The 40+ jobless problem is they can not adapt to the new kids world instead

[CK_John]

of raising their kids to fit into their world.

Now their kids are the driving force behind world commerce. The Cyber-era has flip the movers and shakers role around. We need to give them a respectful way out of the system by reducing the SocSec to age 50yr.

IMO, These shootings of teens are a reaction to these changes and will get only get worse unless society provides a safe escape plan.

[Warren Stupidity]

1. Indeed the world economy is headed into uncharted territory with respect to traditional industrial

revolution era "work". We are at a point where futurists are trying to understand what a "post work" economy looks like, how it operates, what the role of non-working people can be. One path, the path of least resistance, unfortunately, is to treat us as expendable and find ways to expend us.

[MANative]

2. your premise is bullshit

I'm 53 and will stack up my tech skills, adaptability, and savvy against anyone under forty. Many of my age peers are equally adroit. The bottom line is that companies need to pay us more for our experience, and they don't want to do that. BTW, have you tried to read anything written by someone under forty lately? It's largely incomprehensible.

[CK_John]

6. You are very lucky, most over 50 are looking to a McJob future to save their house.

[Locrian]

11. right.....

The same house that their kids are still living in after they graduate college due to the lack of jobs.

[Lisa D]

14. Link?

I do know that *some* people of all ages have difficulty entering the job market due to a variety of reasons/issues and need solutions. But your statement that *most* over 50+ are looking to a McJob future is uninformed.

[CK_John]

17. The issue is jobless(out of work) people.

[FSogol]

24. Most? What ridiculous hyperbole.

[Recursion]

3. This thread will go well

[Armstead]

37. +1 -- your understatement made me laugh

[Fumesucker]

4. But the kids are largely jobless or undermployed too

Your theory does not explain that fact.

[HappyMe]

5. What a load of crap.

[CK_John]

7. Don't quit your day job.

[HappyMe]

9. Okay then.

[MineralMan]

8. Uh, wrong. Unsupported and just plain wrong.

On all counts.

[CK_John]

10. Then what is your solution or reason for the 40+ jobless?

[senseandsensibility]

12. See post 2

It also might be beneficial for you to stop looking at the situation through the employers' eyes only. You seem to assume that employers would never fail to hire over fifty employees for any reason other than that the older person is unqualified in some way. Ridiculous. Employers want employees who are qualified and will work long hours for peanuts. They are more likely to find that in younger people (or so they think), and that could be why they won't even give older workers a chance.

[cap]

22. 22-22-22

A 22 year old who will work 22 hours for 22,000

[Fawke Em]

35. And your post was No. 22!

Did you plan that?

[MineralMan]

15. I have no solution for anything.

I'm just a self-employed 68-year-old writer. I'm not out of work. In fact, I have more work right now than I can do comfortably. Would you like to know why that is? I'll tell you:

I've been writing professionally since 1974. I write well, and I have a long background of experience in a large number of fields. While I used to write for magazines, now I'm writing entire websites for small to medium-sized businesses. They hire me because I have the proven ability to tell their story in a way that attracts customers to their business.

When I started writing for a living, I was just in my thirties. I had a lot to learn. Now that I'm in my late 60s, I've learned a lot of things, and am now in demand as a skilled, seasoned writer who can make money for the businesses whose web sites I write. I have lots of competition, and some of it is from 20-something and 30-something writers. I've completely re-written numerous websites written by those young writers, after they failed to produce the results the businesses were looking for. That's why I have more work offered to me than I can accept.

Experience counts. Experience can be marketed. Experience sells.

Any other questions?

[MineralMan]

20. Why, no, I don't.

In 1974, though, I did. I had a lovely blue IBM Correcting Selectric. It was terrific, for its time, and I learned to write excellent copy the first time because I hated retyping things. That ability has served me very well ever since.

In 1984, I bought an Epson Equity II PC Clone, and never looked back. Not long after that, I started writing articles for several computer magazines, once I had taught myself pretty much everything about the PC.

These days, I write on a much more up-to-date computer.

Thanks for asking.

So, what's your profession? What do you do?

[Hekate]

32. "What's your profession?"--What he does, apparently, is peddle age-divisive BS online

To say the OP is jaw-dropping in its ignorance would be to charitably imagine that the OP is not being intentional in its mean-spirited divisiveness.

BTW, MinMan, I loved the IBM Correcting Selectric too. It had the best and most ergonomic keyboard I have ever used, before or since. I was not a perfect typist, but I was a perfect proofreader, and knew instantly when I made a typo. The results were flawless. That machine enabled me to put food on the table for my kids.

I transitioned to a Mac and have been a Mac user ever since. My first one, a Mac LC I got for home use, saw me through to my Master's degree. It was a wonderful tool.

[cap]

44. What he doesn't know is that the 50 something's were the generation that built the internet, macs,

And PCs. All the current generation programming is built incrementally on the past.

Anyone who could understand TCP and custom protocols (which dates back to the 70s ) understands, html and XML and the newer generation stuff.

[ohheckyeah]

46. I'm over 50 and I'm no computer genius

but when my nieces and nephews have computer questions or problems, guess who they call. I know much more about computers than they do because I made it my business to learn.

[Hekate]

48. Bump the age up a bit, 60-somethings built the programming world

My husband is 67; our friends and relatives are 60-70 y.o. and made their careers as computer engineers and programmers. They were (and are) always learning. You are right about Jobs, Gates, et al, born in 1955 being younger.

[MANative]

25. wow, what an insulting assumption

I bought my first laptop in 1985, an IBM with two floppy drives and no on-board memory. Today, I do most of my writing on a state-of-the-art tablet, use the cloud to share files with clients, and edit a handful of websites. I'd bet that MineralMan works at a similar or higher level. Age doesn't equal obsolescence.

[MineralMan]

40. Funny, isn't it? Why do people ignore the concept that

this whole computer thing happened through the inventiveness of the very boomers that poster is trying to demean. I took FORTRAN classes in 1963 in my Freshman year of college and started working with computers at age 18 that year. Who does that person think created the personal computer, anyhow? We're still using them, but we were using computers before he was born, most likely.

Silliness.

[MANative]

47. Oh, so true!

That first laptop, which cost me in the neighborhood of $2500 back then, required full knowledge of DOS commands and decent programming skills (no programs installed - write your own), not the point and click or tap of today. I've probably owned (and built) more computers than the OP has had pairs of shoes! My nephew, who is twenty-six, was visiting over the holidays, and who do you think was asking whom about using the latest Android apps to make life easier? It wasn't the kid! I know I may not be completely typical of the over-fifty set, being an early adopter of new tech almost as soon as it's introduced (my first e-reader was the Rocket eBook in 1998 - never looked back), but the vast majority of my classmates from both high school and college seem to be using and adapting to new things without issue.

BTW - if you need a skilled and reliable sub-contractor for writing projects that you can't handle for time/availability, I'm open to conversation.

[cap]

41. Stronger age discrimination laws?

Enforce what we got.
Eliminate economic argument against older workers loophole

[cap]

13. You are so right....

The over 50 crowd prefer to lose their jobs, homes, company sponsored health insurance to adapting to a changed environment. They would prefer living in an SRO on their social security and hope that the republicans don't eliminate it.

They prefer not supporting their live at home children, not paying college tuition bills, not having the extra to throw at their aging parents.

Work is soo over rated.

[cap]

21. It used to be the over 60 crowd was like this

Now the 50 something's have caught on.

Given that the current generation of 50 year olds have a life expectancy that extends to their 90s and possible 100s, they want to spend half their lives on the uncertain future of social security or living on the kindness of their children.

These days 100 year olds are not uncommon in nursing homes. It I is expected that the next generations will see more 100 year olds. They are saying that 40 year olds can expect to live to be 120 years old. Next thing you know the 40 something's will want to bug out of work.

In china, a 50 year old is held to be at the prime of his life. Maybe we should outsource our 50 year olds to China. We won't have to worry about the republicans talk on about the solvency of social security.

[cali]

19. babble.

[Shoulders of Giants]

23. I'd rather we not make excuses for people shooting teens.

[CK_John]

26. No excuse but I believe it is a symptom of our new Cyber-era.

[Schema Thing]

30. Well it certainly had ZERO to do with the particular shooting you are no doubt referencing

so stop being fucking silly.

[LanternWaste]

31. Post hoc ergo prompter hoc.

Post hoc ergo prompter hoc.

[liberal N proud]

27. Assumptions such as these are the problem!

Sounds like you want to discriminate based on age

[2naSalit]

29. ^^THIS^^

[Bennyboy]

28. I'm over 50 and unemployable..

I cost more simply put. more in healthcare, more in insurance, more. Not to mention I have this and that and can't do a lot of things. My age group is most likely to file for Disablity and Workers Comp as well.

I wouldn't hire me.

it is not discrimination if they have data to show that it would go against the rules of corporations to hire you. (maximizing profits)

[cap]

42. If you were a twenty something with the same conditions the same arguments would hold true.

Eom

[Throd]

33. You have flogged this dead horse into a smooth puree. Yet still, nobody sees the merit.

Hell, why not lower SS eligibility to 40?

[on point]

34. Total BS. It is about companies not wanting to pay higher salaries

And higher medical benefits - another reason for single payer

The young May be rightly proud of their innovations, but a lot is low quality slap dash work with no real lasting value and without paying for the commons (roads, schools, bridges etc) lends a false sense of wealth which is really just living off the principle society has built over time, a parasite existence

[El_Johns]

36. I think there is a contingent who tries to stir up animosity between generations in lieu of creating

a decent society.

Young people are not en masse "movers and shakers" just deluded pawns like their parents were.

[Armstead]

38. Your premise is bullshit....But being 60, if you want to give out SS early, I'll take it

[reformist2]

39. I agree, the premise is BS. It's age discrimination, combined with an overall scarcity of jobs.

[cap]

43. Why are we playing the generations off against each other.

50 something's want their kids to work. 20 something's don't want to support their parents.
No one in previous times ever asked 50 something's to stop working en masse. No society can afford paying so many people for 30-40-50 decades

[Blue_Tires]

45. uh...no...

[alcibiades_mystery]

49. Performance Art