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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhen men pose as sexy motorcycle models, you see how silly the poses are
that the SI models and other models are put into. We're just so accustomed to seeing female models posed that way, our eyes glaze over.
http://www.pleated-jeans.com/2013/11/12/ordinary-men-posing-as-sexy-motorcycle-models-20-pics/
And then there are these poses, the last one being the closest to the SW pose (though all the men are way too clothed.)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/clickandclash/sets/72157626584908000/with/5658642294/
But not one of these photos shows three men clumping together. You'd need that for the full effect.
loli phabay
(5,580 posts)enhance certain physical features, and depending on what the effect wanted and what you are selling.
giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)and kinda sad all at the same time.
Vashta Nerada
(3,922 posts)Schema Thing
(10,283 posts)and probably even instructive to a point...
they are in no way analogous to the SI images. For that, you'd need something like this:
flamingdem
(39,313 posts)but thanks for the laugh with those funny comparisons!
Vashta Nerada
(3,922 posts)Okay. That doesn't look as silly.
Damn.
Who is that?
loli phabay
(5,580 posts)pnwmom
(108,973 posts)as the women on the SI cover. Other than the fact that women in our society rarely are allowed to go topless . . .
Schema Thing
(10,283 posts)and "stance" is a physically real difference.
How long have you been human? Surely you knew this?
pnwmom
(108,973 posts)Many of them are quite contorted, as a matter of fact.
How long have you been human? Surely you knew this?
loli phabay
(5,580 posts)a good example is az post of the guy on something i think she said was a bike, by being in a somewhat uncomfortable pose his muscle definition changes and shows us a different perspective. its like wearing heels changes the way ones legs look or sucking in ones stomach and arching the back changes the whole feel and look of a picture.
pnwmom
(108,973 posts)as if he was taking a short pause from riding his bike. A woman in this pose, assuming she had some clothing on, wouldn't look silly:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024515727#post5
loli phabay
(5,580 posts)i know frinstance which poses enhance what parts of my body and which dont. the whole point of these pictures is to enhance the model and thus make them look more attractive whether they are selling bikes, soap or just an image.
pnwmom
(108,973 posts)the model's secondary sexual features.
loli phabay
(5,580 posts)Thats why we accentuate certain features when we have pics taken, to enhance our bodies and make them look better.
Schema Thing
(10,283 posts)As a photographer I find that natural is often, but not always, best. And that's just shooting "real people" in corporate portrait situations as opposed to shooting sexually alluring models in sexually alluring environments and/or poses.
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)Photography is a 2d depiction of a 3d world. It's a visual recording of something that always happened in the past. Perspective is almost always compressed or expanded. Lighting is enhanced more often than not. Color, contrast, and brightness are almost always altered. With virtually all subjects I don't even try to show things naturally. I'm creating an image in the attempt to convey a message much in the same way a painter does. I'm trying to draw the eye to certain things while minimizing others. Those who think photography is about recording nature don't understand photography. There's a lot of skill and artistic expression that goes into even the swimsuit edition. If it were only about ogling women nobody would be paying newsstand prices for something they can get for free on the internet far more graphically.
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)If you look at that picture again, the first girl clearly has the string from her bra tied around her neck.
Is that what everyone is so enraged about? They think the women are topless?
LadyHawkAZ
(6,199 posts)my personal favorite.
loli phabay
(5,580 posts)LadyHawkAZ
(6,199 posts)She insists there's a motorcycle in the picture, and that I will like the bike as soon as I find it.
Photo has been my desktop background for over a year.
loli phabay
(5,580 posts)Schema Thing
(10,283 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)LadyHawkAZ
(6,199 posts)He's a Brazilian model named Rafael Lazzini.
TygrBright
(20,756 posts)The BIKE, dammit!!
The BIKE! Really!!
Although if it came with that accessory, I'd probably find a use for it...
Swapping out lightbulbs on a ladder comes to mind. Carrying rubbish out from the garage to a rental dumpster.
Turning soil in the veg beds.
amusedly,
Bright
LadyHawkAZ
(6,199 posts)I still haven't found the bike.
Seriously, though, I ride an 1100 but with that accessory package, I could learn to love a 500. I can even plant a veg bed or two.
loli phabay
(5,580 posts)lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)Who knew it was so easy!
But I guess I'd have to get a two-headed-sword-wielding-naked-lady tattoo also.
Exultant Democracy
(6,594 posts)marions ghost
(19,841 posts)pnwmom
msongs
(67,394 posts)men should be wearing men's style clothing. the comparison is not about the poses at all.
pnwmom
(108,973 posts)about the poses.
Though, to be a really fair comparison, they should have the men wearing thongs -- and three of them should be clumped, shoulder to shoulder.
spooky3
(34,430 posts)MadrasT
(7,237 posts)Or the rule that they aren't allowed to wear clothes thought of as "for women"?
Many clothes thought of as being "for women" are absolutely ridiculous, impractical and uncomfortable... and don't even get me started on "women's" shoes.
I think putting the men in traditional "women's" clothing helps even more to underscore the ridiculousness of it all.
pnwmom
(108,973 posts)davidn3600
(6,342 posts)Femininity is considered weak and inferior to masculinity in the modern world, as as is anything that is connected to it. So if a man were to wear something traditionally female, he could be thought of as being weak. Even colors are gendered.
When I was in high school, I took band for a few years. And our school's marching band was based on a Scottish theme. And the uniform including wearing a kilt. There wasn't any issue with our school, but when we would travel to away football games, you always get some stupid kid that will say, "how does it feel to wear a skirt?" in a condescending manner. Nevermind the fact that kid is stupid to not know that Scottish men would wear kilts...but there is the mental link to a skirt which is considered traditionally female. So I was apparently less of a man for wearing it.
It's not right, but that's how our society works. And I really don't see that changing any time on the horizon. Even the colors are gendered. Most men wouldnt be caught dead wearing a pink t-shirt. Even when the NFL does their breast cancer awareness theme and the players wear pink, you got a lot of people who say, "they look stupid wearing pink." Not because the colors don't go well, but it's said because of the stereotype that pink is for girls.
rug
(82,333 posts)pacalo
(24,721 posts)temporary311
(955 posts)It takes ridiculous female comic book character costumes and poses, and puts Hawkeye in their place :
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KitSileya
(4,035 posts)Yes, this discussion is very much a done deal - the Hawkeye Initiative showed really clearly that these poses used in SI and elsewhere are nothing but titillation, and just contribute to misogyny and inequality. Women are things to look at, not agents who do stuff. It's great that so many women and men are really starting to fight back, especially with mockery - "Men are afraid that women will laugh at them. Women are afraid that men will kill them" as Margaret Atwood said.
Orrex
(63,199 posts)A lot of it omits the Black Widow entirely, but the pictures that include her generally show her with her butt toward the camera and her torso turned slightly to show off her bust, while the male characters are in various action poses (Iron Man blasting with his repulsors, Thor brandishing his hammer, the Hulk hulking, etc.)
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)issue whose cover was three men gratuitously displaying their ass cheeks?
pnwmom
(108,973 posts)that will never happen!
opiate69
(10,129 posts)On the walls of our local gay-oriented fetish store. Which is to say, not silly to anyone who's evolved beyond heteronormativity.
pnwmom
(108,973 posts)If they tried that on the cover of SI there would be an enormous heteronormative uproar.
opiate69
(10,129 posts)"The covers of national mass media publications". Perhaps you would do well to leave the goal posts precisely where you, yourself, originally put them.
loli phabay
(5,580 posts)The body types are wrong for the poses, rather than enhance them it makes the guys look worse.
pnwmom
(108,973 posts)That is my point. Only the photos of women posed like that would make it to a mainstream cover, not photos of men.
Puzzledtraveller
(5,937 posts)If I posed like that people would lose their lunch, myself included.
TransitJohn
(6,932 posts)...
TheMathieu
(456 posts)This upsets me. I shall start a movement.
Tuesday Afternoon
(56,912 posts)just asking.
Desert805
(392 posts)But I do hear a lot of that in these arguments. Especially the old favorite, "is this girl too thin?" <insert random female JPEG>
gulliver
(13,180 posts)...is kind of silly. I just don't get what's so great about a long-haired blonde guy with roughly groomed facial hair who is tough but who can still cry. Am I missing something?
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)Like these brave chaps:
pnwmom
(108,973 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)My point is that men, even in beefcake, aren't generally posed so ridiculously. They're posed like those firefighters.
davidn3600
(6,342 posts)Men in "sexy" poses are supposed to look strong, brave, confident, and looking ahead. Think of Vladimir Putin half-naked on a horse or holding a rifle. That's the sexy pose for men.
Women in "sexy" poses are supposed to be sensual, graceful, seductive, soft, and inviting.
It's an indication of social gender roles.
hfojvt
(37,573 posts)I didn't think the poses looked as ridiculous as the men's bodies did. Except for one guy - he had decent legs.
Although with the one shown above in the thread - even the woman didn't look good in THAT pose.
loli phabay
(5,580 posts)Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)display of your lack of understanding that not all humans are you. This is homophobic bullshit.
pnwmom
(108,973 posts)There is nothing homophobic about the OP.
"your lack of understanding that not all humans are you." LOL. Talk about projection.
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treestar
(82,383 posts)If men were posing, they would look serious. The women look silly. It might be interesting to see a serious motorcycle riding woman's pose - if it had to do with riding the cycle instead of just to make her look "sexy."
KitSileya
(4,035 posts)Which really hammered home the reality that the poses of female superheroes weren't "empowering" like the misogynist comic artists claim, by drawing Hawkeye of the Avengers in the self-same "empowering" poses. The twisting torso so that you can see both breast and butt which the SI cover models try to emulate necessitates a breaking of the spine and/or detachment of the ribcage - it cannot be achieved fully in nature.
Kevin Bolk drew a counter to the Avengers film poster when he noticed that only the Black Widow (Scarlett Johannson) had to pose with her back to the camera, twisting her head. He links to the original art, and her pose should be very familiar to the SI defenders. In Bolk's parody poster, only Black Widow faces the camera directly -
http://kevinbolk.deviantart.com/art/Avengers-Booty-Ass-emble-270937785
I post the link to his deviantart site, as I don't want to hotlink or upload his art without his permission. It is really an incisive rebuttal to the entire SI thread, really.
Sheldon Cooper
(3,724 posts)pnwmom
(108,973 posts)lob1
(3,820 posts)Forget the poses, the men look ridiculous because they're wearing women's clothes.
loli phabay
(5,580 posts)Evident by shoes not even fitting.
hunter
(38,309 posts)My brother builds motorcycles. My brother played an occasional "biker dude" on television because he was one. The acting jobs were a sideline.
As responsible parents my wife and I left motorcycles and other more dangerous recreations behind.
Dangerous to me anyways, since my wife tends to be extremely competent at whatever she pursues. But I can injure myself playing with a Frisbee.
My wife surfs, I have a surfer brother but I am banned from the surf beaches as a danger to myself and others.
Many of the women in my family and a few rarer men are extremely competent with horses. But horses take one look at me and say, "No. Not him."
Maybe my wife and I will be totally cool grandparents, I don't know yet.
But I have a funny story.
When our kids were young we stopped at the viewpoint overlooking Shasta Dam, in Northern California.
We were in our minivan.
Parked beside us were two couples and two big dirty Harleys, tattoos and leather all around, nobody shaved nowhere.
The two women were talking about motorcycles.
The two men were talking about... cooking.
No high heels. No makeup. No pretense.
That was hot.
I think I was a fortunate kid growing up with parents who were basically eccentric artists with day jobs. My dad's dad was an eccentric rocket scientist, my mom's parents OMG, don't go there, not "normal," and in some very painful ways.
It's brought me a lot of grief that I did not understand social conformity, especially as a diagnosed "Asperger's" kid, but nevertheless I am free.
The SI swimsuit issues, Maxim magazine, and much of the "mass media" do not attract me. No cable television, no satellite television, no popular "media" at all, I largely live in a world that is as I choose it, feeling no peer pressure.
Orrex
(63,199 posts)In_The_Wind
(72,300 posts)The two women were talking about motorcycles.
The two men were talking about... cooking.
No high heels. No makeup. No pretense.
That was hot.
As a biker, I gotta agree ... That was hot.
Thanks for sharing your memories.
pnwmom
(108,973 posts)DeSwiss
(27,137 posts)...but spandex!?!?! On those hard corners?? Ewww.
- K&R
cthulu2016
(10,960 posts)Are you claiming that would not look silly?
noamnety
(20,234 posts)let me just place this here:
I think he's able to be over the top with this routine because he is male.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)eShirl
(18,490 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)and yet, I still think the sports illustrated cover looks good.
pnwmom
(108,973 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)It is certainly one of a myriad set of possible things that might happen, in this or some other Universe.
Android3.14
(5,402 posts)It's insecurity on the part of some women and men. It's bizarre watching the same yahoos stirring up the shit. I'd bet money that at least 25% of the OPs on issues like pictures of pretty girls, online pornography and the "rape culture" are nothing but lonely men and women so bored with their lives that the only thing that has any meaning for them is poking a stick into an online forum.
Seriously, do any of the OPs on these kinds of topics believe they are having an impact on the actual issue they claim is so important to them? Do they organize boycotts against SI advertisers? Do they throw soggy feminine hygiene products at the models for displaying their nubbly bits? Do they volunteer at women's shelters, organize groups to strong-arm sexual predators into behaving or leaving the neighborhood? Do they do anything at all that actually promotes the cause for which they are expressing outrage?
Nope. They write indignant little missives on a progressive forum to piss off people who have nothing at all to do with their displeasure.
pnwmom
(108,973 posts)I think you might be projecting a bit.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)workers liars, maybe you're projecting.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024333091#post183
laundry_queen
(8,646 posts)that's nasty.
A close relative of mine is a cop who works in the domestic violence unit (she basically coordinates with social workers and routinely checks up on past calls) told me that I wouldn't believe how horrible some of that stuff is. For someone to call someone like her a liar, is no progressive and shouldn't be here on DU, imnsho.
Android3.14
(5,402 posts)I apologized for that bit, and it has nothing to do with this discussion, except as a juvenile ad hominem.
Unless, of course, you are arguing that me calling someone a liar by mistake means that the people stirring the same crap on these sorts of divisive topics are actually doing something substantive about the awful scourge of pictures of pretty girls, rape culture and pornography?
No?
Well then, we should know better than to attempt to stifle a voice using shame.
seaglass
(8,171 posts)above? Dismissed.
Android3.14
(5,402 posts)If you want to avoid discussing the OP, just say so. If you think my opinion (which actually doesn't contain anything related to credibility, it being opinion and all...) is incorrect, try something other than "you are wrong because you are a poopy head".
seaglass
(8,171 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)as if your incredibly misogynistic "soggy feminine hygiene products" comment wasn't enough, we have you sneering at women to help domestic violence victims, when your own posting history indicates you have a hateful and hostile attitude towards people here who do such things.
Android3.14
(5,402 posts)My earlier behavior is irrelevant, and I've paid my lumps for my mistake (public apology and embarrassment). In this thread, I questioned whether the OPs who keep drumming up conflict on DU in regards to specific types of gender issues actually do anything about those issues besides stir up BS with a group that already supports the primary goals of feminism and choice. People will infer whatever their current mental state aids them to infer about me as a person, but that doesn't matter, because your opinion of me is not only based on limited data and is incorrect (I am a proud supporter of women's rights and have been a feminist for at least three decades), but it is also irrelevant.
I see three possibilities. Either some OPs are needlessly posting provocative gender BS for nothing more than the thrill of stirring up crap; or wailing about girly pictures, rape culture and pornography on DU is helping to control those issues; or they do it for some other purpose.
It is obvious that the second possibility is untrue. Posting this to DU impacts the issue like somebody walking into a natural food store and hollering at fellow shoppers because they might also eat at McDonald's. It just annoys people. That leaves the other two possibilities.
Take this OP for example. What purpose does it serve on this site? Does it punish those who make glamour pictures of women? No. Does it make men who enjoy pictures of sexy women stop enjoying those images? No.
It only generates unnecessary conflict, for which your current personal attacks are a good example.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Android3.14
(5,402 posts)Enjoy the smell.
MADem
(135,425 posts)You could put those bozos in speedos and pose them similarly -- without the shoes, of course -- and I'll bet plenty of people wouldn't call it silly, particularly if they used models who had a similar "attractiveness quotient" to the female models.
For whatever reason, when women wear men's clothing, it's "empowering," and when men wear women's clothing, it's "silly."
That is the bottom line here--the men in those pictures are DRESSED like WOMEN. That's what causes the "tee hees" and cries of "silliness." It isn't the poses in and of themselves, it's the high heeled shoes pitching them forward and the super-tight clothing that is not typically seen on males.
After all....
Tee hee...silly, and all that...
Of course, this whole "clothing" topic is one that is fraught with drama and angry debate. If anyone suggests that the clothing makes an individual look "silly" or "weak" depending on the sex of the wearer then on comes the "Don't tell me what to wear" brigade followed by the "Only prudes/sexists/misogynists think that less clothing equals less credibility" and "Next thing ya know they'll be demanding that women wear hijab/chador/burkha, etc" or other arguments along those lines.
That said, there is blatant "inequality" in the way clothing and physical appearance are covered in the news. When Tom Brady got hairplugs, there was only a slight tittering in the gossip magazines, when Hillary Clinton showed an eighth of an inch of "cleavage" on the Senate Floor, it was "Stop The Mainstream Presses!!!!!" And fuggedabout it any time a famous woman changes her hair--then it's days/weeks of coverage!
I simply can't help but notice that when one looks at these red carpet shows, the Emmys, the Oscars, etc., the men are all wearing these dark tuxedos that cover them from neck to ankle and wrist, and the women are naked from the bosoms up, almost exclusively, and plenty of them are wearing not much more than what a whiskey barrel would cover, or they have a long dress that is "slit up to there" as granny might say. Men at these events typically show almost no skin, while women compete to show as much as possible-- and they are, most of them teetering on shoes that make them six inches or more taller, but they couldn't run in on a bet.
When the day comes that men wear revealing clothing as a matter of routine, it will be interesting to hear the "My eyes are UP HERE!!!!" exhortations coming from them if they're gawked at. I don't know if that will happen in my lifetime, though, but I wouldn't be surprised if the day eventually comes...!
I suppose the best way to test this "silliness" theory is to put both the men and women models in some sort of unisex costume--say, a basketball uniform or something like that, and then pose them in the same way, and test for "silliness." I'll bet there'd be less silliness votes on the men's side than some expected.
pnwmom
(108,973 posts)the same outfits, and they're not particularly female -- for example, a leather jacket. But it's the bare legs -- and the poses -- that look "normal" on the woman and "silly" on the man.
Granted, the high heels are feminine.
MADem
(135,425 posts)red high heels, Beyonce "single ladies" leotards, "pedal pushers" or leggings that look painted on. Those clothes ARE regarded as female by most members of society. Anyone riding a motorcycle, male or female, would do well to wear a leather jacket and even leather trousers--the jacket is all about the bike, not "maleness."
Even the sleeveless shirt look and cut off tee are only attempted by a select few fellows, for example, the "gym rats," the "metrosexuals," the "I want to be regarded as a sex object" gentlemen, or the Larry the Cable Guy "Git 'er Done" crowd (and their sleeveless shirts are usually cut off and a bit soiled, if not outright filthy).
So I cannot agree--the clothing, to my eye, IS what most would regard as female.
The other issue which was not really addressed in my other post is this--the women who are posing are quite beautiful in both face and form (in terms of what is considered appealing in this day and age). On a good day, those poor men, particularly the one in the "crop top"--pasty, flabby and unwaxed (which is no longer a "male norm" particularly with the younger kids, many of whom obsess over their "six packs" in an effort to win a girlfriend) would be lucky to score a five or six in the "hotness" sweepstakes, assuming the judges left their glasses at home.
pnwmom
(108,973 posts)get in the way.
The men in my family wear leggings like that when they ride mountain bikes, so it didn't look odd to me. Skin tight clothing isn't necessarily feminine.
Even if the men in the motorcycle photos were handsome men, they would still look ridiculous in the contorted poses the women are put in.
MADem
(135,425 posts)Go out on to any city street on a spring or summer day, and you'll see dozens and dozens of women dressed in tight pants, sleeveless shirts, leggings and pedal pushers. Women can wear this costume--including the red high heels-- in a variety of settings--the workplace, restaurants, on the street, out shopping, and no one will look twice at them if they are "average" looking people.
You won't see men dressed that way, save the odd bike messenger or the fellow on his way to his gym at lunch hour. Anyone who is dressed this way outside a few very limited venues will get a second glance--and not necessarily because they are attractive. And if they had the red high heels on, they'd be in "point and laugh" territory.
The men look stupid not because of their poses, but because of their clothing. AND because they just aren't "pretty enough" -- like that naked fellow draped on the motorcycle (hardly a "standard" pose) elsewhere in this thread -- to carry off the pose.
A fast google turned up these guys posing in their drawers, etc.
This is a rather "lounge-y" pose, shot from above--a bit contorted, yes?
And he's sticking out his chest like he's rather proud of his assets, this fellow is!
Another fellow draped across the machinery...
Apparently, "hot men riding bikes" is a popular subject: http://theberry.com/2012/02/01/berry-hot-men-ridin-bikes-25-photos/
Average looking schlubs wearing women's clothes imitating hot supermodels look like idiots. I'll wager if you took a few middle aged women, dressed them like the fellows in the pictures above, and posed them in the same fashion, they'd look stupid as hell, too.
I'm sorry. I don't think this thesis floats. I understand the whole "objectification" issue, but you're comparing women who most would regard as "hot" to men who most would regard as "not hot." In fact, they are sadly ordinary, hairy, flabby, and not "beautiful" like the women they are imitating are. That's their first disadvantage. Their second disadvantage is that they're wearing women's clothing--the high heels alone look, well...STUPID. Our culture does not look at men in high heels (save perhaps G W Bush in his super-secret elevator shoes) as "normal." That went out with the French Revolution.....
http://www.headoverheelshistory.com/1600.html
A valiant effort, but a poor execution on the part of the people trying to make the point. They should have used "beautiful" male models, and put the men and women in a unisex costume to test the thesis. They were so eager to make a point that they ended up comparing an apple to not even an orange, but an orangutan...!
pnwmom
(108,973 posts)bike shorts and/or leggings isn't an unusual sight here.
Obviously, your experience differs.
MADem
(135,425 posts)(and a huge helmet) but that's not the norm. That isn't regarded as "clothing," it's more like a uniform--it identifies the fellow as a bike messenger, most frequently, or a fitness buff, or a commuter, if they're puffing away in the bike lane. Women on bikes wear the very same costume; it's not something that's "just for men."
Most men on the street are wearing clothing that covers them from their neck to their ankles, and shoes, and socks. Some wear short sleeves, some do not. But women? They are, even in foul weather, exposing far much more skin--even if it is just their legs--than men do.
In the summer, of course, more of the clothes come off--the men will wear shorts, and the ones that think they're all that and a bag of potato ships might strut about with their shirts off, and the women will wear more revealing clothing as well.
By any objective measure, though, women's clothing exposes more skin to the elements than the clothing of males, day to day.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)I suspect that what some women don't get is there are more than just a few men who think they would like to be a sex object, have women hitting on them all the time with all the rest that implies.
The grass, it is always greener on the other side of the fence but then if and when you manage to get over the fence to the other side you realize it's just grass.
Our culture is screwed up in so many ways, being a man in this culture is easy for some men and horribly difficult for others, just like being a woman in our culture is easy for some women and horribly difficult for others. Personally I think being well adjusted to American culture means you aren't quite right in the head.
joshcryer
(62,269 posts)Guys with muscles getting sexually harassed by women wanting to "feel their abs" or "squeeze their biceps."
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)pacalo
(24,721 posts)Your OP created an interesting, civil discussion.
I agree with MADem about why the poses are funny, but there are also men who might find them attractive rather than funny.
Blue_Adept
(6,397 posts)And you know what? We all "pose" differently based on a lot of different factors. We're not built the same way or move the same way.
Of course, you can have men pose sexy... for a shower ad.
pnwmom
(108,973 posts)Smarmie Doofus
(14,498 posts)a lot of the images are pretty reminiscent of a certain (popular) variety of gay male soft-porn advertising.
Not to complicate matters.... but maybe there's more going on here than we realize.
pnwmom
(108,973 posts)that they would be deliberately campy? That is, intentionally silly?
Orrex
(63,199 posts)The fault could just as easily lie with those who find the men silly for posing in that way.
Why is it ok for women to appear in sexy poses, but it's silly when men do it?