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Let us be clear about our choice. (Original Post) Scuba Feb 2014 OP
I like this. bvar22 Feb 2014 #1
k&r HappyMe Feb 2014 #2
That's how we need to frame the debate about the social safety net and healthcare. Oakenshield Feb 2014 #3
You are presuming the opponents give a shit. They don't. They will burn this place down around jtuck004 Feb 2014 #6
Yeah - it's not like the current suffering has had any effect on them. tecelote Feb 2014 #7
The 1% are not the intended recipients of this message. Jackpine Radical Feb 2014 #9
I know, and I wasn't presuming that. Malcom X pointed out that the House Negro jtuck004 Feb 2014 #10
Here's a song for the intended recipients, sing it loud. WHEN CRABS ROAR Feb 2014 #12
Great song. Shows the conditions, offers no hope. That's the future unless we change. Ty. n/t jtuck004 Feb 2014 #23
jtuck004, right you are saidsimplesimon Feb 2014 #22
See, the thing is, the 0.1% would be quite happy if all the "useless eaters" just died off. Electric Monk Feb 2014 #4
The 1% dont wish us to die, they just dont care when we do. nm rhett o rick Feb 2014 #14
Let Us Be Very, Very, Very Clear...nt bkanderson76 Feb 2014 #5
This is a talking point. Our Dem reps need to repeat this very time their on the TeaVee. grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #8
Except that they don't consider it important Doctor_J Feb 2014 #26
Agreed. However their job is to represent us, not sell us chained CPI. grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #34
How I responded to a friend today complaining about the poor. WHEN CRABS ROAR Feb 2014 #11
HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Feb 2014 #13
We should not support any Democrat that doesnt recognize this and supports rhett o rick Feb 2014 #15
Hush your mouth -- You speak heresy Armstead Feb 2014 #27
And you are sure none of the money that goes to Democratic candidates comes from the Kochs? nm rhett o rick Feb 2014 #28
I'm assuming you picked up on the irony in my post Armstead Feb 2014 #29
Yes I did but was going along for the ride. The wealthy class play the right and middle against the rhett o rick Feb 2014 #31
Dead arrmadillos and all that... Armstead Feb 2014 #32
Nails it! burrowowl Feb 2014 #16
K&R Solly Mack Feb 2014 #17
K&R n.t myrna minx Feb 2014 #18
K&R woo me with science Feb 2014 #19
they also still an buy another mansion, rolls royce, yacht, ect ect ect. pansypoo53219 Feb 2014 #20
Begs the question: why does Obama want Chained-CPI, and how bout Hillary ? grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #21
Which..... DeSwiss Feb 2014 #24
Too bad we don't have a major political party who believes this is important Doctor_J Feb 2014 #25
But,but,but...the old and the sick and the poor are not job creators Armstead Feb 2014 #30
K&R!!! nt adirondacker Feb 2014 #33
 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
6. You are presuming the opponents give a shit. They don't. They will burn this place down around
Mon Feb 17, 2014, 06:24 PM
Feb 2014

our ears, and judging by our reducing food stamps on already hungry people last week, I'm not sure where to tell you the opponents are.

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
9. The 1% are not the intended recipients of this message.
Mon Feb 17, 2014, 07:44 PM
Feb 2014

It's more aimed at the large number of people who not heartless monsters, but just don't get it about the reality of the American oligarchy.

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
10. I know, and I wasn't presuming that. Malcom X pointed out that the House Negro
Mon Feb 17, 2014, 07:56 PM
Feb 2014

is the biggest drawback to freedom for everyone, and no one ever saw them as heartless monsters at all. Like most of our population now exists in servitude, they were in slavery as much as any field hand, far from the 1%, and as such perhaps even more dangerous. Without them, such conditions would never have been possible.

Like most people, they care nothing about anything but self-interest. This message framing would be wasted air to them.

Until we can show that there is a self-interest in keeping everyone fed and healthy, and that we will use the power of the government to make their lives better, not just print food stamps, it won't mean a thing.

saidsimplesimon

(7,888 posts)
22. jtuck004, right you are
Tue Feb 18, 2014, 01:59 PM
Feb 2014

Those who wish to control our destiny care only for wealth and power. It's well documented.

Look at the scorched earth revenge in Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, and Libya. We can not expect citizens of these wonderful, historic civilizations to replace heritage with western culture, they have their own.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
26. Except that they don't consider it important
Tue Feb 18, 2014, 03:37 PM
Feb 2014

Candidate Obama went there in a mild way in 2008, then went full corporate the day after the election. Hope is meager.

WHEN CRABS ROAR

(3,813 posts)
11. How I responded to a friend today complaining about the poor.
Mon Feb 17, 2014, 09:04 PM
Feb 2014

Why all the up tightness against the poor?
We, meaning the taxpayers, pay far more for corporate welfare than we do to the poor, look it up. The poor don’t have lobbies with millions to represent their interests.
Yeah, Yeah, I know they’re poor because they’re all lazy and don’t work hard enough, or even worse, welfare cheats, some of the biggest ones caught, that stole millions of dollars each, were doctors.
Oh, about those cell phones they were given that cost about $10 a month, just like my plan, it enables them to be in contact with possible employers’ and others when they don’t even have a permanent address, yeah, we would not want that now would we?
And now that food prices have more than doubled and wages haven’t, we would not want to help them out, would we? Lets pay billions to ConAgra and others in taxpayer subsidies, instead.
They can’t get unemployment without paying in to it, but that’s just a small point, because most of the jobs they had were shipped overseas.
As far as medical costs, don’t treat them, let them die because it will be cheaper and that way we will have more taxpayer revenues to give to the MIC, for the next unjust invasion of some to be determined country.
I know all this because someone on Fox News told me so.
What do you really think the results would look like?

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
15. We should not support any Democrat that doesnt recognize this and supports
Tue Feb 18, 2014, 12:06 AM
Feb 2014

reversing the wealth distribution from the lower classes to the wealthy. And to those that think that would include H. Clinton-Sachs, please explain how you think she will forsake her corporate sponsors and work for the people.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
27. Hush your mouth -- You speak heresy
Tue Feb 18, 2014, 03:42 PM
Feb 2014

Goldman Sachs are good 1 percent. All those Wall Street Corporate types who give big bucks to the Democratic Party and then tell politicians what to do are the good 1 percenters.

They're very much different from the bad ones like the Kochs, who support the GOP.

Why? well,er, ummmmmmmmm.....

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
29. I'm assuming you picked up on the irony in my post
Tue Feb 18, 2014, 03:50 PM
Feb 2014

but in any case, I think most all of them play both sides against the middle.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
31. Yes I did but was going along for the ride. The wealthy class play the right and middle against the
Tue Feb 18, 2014, 03:53 PM
Feb 2014

left. Seems the middle are easily manipulated.

pansypoo53219

(20,955 posts)
20. they also still an buy another mansion, rolls royce, yacht, ect ect ect.
Tue Feb 18, 2014, 01:49 PM
Feb 2014

INVEST. all the shit the rich always do.

 

grahamhgreen

(15,741 posts)
21. Begs the question: why does Obama want Chained-CPI, and how bout Hillary ?
Tue Feb 18, 2014, 01:59 PM
Feb 2014

Last edited Tue Feb 18, 2014, 02:33 PM - Edit history (1)

 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
24. Which.....
Tue Feb 18, 2014, 03:33 PM
Feb 2014

...is exactly why I call this scum for the MURDERERS that they are.

- Every time. No matter who is doing the cutting -- no matter the excuse or the reason. It's all BULLSHIT because in the end -- they're killing people.

I have no use for such beings. None.

K&R

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
25. Too bad we don't have a major political party who believes this is important
Tue Feb 18, 2014, 03:33 PM
Feb 2014

"Insurance companies deserve to make a profit". "I would be open to considering the so-called chained CPI". "Some in my party have become too attached to entitlements".

When those are the opinions of the the leader of the country's more liberal party, we're well and truly screwn.

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