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cali

(114,904 posts)
Mon Feb 17, 2014, 05:08 PM Feb 2014

Meet the vile Pastor Scott Lively, instrumental in the new anti-gay Uganda law

Scott Lively is a pastor in Springfield Mass.

Here's a bit from Wiki:

Scott Douglas Lively (born December 14, 1957), an American author, attorney, and activist. He is noted for his opposition to LGBT rights and his involvement in the ex-gay movement. He is the president of Abiding Truth Ministries, a conservative Christian organization located in Temecula, California,[1] and the former state director of the California branch of the American Family Association. Lively has called for the criminalization of "the public advocacy of homosexuality" as far back as 2007,[2][3] and is allegedly involved in pending anti-gay legislation in Uganda.[4]

Lively formed Watchmen on the Walls, an evangelical ministry, in Riga, Latvia.[5]

According to a January 2011 profile, Lively "has not changed his view that gays are 'agents of America's moral decline', but has refocused his approach to fit his flock in Springfield, Massachusetts" and "is toning down his antigay rhetoric and shifting his focus to helping the downtrodden".[6]

On August 14, 2013, a federal judge ruled that the case against Scott Lively, by the Center for Constitutional Rights (CCR) on behalf of Sexual Minorities Uganda (SMUG), a Uganda-based coalition of LGBTI rights and advocacy groups, can move forward against him. This is a first-of-its kind case in which the lawsuit alleges that Lively's actions over the past decade, in collaboration with some Ugandan government officials and Ugandan religious leaders, are responsible for depriving LGBTI Ugandans of their fundamental human rights based solely on their identity, which the lawsuits alleges falls under the definition of persecution under international law and is a crime against humanity. This effort resulted in the introduction of the Anti-Homosexuality Bill which Lively allegedly helped engineer.[7]

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Along with Kevin E. Abrams, Lively co-authored the book The Pink Swastika, which states in the preface that "homosexuals [are] the true inventors of Nazism and the guiding force behind many Nazi atrocities".[8]

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In March 2009, Lively, along with evangelical activists Don Schmierer and Caleb Lee Brundidge, arrived in Kampala to give a series of talks. "The theme of the event, according to Stephen Langa, its Ugandan organizer, was 'the gay agenda — that whole hidden and dark agenda' — and the threat homosexuals posed to Bible-based values and the traditional African family".[4]

"[T]housands of Ugandans, including police officers, teachers and national politicians", reportedly attended the conference.[4] Lively and his colleagues "discussed how to make gay people straight, how gay men often sodomized teenage boys and how 'the gay movement is an evil institution' whose goal is 'to defeat the marriage-based society and replace it with a culture of sexual promiscuity'".[4] Lively wrote days later that "someone had likened their campaign to 'a nuclear bomb against the gay agenda in Uganda'".[4]

The talks inspired the development of a private member's Anti-Homosexuality Bill in the Ugandan parliament.[19] The bill, submitted in November 2009, called for the death penalty in some cases, and received international opprobrium.[19][20][21]

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Lively

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RKP5637

(67,104 posts)
3. An international court should charge him with crimes against humanity and give
Mon Feb 17, 2014, 05:17 PM
Feb 2014

him like punishment. Enough with the bullshit! Guys like him are straight out of the depths of hell and should be treated as such!

When I was in church many years ago, for example, I was taught the devil takes many forms, to me, he is a fine example of that. I'm not religious, but he is a fine example.

This guy is not about religion, he is about getting his jollies off with hatred and persecution, and we've seen many examples of that in history and where it leads!



Initech

(100,063 posts)
6. I would love to see that.
Mon Feb 17, 2014, 05:51 PM
Feb 2014

Guys like Scott Lively - they're assholes. That's all. Pure, vile, disgusting assholes. They couldn't give less of a shit about the things that Jesus actually taught his disciples. They only understand one thing - greed and their only God is the almighty dollar. This thing in Uganda, it's all about greed, nothing more. The only way to take someone down like that is an ass kicking in the courts.

A HERETIC I AM

(24,365 posts)
8. Fortunately for the Devil.....
Mon Feb 17, 2014, 06:21 PM
Feb 2014

and as far as I am aware, there is no indication in the bible that he would be anything but accepting of homosexuality.

RKP5637

(67,104 posts)
9. Yep, guys like this fabricate stuff so they get a license to discriminate, persecute and kill. A
Mon Feb 17, 2014, 06:30 PM
Feb 2014

competent psychological profile of him would provide IMO some startling information. For starters, obsessive compulsive behavior.

Gothmog

(145,130 posts)
5. This bigot is a hate monger
Mon Feb 17, 2014, 05:35 PM
Feb 2014

The Uganda law is a horrible example of what the right wing wishes that it could pass in the US

RKP5637

(67,104 posts)
10. Exactly, if given the chance, they will turn the US into a Christian Taliban RW country. It's all
Mon Feb 17, 2014, 06:33 PM
Feb 2014

the same stuff, just the names/labels change.

Gothmog

(145,130 posts)
11. I still remember Lawrence v. Texas
Mon Feb 17, 2014, 06:59 PM
Feb 2014

Before 2003, it was a crime in Texas to engage in sodomy or to engage in homosexual sex. The Houston police actually broke into the wrong apartment by mistake on a bad search and caught two men engaged in bed having sex. Rather than admit a mistake, the Houston police charged these men with a crime. The two men were convicted and the case went to the SCOTUS where the Texas sodomy law was declared unconstitutional. Here is a good description of this case http://www.newyorker.com/arts/critics/books/2012/03/12/120312crbo_books_lithwick?currentPage=all

In 2003, the United States Supreme Court decided the case of Lawrence v. Texas, ruling, by a six-to-three margin, that anti-sodomy laws were unconstitutional. Even those of us who followed the case had a rather gauzy notion of what had triggered the litigation. On the night of September 17, 1998, someone made a phone call to the police, warning that a black man was “going crazy with a gun” in an apartment just outside Houston. A clutch of sheriff’s deputies stormed the apartment, and found no gun, but they arrested John Geddes Lawrence and Tyron Garner for having sex in Lawrence’s bedroom. And, in an unlikely series of legal twists, the arrests of Lawrence and Garner became a vehicle for challenging old anti-sodomy laws that were used solely to shame and stigmatize gay couples. Lawrence and Garner were arrested for simply doing what loving couples do.


The Texas GOP is trying to reinstate the sodomy law which is and has been a part of the Texas GOP party platform since the Lawrence case. The crazy VA attorney general who lost the governor's race was trying to reinstate the Virginia sodomy law. The conservatives are longing to go back to the good old days where being a homosexual was a crime.

The conservatives can no longer make being a gay illegal in the US and so they are trying to pass these laws in other countries.

RKP5637

(67,104 posts)
12. Thanks for the reply! I never cease to be amazed at how creepy conservative are. They are
Mon Feb 17, 2014, 07:12 PM
Feb 2014

really really weird people. They just don't get how bizarre they are as they work hard to make the world a very unfriendly and hostile place.

RKP5637

(67,104 posts)
17. I read part of it, my IQ started dropping. Fortunately, I will never set
Mon Feb 17, 2014, 08:05 PM
Feb 2014

foot in Texas. Thanks for the link!

theHandpuppet

(19,964 posts)
7. Details on the lawsuit against Lively
Mon Feb 17, 2014, 05:51 PM
Feb 2014
http://ccrjustice.org/ourcases/current-cases/sexual-minorities-uganda-v.-lively

Been hoping to hear an update on the case. Unfortunately, some legal sites I've visited don't think Lively can be convicted. Evenso, dragging all of these hatemongers to court and depleting their resources would be a partial victory and perhaps discourage other of their ilk from exporting hate.

HuckleB

(35,773 posts)
13. This bozo was pushing anti-gay BS in Oregon 25 years ago.
Mon Feb 17, 2014, 07:14 PM
Feb 2014

He got run out eventually, but he never quits fighting for bigotry.

Th1onein

(8,514 posts)
18. Go away, Scott Lively; no one wants to buy your hate anymore.
Mon Feb 17, 2014, 08:23 PM
Feb 2014

I'm so sick of these asshats trying to impose their values on everyone else. Especially because the only "value" they seem to have is depriving others of their civil rights.

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