Bill Maher Is Breaking Up With MSNBC: 'You've Stopped Leaning Forward'

[OKNancy]

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/bill-maher-msnbc-bridge-scandal

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He says "bridgegate" has become just like Fox's Benghazi
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Bill Maher is launching his own personal protest against MSNBC's wall-to-wall coverage of the George Washington Bridge scandal.

Maher has been pretty dismissive of the scandal from the beginning, arguing that Chris Christie will emerge even stronger and that there will be no smoking gun tying the New Jersey governor to the politically motivated lane closures.

That outlook puts the liberal comedian sharply at odds with MSNBC, which has given significant coverage to the scandal and broken news on the lane closures.

So Maher announced in a blog post on Friday that he's done with the liberal cable news channel.

Whatever we had is not working any more. You're obviously interested in another man: Chris Christie. You're obsessed with him. So I wanted you to hear it from me first. I'm going to start seeing other news organizations. I'll miss what we had. It was a rocket ship ride. We were both passionate flaming liberals and we didn't care what the world thought of us. It was a glorious time. We finished each other's Sarah Palin jokes. But now we never talk about any of the things we used to talk about: global warming, gun control, poverty... All because Chris Christie came along and put you under his spell.

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If you go to the link, I haven't seen a comment yet that agrees with BIll

[obxhead]

1. Christie is small potatoes compared to TPP/TTIP alone.

add in climate change, endless war, and poverty and the wall to wall coverage of the douche from NJ makes no sense.... unless your mission is to distract people from serious life changing issues.

[Harmony Blue]

6. I agree

this is why television news media can't be taken seriously.

[JRLeft]

15. Agreed this ^ should be receiving major coverage.

[truedelphi]

29. Yes, that is it exactly! The need for the PTB to keep adequate

camouflage layered over the TPP is exactly why we get this endless Christie coverage.

That and the sinking middle class camouflage.

Yes, Christie may someday be implicated in a twelve million dollar scandal.

But what about the twelve million households who have been foreclosed on, or the student loans that are going unpaid as there are no jobs left in the USA? Even the damn student loan, account service people are from the third world!

[Hassin Bin Sober]

39. How would you like how those issues are handled under President Christie?

Christie is the chairman of the republican governors association and the (used to be) front runner and biggest threat for the Presidency.

His downfall is a big fucking deal.

Maher likes to play superior and sometimes suffers from both-sides-it is. Sometimes he stretches too far and makes a fool of himself. This is a perfect example.

[obxhead]

42. The TPP will be signed into law by Obama.

I'll worry about front runners in 2015.

For now we need to stop these trade agreements, stop dumping trillions into war for absolutely no reason, fight poverty, and end the war on the middle class.

If we don't reign these things in it won't matter who our next president is, we'll all be too busy fighting each other over our next meal.

[stillwaiting]

46. Yes, it's why I don't watch any of it. It's a distraction meant to divide the masses. nt

[sabrina 1]

66. Absolutely. And that is what Maher means by comparing it to Faux. That's that what they did

with Bill Clinton.

The bigger question for me, regardless of whether Christie is guilty of anything, other than being a Corporate Republican which should be enough in itself, is, what is going on with the Dem Party regarding Republicans. Why did the Dem Party Leadership AND abandon Christie's Dem Opponent in the last election. Why did so many Democrats endorse him? THAT needs to be explained. Christie was beatable, IF someone had actually wanted to defeat him.

[840high]

101. Correct.

[bigdarryl]

2. There's nothing liberal about Maher(ASSHOLE) so you attack the messenger for Christie's fuckup

I stopped watching him last season.All he cares about is putting crazy ass conservatives on his show for ratings

[rhett o rick]

50. Your post doesnt make sense. But let me say that as a person, I am not a big Maher

fan, but I will say he isnt afraid to speak out where some liberals are. I also believe that Americans, including some liberals are too easily manipulated. I am always suspicious when so much attention is paid to one thing. While we are all watching the fire (Christie burning), beware of getting your pocket picked.

[Jamaal510]

64. ...And bash religion.

"All he cares about is putting crazy ass conservatives on his show for ratings"

I like BM's show overall. I find him funny at times, and he normally does a good job IMO holding his own against the conservatives who appear on his show. The only thing that doesn't sit too well with me, though, is how he craps on religion (especially Christianity). It just comes off as a sign of arrogance on his part whenever he decries all religion as basically a sign of ignorance. Nobody alive today was around billions of years ago, therefore the existence of a deity cannot be proven or disproven. Either side of the debate could be correct.

[Skidmore]

70. Religions are at the heart of a lot of ill will and destructive behavior in this world and

sometimes deserve to be "crapped on."

[Mr Dixon]

73. AGREED

i love his show and i really that he bashes religion every chance he gets makes for a good laugh IMO.

[Jamaal510]

94. Much of the world's conflict

may involve religion, but there are many reasons for ill will and destructive behavior. The truth is that people are to blame for conflicts, and they mostly get into conflict when they feel their livelihood is threatened. The extremists use their own twisted interpretations of their religion as an excuse to justify their actions, but properly following the teachings can sometimes prevent people from acting out negatively on an individual basis and can prevent strife. That's just what I think.

[HERVEPA]

76. Crapping on religion makes good sense to me.

Made up things that people control their lives with are not positives.

[Scuba]

3. I'm not up on the reporting, but if the left is consumed with bringing Christie down, and ...

... he survives, it'll give the Republicans, and their apologists, something to talk about for decades.


On the other hand, if he goes down, the scandal will be ancient history the next day, thanks to the "liberal media".


Making too much hoopla about one Republican gangster is not a good risk/reward opportunity.

[NightWatcher]

4. MSNBC has been a joke for a long time (with a couple bright spots)

They sell a product to people expecting a certain slant on the news, just like Fox does.

[VanillaRhapsody]

51. Thats funny since Rachel has been kicking Fox New's ass lately!

[NightWatcher]

55. Beating Fox doesn't change the fact that it is what it is

I'm just saying that when you turn to msnbc, you know what you are going to get. The same with fox, but just with different points of view. Both channels are selling a news product to a particular audience.

Yes, Maddow is smarter than anything on fox... Like I said a few bright spots.

As was said about newspapers, if you don't watch the news, you are uninformed. If you do watch the news, you're misinformed.

[VanillaRhapsody]

60. Apparently it DOES....seems people ARE tuning in for EXACTLY what you are

excoriating them for....apparently PEOPLE do care...even if YOU don't.

[okaawhatever]

67. An important note. Rachel is kicking ass in the demographic that matters. I think it's 18-49 or

25-49 something like that. In TV world, it's all that matters, because that's who the advertisers want. Fox still has more viewers, but not the ones who matter. I only say that so you'll have the info in case of right wing attack.

[onpatrol98]

71. that's pretty sweet...

I go to TV by the numbers all the time...what days was she kicking butt? Sometimes you can tell which topics were hot. Usually, when I check that site, her numbers are nowhere near tackling Fox. I should probably try a different site.

[840high]

103. I don't watch it. I want

news - not slants.

[lostincalifornia]

5. Gee Bill, it isn't just about the bridge scandal, it is about abuse of power, with the leading

person who was the leading nominee of the republican party.

If it wasn't for Rachael nothing would have been covered anywhere, and it is turning out to be much more than just the bridge, it is using allocated money for other sources.

I remember Maher going gah gah over Ron Paul. He was a little surprised to discover that Paul had some racist tendencies.

Maher's judgement is not the best, but then again, he is a fu*king entertainer not a deep thinker

My only comment, who cares?

[Tarheel_Dem]

12. ^^^ THIS ^^^

[putitinD]

32. exactly

[BlueCaliDem]

62. ^^^This!^^^

And since when is Bill a Liberal? He's a self-proclaimed Libertarian who goes gah-gah over Ann Coulter, for chrissakes! And he's criticizing a true Liberal - Rachel Maddow.

So I agree, LiC . . . who cares if yet another Libertarian parts ways with MSNBC?

[Fumesucker]

63. Maher did give $1 million to an Obama campaign PAC

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/24/bill-maher-super-pac-obama-_n_1299250.html

WASHINGTON -- Stephen Colbert may not support the idea of super PACs, but fellow political satirist Bill Maher is buying into the system -- literally.

During a performance of his comedy special "CrazyStupidPolitics" Thursday night, Maher announced a gift of $1 million to Priorities USA Action, an Obama-supporting super PAC. While he mocked the group's clunky name, saying it was "named by Borat," his publicist said that Maher was deadly serious about the donation and believed a second term for Obama was “worth a million dollars."

[BlueCaliDem]

69. I remember watching him pledge that on his show.

But that does not make him a Liberal. He's just not wacky right-wing Libertarian enough to allow billionaires to fund the pathway into the White House for a Duhbya Bush 2.0.

[IL Lib]

65. +1 n/t

[The Wielding Truth]

7. My question. What other news organizations? When there is only one that pushes against FOX, I see

little to turn to. Bill you are leaving your MSNBC for what?

[Vashta Nerada]

8. I agree with Bill in that there are more important things to talk about

such as fracking, global warming, water shortages, gun control, poverty, minimum wage hike, gay rights, etc. etc.

The Chris Christie bridge scandal is political theater. Yes, he should be punished. Yes, he should be removed from office for abusing his power. But that's not the only issue out there right now.

[Tarheel_Dem]

10. You don't have to hear those things on MSNBC. Your priorities aren't the be all/end all of the news.

[Vashta Nerada]

14. They're not just "my priorities".

They should be all of our's.

[Tarheel_Dem]

20. So you say. That still doesn't make your wishes any more important than those who actually cover....

the news. If it weren't for MSNBC's coverage of Christie, the country would have no idea about his corrupt ass. Rachel & others put the national spotlight on a hugely popular, potential 2016 presidential candidate, and pulled back the covers.

Fuck Bill Maher, and kudos to MSNBC for covering stories like GWB & the Jordan Davis killing that other networks have given very short shrift.

[Vashta Nerada]

21. Again, they're not my wishes.

They should be all of our's, and they're the most important issues affecting ALL of us. Christie's corrupt ass only affects those in NJ.

I don't like watching political theater 24/7, and that's why I turned off MSNBC (and all news networks) a couple of weeks ago.

[Tarheel_Dem]

30. As head of the RGA, Christie and his cast of characters have national platform. So you couldn't be

more wrong. And what you consider theater, has managed to cripple one of the most powerful Republicans in the country. But I understand that probably doesn't sit well with you.

[Vashta Nerada]

31. Sorry.

What state is Christie the governor of?

Yep.

But excuse me for caring more about the environment, clean water, human rights, our need for food, fair wages, etc. etc.

[Tarheel_Dem]

35. And who the hell is stopping you from caring about those things? Just because they aren't the.....

lifeblood of MSNBC doesn't mean those issues aren't covered. Whether you recognize it or not, Christie is a national figure who won a landslide victory in a blue state, and it appears that his victory may be due, in part, to graft & intimidation. Knocking him out of frontrunner status for the White House is a huge deal, and if you don't think so, I take it there's a much less noble reason for that than you claim.

MSNBC - "The Place For POLITICS". It's what they do, and they make no bones about it. They don't claim to be "Fair & Balanced", nor do they claim to be your source for news. You can watch Brian Williams for that.

[VanillaRhapsody]

52. ^^^^ This!! ++++

[Tarheel_Dem]

9. Oh Bill, go kiss Ann Coulter on the lips again.

[IDemo]

44. Please

I'm eating dinner, here

[Jamaal510]

49. No way!

She's mine!

[Tarheel_Dem]

88. Well, I'll let you & Bill fight it out over that one!!!

[grasswire]

61. Is that where he kissed her?

Not what I heard.

[Tarheel_Dem]

89. !!!

[otohara]

87. She Deemed Pot Smokers Retards

so maybe they've broken up?

[OKNancy]

11. Not my original thought, but

Benghazi is fake, the bridge and associated corruption are not.

[Bandit]

13. The shows I watch on MSNBC are "Political" News shows and the Christie story

is the biggest political story of 2014 so far. Why would anyone complain about a HUGE political story being reported upon? Christie is the Republicans "Great White Hope" and MSNBC is putting it all into perspective..If Christie is as clueless as he portrays himself to be then how could anyone want him to be the Leader of the free world? If he is not completely clueless as he claims, then he is complicit. Either way Christie has problems and I laud MSNBC for bringing the nation's attention to it.

[LeftyMom]

16. Some coverage of the rest of the country would be nice.

Out here in California (aka the state the Dem establishment only notices when they want money) we have a bridge scandal of our own: the new span of the SF-Oakland bay bridge was built out of garbage-filled substandard mafia concrete (really) Chinese steel, brittle bolts that are already rusting and somehow the design is vulnerable to moisture, which is a slight problem since they thing is over a bay and eternally blanketed in fog.

That's the new, safer replacement we got for a bridge that failed in the last major earthquake. Which, it should be noted, was an order of magnitude less powerful than the 1906 quake.

I know there's no easy political angle on a story that has more to do with incompetence (and probably graft if somebody pokes around in the paperwork long enough,) but if dem politicians and their media allies are going to push for needed infrastructure upgrades shouldn't they follow up and make sure those projects are executed in a way that's competent and honest or at least not a disaster waiting to happen?

Oh, and also global warming is destroying our ag economy which is a huge problem here and it's a huge problem everywhere else if you like to eat food.

[yortsed snacilbuper]

17. MSNBC got it right,

hammer chri$tie into the ground!

[putitinD]

33. I agree

[Hamlette]

18. The problem for us MSNBC watchers is 4 hours a night on one issue is too much

I've been watching less and less MSNBC because of it.

And on UP this weekend there was a whole hour on how a cop accompanied Wildstein to view the mess. Seemed like it wasn't that big of a deal to me.

Like Bill, give me some more stuff or I'll move on too.

[BlueStreak]

25. Exactly. It becomes a 4 hour filibuster every damn night.

And a tag team filibuster at that. Really, I don't need to hear an hour of 4 different people talking about the same damn thing. And because they can't get any real guests to come on the program, they end up with the same tired old pool of talking heads every night. And those talking head "guests" just move from one program to the next saying the same damn thing.

Complete waste of time.

[DebJ]

86. Exactly. You used to hear different stories, at least one or two, on each of the shows.

Now it's clear they are given orders about what to talk about, and talk to death,
to the exclusion of every other thing. Watching MSNBC now is like watching
TV with a very young child: you will just see Barney, Barney, Barney or
Elmo, Elmo, Elmo over and over and over and over again.

Waste of my energy to tune in.

[mitchtv]

102. +10

I've been groaning with all the uninteresting"breaking news"

[BlueStreak]

19. Right answer. Wrong reason.

The bridge thing is just Christie being a dick. That isn't a news story. Everybody already knew he was a dick.

The real story is misappropriation of Federal Sandy funds, illegally sending it to friends for projects that had nothing to do with storm recovery. That should be serious prison time. While MSNBC has covered that somewhat, they have clearly given the important story second-rate coverage.

There really is no good reason to watch MSNBC most days.

[Vashta Nerada]

24. "There really is no good reason to watch MSNBC most days."

Agreed. It's the news network's version of political theater.

[warrior1]

22. probably one of the best investigative reports

and bill dismissed it?

fuck you bill

[DJ13]

23. How can he break up with MSNBC when he's already married to CNN?

I mean, when is the last time he has been on MSNBC?

He's practically on the payroll at CNN.

[oldandhappy]

26. More than the bridge.

The Sandy money is what will get Christie.

And no problem, Bill. I will still watch your new rules!!

[Politicalboi]

27. Benghazi is NOT a scandal

Where as Bridgegate is. I usually like Bill, but he's wrong on this and 9/11. IMO.

[yortsed snacilbuper]

28. Chri$tie could become president if MSNBC stops investigating his crimes,

and he will be worse than bu$h, mark my word!

[putitinD]

34. yep

[bvar22]

36. With Bill on this.

YES, report on Christie when you have something to report on.
Should take all of 5 minutes.
Wall to Wall 4 hour Christie filibusters?
Begs the Question,
What are you NOT covering?

IMO, MSNBC is working hard to establish the Pro-Corporate CENTRISTS in the Democratic Party
as the Liberal Left End of the political spectrum in order to help marginalize the Democratic Wing of the Democratic Party.
They are playing the Alan Colmes (fake Liberal) in order to market themselves as the Anti-FOX.

I have tons of respect for Rachel, and she will occasionally push the edge of what her Corporate Owners allow her to do, but ultimately, she works for her Corporate Owners.

I had to stop watching MSNBC the night of the Iowa Primaries 2008.
Obama won,
John Edwards finished a strong 2nd,
and Hillary placed a distant and disappointing 3rd.

I was anxiously awaiting Olberman's broadcast and analysis of John Edwards strong showing that night,
but in that entire hour, Edwards name was not mentioned... at all.
Not once.
They reported that Obama had WON,
and Hillary placed Third, but NEVER mentioned WHO placed 2nd,
and the Primary was reported as Horse Race between Hillary and Obama.
This does NOT happen by accident.

I have rarely watched MSNBC since then.

KUDOS to Bill Maher,
and DURec for this thread.

[defacto7]

57. And I'm with you on this as well.

Bill is right out there and doesn't mince words. What you see is what you get and I admire that in Bill whether I agree with him or not. His point covers that gamut of what's happening to the news media in general, and he's right when he says, "But now we never talk about any of the things we used to talk about: global warming, gun control, poverty...".

Although I don't believe in putting the Christie thing to bed, and I don't get the idea Bill does either, there are other important issues that are glossed over by the hype of entertainment and I'm glad there at least one person out there who throws it in our face whether we like it or not. Comfort is no prerequisite to reality.

Go Bill.

[JI7]

37. maybe they are overdoing it but the comparison to Benghazi is BS

with benghazi they bring out all these lies and conspiracy theories.

with christie they are reporting on facts.

[idendoit]

38. I wonder if he'll have a slot on the Greenwald channel.

[spanone]

40. bill's a comedian. i applaud m$nbc & steve kornacki.

i think bill's funny, beyond that.....?

[okaawhatever]

68. I think most people don't understand that it isn't one scandal w/Christie. This has morphed into so

many other things. I think people think all the hoopla is over the bridge closure. That is only a small portion of it. It's like a soap opera where you have to keep up with what's going on with the different characters.

[Logical]

41. Any proof yet that Christie knew about this BEFORE it happened? n-t

[WinkyDink]

81. Have you read of a trial yet? It will come. And prior knowledge won't be required.

[Blue_In_AK]

43. I can see the truth to this.

As titillating as it is, the bridge thing is really an East Coast phenomenon. I think it's great the big bully is getting caught up in a scandal, but it really doesn't affect MY life any.

[spanone]

45. christie is BIG news. the republican FRONTRUNNER for President!!! THEE guy.

[TheMathieu]

47. Bill Maher has always been a prick and always will be.

MSNBC is top notch journalism.

He's just a comedian with a show that can't survive outside a premium channel.

[snooper2]

77. "a show that can't survive outside a premium channel"

LOL-

You wrote that

[Tarheel_Dem]

90. Sponsors won't touch his ass!

[asjr]

48. I'm afraid Maher's ego overrides his mouth. I

have not watched him in a long time.

[struggle4progress]

53. I've frequently found him amusing, but I've never regarded him as "liberal" -- I always regarded

he as a libertarian, though hardly anybody believed me when I told people that

But, yeah, he's actually been a long-term libertarian, though the tea-pots may have forced some recent reconsideration of his views. Here he is, back in early April of last year:

To everyone who keeps trying to shame me about abandoning my Libertarian moorings, my message is this: I didn't go nuts, this movement did. Like when you see a stop light, your reaction should be 'Great, an easy way to ensure we don't all crash into each other,' not, 'How dare the government tell me when I can and cannot go!'

[nadinbrzezinski]

54. While the scandal is important

there are other news around the country. Not just TTP, but things like the drought in the West. Guess where a lot of your fruits and vegies are coming from? What happens when the Central Valley goes dry? (Worst case scenario of course, but)

Myself, I left the Science channel for a lot of their coverage this afternoon.

[Garion_55]

56. i kind of agree with him

msnbc does seem to be a bit obsessed with christy lately. if something breaking happens then talk about it otherwise I wish they would talk about other stuff. Christy is boring to me.

[Dawson Leery]

58. Bill is showing his shallow tendencies, yet again.

There is more than the bridge. The holding back of Sandy funds is potentially criminal. Thousands are still without their homes due to the funds being held back my Don Christie.

[greyl]

59. If anyone on this site can't name 50 issues that are more important

than 99% of the programming that MSNBC sells ad space for, they aren't fucking paying attention.

[agentS]

72. Really, Bill? He must be tokin' up in the evening and missing everything else.

I don't have MSNBC (or cable) so I use the website. So if I get bored of Christie getting Creamed, I'll check out the other stories, because, lo and behold, the networks COVERS MORE than just Christie!
Ed Show 2/17
Story 1: Union Vote at Car Plant
Story 2: Christiegate
Story 3: Questions about Keystone XL
Story 4: GOP talking points in 2016
Story 5: Idiot Republican Blackburn (re: Climate Change)
Story 6: John Kerry's warning about Climate Change

Hardball show 2/17
Story 1: Christiegate
Story 2: Hillary and Bill (re: 2016)
Story 3: Something about Groupon
Story 4: Obamacare
Story 5: Obama's legacy (must be a President's day thing)
Story 6: a polemic about power

All In show 2/17
Story 1: ChristieGate
Story 2: "
Story 3: Jordan Davis shooting
Story 4: "
Story 5: Worst President ever
Story 6: "

Rachel Maddow 2/17
Story 1: Christiegate
Story 2: "
Story 3: Oklahoma Earthquakes
Story 4: " -- re: fracking
Story 5: Congress stuff
Story 6: Toxic spill in WV update
Story 7: Something about Monday

The Last Word 2/17
Story 1: Jordan Davis shooting
Story 2: "
Story 3: Christie Gate
Story 4: Democrats' plans for 2014
Story 5: Obama and the gay NFL prospect (NOW WATCH- some idiot is going to write a "rule 34" story about this)
Story 6: Interview with Bill Nye about discussion on Global climate change

Long story short- Yeah they cover Christie a lot, but it's certainly not the ONLY thing they cover. They cover the other important stuff as well.

Maybe Bill should just toke out in the evenings and go to the MSNBC website in the morning and pick what he wants to see.

[BklnDem75]

74. Your concern is noted Bill

I prefer to hear about actual scandals. Sorry that bores you.

[PowerToThePeople]

75. Everyone needs to read this thread!

It is VERY telling.

For the record, I still thrash can every christie thread on DU. There were a few weeks where I was trashing him constantly. Now I am trashing the battle of sexes.

Maher is right, the guy is just a big turd and did not deserve even 15 minutes. What he has gotten (I guess, since I do not follow it, but peeps here still talk about it) is an insane amount of press coverage. This is not in the best interest of the left.

There are so many real issues crushing us at the moment. So many people about to be tossed out into the streets.

All I can say is wtf! It is sad to see it on DU, but it is a public web site. We have not been doing a decent enough job filtering the right wingers imo. It shows.

[WinkyDink]

79. (Wrong place.)

[PowerToThePeople]

82. Sorry you think so. eom

[WinkyDink]

83. No, I meant MY post was; I put it below.

[PowerToThePeople]

85. Oh =)

[Paladin]

78. Maher a self-described "passionate flaming liberal"? I don't think so.

It's the little things, Bill: having Daryl Issa on your show multiple times, paling around with Ann Coulter. Your pout-rage is noted.....

[Historic NY]

105. Liberal not so much, he is a self described Liberterian......

he's beginning to sound like that other former comedian that went full on right...Dennis Miller.

[WinkyDink]

80. Anyone who thinks this CC story, with its tentacles, is small-time is under a misapprehension. NJ &

NY are HUGE PLAYERS on the national scene.

CHRIS CHRISTIE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE THE REPUBLICAN NOMINEE FOR PRESIDENT, FOR GOD'S SAKE.

And Bill Maher is a Libertarian, not a Liberal.

[Squinch]

84. It's been so long since we've seen investigative journalism, we have forgotten that this is what it

looks like.

Anyone remember the months and months of Watergate coverage?

If MSNBC sticks with this story, then moves onto another one that has just as much surface under the iceberg (like, maybe, Wisconsin), they have a winning strategy.

[flamingdem]

91. Maher is an ass. We were this close to having Christie as POTUS

Give me a freaking break. It's an AMAZING story of corruption, the GOP, and the system. It stands in for other corrupt situations, most if not all of them lead by Repukes.

Sorry if he'd rather hear Gold Medal stories or other trash that is used as filler. Now we really have a story and real investigative reporting.

It must be threatening to him since I'm not buying that it's boredom. Just like many humorists he'd enjoy the spectre of dough boy as leader more than he'd care about our democracy.

[Marr]

92. Anyone else find it kind of funny that the divide here is once again between

party hacks and liberals, with the former group saying MSNBC *should* be the Democratic Party's Fox News, while pretty much everyone else is saying they'd rather hear real news about things like TPP/TTIP, fracking, etc.?

[OKNancy]

93. no, I didn't notice it because I don't think that's true

I think that MSNBC can do both. Another post in this thread proved that they are doing both.

[WinkyDink]

95. I find your poor reading comprehension and/or deliberate mischaracterization "kind of funny."

[Marr]

96. You're a perfect example of what I was referring to.

Oh, I know you'd like to say it's more nuanced than that, but really-- that does seem to be how things break down. Party hacks want to dish party dirt and play Red Team vs. Blue Team. Liberals are more concerned with stopping certain policies that both party's establishments are happily advancing together.

[WinkyDink]

100. Hail thee, O Great Arbiter.

[scarletwoman]

104. Excellent observation.

Thank you.

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

97. Less than an hour ago, Thom Hartmann says he agrees (that's 1)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024522606

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

99. The subtext of these threads is that the comments are seen as...

...attacks on Rachel Maddow. And that's a no-no at DU.

[Nanjing to Seoul]

106. bill maher, who believes the worse things get, the better he will be and the more money

he will make.