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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThe country is at its best with a divided Government.
If Democrats hold the WH, then Republicans should control Congress, and vice versa.
It's the only way to ensure that Democrats don't get to push through corporate policies that hurt Americans. On the other hand, it's imperative that a Democratic Congressional majority is in place to keep a Republican executive branch from destroying the country.
What are the implications for 2014? Doesn't matter.
Divided government is a win for the American people.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)ProSense
(116,464 posts)It may be best to just leave things as they are now as long as that Democrat is in the WH.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)You need to examine your life.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)"When winning an argument is the end all and be all You need to examine your life."
I'm cool with losing an "argument."
"Winning an argument" isn't everything: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022381931
Sometimes it's better to go with the flow because winning isn't the "end all and be all," at least not in the context of politics as this clearly is.
DURHAM D
(32,603 posts)Proud Liberal Dem
(24,391 posts)I don't follow..........divided government hasn't done much for us since 2011. It's pretty much ensured that nothing but routine business gets done and even getting some of the routine stuff done- like funding the government and raising the debt ceiling- has been excruciatingly difficult.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)"I don't follow..........divided government hasn't done much for us since 2011."
I know what you mean.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023858066
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,391 posts)No Iraq witdrawal, timetable, no Medicaid/CHIP expansion, etc. Bush didn't even have to face the wrath of voters by vetoing anything because Senate Republicans filibustered everything before it landed on his desk. Of course, Pelosi was a responsible Speaker and never allowed the government to shut down (and I sure do miss having her as Speaker) but a Republican is never going to sign Democratic-passed legislation. Likewise, a modern-day Republican Congress is not going to send a Democratic President much (if anything) worth signing. Republicans would have never sent President Obama the ACA let alone Dodd-Frank, or pretty much anything that was accomplished during the first two years of the Obama Presidency. Unity is great when trying to band together to stop bad legislation or pass good legislation but it takes more than that to accomplish stuff legislatively, specifically, we need a Congress to pass the right laws and a President to sign them.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)that you can't tell what ProSense is saying. I get that she is a phenomenal Democrat, but making sense would be helpful if she did it a few times.
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,391 posts)ProSense
(116,464 posts)"This conversation is so convoluted that you can't tell what ProSense is saying. I get that she is a phenomenal Democrat, but making sense would be helpful if she did it a few times. "
...I really think you're overthinking this.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)ProSense. You need to take a break, because you are obviously around the bend.
I'm concerned about you.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)It's OK if you don't understand though. Maybe just skip this discussion.
LOL!
ProSense
(116,464 posts)...wouldn't you agree that divided Government is good when a Republican is in the WH, but bad when a Democrat is President?
I mean, if Republicans held Congress during Bush...I shudder to think!!!
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,391 posts)Republicans had the WH AND Congress for 6 whole years under Bush (2001-2007)- give or take a few months where Democrats briefly held the Senate. The Democrats winning Congress in 2006 was great but changed little of Bush's last two years in office IMHO.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)"Republicans had the WH AND Congress for 6 whole years (2001-2007)- give or take a few months where Democrats briefly held the Senate. "
...it was horrible, right?
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,391 posts)I don't get why you seem to think that divided government is good when Dems are in charge?
ProSense
(116,464 posts)"I don't get why you seem to think that divided government is good when Dems are in charge?"
...it's a theory, including the part about it being a win for the American people. Testing, one, two...
Aerows
(39,961 posts)Impeaching Bush off of the table, and prosecuting people for war crimes off the table, and the rest of us forgetting about it is off the table. You think you are a Democrat by supporting them when Democratic politicians do bad things?
Wrong kind of Democratic supporter. We need to get some real Wendy Davis in our party.
"She also took Impeaching Bush off of the table, and prosecuting people for war crimes off the table, and the rest of us forgetting about it is off the table. You think you are a Democrat by supporting them when Democratic politicians do bad things?
Wrong kind of Democratic supporter. We need to get some real Wendy Davis in our party."
...relevant to the OP point, you're saying that Republicans should have controlled the House?
Aerows
(39,961 posts)I just interjected my opinions in there. If you think Republicans should control the House, then okay. I disagree, but that's what we are here for is to hash it out.
Initech
(100,027 posts)Response to ProSense (Original post)
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Vattel
(9,289 posts)RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)Unless you are a Pro Sense type who, I am not kidding, right now has 6 OPs on the first page. Looks like a burnout to me.
Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)wants to claim they work for the people not corporations, at least since Gingrich was speaker. Before that, the parties had a stronger ability to compromise and govern between elections.
They don't do that much anymore.
RainDog
(28,784 posts)when sane Republicans are getting booted out or voluntarily leaving the Talibornagain Party - it's not good to have the Talibornagain party with any power.
This nation is too far to the right and out-of-step with reality because of the influence of backward ass religious, social and economic conservatives.
The Republican Party that had enough intelligence to understand at least noblesse oblige has been overtaken by car salesmen from Florida who think it would be a good thing for the U.S. to default on its debt.
So, no. It's a bad thing for Republicans to share power at the point in history. It's like watching a car wreck.
Is that the only option this nation has... to be gawkers at the car wreck?
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jwirr
(39,215 posts)of rethug rule with a few short periods of Democratic rule in between and now 5 years of just plain obstructionism. Some things need to get done and the rethugs obviously do not want to do anything.
I for one want to sweep the country in November. I want the safety net reinstated, social security fixed not privatized, jobs brought back to America, the income inequality addressed and taxes raised. And that is just the beginning of the list.
sheshe2
(83,623 posts)Wendy Davis, rock on! Take Perry down.
Alison Lundergan Grimes, Take Mitch out of the Senate!
LOL, ProSense. The no vote. So many say that they won't vote unless they have a true Progressive savior. They are having vapors~
Damn this President for trying to push his progressive agenda through, not enough for some. Never enough. I am refusing to vote! He failed me!
Divided, oh yeah that is the way to go. Let's try united for a change.