As someone who grew up in the south (Dunn/Zimmerman)

[Recursion]

I see a lot of "these new laws are the problems"

rather than

"The media is finally noticing that black victims of violence don't get justice."



Am I cynical? Do people really think this is a new thing?

[Thinkingabout]

1. No, you are not cynical, now the SYG laws is advertized, NRA is pushing more and more

To buy guns, guns, and guns without any thought towards safety or background checks. Another problem is the red neck mentality which is nationwide. It is a lose-lose situation. Sensible gun laws needs to be enacted along with safety training and get rid of SYG.

[Recursion]

2. Agreed, but whites killing people of color with impunity is not some new thing

It's kind of party and parcel of what America has anyways been

[geek tragedy]

3. both. black people are victims of the system, and the SYG/etc laws are too lenient

on people who use guns.

Self-defense should be an affirmative defense with the defendant needing to establish it by a preponderance of the evidence.

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5. Fair point (nt)

[Boom Sound 416]

7. You sure about that?

Your standard of proof then is about 50.00001%.

Not really a tough measure

[geek tragedy]

8. currently it's about 10.01% or maybe 5.01%

Prosecution needs to actively disprove the self-defense claim by overwhelming, beyond a reasonable doubt, burden.

Michael Dunn would not have met that burden re: Jordan Davis.

[Recursion]

11. But this isn't just a modern technicality

This is in the context of the last... oh, I don't know, 300 years or so. SSDD.

[geek tragedy]

12. self-defense used to be an affirmative defense, i.e. it wasn't an element

of the crime for the prosecutor to prove beyond a reasonable doubt the absence of self-defense.

[bullwinkle428]

4. Just tie it all together - "these new laws are further ensuring that black victims

of violence don't get justice".

[Recursion]

6. And there we are.

Thanks, that was it. Sigh...

[Boom Sound 416]

9. The gun violence data in Florida would disagree with you.

As to the media. They 'notice' what they wish and what fits and narrative and nothing more.

[Blue_Tires]

10. I've been saying it for years...

[gwheezie]

13. Black folks got too much equality

racists think we need new laws to put things right again, back to the day when a white person didn't get arrested let alone stand trial for killing a black person, I think that is the origin of some of these new laws.

[uponit7771]

14. +1

[LuvNewcastle]

15. I'm still in the South, and I think these SYG laws just aggravate the situation.

It's bad enough to have all these people with guns, but passing a law allowing people to carry them around all over the place is just inviting trouble. There's always going to be at least some sub-surface tension between blacks and whites down here. It's just a fact of life. People down here, whether they're black or white, get angrier when the person who pisses them off is of the other race. In a situation like that, interracial killings are going to become more common than they were before people were allowed to carry their guns everywhere.

I don't want to see guns banned, but I believe that guns are to be kept at home and used for protection on your own property or taken out for hunting only. There is no reason for anyone other than a cop to be walking down the street with a gun. It just isn't necessary. We all survived without our guns before these laws were passed, and we'll make it just fine without them now.