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OPEN SEASON ON BLACK TEENAGERS

Michael Dunn and open season on black teenagers: The onslaught of white murder

Since Florida cannot defend black life against white fear, the question now is: How should black people respond?

BRITTNEY COOPER

How much more are black people in this country supposed to take?

On Saturday, a Florida jury failed to convict Michael Dunn for the callous murder of Jordan Davis. Though he was convicted of three counts of attempted murder and also on a gun charge, a mistrial was declared for the first-degree murder charge. He will face substantial jail time – perhaps up to 75 years on the four charges for which he was found guilty.

Prosecutor Angela Corey has also publicly declared her intent to seek retrial on the murder conviction. However, she is the same prosecutor who oversaw the Zimmerman murder trial and failed to get a conviction. She is the same prosecutor who has over zealously prosecuted Marissa Alexander, for firing a warning shot into the wall to scare off her violent ex-husband. The Alexander case is the only case of the three for which she has gotten a conviction, and though Alexander has been granted a new trial, Corey intends yet again to send her to prison for 20 years for a crime that harmed no one.

Therefore, I don’t trust Corey. It is clear that Florida prosecutors are fairly unclear about how to defend black life against an onslaught of white murder.

Yes, I know that Jordan’s killer may spend the rest of his life in prison. But this is not about jail time. This case, like the case of Trayvon Martin, hinges on whether white fear legally outweighs and is therefore more legally defensible than black life. The day before Jordan Davis would have turned 19 years old, a court failed to affirm the value of his life, his right to exist in space enjoying music with his friends, his right not to be harassed by someone while doing something as mundane as sitting in a parking lot at a gas station.

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http://www.salon.com/2014/02/18/michael_dunn_and_open_season_on_black_teenagers_the_onslaught_of_white_murder/

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Marvin Gaye sings my comment for this thread:

[Nuclear Unicorn]

1. "How should black people respond?"

Not defenseless.

[onpatrol98]

2. This isn't exactly a new reality for most of us...

This isn't exactly a new reality for most of us...

This is where we watch the rest of America feign surprise and regret.

The conversations we have in our living rooms and dining rooms haven't changed. The more things change, the more they remain the same.

[JustAnotherGen]

31. Amen on onpatrol

Unfortunately - amen and oh so true.

[heaven05]

40. yep,yep

been watching racism in amerikkka for 55 years. Had to watch my ass in Vietnam, you know the confederate flag flying in their tent types and still have to watch racism get uglier and uglier, especially in legal lynching states like florida. Some people still hate based on race in amerikkka so the recipients of that racist hate are either shot down in cold blood or shot at period, so......

[sulphurdunn]

44. The only thing I've seen change

is cops have a license to kill anyone now. It doesn't much matter what color they are so long as they are poor or middle class. If they're rich and black, the cops are likely to kill them anyway. They won't do that to rich white people very often. The real issue is gun violence, regardless of who the shooter is. It's way, way out of control.

[Heather MC]

53. Exactly!!!! We will do what we have always done, pick up the pieces

Shake our heads and keep moving.

This is not a black People problem this is an American Problem. How many people have to die under this wild west law before it is repealed?

[1StrongBlackMan]

64. The conversations of our living rooms and dining rooms ...

haven't and won't change.

This is where we watch the rest of America feign surprise and regret.

Hush, truth!

[Maedhros]

66. No surprise and regret on my part.

Only anger.

This shit must stop, and not just in Florida. Everywhere.

[upaloopa]

8. If Black men began arming themselves based on their

right to bear arms, would it increase fear of them?

[Nuclear Unicorn]

14. Well, for what it is worth,

the thought of black Americans arming themselves doesn't cause me the least bit of angst. I'm guessing anyone who would be troubled by such a thing is probably be predisposed to seeing ill intent regardless of how a black person conducted him or herself.

In other words, screw it! You got nothing to lose but your life, you might as well do what is best for you and your family, stupid people's opinions be damned.

[upaloopa]

19. Suppose Jordan Davis saw Dunn's gun and shot him first with a gun.

Do you think SYG would have protected him? I doubt it.
Until we begin to see black men as human beings and not thugs there will be no justice.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

26. "Until we begin to see black men as human beings and not thugs there will be no justice."

There is no "we." Sometimes the explanation is no deeper than the fact there have always been and always will be bad people. A person who would kill for racism cannot be deterred by laws. At best the law can exact retribution.

[upaloopa]

30. The law can't give a mother her son back or a teen his adult life.

We need to do more to bring about a hatred for the shooters and sympathy for the Black teens. We need to repeal SYG because it is an excuse to kill.

[oldhippie]

68. "We need to do more to bring about a hatred...."

Yeah, that must be the answer. More hatred.

[upaloopa]

79. They sure don't deserve our respect

Hatred was a bad word choice but you can see that the shooters are given the benefit of the doubt and the victims life history is called into question.
No where else is that the case then in these SYG cases.

[JimDandy]

85. Rape is another case where that occurs, but that's for another thread.

Don't want to distract from addressing the current problem.

[upaloopa]

86. Yes you are right

[Scuba]

70. The law should act as a deterrent, not just a means of retribution. SYG does the opposite.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

73. "The law should act as a deterrent"

Once upon a time I bought enough pot to prove the foolishness of that sentiment.

[JimDandy]

77. How many Black eyewitnesses would it take to believe

that what they say is the truth and not what a lone white defendant says is the truth?

We all shouldn't have to find out, but THREE wasn't enough for a jury.

The inhumanity of injustice...

[oldhippie]

69. +1

Black Americans have as much right and justification to defend themselves as anyone else.

[Anansi1171]

22. Of course it would.

Like voting rights, the profit-driven law enforcement and corrections industriplex will ensure black males are hamstrung in getting CCW permits.

A black American open carry group would likely be subject to overt and covert law enforcement harassment - infiltrating the group with troublemakers, creating false-flag violence to pin on the group, jailing movement leaders as they have with Occupy. Just the 2014 version of COINTELPRO.

Get 10 black men, otherwise unarmed and peaceful, and put GoPros on em. Record reactionsas they walk a mall or a boardwalk, a street corner, grocery store, restaurant. Get 10 white guys that are otherwise identical in outfit and demeanor to go to those same places and record. What do you think the chief differences are in how they will be treated? I predict you will see cops and security guards always show up around the black men and not so much white guys.

[heaven05]

43. +1000

my friend was recipient of COINTELPRO in the 70's for organizing black students at a 'great' american university. Same thing would happen to to 'black open carry' group today, no doubt. The mall stuff, true. Right on.

[KansDem]

52. Ask the Black Panthers

Elaine Brown, head of the Black Panther Party in the 1970s, recently explained:

The position of the Black Panther Party was that black people live in communities occupied by police forces that are armed and dangerous and represent the frontline of forces keeping us oppressed. We did not promote guns, but rather, the right to defend ourselves against a state that was oppressing us — with guns. There were innumerable incidents in which police agents kicked in our doors or shot our brothers and sisters in what we called red-light trials, where the policeman was the judge, the jury and the executioner. We called for an immediate end to this brutality, and advocated for our right to self-defense. Today, the brutal police murders of Sean Bell in New York and Oscar Grant in Oakland are just two examples of how little has changed. The gun-control discussion could result in policies that further criminalize and target black people.

--And--

When Reagan and Nixon and the other Republicans in the 1960s advanced gun control, they were at least in part pandering to law-and-order conservatives who wanted police to have yet more power to protect them from minorities and the poor. If racism was not in the intent, it was definitely part of the effect.

http://morallowground.com/2013/10/01/the-black-panthers-were-right-and-reagan-was-wrong-on-gun-control/


I remember seeing and reading about well-disciplined "armies" of back men in "uniforms" and carrying arms arriving at public demonstrations. I also remember reading an article/report/biography written by a Black Panther (name escapes me) about how the (white) police officers "took notice" when these "armies" showed up.

[Scuba]

71. As Dick Gregory said about Reagan's "law and order" platform... "He's always talking ....

... about law and order, but he's never talking about justice."

[azureblue]

62. my two cents

is assemble a group of armed blacks, and include in that group some black attorneys, and some "hidden" cameras, and go in public, like maybe go get a bite at Crackerbarrel . For sure, the cops will come a' running and the racists will freak. I would hope that the results would not end in harm, but I am certain that law enforcement racism will rear its ugly head, and the vids of it can then be sent to Holder, to open the door for federal charges of racially selective enforcement..

[Rex]

3. You should not be allowed to kill someone and then pretend you were scared.

People that are in fear, flee. They do not unload a clip. "I was scared so I killed everyone in the room just to be safe". Just doesn't sound correct.

[babylonsister]

102. Amen! nt

[uponit7771]

103. +1...lol

[bettyellen]

105. And sadly, the jurors asked if exactly that was okay

The mind reels.

[Rex]

117. They should rename the law, "I Am 'Scared' Of You Therefore I Get To Kill You." IASOYTIGTKY

nt.

[bettyellen]

118. The NYT did a piece about it- that jurors cannot convict

Because they feel the one thing they cannot judge is what the person felt- if their was fear. So they are reluctant when that card is played. SYG is fuckjng up cases where they don't even claim it. Somehow it's explained in jury instructions and ends up looming large in their brains even though it wasn't discussed at trial. It's messed up.

[polichick]

4. I'm here in Floriduh and feel like apologizing to every black person I see...

Wish the values and practices of the state matched its beauty.

[RKP5637]

27. Yep, there's definitely a gap! n/t

[geek tragedy]

5. i guess if they see a white guy with a gun, they are allowed to shoot him under SYG nt

[RKP5637]

28. Yep, some of these guys seem to have declared open warfare on blacks and they go

looking for trouble to instigate a situation. If Zimmerman had not been there, nothing would have happened. If this guy Dunn had not been there, nothing would have happen. IMO these jerks want confrontation and then use SYG to backup and justify their outrageous actions.

[Blue_Tires]

6. I had arrived at a similar conclusion last summer...

[dilby]

7. I blame the prosecutor. I don't see how the First Degree Murder was going to stick. n/t

[DonViejo]

9. According to a DU'er that is also a former Prosecutor...

Dunn walking back to his car and retrieving the gun from the glove compartment IS premeditation = first degree murder.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024507361#post11

[dilby]

12. Still a stretch. If the prosecutor thought he was guilty of 1st degree murder they

should have also charged him with 1st degree attempted murder for the other 3 instead of 2nd degree attempted murder. The problem is with the prosecution, I am sure he would have been found guilty of 2nd degree murder since he was found guilty of the 2nd degree attempted murders.

[hfojvt]

21. I thought the jury HAD the option

to convict of 2nd degree murder.

If they could be polled, maybe that was the sticking point. Some of them were adamant it should be first degree murder and some were adamant that it should be 2nd degree murder, so they were not unanimous. Even though none of them thought it should be "not guilty".

[dilby]

25. Does anyone know for fact if the Jury could have changed it to 2nd Degree?

I know the prosecutor wanted 1st degree murder but I did not know if the Jury could have gone with a lesser degree.

[Diamonique]

23. They did.

The murder charge and the attempted murder charges all started with 1st degree and had the options of 2nd degree and manslaughter. The jury couldn't come to a conclusion on the murder charge because at least one juror believed Dunn's lies and was stuck on self defense/not guilty.

But with the attempted murder charges, they didn't see it as 1st degree but they all agreed on 2nd degree.

They had those options of degrees on both the murder and attempted murder charges.

[ieoeja]

36. Or one juror did not believe Dunn's lies, but is tickled pink that Dunn killed a Black kid. n/t

[upaloopa]

10. That's because all the evidence was not used

Dunn's racial remarks and writings lead me to think the shooting was premeditated once here saw the youths in the car and heard their music. The fact that the killing didn't even bother him enough to call 911. He went and got a pizza. He was a cold hearted killer.

[dilby]

11. That may be the case but the prosecutor failed.

The prosecutor went for a big win and failed, they got the smaller things to stick but if they would have gone for 2nd degree murder he would have been found guilty.

[oldandhappy]

13. Move out of the state!

Grief. Do not understand why anyone of any color stays in Florida. But certainly people of color need to get out of there.

[Baitball Blogger]

16. But then the terrorists win.

Seriously, where would we be today if minorities just buckled under the pressure? If the Civil Rights era teaches us anything, it is that we need to make a stand and hit them with numbers.

[oldandhappy]

88. You are nice and hopeful and realistic.

I am ready to let them wash their own dishes! Nothing will change unless we have a real up-rising. Watching the House and knowing there are votes there for changes and seeing a few keep the country hostage makes me crazy. Oh well. I will recover my hope and forge ahead, smile.

[Cha]

15. That is so unbearably

sad to read.

mahalo DV

[napkinz]

17. the f'ed up lesson of SYG ...

[hfojvt]

18. RACE WAR!!!!

Isn't that what she is hinting at, and pushing for?

How should black people respond?? Hmmm.

Because two young black males have been killed by non-black people. And even though thousands of young black males and females are killed by black people, the deaths of these TWO mean that young black people are just not safe in Florida.

Because with 1,009 homicides in 2012 and with 13,000 assaults with a firearm in Florida, only these two incidents are the ones that prove that no young black person is safe from white people, or non-black people.

I also love how somebody blasts loud music in a public place is "harrassed" by somebody who tells them to turn it down.

[bravenak]

29. Why do you have to go there?

Nobody said race war but you. Why do you want a race war?


You know what proves that black people in America aren't safe from white people in America?

HISTORY.

[JustAnotherGen]

34. I love you bravenak

You responded exactly as I wanted to when I read that.

[bravenak]

37. Love you too, Gen.

Struck me as strange as hell. Race war?? He must have seen the 2 guys from the black panther redux, and got fearful. Gotta hand it to those black panther guys, they might win this race war with out throwing a blow.

[JustAnotherGen]

38. And the real funny

Is that those two black panthers were in a black neighborhood, in an all black voting precint - and that's the absolute WORST place to start a race war . . . amongst one's own!

[bravenak]

41. Shhhh!

Don't tell THEM that. Some people need a race war. Maybe they were just voting? That's what I though they were doing, making sure everybody got to vote.

A race war in the blackest polling station in Philly? Must be another light skin/ dark skin war. Hutu and the Tutsis are not in Pennsylvania.

[JustAnotherGen]

42. I personally

Know a Twa immigrant from Rwanda (eta) that lives in Drexel PA. Shhhhhhhhh - don't tell anyone about the 'third way'.

[bravenak]

46. Immigration.

If they keep killing us, we import some Africans. ( I know that's not funny but I can't help laughing)

[JustAnotherGen]

75. Oh my!

[Moonwalk]

45. Bravo.

[hfojvt]

50. you should be asking the writer at Salon that

Because I don't want a race war.

Like presumably most white people, I am quite happy that the trigger-happy Mr. Dunn will spend the rest of his days in prison.

I'm the only one saying it?

Well, what does this imply? "Since Florida cannot defend black life against white fear, the question now is: How should black people respond?"

And what about the first reply to the thread which answered as to how black people should respond? "Not defenseless".

Yep, arm themselves and be ready for war.

But I'm the only one saying it.

[bravenak]

61. No you said, RACE WAR!! I'm asking you, you deflect it if you want to.

You and only you said that.
Not defenseless for black people means race war? But for white people ' not defenseless' doesn't mean race war?

White people started the 'race war' by killing natives in droves, driving them off the land, stealing and enslaving black humans, and now your hoping to tell me that an article from a writer for Salon or a comment from a poster that says ' not defenseless' is the real 'race war'??

If white people are armed and dangerous, and still getting away with killing black men, why are black folks in the wrong for arming themselves in defense of these crazy child killers?? Is this a case of its okay when white people do it, but if black people do it, RACE WAR!?!?

The race war started when the natives were killed for their land, and continued with slavery, and now here we are.
Stop blaming black people for the white mans racism. White people are the only people in America who benefited from racism historically. They built that.

[dilby]

74. What about people who imigrated here after slavery was abolished?

My family did not come till after the 1920's and they did not benefit from racism since they were hated on for being Jewish.

[bravenak]

109. I was talking about the people who benefit from racism.

Jews do not benefit from racism as far as I can see. As much as the KKK and white separatists hate blacks, they hate Jews just a bit more. I have no idea why, I can't explain it to you. One of them told me once, but it was so convoluted I couldn't understand what it had to do with Jewish people. But basically they think Jews run the world or something like that, and they even infiltrated Game of Thrones and made the blondes the bad guys and the Starks the good guys with magic wolves and magical powers, cause the Starks are Jews and the Lannisters are German? I told you it doesn't make sense. The Author also disagrees. He's a lapsed catholic. Haters hate for hates sake. They can't help it.

[hfojvt]

81. no the article framed it that way

blacks vs. whites.

And what are black people supposed to do?

A popular DU answer is - arm themselves.

Well, here's what Martin Luther King said after his house, with his wife and baby daughter in it, was bombed during the Montgomery Bus Boycott.

"If you have weapons, take them home, if you do not have them, please do not seek to get them. We cannot solve the problem through retaliatory violence. We must meet violence with nonviolence. Remember the words of Jesus 'He who lives by the sword will perish by the sword' I then urged them to leave peacefully. "We must love our white brothers," I said "no matter what they do to us. We must make them know that we love them. Jesus still cries out in words that echo across the centuries: 'love your enemies; bless them that curse you; pray for them that despitefully use you' This is what we must live by. We must meet hate with love."


And Good Lord, I cannot even start with your whole "white people suck" view of history.

Clearly though, I need to get back to work on my book.

But just as clearly, no amount of facts and reasoning are gonna sway you.

[bravenak]

83. No one suggested retaliatory violence, or price tags attacks.

That's where your mind went.
What I got from the article is, be prepared to fight for your life. Defend yourselves, America won't do it for you. They won't and haven't.

My view of white people throughout history is fact based and realistic. You can't say I'm lying about the history of America. It's ugly, but it's honest.

Dr. Martin Luther King was a Christian and a clergyman. I am an atheist. I don't meet that hate with love, I'm more Malcolm X than Dr. King. By any means necessary. My mean are my words, and they hurt when I lay it out.

I accuse America of racism. Not all Americans, just the system, and the racists who benefit from the system. America needs to change if America doesn't want to hear my mouth anymore.

[socialist_n_TN]

90. Nice words. Now, what did Malcolm X say?.....

nm

[oldhippie]

76. Really? Why do you want a race war?

I read that post VERY carefully and he in NO WAY said, implied, inferred or any way else he wanted a race war.

I usually agree with most of your posts, and take your posts seriously, but you just fell into the mode used so often by your cohorts. Making stuff up. I thought you were better than that. I think you should apologize to hfojvt.

[bravenak]

80. The reason I said that was because he was the only one who brought up race war.

Nobody else said that so I attributed the need or want for a race war to the person who said it first.


It's stupid in the extreme to shout out RACE WAR!! Just because someone said not defenseless.
Never scream fire in a theater unless there's a fire. Don't shout race war, unless there's a race war.

What do you mean by cohorts? Did you mean black people?
I never make stuff up. I don't need to. If I want to give somebody the business, they give me the ammunition I need to do so.

Next time black people think about getting armed to protect themselves from violent murder and someone screams RACE WAR!! I'll call them out on it too.

The race war in America started long ago, before our time and it was not started by black people getting guns.


If he shouted RACE WAR when white people buy guns to protect themselves from 'thugs' then I wouldn't say shit. White people have the most guns and KKK and many other white terrorist organizations and I don't see anyone accusing them of trying to start a race war. Even though they say themselves that they want a race war.

There you go, I explained it. Take it how ever you like it.

[oldhippie]

82. OK. Lesson learned. nt

[Boom Sound 416]

91. History? Drama much

[bravenak]

95. Facts on my side.

No need to hide.


The history of America is filled with violent racism against groups of humans who were considered lesser thans. Let's us begin with the near annihilation of the native Americans...
http://www.unitednativeamerica.com/aiholocaust.html
Let us move on to the enslavement of black Africans....
http://www.abhmuseum.org/category/galleries/
Internment camps for Asians.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_American_internment

There's so much more.
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Look at the happy smiling people, they look so proud.
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This is our HISTORY.

[Boom Sound 416]

96. You left out a few things, but why screw up a good rant

[bravenak]

97. Left out plenty. You should thank me, really you should.

I usually charge people for lessons, but this time I'll charge it to the game. You're welcome.

[Boom Sound 416]

100. ...

[bravenak]

101. Bless your heart.

[Boom Sound 416]

104. What a completely narcissist perspective

As if anyone here is on the other side

[bravenak]

110. You said ' Drama Much'

To my HISTORY.
You were calling me dramatic for saying history shows that black people have reason to be afraid of white people. We'd have reason to fear for our lives, because of history.

I wasn't being dramatic, I just didn't sugar coat it for you so that it went down smoothly.
Narcissism is something I gather you are very familiar with. It shows.

[Boom Sound 416]

112. Your generalization is just a little stale

[uponit7771]

107. Like 6 months ago History not 60 years ago history...

[Boom Sound 416]

108. Really, keeping reading then

[bravenak]

111. Profound statement.

I do declare.

[Boom Sound 416]

113. ...

[kwassa]

116. Do you have any clue what you are talking about?

I don't think you have the faintest idea of what bravenak is saying.

She is absolutely 100% correct.

[uponit7771]

106. +1

[heaven05]

47. trollish comment

[onpatrol98]

58. What a world???

Never in a million years would I walk up to SOMEONE ELSE'S CAR and ask them to do anything with THEIR OWN RADIO.

I might sit there and think....what a jerk. Kids are so inconsiderate. This is it in a nutshell. That was Zimmerman, also. He had all the rights...Trayvon Martin had none.

I get annoyed with loud music. There have been time when I've seen people walk by and not known who they were...but, I realize I share a world with OTHER PEOPLE. I honestly do not believe I have the right to run down people I don't know and ask them what they're doing in my neighborhood.

I really don't think I have the right to walk up to a stranger's car and demand anything.

I hear people saying on DU that they walk into places and demand that channels be changed. It's just not in me. I sit there and tolerate the nonessential decisions made by others and simply recognize that I live in a shared place where opinions differ. Then when I go to my own house, I watch what I want to watch.

Help me. Are these examples of privilege?

PS. Did I mention I don't heckle, either?

[phil89]

65. Even prosecution

witnesses said Trayvon attacked Zimmerman. Bad example.

[onpatrol98]

87. Well, buddy...

I do believe you are incorrect. There were witnesses who saw a fight where Trayvon was supposedly on top at some point. I do not believe people who stalk others should be surprised if a fight ensues at some point.

I believe there are people who believe they have an implicit right to follow and kill black people, Phil. Zimmerman is my example of someone who seemed to think his actions were appropriate.

Are we disagreeing here, Phil? Is it your suggestion, that what Zimmerman did was wise?

In fact, let's take it further, Phil? If my son walks through your neighborhood, would you follow him around?

[Boom Sound 416]

93. You asked for it

You gave them data and they really got pissed. It seems to only happen on this issue but it's consistent.

[bravenak]

99. They.

They. Them. Those. That one. It's all the same.

[ecstatic]

115. In response to your "stats"

"Homicides overwhelmingly happen among people who know each other," he said. "There are relatively few absolutely straight-up stranger homicides.

Yes, it’s true that the majority of black murder victims are murdered by blacks, but the same holds true for whites: Most whites are murdered by whites.

http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2013/jul/17/tweets/look-statistic-blacks-and-murder/

With those facts in mind, the vast majority of people (including black people) aren't dodging bullets. There's a sense (or, at least there was a sense) that as long as you avoid high crime areas, avoid mentally unstable gun-owners, and avoid confrontations with the police, you probably won't get shot. However, the message coming out of the latest Florida cases is that a black person, even when in the safest community, can be stalked, confronted, and killed (lynched) by random gun owners.

[seveneyes]

20. Open season?

Is there merit for such a proclamation? I may have missed some sting of murders that fit this description, but at last count there are two murders and one of the killers is going to prison for life. What other string of murders am I missing?

[Skip Intro]

24. What a load of sensationalistic crap. n/t

[DonViejo]

35. White guy in denial? eom

[heaven05]

60. "what a load of sensationalist crap"

that's what people say when they try to deflect the truth.

[Boom Sound 416]

92. +1

Give them the data and they really get pissed.

[bravenak]

32. The string of murders of Black Americans will end when racism ends. Probably never.

They never loved us anyway, they just wanted us for our strength and our labor, and once we were no longer owned by them, the lynchings intensified.
We need to start teaching the ugly dirty history of our country and stop white washing it.
I also think that if all eligible black people got CCW's, there would be even more shootings. Only it wouldn't always be one of us that died, but the system would ensure that a black man would not get away with shooting up a car full of white kids.

Racism against black people and native Americans is an American Tradition and favorite pastime for some.
It's time for the dominant race, for white people to get together and end racism and prejudice once and for all. Only those that benefit from this terrible American tradition can end it.

[JustAnotherGen]

56. Very good point

It's time for the dominant race, for white people to get together and end racism and prejudice once and for all. Only those that benefit from this terrible American tradition can end it.

We didn't create it.

[bonniebgood]

33. Does anyone believe that the

prosecutors office in Fla hasn't been bought and paid for by the gun lobby and koch brothers?
These prosecutors cannot and will not allow "the camel to stick his nose under the tent" by bringing race into these trials because a guilty verdict will set precedent that a white man can be found guilty of racism. I'll bet you dollars to teabags that there were five whites guys deciding this verdict behind close doors.

[Egalitarian Thug]

39. Leave. There's nothing there that isn't way better someplace else. One nation cannot contain

so many completely incompatible world views and a split is going to happen. So, which side of the line do you want to be on when it does?

[bravenak]

48. LEAVE??

No. The racists should leave. They forced us here they can go. One nation must contain this many world views or else we are ALL fucked in the game. The old way is dying, no one would have remarked on this in the 70's, we are all so used to racism is in our founding documents.


Whatever you are trying to say sounds terrible.

[Egalitarian Thug]

55. That strategy might work if there were enough sane people there to make it possible,

but there aren't, not nearly. Do what you like, it makes little difference except in what you and yours will experience.

You do seem to grasp the gravity of the situation, but I'm afraid that you are still clinging to a fantasy doomed to catastrophic failure.

The only way for two diametrically views to coexist is for the holders of one to suppress the holders of the other, and that inevitably fails.

[bravenak]

63. No. People have to grow the hell up and stop trying to have privilege over others.

We are at the tail end of white dominance and it is in it's death throes. This is the result of hundreds of years of white male dominance dying in a short time span. It's scary for some people.

[Egalitarian Thug]

72. I suppose you're young enough to believe that might happen.

Here's hoping you're right.


(I'd still get out, though)

[bravenak]

78. We have no where else to go.

Don't even know what tribes we belong to, or which part of Africa to go to.
My generation is nothing like their grandparents generation. Racism embarrasses white people in their 20's and 30's, it's hard for them to embrace that crap. Racists lost the war long time ago, Tupac might have given it the death blow. These final battles are all they have left, when they die, it's done. They weren't able to endoctrinate their children sufficiently to prevent them from marrying us and having children.
One of my best friends ran away from her father in Indiana because he took her to a Klan rally. She jumped out of the window to escape, and broke both ankles. She just couldn't handle what they were saying, it drove her nuts. He could not make her into a racist, no matter what he did. She just ended up hating him and marrying a black guy. She send Christmas cards every year and he loves his grandchildren and dropped out of the Klan.

That's how this ends. Sex.

[heaven05]

49. might be a good thing.

I could handle all the racists, moved to idaho, montana, wyoming.

[kelliekat44]

51. Can every black yout now shoot first in fear of being shot? Does every white man look like a

potential killer? SYG has to work both ways in FL or the law should be overturned...which is what I am hoping.

[jtuck004]

54. A massive concealed carry sign up program, and never go anywhere alone.

That should take care of some of the voting issues as well, since the states seem to be more inclined to give and accept CCW licenses for voting than driver's licenses.

[azureblue]

57. maybe SYG

was not intended to be used as a justification to shoot blacks, but that is what it is being used for now. And the lame ass prosecutors down there, and their hidden racism, are being exposed for what they are. You don't have to be black to see what is going on, and I don't like it a bit.

[albino65]

59. I swear it's going to come to this:

Harlem 1964
Watts 1965
Cleveland 1966
Detroit 1967
Baltimore 1968

This list is not inclusive, but it gives an inkling of what's ahead. Those who continue to ignore this do so at their own peril. People are getting tired of this crap, and it will not take much for the tipping point to be reached. Then it will be hard to stop it.

[bravenak]

67. Los Angeles

1992

[albino65]

84. agreed n/t

[idendoit]

89. My dad was a Bircher.

When I first heard about the Martin murder, it took me back to his influence on me as a youngster. I thought: Man, if I were black in Florida, I'd arm myself and shot the first jerk that looked at me wrong. I realized again how deeply ingrained that racism is I was exposed to when I was young.

[LittleBlue]

94. Wait, open season? Wasn't Dunn convicted?

On just the attempted murders alone, he'll get 60 years, which is far longer than he'll live. He's getting retried for murder, as the sticking point was premeditation, and he would likely have gone down for 2nd degree murder.

I don't understand how that could be construed as "open season". One bad verdict in the Zimmerman trial creates no more of an "open season" than OJ's crazy trial created an "open season" on women, or Casey Anthony's on babies.

That OP is a load of illogical hyperbole.

[ileus]

98. Everyone concerned with personal safety could consider CC.

Regardless of color.

[LeftyMom]

114. That's moronic.