WTF? Kansas bill would allow teachers to beat children to the point of leaving bruises.

[Cali_Democrat]

A Democratic lawmaker in Kansas says that her bill allowing teachers, caregivers and parents to beat children to point of leaving bruises is about restoring parental rights, not abusing children.

State Rep. Gail Finney’s (D) bill expands current law, which allows spanking without leaving marks.

According to KCTV, the new legislation would permit teachers, caregivers and parents to strike children up to 10 times, and leave redness or even bruising.

McPherson Deputy County Attorney Britt Colle, who proposed the idea to Finney, told KCTV that the measure actually protected children by defining what parents were not allowed to do.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/02/18/kansas-spanking-bill-would-allow-teachers-and-parents-to-leave-bruises/

[warrior1]

1. Aid and abetting assaults?

This can't be a real Democrat.

[Pretzel_Warrior]

2. This person should be arrested for aiding and abbeting child abuse

twisted motherfuckers.

[Fred Sanders]

27. The District Attorney who brought this forward as a good idea, 10 assaults is legal, 11 is not(?)...

these demented souls SHOULD be arrested, but then again so should Ted Nugent, Peter King, Michelle Bachmann, Ted Cruz, etc. etc.; makes the arrest of the Venezuelan opposition politician something to think about because that guy was talking the same insane hate talk about HIS duly elected democratic government.

[Pretzel_Warrior]

37. there always seems to be something "off" about your posts

haven't figurd it out yet. But I don't think the Ted Nugents, Peter Kings, et al are in any jeopardy of being arrested for their backward and hateful worldviews. They're just going to lose more and more elections and power.
Sucks to be a Republican these days, doesn't it?

[TheMathieu]

3. That (D) next to her name should be removed. nt

[joeybee12]

5. No, because it probbaly stands for Dumbass...

Which is actually too kind of a word to describe her.

[TheMathieu]

6. Yes. Extremely unfair to dumbasses.

[joeybee12]

11. And I apologize to dumbasses everywhere! nt

[TBF]

4. This country is going

backwards so fast I don't even recognize it.

[subterranean]

50. Kansas is leading the way.

[chowder66]

7. I see finger pointing in the future if this passes.

Parents who abuse their children or "discipline" will say Teachers are doing it and visa versa.

Lawsuits up the wazoo... while children are being battered. This bill is sooooo messed up.

Many of my old friends moved to Kansas for the schools since Missouri's had gotten so bad. Wonder if they are moving again or moving back to MO after all of the articles I have been seeing about KS.

[arcane1]

8. How is it "restoring parental rights" to let a teacher bruise someone's child?

[2naSalit]

32. That part didn't make sense

to me either.

indeed.

Wonder how long this will last when pissed off parent come to school with their legal gunz and fix that problem?

[sakabatou]

9. WTF indeed

[MissB]

10. However she wants to spin it, it is still child abuse.

And there is no need for it.

[rollin74]

59. oh, she's trying to spin it

she has a message on her website due to the "overwhelming response"

http://www.gailfinney.com/

she is actually trying to justify this as the legal definition of "parental corporal discipline"

[theHandpuppet]

12. Unbelievable

What the hell is wrong with our society? Why are so many people just so damn violent? It's utterly out of control.

[cali]

15. we have lots of microsociieties. that would no more get proposed in the VT

legislature than a bill saying life begins at conception would.

Never happen.

[okaawhatever]

13. I'm not sure she's a Democrat, I think maybe she went so far right she came back around the other

side. By Kansas standards, she's probably a liberal Democrat.

[RKP5637]

41. Many democrats in Kansas are worse than republicans. They are a whole new breed. One is

better off working with a moderate republican if one can be found. D next to a name in Kansas generally means nothing, many have moved so far rightward trying to hang onto their seats, what's left of them.

[cali]

14. jaysus wept. and so do I. fucking stupid cruel piece of dog shit pol- and a dem

[shenmue]

16. Yipes

Is everyone insane?

[neverforget]

17. Because beating kids will correct their behavior

[DebJ]

56. THIS! n/t

[MuseRider]

18. Yes a Democrat and not alone

one of them also helped write the Religious Freedom Bill that was so discriminatory. She also helped (Jan Pauls, not Finney) with the Surrogate Bill and is against Abortion and I believe Birth Control but don't hold me to that last one for sure.

It was a moderate Republican who brought our amendments to the floor to try to stop the RFRA bill, NOT a Democrat. Our Democratic house leader said there were more important things to do and that the Religious Freedom Bill that was so damned discriminatory was a distraction. He is also our only hope against Brownback.

We have been down so many rabbit holes we are dizzy. The people are rumbling, if the Dems don't take advantage of this and stop doing all this stupid shit they are going to lose even the few seats that they have.

[Bandit]

19. If this is what Democrats propose then they deserve to lose

Shame on America...Shame

[MuseRider]

23. I agree with you.

It is awful hard to know where and what to do. Basically I follow the policy not the party. You just can't. When a moderate Republican supports the more liberal side than the Democrats you just have to move with it. Until this damned state gets out from under the Koch brothers and the Talibornagains you can't ever tell how anything will turn out or who will turn next.

[Ed Suspicious]

36. The grown ups in the room know, like the blue dogs

and their backwards fiscal ideas, we can't get Dems elected if we don't allow, neigh, endorse the beating of children.

[arely staircase]

38. so Democrats more conservative than me are for beating children? nt

[Ed Suspicious]

39. Apparently some are. In Kansas they are.

[Ed Suspicious]

40. It was sarcasm.

[arely staircase]

43. ah thanks nt

[Lifelong Protester]

20. This is just nuts.

Digusting. I don't even want to know the backstory on this.

[Jefferson23]

21. Meet State Representative Gail Finney

Representative Gail Finney is in her third term in the Kansas House. Her legislative assignments in Topeka include:

Assignments 2014 Session

Committees:


House Appropriations
House Corrections and Juvenile Justice
House Transportation and Public Safety Budgets, Ranking Democrat

http://www.gailfinney.com/meet-gail.html


* This needs to be challenged, big time...she is dangerously dead wrong on this subject.

[rollin74]

55. here is her facebook page also

https://www.facebook.com/RepFinney

[Jefferson23]

60. Thanks, have you seen her recent response? She needs to be stopped..it's disgusting.

Wichita Rep. Gail Finney Responds To Concerns Regarding 'Spanking Bill'

By Kate Clause

Due to the overwhelming response regarding proposed legislation clarifying corporal discipline, Representative Gail Finney of Wichita has released a statement to clarify her proposed bill.

Finney says while parental corporal discipline in Kansas has always been permitted in the state, it's never been defined in Kansas statute.

This omission has left the interpretation to administrative officials in the executive branch, law enforcement personnel, and the judicial branch.

Finney says the bill is intended to give guidance to these officials and serve as a guideline for parents, not to legalize child abuse in Kansas.

Many people have expressed concern over the House Bill 2699.

The bill would allow parents to administer 10 strikes of the open hand palm and that could leave redness and bruising. It would also allow parents to give permission to others to spank their children.

It would continue to ban hitting a child with fists, in the head or body, or with a belt or switch.

Current Kansas law allows spanking that doesn't leave marks.

http://kmuw.org/post/wichita-rep-gail-finney-responds-concerns-regarding-spanking-bill

[rollin74]

61. yeah. I read her statement

this is the part that got me:

"This legislation is intended to (i) provide guidance to state officials in the administrative and judicial branches; (ii) serve as a guideline to parents; and (iii) protect Kansas children from abuse"

http://www.gailfinney.com/

how the hell is telling an adult it's ok to leave marks or bruises on a child protecting them from abuse??

[Jefferson23]

62. Upside down world. I don't know if her district is so conservative that she is hearing requests for

such a vile thing..or she is an abuser herself. There are a percentage of Americans that believe
this conduct is acceptable...it should be against the law.

Her facebook has some noted remarks for the legislation she is pushing...she needs to
hear more. Where are the child advocates of Kansas? The APA etc..everyone should be
challenging her. There is no data to support treating children like this, it is sick.

[rollin74]

63. good news. the bill is dead!

http://www.kansas.com/2014/02/19/3298783/kansas-spanking-bill-will-not.html

[Jefferson23]

66. Fantastic...and now the true child advocates in Kansas need to push for a Democratic

rep who would never consider these hideous acts and try to give them legal cover.

thank you for posting the update!

[Blue_Tires]

22. Won't that just indirectly spur more kiddie shooting rampages?

[Sky Masterson]

24. I need to move out of this Shit-hole state!

People are fucked here!

[tblue37]

30. No, please don't. We NEED your vote! nt

[arely staircase]

25. Isn't the Kansas Leg the one trying to pass the refuse service to LGBT citizens? nt

[Cali_Democrat]

34. Yes. nt

[RKP5637]

44. Yep, same place, and not long ago they also tried to deny medical services to LGBT if

one thought they might be LGBT and thus could refuse to medically assist them, just like that. It is a place to stay away from. We all escaped, we saw it going down the drain with the rise of Brownbackistan.

[arely staircase]

45. it is sort of how I don't go to Hobby Lobby

but I wouldn't really call it a boycott.

[RKP5637]

47. I use to go to Hobby Lobby before I learned all about them. I was so naive, I thought they

were just another store.

[Nanjing to Seoul]

26. Arizona still allows and sanctions corporal punishment. Spare the rod, spoil the child.

When I was in school, if an administrator or teacher tried that one me, they would have pulled back a broken, bloody stump.

But, luckily, I went to school in the progressive state of New York.

[RKP5637]

46. I would like to be able to give an administrator or teacher 10 wackes with a closed fist with

brass knuckles with no repercussions.

[JoeyT]

28. I don't remember there being a parental right to beat a child to the point of leaving bruises.

What an awful person. I think one of the reasons we find it so hard to progress as a society is that we have to keep fighting the same battles over and over and over. Even the ones no sane person should be trying to reignite. If we can ever get rid of all the regressive asshats that think women and children should be property, we might be able to solve global warming and end world hunger.

[Nanjing to Seoul]

51. You obviously never heard of the "I think my son is gay" law, which allows beating the kid

until bones break in order to beat the gay out of them!

[tblue37]

29. I have to wonder. A number of Republicans, including some politicians,

changed their registration to Dem after the extreme RW Repubs primaried the "moderate" ones and kicked most of them out of the state legislature.

I have to hope this idiot is someone recently converted to Dem, not a long-term Dem, but I fear that is not necessarily so.

[mrchips]

31. This is Child Abuse!

There is NO justification for this. This is not a democrat. This is a moron who thinks this is a good idea!

[one_voice]

33. Law or not..

if someone put their hands on my kids (when they were in school) I'd need bail money. That's all I'm saying.

What the fuck is wrong with people.

[RKP5637]

48. I just don't get it, this is state sanctioned child abuse! They should be charged with

child abuse. WTF is next, state sanctioned water boarding in schools!

[one_voice]

52. this is state sanctioned child abuse!

....yep that's exactly what it is.

Back in the day Catholic schools use to use corporal punishment. By the time I was went they'd pretty much stopped. Some still did it and got away with it.

I had a nun put hot sauce and an eraser in my mouth for talking in class--I was in second grade. She cracked my knuckles with a ruler too. I thought my mom was going to need bail money..lol. Thank gawd my dad was with her cuz he literally held her back. Needless to say that was my last day at that school.

[Wolf Frankula]

35. Is Kansas a Stand Your Ground State?

Do minors have that right? Then when a teacher, or a parent assaults, a child has the right to stand her/his ground, and use lethal force to protect him/herself.

A few teachers blown away, and the law will change.

Wolf

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

42. That was my first thought...

If my kid comes home with bruises from a teacher, there's going to be trouble and lots of it.

[RKP5637]

49. Same here!

[3catwoman3]

53. Jesus H...

...WTF is WRONG with people????

[PowerToThePeople]

54. If someone beat my child, I would beat them. n/t

[MadrasT]

57. Legalized child abuse.

Well and truly batshit crazy.

What the fuck is wrong with people?

[Adrahil]

58. ANYBODY....

who strikes my child ONCE, much less to the point of bruising, has a world of hurt headed their way.

[rollin74]

65. Spanking bill dies in Kansas House committee

http://www.kansas.com/2014/02/19/3298783/kansas-spanking-bill-will-not.html