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(45,274 posts)fucking for chastity.
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(4,185 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)Rwanda.
Yugoslavia.
Central African Republic
And dozens and dozens more. Places where people just get exterminated, slaughtered because they're Tutsi or Muslim or Christian or whatthefuckever.
No, I don't think the U.S. using force is the answer
but cute slogans sure don't work either.
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(23,926 posts)pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)Because I believe that there are things worth fighting for, and worth dying for.
I think you know what I mean, Brother.
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(23,926 posts)linuxman
(2,337 posts)My fondest memories are of my great uncle telling me how he jumped into France the night before D-Day and peaced the Nazis right out of the war.
You don't fight War and destruction with flowers and violins. Some people/countries can't be reasoned with. Gandhi was successful because he was opposing a moral, modern, and democratic government. Had India been occupied by Hitler, Gandhi would have been a footnote in history, smeared on the tracks on a Panzer III.
Violence isn't always the answer, but it is often enough to remain valid.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)I'm sure those police will be so moved by her rendition of Tocata in Fuge that htey just go go, just pack it all up and go to curl up on hte couch.
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)There would be peace. The killers would own the world and they would have everything they wanted without any opposition.
But that's not really peace, is it?
Glassunion
(10,201 posts)There is also a time for war.
The trick is to exhaust all options before choosing the latter.
zipplewrath
(16,646 posts)War is what you do after you've missed all your choices to do the right thing.
I'm not going to argue that there is, nor never will be a reason to go to war. But after a lifetime of watching us go to war, and studying how we have gotten into so many wars over 200+ years, I'm beginning to get to the place that basically says that war happens because no one cares enough, early enough, to stop it.
WWII and Hitler happened because of the way WWI ended. WWI ended the way it did because of the way it was fought. It was fought at all because people didn't care about peace and didn't sort out all of the overlapping alliances that existed and feared each other. They feared each other because of the history behind the 100 years war and the Hapsburg wars.
The pattern you see forming here is that wars are the out growth of the previous war. You can claim that you are going to war to solve something, but it is inescapable that you are ALSO setting up the next war. Our Iraq 1 set the stage for Iraq 2 (1.1). The second version has contributed directly to the civil war that's been going on in Iraq ever since. Syria flows into its neighbors and starts wars there.
To break the pattern, one must break the cycle. Do everything one can to NOT fight the next war. One might even have to die in the effort to NOT start the next war. Instead of defending this nation with a gun, defend it with diplomacy. Die in the service to diplomacy instead of to ones comrades in arms. You might die in a consul in Bengazi or a field office in Yemen. Is that some how worse that dying bombing a wedding party in Afghanistan?
It is a presumption of our modern culture that violence can be used as a "solution" to conflict. Evidence seems to suggest that it does not resolve conflict, but tends to suppress it, until it explodes in another context.