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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsMeet Obama's latest Trade Stooge, Mike Froman
Replacing Obama's previous Trade Representative, corporate stooge Ron Kirk (who successfully pushed the KORUS USA/S. Korean trade pact, a complete and utter failure for the US economy and workers), Froman spoke in front of the Center For American Progress, pimping for fast track trade authorization so that Obama can quickly ratify the guaranteed American job-killing Trans-Pacific Partnership.
It was as though Obama's trade representative were speaking on behalf of the US Chamber of Commerce.
White House rep responds to liberal backlash against free trade deals
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2014/02/18/white-house-rep-responds-to-liberal-backlash-against-free-trade-deals/
At the Center for American Progress, Froman argued that critics of the administration's current trade push are replaying the debates of the early 90s -- rather than acknowledging that trade policy needs to catchup with the advance of the internet, other technolgy, the rise of China, and a general reshaping of global commerce over the past quarter century. There is, he insisted, a way to build trade agreements that can advance labor and environmental standards, build middle class incomes in the U.S., and be profitable for American companies -- not, as critics argue, simply streamline their ability to offshore...U.S. imports may, for example, displace some U.S. workers if factories migrate abroad, but they also provide jobs in poorer developing countries
1) "Froman argued that critics of the administration's current trade push are replaying the debates of the early 90s" -- Means that the TPP's opponents have learned from history and know that these corporate-written trade deals have destroyed the US
2) "rather than acknowledging that trade policy needs to catchup with the advance of the internet, other technolgy" -- whatever the hell that means, similar to the type of embarrassing attempts at political and social commentary you see written in college op-eds
3) "the rise of China" - Yes, the rise of China -- made completely possible by the Clinton/GOP granting of MFN status to China. And deepened by Obama's cowardly refusal to label China a currency manipulator.
4) "There is, he insisted, a way to build trade agreements that can advance labor and environmental standards" -- If you've followed how these trade deals have been sold to the American public over the past decades, you're certain to have encountered many, many times over how politicians and trade representatives and corporate people and like-minded shills in the mainstream media pontificate that the deals should and will include such-and-such "protections" and "promises" and "stipulations" which will supposedly lift other nation's labor policies and environmental standards to match that of the United States.
By practice, this bull$hit is always spouted to placate critics -- and it is always ignored in practice the nanosecond the agreements are signed. As far as US trade policy is concerned, the mutual "advancement" of labor and environmental standards with bowl-of-rice-a-day cheap labor nations never happens -- ever. Whenever you hear or read anybody speak about "making sure trade deals include labor and environmental standards and protections", know that that person is simply bull$hitting you, giving you a progressive-sounding sales pitch. As another DUer has noted, it is nothing more than unenforceable window-dressing to sell your livelihood down the river.
5) "build middle class incomes in the U.S." -- Froman and his ilk have long noses
6)"and be profitable for American companies" -- if by "American companies", Froman means "multinational corporations", then yes, the TPP will be profitable. If anything, these trade deals simply increase market monopolies for a few corporations at the expense of all other business
7) "U.S. imports may, for example, displace some U.S. workers if factories migrate abroad" -- Biggest lie ever told about these trade deals' effect on the national economy which never fails to get repeated over and over and over again: that the only ones who suffer and lose their jobs are a few individual factory workers. In truth, the economies of entire cities and even states get decimated when large-scale industry gets shipped overseas. Local and state economies depend on the existence of large-scale industry, even if most people don't work directly for a factory. When the primary industry goes, what happens to the supportive and ancillary businesses and industries? They die, with nothing to replace them.
Why are you poorer than ever before? Why are your incomes declining? Why are Americans fighting each other for what little money's left? Because so much large-scale industry has left the United States, that's why. The raping of America's economy by Wall Street, health insurance companies, and the politicians who cater to them has been made possible because of that.
8) "US imports...also provide jobs in poorer developing countries" -- Nice to know that the US Trade Representative knows where his priorities are.
Bonhomme Richard
(8,997 posts)When the press uses the term liberal I automatically replace it with thinker and it works.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)I am guessing they think that if they support Corp-America, they will be rewarded. Maybe given a dog biscuit and a pat on the head. Pres Obama's corporate puppet says, "The choice, Froman said, is to ignore that reality or navigate it ". That's code for "the lower classes are going to lose their asses, deal with it."
Armstead
(47,803 posts)Their messge is "We can't control the nature of our economy. The best we can do is make it slightly less shitty."
That's bullshit.
Whatever happened to that"can-do" spirit this country is supposedly famous for? I guess it means the 1 percent can do it to the rest of us, with the politicians of both parties doing their bidding.
Progressive dog
(6,899 posts)the one signed by G..W Bush. The U.A.W. and Ford both changed from opposition to the Bush agreement to support of the amended Obama one.
brentspeak
(18,290 posts)and most unions other than the UAW were opposed it, as well:
http://inthesetimes.com/working/entry/7377/south_korea_free_trade_deal_opens_wide_funnel_for_more_exploitation/
Progressive dog
(6,899 posts)just like they did Obama in 2012, and lived happily ever after.
brentspeak
(18,290 posts)having a conservative master.
Progressive dog
(6,899 posts)pampango
(24,692 posts)MFN allowed China to join the WTO which it did at the end of 2001. Russia (the last major country to join) joined in 2012.
From 2001 (the last year that trade with China was not governed by the WTO) we imported about $102 billion from China. In 2011 we imported about $399 billion. Our imports increased by a factor of 4.
In 2001 we imported about $6 from Russia. In 2011 (the last year before Russia joined the WTO) we imported about $34 billion. Our imports increased by a factor of almost 6.
Our imports from China are almost 12 times what they are from Russia (our exports to China are 12.5 times what our exports to Russia are) but China has 10 times the population that Russia has. In 2011 our trade with China was 78% imports and 22% exports, while our trade with Russia was 80% imports and 20% exports.
http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html
I am not sure you can make a case that not joining the WTO would have slowed down China's industrialization or trade growth or improved its environmental record. Not being in the WTO did slow down Russia's trade growth. I see no reason to believe that keeping China out of the WTO would have slowed it down any more than it did Russia.
Romney: "I'm going to declare China a currency manipulator on day 1"
Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)bvar22
(39,909 posts)Sorry, Virginia.
There is no such thing as "Free Trade".
There is no such thing as a "Free Market",
and there is certainly no All Powerful Invisible Hand,
that protects American Workers and Consumers.
The RICH (Corporate Owners) made that shit up in order to:
*Bust Unions
*Drive Down Wages & Benefits for American Workers
*Avoid Environmental and Human Rights Regulations
Their scam has worked PERFECTLY as designed.
It has worked so well, they are trying it again.
I'm not surprised they are trying to sell this scam again,
but I AM surprised that some people are still buying it.
PT Barnum was wrong only in that he vastly underestimated
the rate at which SUCKERS are born in America.
20 years later, and HERE we are:
Study: "Trade" Deal Would Mean a Pay Cut for 90% of U.S. Workers
http://citizen.typepad.com/eyesontrade/2013/09/the-verdict-is-in-the-trans-pacific-partnership-tpp-a-sweeping-free-trade-deal-under-negotiation-with-11-pacific-rim-coun.html
65 percent of working families are living from paycheck to paycheck.
http://billmoyers.com/2014/01/10/why-conservatives-old-divide-and-conquer-strategy-%E2%80%94-setting-working-class-against-the-poor-%E2%80%94-is-backfiring/
Income gap widest ever: 95 Percent of Recovery Income Gains Have Gone to the Top 1 Percent
http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2013/09/10/one_percent_recovery_95_percent_of_gains_have_gone_to_the_top_one_percent.html
Daily CEO Pay Now Exceeds the Average Worker's Annual Salary
http://thecontributor.com/daily-ceo-pay-now-exceeds-us-workers-annual-salary
Billionaire wealth doubles since financial crisis
http://www.upi.com/blog/2013/11/12/Billionaire-wealth-doubles-since-financial-crisis/5011384268135/?spt=hts&or=12
The Top .01 Percent Reach New Heights
http://www.demos.org/blog/9/13/13/top-01-percent-reach-new-heights
Rates of unemployment for families earning less than $20,000 - have topped 21 percent
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_JOBS_GAP_RICH_AND_POOR?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2013-09-16-08-11-23
The Totally Unfair And Bitterly Uneven 'Recovery,' In 12 Charts HuffPo
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023662029
Older Workers:.Set Back by Recession, and Shut Out of Rebound
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/27/booming/for-laid-off-older-workers-age-bias-is-pervasive.html?smid=tw-share&_r=3&
New Rule (Passed by Congress and signed by President Obama) signals Kiss of Death for Pensions
http://www.cnbc.com/id/100694955
Corporate Profits Have Grown By 171 Percent Under Obama -- Highest Rate Since 1900
http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/corporate-profits-have-grown-171-percent-under-obama-highest-rate-1900
Wealthy win lion's share of major tax breaks
http://www.boston.com/business/news/2013/05/29/wealthy-win-lion-share-major-tax-breaks/Ua0UyYle21EUXub7g1suCI/story.html
Corporate Profits Hit Record High While Worker Wages Hit Record Low
http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2012/12/03/1270541/corporate-profits-wages-record/?mobile=nc
THIS ^ does NOT happen by Accident!
Ross was RIGHT!!!
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You will know them by their WORKS.
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Armstead
(47,803 posts)We share your concerns. Now go away and let us do whatever the hell we want.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)FEBRUARY 18, 2014
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Twenty years ago, the idea that labor standards should be part of trade agreements was at best an afterthought.
That was certainly the case in NAFTA. But it is not the case anymore.
As a candidate for President, then-Senator Obama said he would renegotiate NAFTA, put labor and environmental standards at the core of trade agreements and make those standards enforceable like any commercial commitment.
Thats exactly what were doing in TPP, upgrading our trade relationships, not only with Mexico and Canada, but with nine other countries as well.
As in the case of the three trade agreements signed into law by President Obama, in TPP we are seeking to include disciplines requiring adherence to fundamental labor rights, including the right to organize and collectively bargain, and protections from child and forced labor and employment discrimination.
We are pressing for regular consultative mechanisms, and a means for the public to raise labor concerns and demand action.
And we are working to include new commitments to address trade in goods produced by forced labor and regarding acceptable conditions of work.
We are working with Vietnam and the other TPP parties to make sure they live up to the high-standard, enforceable commitments of a final agreement.
Countries such as Vietnam face serious challenges in this regard, and we see TPP as the mechanism most likely to incentivize these countries to make progress in reforming their labor system and upholding worker rights.
We expect that T-TIP will lay the foundation for cooperation with Europe in promoting high-standard labor practices around the world.
But the negotiation of disciplines is only the first step.
We need to remain vigilant as to the implementation of commitments.
Under this President, a joint submission from U.S. and Guatemalan labor unions prompted the first trade-related labor rights enforcement case in history.
- more -
http://www.americanprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Center-for-American-Progress-Remarks-Ambassador-Froman-2-18-14.pdf
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024528844
brentspeak
(18,290 posts)Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)perfectly predictable stenographer.
Union Scribe
(7,099 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)pa28
(6,145 posts)Now the inevitable stream of bullshit "protections" to sell the agreement to the President's own party.
Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)The "President's Men" are all over this, so I thought I'd check in.
jsr
(7,712 posts)Do not accept substitutions.
Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)Let's see how long it takes for the kick to be reported...
jsr
(7,712 posts)Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)we type. Who will be the first to claim the all-important first bonus of the night shift?
Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)jsr
(7,712 posts)The very survival of our democracy depends on this campaign to stamp out heresy and quell the riff raff.
Citizens must know the real approved truth.
Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)Of course in Chelsea's case, it took too much time away from her busy PR schedule, but have no fear, her future is assured.
PowerToThePeople
(9,610 posts)MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)of only 3 or 4 senators who voted against confirming said stooge. Here's what she said:
I believe in transparency and democracy, and I think the U.S. Trade Representative should too.
I asked the President's nominee to be Trade Representative -- Michael Froman - three questions: First, would he commit to releasing the composite bracketed text? Or second, if not, would he commit to releasing just a scrubbed version of the bracketed text that made anonymous which country proposed which provision. (Note: Even the Bush Administration put out the scrubbed version during negotiations around the Free Trade Area of the Americas agreement.)
Third, I asked Mr. Froman if he would provide more transparency behind what information is made to the trade office's outside advisors. Currently, there are about 600 outside advisors that have access to sensitive information, and the roster includes a wide diversity of industry representatives and some labor and NGO representatives too. But there is no transparency around who gets what information and whether they all see the same things, and I think that's a real problem.
Mr. Froman's response was clear: No, no, no. He will not commit to make this information available so the public can track what is going on.
I am voting against Mr. Froman's nomination later today because I believe we need a new direction from the Trade Representative -- A direction that prioritizes transparency and public debate. The American people have the right to know more about the negotiations that will have dramatic impact on the future of the American economy. And that will have a dramatic impact on our working men and women, on the environment, on the Internet.
We should have a serious conversation about our trade policies, because these issues matter. But it all starts with transparency from the U.S. Trade Representative.