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ProSense

(116,464 posts)
Wed Feb 19, 2014, 05:23 PM Feb 2014

VW may reconsider future in South

VW may reconsider future in South

By Steve Benen

When employees at a Volkswagen plant in Chattanooga, Tenn., considered unionization, Republican officials – at the local, state, and national level – pulled out all the stops to prevent it. It was a multifaceted push, but GOP policymakers argued that killing unionization would offer a brighter future – for the plant, the workers, and the whole region.

The argument, dubious or not, worked and the plant workers rejected the opportunity to join the United Automobile Workers union. But in an ironic twist, instead of encouraging VW to do more in Tennessee and the South, it may do the exact opposite.

Volkswagen’s top labor representative threatened today to try to block further investments by the German carmaker in the U.S. South if its workers there are not unionized, Reuters reported today.

“I can imagine fairly well that another VW factory in the United States, provided that one more should still be set up there, does not necessarily have to be assigned to the South again,” said Bernd Osterloh, a member of VW’s powerful supervisory board and head of VW’s works council.

Osterloh, who is also on VW’s supervisory board, added, “If co-determination isn’t guaranteed in the first place, we as workers will hardly be able to vote in favor” of new production facilities in Southern American states.

That’s not exactly the outcome Sen. Bob Corker (R-Tenn.) and his allies presented during the voting process last week.

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Some of the political coverage surrounding the vote characterized it as some kind of proxy fight, with the UAW on one side and Republicans on the other. But let’s not forget that Volkswagen itself didn’t have problem with unionization – Republicans didn’t intervene at the behest of the company; they intervened out of an anti-labor animus, despite the company’s wishes.

It wouldn’t come as too big a shock if top officials at VW noticed and came away unimpressed.

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http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/vw-may-reconsider-future-south



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progressoid

(49,963 posts)
2. Hmm...I'm skeptical.
Wed Feb 19, 2014, 05:53 PM
Feb 2014

If that's the case, why did VW open a plant in TN in the first place? They supposedly went there for the low wages and high anti-union sentiment.

If they do build another plant, it will likely be in another state with low wages and high anti-union sentiment. Just like all the other car manufacturers.



 

Egalitarian Thug

(12,448 posts)
3. Low wages and huge tax incentives. The people of Tenn. paid hundreds of millions to bring
Wed Feb 19, 2014, 06:12 PM
Feb 2014

VW into their state. The willing participants in the race to the bottom aren't the sharpest knives in the drawer as evidenced by so many of their actions over so many years.

 

obxhead

(8,434 posts)
8. Actually VW did encourage the UAW to come in to the plant
Wed Feb 19, 2014, 06:49 PM
Feb 2014

and work with the labor there to form a union.

Tax incentives were their primary reasons for picking the south.

 

silvershadow

(10,336 posts)
4. I would say they are welcome to come to Indiana, which used to be a decent second or
Wed Feb 19, 2014, 06:23 PM
Feb 2014

third in production to Michigan. I won't say it, though, as they sufficiently busted the unions here, ran the jobs to southern states, and along with them a whole bunch of Democrats. Indiana, which used to be politically purple, now votes steadily red. They can come here, but we are now a "right to work for less" state. Between Indiana and Michigan, I'd say if they are thinking of moving north, try Canada? Dunno.

oldandhappy

(6,719 posts)
6. Hope VW has enough clout to bring another vote.
Wed Feb 19, 2014, 06:46 PM
Feb 2014

If they want something different they may have to got o Canada, or stay home! I still love ya, VW. Do not drive you anymore, but my first three vehicles were VW and I drove each of them well over the 100,000 mark.

Botany

(70,483 posts)
7. VW's owners and management wanted a union shop @ their place in TN
Wed Feb 19, 2014, 06:46 PM
Feb 2014

Way to go Sen. Corker!

Please tell me why anybody would vote republican anymore?
They are anti worker, anti middle class, anti science, anti woman,
anti gay, anti public schools, anti environment, anti troop, and they
want to cut SSI and medicare. BTW I had to stop my list because
it would go on and on ..... anti student, anti Hispanic, anti "the common
good," ...

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
12. Come to Washington State. Give people an alternative to Boeing. It's
Wed Feb 19, 2014, 07:17 PM
Feb 2014

really nice up here, near a lot of forests that aren't dying too much yet. Winters have been bad, but as the planet warms up it is getting a bit more balmy in the winter, both on the rainy side and during the 4-seasons on the the other side of the state.

You will have a nice business-oriented union, lots of happy employees, make money. Nasty Republicans are mostly welcome in the less-affluent areas of the state, so they and the skinheads are easier to avoid.

Y'all come!









JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
13. Also, in Seattle workers are educated and skilled. That's more what German companies
Wed Feb 19, 2014, 07:31 PM
Feb 2014

have a reputation for.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
14. German companies are great employers.
Wed Feb 19, 2014, 07:33 PM
Feb 2014

Trade unions in Germany have a history reaching back to the German revolution in 1848, and still play an important role in the German economy and society. The most important labor organization is the German Confederation of Trade Unions (Deutsche Gewerkschaftsbund or DGB), which represents more than 6 million people (31 December 2011) and is the umbrella association of several single trade unions for special economic sectors.

The largest single trade union is the IG Metall with about 2,300,000 members by 2010, organizing employees in metal (including automobile and machine building), electronics, steel, textile, wood and synthetics industries.

. . . .

Employees' representation in Germany has a binary structure: trade unions that set the framework for working conditions, such as collective wage agreements, for whole sectors or single companies, defining wage levels and working time on the one hand - and works councils ("Betriebsräte&quot that are elected by employees and represent their interests on company level. They shape and supervise the execution of the frameworks set by trade unions and laws in the company.

German industrial relations are characterized by a high degree of employee participation up to co-determination in companies' boards ("Aufsichtsrat&quot , where trade unionists and works councils elected by employees have full voting rights. Local trade union representants are democratically elected by union members and formally largely autonomous. Central boards of directors ("Vorstand&quot are elected by delegatees.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trade_unions_in_Germany

Actually, workers organized and trained within their trades in the Middle Ages in Germany. The organizations were called guilds (English word). So I think the tradition goes way back beyond the German Revolutin of 1848.

As is shown here, up to 2000, Germany and Austria were known for having labor harmony with very few strikes -- fewer than other European Union countries.

http://www.cesifo-group.de/portal/pls/portal/docs/1/1193750.PDF

The Guardian reports that the German trade union movement is changing.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/mar/31/germany-trade-unions-model-disaster

But, large German employers thrive and compete favorably with companies and employers in other countries partly because their labor laws and traditions make it possible for workers and their employers to work together and solve their problems together.

The US could learn a lot from German labor law and German labor relations traditions.

 

sulphurdunn

(6,891 posts)
15. Corker and the rest of the
Wed Feb 19, 2014, 07:43 PM
Feb 2014

Tennessee ruling Confederates have a real problem with free labor and always have. Were slavery legal again, I'm pretty sure they'd be just fine with that, since it would remove their terror or unions. Of course, then they'd be terrified of their slaves again. These assholes are always scared to death of the people they exploit to do the work for them.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
16. I'm in my late 40s now, and I remember even as a kid
Wed Feb 19, 2014, 07:53 PM
Feb 2014

all these big corporations moving jobs from "high cost" states like Connecticut, where I lived, to "right to work" states like Georgia, and other southern states. (I remember my dad going on strike with the other union guys at Pratt & Whitney/UTC, then Pratt management threatening to move jobs to Georgia in response... which ended up happening eventually. For those who don't know, Pratt makes a lot of the engines for airplanes, both civilian and military.)

Despite all these jobs moving to "low cost" states, I still see states in the Northeast being the wealthiest in the country, and these Southern states are still the poorest. So, it hasn't worked out for these Southern states for over 40-50 years, but the people still keep on buying what they're selling.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
19. Good news. I had a feeling this was coming. Corker, et al, were against American automakers and
Wed Feb 19, 2014, 09:01 PM
Feb 2014
have always been against the American worker.

VW doesn't need 'stupid' working for them, they want the best quality they can get and that's Union.

The self-determinatism phrase is also music to the ears of those who want to live free of the intimdation of RTW and a capricious boss, and of being fired at will. That doesn't create the morale necessary to suceed.

Thanks for posting. This is why Obama has traveled and has talks with these corporations. Good for all and realistic.


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