Rap music hurts my ears!

[gollygee]

[nomorenomore08]

1. That's gonna leave a mark...

[In_The_Wind]

2. TFB!

[hobbit709]

3. What hurts my ears is when you can feel the vibrations through the ground 100 feet away.

But my reaction is to suggest that a straight pin through the speaker wires will cure that low frequency vibration problem.

[Nanjing to Seoul]

4. Two things about rap: One, I call it bitching with a beat. Two:

You wouldn't pay $25 to listen to some guy tell you 14 different ways on the street how great he is, how much money he spends at the club, his "hos" and "bitches," his "rims" and his "getting rich." Why would people buy a rap album?

As for Michael Dunn. . .go fuck yourself, murderer.

[1StrongBlackMan]

5. Two things about your comment about rap music ...

(in reverse order)

Because they like it ... Just like there are those that will pay $25 to hear any other genre of music.

The Same can be said about the Blues, Reggae or Country Western (except, IMO, with the beat).

Different people have different tastes.

[Nanjing to Seoul]

8. Give me John Denver, Harry Chapin, Gordon Lightfoot, Pete Seeger and Phil Ochs any day

Not trumping of egos in that music.

[1StrongBlackMan]

22. That's your taste ...

Give me Miles, Monk, or even Sandborn, over Denver, Chapin, Lightfoot, Seeger or Ochs, any day.

[Xyzse]

27. Nice choices.

I listen to everything now.
I didn't listen to rap and country before, but I do now.

There has been a democratization in music where different genres blend and collaborate.
I find it awesome.

[1StrongBlackMan]

33. True ...

The "Rapper" Nelly, even did a country song and performed it at "The Grand Ole Opry."

And let's not forget about Hootie!

[Xyzse]

35. Not a fan of Hootie, but yes, I agree.

[Eleanors38]

45. Was it Ellington? "Only 2 Kinds of music: Good and Bad."

I still have Ray Charles' "Sounds of Country Western, Vol. 2" I bought in 1963.

[TheFrenchRazor]

56. words have meaning. this is not just a matter of "taste." nt

[1StrongBlackMan]

61. True ...

and the words of Hip-Hop Artists have specific meaning to them and those that share/have shared their experiences ... less so, or different, to those that have not.

[TheFrenchRazor]

65. well, in order to avoid, let's say "confusion," people should probably speak in some commonly

understood language, and avoid expressions which are known to be highly inflammatory to large segments of the general population. now, as you said, if these expressions mean different things within their own groups, then let people confine the use of them to their own groups, and not broadcast them at a volume which is clearly intended to make everyone within a couple miles hear it.

[1StrongBlackMan]

69. Or, your can roll up your windows ...

or drive or walk away; rather than, attempt to impose your will on someone else.

Someone recently died because of such an attempt.

[TheDebbieDee]

6. Rap is a form of language arts called prose...

Set to music or a beat. It is literally the telling of a story, much like a sonnet or a poem. However, the "establishment" here in the US doesnt care for the language in most rap.

So, even though I dont care much for rap myself, I can understand why other cultures study rap as an art form.

[Nanjing to Seoul]

7. there has got to be a better rhyme for the word trigger. especially since that word

has been used to keep black people down for years.

[TheDebbieDee]

11. Just think of it as poetic license....

[1StrongBlackMan]

28. How about ...

"Go Figure" ...

As in, "Hip-hop's beats, rhymes and foreign roots/Sets off that guy's entitlement trigger/He's not of the culture/So Go Figure."

[gollygee]

49. Ha

I just caught that

[1StrongBlackMan]

50. I was starting to feel ...

my free-stylin' skills is unappreciated.

[bravenak]

52. Brilliant!

I freestyle sometimes too.
I always start with ' kick a beat, kick a beat' the I let off.

[1StrongBlackMan]

59. I had to stop ...

It always ended with BabyGirl 1SBM hiding her face saying, "DADDDY!"

[bravenak]

60. That's so funny!

I'm doing it at every birthday party and slumber party until they get married.


My mom used to dance to Bob Marley when I was a kid, danced terribly, now I remember it fondly.

[1StrongBlackMan]

64. What? ...

You're not gonna rock the mic at their reception ... just after the nuptial toast, and before the 1st Dance?

I have promised BabyGirl that our Father/Daughter dance will be the "Big Fig Newton" dance that I did when she was 4 years old. That gets me a "DADDDY", too.

[gollygee]

40. If we as white people are going to complain about racism and sexism in music

We can start by pulling the plank out of our own eye. But it is much easier to criticize the music made by and listened to by other people than to take a hard look at what we create and listen to ourselves, isn't it?

[Nanjing to Seoul]

73. Find me racism and sexism in the music I listen to. I posted people I listen to earlier in the

thread.

Add RATM to that list too.

[TheFrenchRazor]

55. words have meaning. many rap lyrics are "fighting words," set to bad music. why does

anyone expect to get a pass on saying something in "music" that they would never say in person, at least not without expecting things to get unpleasant?

[piratefish08]

9. I feel the same way about country music - beauty is in the eye of the beholder.....

[kcr]

26. Country music is the worst

I will take rap a million times over country music any day.

[Arcanetrance]

19. Actually there's alot of political rap out there the stuff you reference is the stuff the mainstream

chooses to pick up and sell to everyone. It's like punk the band's that have something to say get lost while the masses get the stuff that doesn't agitate

[snooper2]

24. Here is one of the greatest songs ever written-

Top this

[1StrongBlackMan]

30. This old-head suggests ...

listening to:

It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back, by Public Enemy

Resurrection, by Common

Quality, by Talib Kweli

Black on Both Sides, by Mos Def

And yes, the "Trigger" rhyme word IS used on each of this albums; but listen how.

[TheFrenchRazor]

53. heh; i call it swearing with a little bass in the background. not only would people not

pay to listen to someone say those things in person, but no reasonable person would actually say them to another person without expecting things to go very badly. but when these words are in a rap song, blasted at a couple hundred decibels, it's supposed to be "all good." wtf? shouldn't have to add, but of course this doesn't justify shooting somebody.

[bravenak]

54. What about Nas?

I love Nas and Mos Def.
http://m.

&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DNW55FRXlPEs

[Arkana]

57. Because Macklemore is a rap artist and he's actually pretty cool?

Just because Kanye/50 Cent/LL Cool J/Lil Jon are all misogynist assholes doesn't make the entire genre of music shit.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

70. The rap you hear on the radio sounds like that

Just like the music in general on the radio is crap compared to the stuff of the same genre that doesn't make it on there.

[onehandle]

10. Gun Culture and Racism. Two peas in a pod. nt

[1awake]

12. Rap music doesn't hurt my ears...

Though 95% of rap music these days is total absolute crap. Much of it now has no meaning... no story... no point. I can only listen to music that says Im an awesome rich gun toting user of women for so long.

It's not like rap has the corner on this... just the worst at this point.

[CBGLuthier]

13. Which is only 5 percent more than that predicted by Sturgeon's Revelation.

Well within statistical error



Using the same standards that categorize 90% of science fiction as trash, crud, or crap, it can be argued that 90% of film, literature, consumer goods, etc. are crap. In other words, the claim (or fact) that 90% of science fiction is crap is ultimately uninformative, because science fiction conforms to the same trends of quality as all other artforms.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturgeon's_law

[1awake]

14. And?

Using the phrase "95%" was meant to say IMO most rap music these days is bad. Nothing else. Since I said it and obviously can't connect it with fact, it is an opinion. Agree or not, it makes no difference.

[CBGLuthier]

16. Just using your 95% remark as an opportunity to inject the point that nearly everything is crap

for the most part.

When it comes to whether or not music is good or bad opinion is about all we have. Consensus is meaningless. Just look at the pop charts and try to find anything good.

[1awake]

17. I would agree,

Besides in the area of movies, and in that case everyone knows that Goonies was and remains the best movie ever made.

[Gary 50]

18. What percentage of politicians

are crap? What percentage of Republican politicians are crap?

[Eleanors38]

46. 95% of any music form is crap.

[AAO]

23. I'm just relieved I don't hear much if any "Gangsta" rap.

I don't know if it just got old, or didn't sell anymore, but there is definitely a whole lot less. Most of the "Gangsta" rappers were either raised in middle class families and are college educated. They just pretended to be gangstas, which sold records at the time, but I think it was a horrible example for the young kids listening to it.

I like some of the newer rap music. In spite of some of his problems, I think Kanye West is a real talent. When I really like rap is when it is mixed with singing. The verses may be rapped, but the chorus and bridge are sung and have nice hooks. I think rap in some form is here to stay.

Oh, and that man should be listening to his favorite Frank Sinatra album right at the time his house blows up. He can then join Frank in hell. Damn gangster.

[Gothmog]

15. Great cartoon

[Cyrano]

20. What if Dunn had asked white seniors to turn down opera music?

We all know that would never have happened. This is about racism, pure and simple.

Others on this thread have commented on how much they dislike rap. IMO, it's no more anyone's business what kind of music someone likes than is their sexual orientation.

But asking someone to turn down car music in a gas station is just going out of one's way to look for trouble. Dunn obviously hates blacks, hates rap and used the disgusting "Stand Your Ground" law to commit murder.

[TheFrenchRazor]

62. but of course white seniors don't blast opera at 200 decibles from their caddies. i have often

asked this question: if a car pulls up next to you, with it's music at a few hundred decibels, what kind of music will it most likely be playing? Country? Easy listening? Oldies? Classic rock? Opera? Polka music? or RAP? of course these highly inconsiderate, passive-aggressive people are almost always blasting rap. THEY are the ones "looking for trouble," as you put it. they need to learn some common courtesy. bot OF COURSE this doesn't justify shooting anybody. duh.

[The Straight Story]

21. We can't tell others what not to be offended by. Let's ban it and make sure SI doesn't play it

[gollygee]

25. Did anyone, anywhere, at any time on DU talk about banning anything on SI?

STRAWMAN

[The Straight Story]

34. I think you missed the satire/sarcasm and overall judgement values I was addressing

White Knight/Benevolent sexism - treat someone different based on x/y/z is considered bad. Some, not all, on DU don't want to ever see a woman in a bikini on du (Though Obama in swimming trunks is ok as I am guessing all pics of men are) so we should change what everyone else does, might do, or likes based on the desires of a few.

This leads us to shaming - both SI and fellow posters - for not disliking enough what some also dislike.

What it all leaves are some people in the middle of some issues being called all sorts of names on all sorts of issues. From guns to smoking to confederate flags being allowed to exist, to whether something is an action figure, or a doll. From whether or not someone is bad because they like what someone is wearing to never using some words (like some words rappers use).

Being progressive means a big tent and not all ideals are in lockstep. Just because folks don't agree on the issue at hand to the same depth as someone else does not make them a hater, a right winger, an mra, etc (although it is always easier to use labels), it does not mean they don't agree with core ideals and values.

SI and the models involved sold a product using 'objects'. Others can appreciate the beauty of what they saw without thinking that the people involved are objects but recognize they were used to sell a product. They can respect and enjoy at the same time. You can still SI as a sports magazine even though they were not covering a sport on the actual cover. You can still view women as equals and fellow humans because you found the cover attractive.

it is simple human stuff we do all the time on many issues during the day. It only seems to be complex here when one fails to agree with how someone else summarizes it - which leads me back to the pressure to 'white knight' our replies to please others, for which we then get a 'treat' and they call us allies.

Otherwise you get snapped on a the nose, a file is kept on you, and with just enough shaming you might get your treat.

[gollygee]

36. No, being progressive does not mean

Tolerating misogyny, racism, or any other kind of bigotry.

[The Straight Story]

38. Yeah, but who gets to add that label and decide it is or is not?

If you say something is misogyny and someone else does not agree, does that make them a misogynist?

So you get to define it? Oh I know, women get to define it - but then some women don't see X as being that either, so only some women get to define what is and isn't.

Basically it is 'sit down, shut up, I get to decide if something is or is not, and if you don't agree you are not progressive'.

Yeah, sorry, it does not work that way.

[gollygee]

39. You having trouble seeing standards

Doesn't mean no one else can, or that none should exist.

Do you think DU should have standards RE homophobia or racism? It seems like the anti-feminist crowd often also thinks we should have "free speech" re negative posts about or aimed at those groups as well.

[The Straight Story]

42. The problem is not with the ideals of feminism in general

but with a select few feminists here and how they interact with others and how they alone get to decide everything.

Sure they do, for themselves. But to expect everyone to agree with every single assessment they make or anything else is not discussion or progressive.

When you accuse men of just wanting to see pics to whack off to, call them creeps, say they are marking their territory, call other women pets and cohorts when they don't agree, tell men they only post stories they do to show women in a bad light, etc and so on you can probably expect people won't lay down and just agree to prove their are allies.

I have been having a wonderful discussion with a lady I know on FB this morning about feminism. She is into LAPRing, makes posters/ads for it, designs her own outfits and so on. She would fit right in line with feminists values here as do many of us but her biggest issues have been with fellow feminists from her sister in law to other women she encounters. She is never pure enough. She gets called names (especially when she was into goth) and someone is always trying to tell her she needs to feel different about x/y/z. I think others here feel sort of like that.

She did post a good video this morning (on her FB page, which is where we are chatting) that address the issue in larping (which is what led to the conversation). I would have posted an op about it but lord knows how that would have went - from 'see, all men want to use women, here is proof' to 'you just want more of a gender war and wanted to see the woman in the video, you are probably whacking off to it now' :

[gollygee]

44. Those replies don't happen in a vacuum.

People are being outright hostile to feminists here. It isn't gray area stuff. And yes, just like anyone, we might get snappy if you poke at us too much. Do you expect only sweetness in response to the open hostility in GD lately?

[fadedrose]

29. Balm for the ears

after they've been assaulted in some way is the "Lumineers." I have the only album they have out, and it's probably time to see if they have another yet.."Hey" is one thing they have in most of their songs and nobody does "Hey" better...with some soft claps....

They play in the background of several commercials; that real estate agency Zinger or something like that softly plays one of their songs.

[meadowlark5]

31. I don't care for it

Unfortunately, like a lot of teen boys, mine likes it and listens to it. Once in awhile I'll let him put one of the rap stations on satellite radio when we're driving somewhere. Some of the lyrics are I sometimes wonder what he's learning or thinking listening to that stuff.

I talk to him about it so hopefully the life of a gangsta isn't as fascinating as it tends to be through rap music. For awhile there he was pretty impressed by gangstas.

[Soundman]

32. I like my music loud

I mean really, really, REALLY loud. I like my music so loud you could be standing right in my face screaming at me and I would never hear a word you say. I also have the toys to do that and more. One thing I don't do is drive around with my music blaring at that level. At least not in residential areas and other public places. It's about respecting others. Just because I love the sound of dio at 120 plus db doesn't mean the people at the gas station do. And who am I to force my music choice upon them? The real moral of the story is, be respectful of others at all times because you don't know when the stranger in close proximity to you may be ready to clock out.

[gollygee]

37. That's the lesson Michael Dunn would like us to learn

But a better lesson is to drive away if you're so annoyed.

[Soundman]

43. Normal people drive away, ever seen the movie

Falling down with Michael Douglas? While it is over the top, the news tells me there are these types out there. You never know what might set them off. I agree disturbing the peace doesn't rise to such an extreme response. But it doesn't change reality.

I personally have seen plenty of altercations over loud music and people not respecting one another. Wasn't there a story a while back about some guy in Texas that shot his neighbor(s) over something very similar?

[TheFrenchRazor]

66. good grief, what a twisted reversal of rules of common decency. OF COURSE, i am not saying

that anyone is entitled to shoot someone else over loud music, but shouldn't people be respectful of others and try to minimize causing offense when in public places? it's not like people can just turn off their ears and not hear this stuff.

[TheFrenchRazor]

63. word. nt

[riverwalker]

41. grampa! turn it down

[raven mad]

47. Nothing hurts my ears.

Except standing next to the main bass speaker at a Who concert (which I did).

Great catch on the cartoon. Saved.

[johnp3907]

68. Entwistle?

His rig was a WMD!

[raven mad]

74. I can still hear it..................

so loud rap, hip-hop, country, rock, classical, Celtic - doesn't matter, bring it on!

Sure, there's some rap I don't like; the objectification of women as "hos" etc. is offensive - but I believe it was meant to be that was as a wakeup call. I heard a lot of loud, stark rap on the streets of South Birmingham in the 1980's, and never once blamed the anger on the rappers - I put it squarely where it belonged. On government oppression.

It's not my music of choice, but damn if I won't get up and dance!

[NM_Birder]

48. song still reminds me of the ferry boat scene in "Outlaw Jose Wales"

[ForgoTheConsequence]

51. Like most forms of music, the mainstream stuff sucks.

There exists lots of good rap and hip hop. Nas is probably one of the best story tellers in American music. It's the same for country music, Toby Keith is pure shit, but Kris Kristofferson is an American hero and great story teller. Same with rock, Nickelback is dog shit but that doesn't mean rock music sucks.

[ecstatic]

58. It's an absolute necessity for me on long drives or when jogging/running. nt

[HereSince1628]

67. I stationary cycle to this, at concert volume I'm sure it would get me shot

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=ZNWMwmwmz3U

[johnp3907]

71. This is great!

I've never heard them before, so thanks for posting!

I generally work out to stuff like this, so there ya go:

[HereSince1628]

72. I recycle to something like that...

when I don't wear ear-protection!

[ecstatic]

76. I might try that music next time I play Ruzzle

It's kind of creepy sounding. lol

[ecstatic]

75. Wow! That would drive me crazy! lol nt