Ex-Army Captain stands her ground against allegedly abusive husband and guess where

[bigdarryl]

Yep once again Florida so we have possibly another high profile case coming up http://breakingbrown.com/2014/02/ex-army-captain-stands-her-ground-against-allegedly-abusive-husband/

[malaise]

1. Valeris isn't white so she may not have a case

[bigdarryl]

2. I wonder if that Angela Cory is prosecuting her

[malaise]

3. Let's hope not

[tblue37]

4. Especially since her husband was white. nt

[pipoman]

5. SYG applies to attacks outside of your home, iirc

I believe this will go forward as a self defense case.

[okaawhatever]

18. In your home is included. It's anywhere you have a legal right to be. It does have special

provisions for being inside your home, for example you can shoot someone you think is trying to break in.

[hack89]

6. It will all depend on the physical evidence

since he is dead.

[NCTraveler]

7. Very poorly written article....

that doesn't give much to go on. Also very inaccurate in the assumption it tries to make. Journalism is dead.

[ladjf]

8. I don't believe that SYG will ever apply to a black against white shooting.

SYG primary was written to make it legal for a white person to kill a black person without any real cause.

[hack89]

11. The facts in Florida would say otherwise

37 Blacks claimed SYG after killing someone - 26 were acquitted.

Of over 200 SYG cases, only 11 involved Whites shooting Blacks.

http://www.tampabay.com/stand-your-ground-law/fatal-cases

[dsc]

13. just to be clear what you quoted doesn't disprove the post your responded to

your counter example would have to be a person who is black, shot a white person, and successfully used SYG

[hack89]

14. Seven trials in six years - three convicted and four acquitted.

there is no clear indications that SYG is racially skewed - which makes sense when you consider that interracial crime is rare. Whites killing whites and blacks killing blacks is the norm.

[moriah]

15. Eh, this one seems close.

http://www.tampabay.com/stand-your-ground-law/cases/case_89

Edit: and this case, too. http://www.tampabay.com/stand-your-ground-law/cases/case_23

[ladjf]

16. The facts in the same article did not say otherwise.

The following paragraph is from the same article that you cited.

"In other words, when a black person is shot and killed in a “Stand Your Ground” case, the chances that his or her killer will be convicted of a crime is around 1 in 5. If the accused is not black, his chances of being convicted drop to 1 in 10. By contrast, a person who kills a white person and tries to invoke “Stand Your Ground” has a 43 percent chance of being convicted and sent to prison. Black killers stand a reasonable chance of getting away with murder as long as they confine their killing to murdering other African-Americans. Whites can successfully use “Stand Your Ground” as a defense nearly nine times out of ten as long as they shoot black people, but they are rolling the dice and gambling with prison time if they stand their ground against another white person. Blacks do not benefit from Florida’s “Stand Your Ground” Law, but it is pretty obvious that since the law was passed in 2005, those who kill blacks do. In Florida, “Stand Your Ground” has become a license to kill people of color.



From the Tampabay Times
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[hack89]

17. A full one third of the cases are still pending with no verdicts yet

those stats can change completely overnight based on a couple of verdicts.

There have been exactly two more blacks convicted in SYG cases than whites. The sample size is too small, the differences too small, and there are too many undecided cases to make definitive statements like the article does.

[bettyellen]

20. but this doesn't account for the many cases, like this week where SYG was not claimed, but

was included in the jury instructions and influenced the outcome. It has lowered the threshold for what is "reasonable".

[hack89]

22. When there are some actual numbers then perhaps we can talk about it.

I do not follow the Florida courts closely.

I am not saying Florida is perfect - the fact that blacks are disproportionately arrested and convicted is criminal. But as far as SYG goes, it does not appear to be open season on blacks. Interracial crime is not the norm - 90 percent of murder victims are the same race as their killers. And those blacks that use SYG are just as likely to get off as whites.

If I was a black man in Florida, a white guy thinking to use SYG to kill me would be the least of my worries if I was concerned about getting shot.

[bettyellen]

23. So.... go write OPs about how blacks should fear each other if THAT is so important to you...

if you'd rather not discuss sensible laws around guns, then stop. I will not.

[hack89]

24. We are not talking about sensible laws in this sub-thread

we are talking about whether SYG is a license for whites to kill blacks. The hard numbers say otherwise.

I have no problem changing FL self defense laws to preclude people who instigate a fight from then using SYG when they shoot someone. Laws are fixed all the time.

[bettyellen]

25. many feel "SYG is a license for whites to kill blacks" and is therfore not sensible....

but you said you'd rather not discuss it- and bring up black on black crime. So, it appeared you wanted to change the subject.

[hack89]

29. Did I not just say I support rewording the law to fix it?

as to your point that " many feel " - I pointed out that while many may feel that way, the facts say otherwise. Hence my comment on who is really killing black men. You want to save lives? Then focus on the real problems.

[Boom Sound 416]

9. All we get is the narrative hook, not the story

Didn't a woman just get convicted in AZ for killing her somewhat newly wed husband. She asserted self defense from an abusive marriage. She was unable to prove the abuse i think.

Also,
The notable difference in this case is the initial charge of 2nd degree.

[RockaFowler]

10. Here is more on the story

This takes place in my area. My station has done a story on it and the local paper has as well.

http://www.wptv.com/news/region-st-lucie-county/port-st-lucie/valerie-ann-lowe-no-bond-for-wife-arrested-in-connection-with-the-shooting-death-of-husband

A thing to note here, she changed her story many times. She also had been trying to get out of the marriage. I would't use this case as a SYG case of black vs white. She has other problems as you can see from the story.

[Boom Sound 416]

12. That ought to put out that flame

[justiceischeap]

19. The thing about this particular article that bothers me

is towards the bottom. Saying she was trained to protect herself. George Zimmerman was allegedly trained to protect himself too. I took judo as a kid (was even invited to the Jr. Olympics) but that didn't help me when my ex beat the crap out of me.

I'm not saying she got hit or didn't get hit, I'm just saying the reasoning that is in the article is whack.

[LittleBlue]

21. Should be pretty easy to prove

If she has signs of violence, ie bruising, cuts or some other corroborating evidence, that's an easy "not guilty" for me.

If she doesn't, she's in big trouble.

[JoePhilly]

26. Dunn didn't have any bruises.

... and the kid didn't have a gun.

[LittleBlue]

27. Isn't he facing 60 years minimum?

And possibly more after a second murder trial?

[JoePhilly]

28. Not for killing the kid.

He got the 60 years because after killing the one kid, he kept shooting at the SUV.

The charge of murder was determined to be a mistrial.

So what that means is that if he simply stopped shooting after killing that one kid, he'd not be headed to jail for 60 years.

The woman here should only need to demonstrate that she was scared of being killed. She can say he threatened her. Say that he said he was going to strangle her. Then came at her quickly.

And then the prosecutor has to prove she wasn't scared. Good luck with that.

She does not have to prove she was scared. She has to describe the situation in a manner such that its possible she was scared. Even if her fear was not justified.

Dunn said he was scared because he thought he saw a shotgun. There was no gun. Doesn't matter. If he was scared, that's potentially enough. That's why the jury was hung on that charge.

If they believe she could have been scared, using the other recent cases, she walks.

Same is true in almost any other dispute in which one person kills another with a gun with no witnesses.

[1000words]

30. What trash thread word would be most effective, you think?