When Ted Nugent called Obama a "subhuman mongrel", was that a racist statement?

[CreekDog]

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	Yes, it was racist or racially derogatory
	29 (97%)
	No, it was not racist or racially derogatory
	1 (3%)
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[Mass]

1. Uh? There are people saying it was not?\nt

[pintobean]

3. It's a CreekDog poll

They usually look like this.

[Trajan]

4. yup

[CreekDog]

16. you can't claim to be a victim of a poll when nobody's forcing you to answer

many of these polls are just ways of confirming how dominant an opinion is on DU. there's nothing wrong with asking something that shows us to be in 99% agreement on a given topic, issue or bit of news.

[LostOne4Ever]

27. We need a poll on breathing next :) (nt)

[Paulie]

44. Mouth breathing or nose breathing

[Cali_Democrat]

35. I wonder how Skip's going to vote....

[pintobean]

37. Which one?

I think they're both on the list.

[Cali_Democrat]

40. The racist one. nt

[Skip Intro]

50. Yep. n/t

[RC]

2. In this case, yes it was racist.

In Ted's case, it's much more fitting for him.

[cali]

5. Of course and it has a long pedigree as just that

Used by the Nazis extensively.

Stupid and hateful.

[Cali_Democrat]

38. Many of Obama's critics like Ted Nugent think blacks are inferior. nt

[cali]

41. well yeah. pople like Ted Nugent are vile racists.

[Hoyt]

6. And, it was made to appeal to bigots.

[Logical]

7. Can we immediately BAN anyone who votes "no" on this poll? n-t

[pintobean]

10. That's the point

Trying to find a troll who's dumber than the poll.

[CreekDog]

17. then list all the people banned as a result of answering my polls

come on, if it's true you can produce a nice long list.

[pintobean]

22. The one you bragged about in meta

is the only one I know of. Have you caught any others who are that dumb? The problem is, you waste people's time in these obvious and failed attempts. You should just join MIRT. They get it done every day, without silly polls.

[hrmjustin]

24. CreekDog is on mirt.

[pintobean]

30. Awesome

[hrmjustin]

31. I wish them a great term and I am enjoying the break myself.

[CreekDog]

62. you struggled with answering the poll, how surprising.

[CreekDog]

48. You never complained about Lozocalo

But you complain about a poll that 120+ vote in without complaint?

[pintobean]

49. Yes I did

but not about stupid troll hunting polls. Loz didn't do that. You're unique when it comes to this.

[CreekDog]

52. Who should i listen to? You, party of one or the 150 respondents?

[KamaAina]

8. Best reply yet, from a righty but cool ex-classmate

(yes, it is possible. Extremely rare, but possible. )

"What he should have said was "I'm sorry my remarks were misinterpreted. Subhuman Mongrel was an excellent Norwegian metal band that I got to know when they opened for me on a European tour in the early '90's, but they have been unjustly overlooked by the American mainstream media.""

John wins the intertubes!!!

[nomorenomore08]

32. And I thought *I* was the obscure-metal-band connoisseur around here...

[KamaAina]

36. Not to worry. This dude wouldn't touch DU with a ten-foor pole.

He stared at his copy of Atlas Shrugged too long back in college, and the image is permanently seared on his retinas.

[Rex]

9. Totally.

I would think that is obvious.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

11. Do we need a poll for this?

[CreekDog]

13. apparently

[napkinz]

12. Ted Nugent IS a racist

[Dawson Leery]

14. yes

[treestar]

15. He would call some white people that if it were just because he was that upset about politics

opposing his.

[CreekDog]

19. which white people has he called "mongrel"?

[treestar]

42. Interesting, I see you read my post wrong and so did another person

If he weren't a racist, he might have used that term on whites he didn't agree with, but he didn't use the term until he found a black office holder her disagreed with.

[CreekDog]

45. Thanks for clarifying, I agree

[nomorenomore08]

33. Maybe, but it still wouldn't have quite the same connotations.

Like comparing George W. Bush to a monkey - juvenile, yes, but it doesn't invoke centuries-old racist imagery in the same way that comparing Obama to a monkey would.

[TheKentuckian]

18. Who the fuck thinks it was anything else and how do you explain that?

[WinkyDink]

20. YasSUH, BOSS! Of course it was racist. Jeez Louise. What did he need to say, 3/5 of a citizen?

[Nuclear Unicorn]

21. It's entirely possible to employ that term on a person of one's own race but

I find it hard to believe that Nugent wasn't aware of how his comment would be perceived. You believe something you might say would be perceived as racist and then you still say it I find it hard to believe it wasn't intended that way.

[nomorenomore08]

34. He also has a long history of blatantly racist (and misogynist, and homophobic) statements.

If Uncle Teddy isn't a bigot, then no one on Earth is...

[Coyotl]

23. Man, it's going to be a bad year for camou wear. First those duck callers, now Ted

Noone will want to be seen in camouflage.

[hrmjustin]

25. Ted is evil.

[Skittles]

26. yes

even he has enough sense to know he cannot say "n*****"

[Warpy]

28. C'mon, that's what the Nazis called the Jews

which makes me think his circle of friends favors brown shirts and swastika armbands.

He's not smart enough to come up with this stuff on his own.

[herding cats]

29. Of course.

It was a wink and a nod to all the racist out there. The Republicans can't have them feeling neglected in an election year after all.

[JoePhilly]

39. Ted meant it as a compliment because

a subhuman mongrel is still 8 or 9 levels higher on the evolutionary scale than Ted.

It's a level Ted could never aspire to achieve.

As a result, Ted thinks subhuman mongrel is as high as the scale goes.

[Jenoch]

43. I have not read any of the replies yet,

but of course the answer is that Nugent made a racist statement. He was referring to President Obama's bi-racial heritage.

Even my more conservative friens who also are gun owners have washed their hands of this racist pig.

[Adrahil]

46. Trick question? Ummm... Yeah. Duh NT

[Warren DeMontague]

47. This, from a guy who wears a loincloth--- when he's not wearing his own crap-filled drawers?

Sure, Ted. Whatever.

[ellie]

51. Fuck Ted Nugent

He is a pedophile and a bigot. Just really, fuck him.

[The Straight Story]

53. What is it when someone says others think people are subhuman when they don't agree with us

on an issue?

Like, say, "I don't fully agree with your view on this issue" and the retort is "You don't agree because you think people are subhuman"

[CreekDog]

57. And "mongrel"?

[CreekDog]

64. corresponding with you, it's clear your lack of vote in the poll and odd response to the question...

is self serving.

rather than deal with the actual quote and it's meaning, you've decided to make Nugent's quote about Obama about you --namely that you are the victim of people saying that your posts and positions about women are akin to treating them in a subhuman way.

so Obama gets called a subhuman mongrel and instead of being able to deal with that issue on its own, you instead make it about you and because you feel the term subhuman, which wasn't referring to you, but how you viewed women, can't be racist (hence your lack of vote) because the "subhuman" term has to be about your apparent thinking that feminists here are mistreating you.

don't play games with me.

[The Straight Story]

66. So, it is like

When others take a post and turn it into another issue then?

Like a sports mag, gi joe, a crappy ad in Italy, stories posted about criminals who happen to also be female, etc.

Hunh. Guess some might now understand why folks get some 'tude when something they post is jacked for something else, eh?

[CreekDog]

67. is it that hard to agree with the idea that calling Obama a "subhuman mongrel" is racist?

are you changing the subject because you like to talk about other things (smoking, men as victims of women, etc.)

or because you don't think it's a racist statement and are attempting to change the subject without admitting you feel that way.

[The Straight Story]

68. it is not hard, the whole thing was self evident

Anything ted nugent says is based off racism when it comes to Obama. There is really no debate to be had. Not even sure why it was raised as a question to be asked unless the person asking it maybe doubted it was.

[CreekDog]

69. clever

but you're still obvious.

[anti partisan]

54. I think the question that needs to be asked is

Would Ted Nugent use this to describe a white man hated by the wacky right, like Harry Reid?

Can't really see it at all, so it's hard to pretend like it's not racist.

[Shrike47]

55. Of course it was racist.

Apparently, he not only hates liberals and black people, he hates people of mixed race ancestry. Since more and more Americans fall into that category, he hates an awful lot of People.

[MMcGuire]

56. Do bears shit in the woods?

[Gothmog]

58. Nugent is very racist

Water is also wet

[alcibiades_mystery]

59. Of course not! Not everything's about RACE! Why does it always have to be about RACE???

(Now a common DU refrain from various quarters...usually - ahem - downstairs...)

[CreekDog]

60. The hindquarters

[alcibiades_mystery]

61. Indeed: the ass end

It's a better name for that bunch.

[spanone]

63. duh.

[Dirty Socialist]

65. Why Do Psychopaths Like Nugent Do Well in Today's Society?

Something is wrong here.

[lillypaddle]

70. Is a pig's ass pork?

duh!

[heaven05]

71. speaks volumes

volumes I say! Figures...