What Anti Smoking Fantatics have created

[HockeyMom]

Burn wood in a fireplace? Horror, NO. Smoke. Lung Cancer. Grill food? Horror, NO. Smoke. Lung Cancer. Clean the oven? Horror, NO. Smoke. Lung Cancer. Blow out a friggen candle inside the house? Horror, NO. Smoke. Lung Cancer.

I am totally SICK of paranoid health fanatics. Ok, I will smoke outside to keep "you" safe,but don't dare tell me you will get LUNG CANCER from fireplaces, grilling food, cleaning ovens, or burning candles.

You know what? I would rather BE dead that so live in fear that just the pleasures of every day life is going to kill you. Screw you, medical science and your promotion of FEAR to make YOU $$$$$. Life ain't worth living if you live every day of your life in fear that something is going to kill you.

[msanthrope]

1. Care to tell us what brought this on??? nt

[Skittles]

4. a nicodemon brought it on

one that is strong enough to convince its host to argue in its defense

[herding cats]

14. I had one of those once.

It had my butt firmly in its grip for close to a decade. It made me do some things I'll regret for the rest of my life.

[Skittles]

17. yup

and those demons never actually go away- you can only ever really make them go dormant - you have to always be on guard

try to go easy on the regret, herding cats - there comes a time you need to forgive yourself

[herding cats]

44. That's the truth.

Never let your guard down because the desire just might catch you again when you're not looking. I had that pitfall more than once when I tried to quit in the past. This time I own it. 2 years, 1 month and 20 days. I'm not letting up and giving in again. Ever.

Thanks for the encouraging words. They made me smile, and I needed that!

[Skittles]

46. that's what I try to tell people who are tryiing to quit an addiction

look at each failure as a lesson learned....you may have lost that battle but you CAN still win the war, so to speak

[Starry Messenger]

51. Haha!

I shouldn't laugh, but that is so true. (<--- former smoker)

[davidpdx]

60. Now that is funny

A gold star for you.

[Berlum]

171. "You rang?" - Nick O'Demon. Inc. (R)

[Skittles]

175. LOL

funny, I've always pictured my nicodemon - something like that. It's been a long time since I smoked but every so often that demon makes me dream I smoked a cig.

[Jackpine Radical]

176. Me too. I went cold turkey in 1984 and have kept off them ever since.

By now I even hate the smell of cigarettes

Nevertheless, every so often I dream that I relapsed and am smoking again. The dreams are unpleasant and I'm always mad at myself in the dream for the relapse. I think of these dreams as a protective factor, warning me of the consequences of dabbling with tobacco.

I have known several people who thought they'd try "just one, for old times' sake" and found themselves back in the clutches of the demon weed.

[Skittles]

188. I tried "just one" a few times

I eventually got N.O.P.E. (NOT ONE PUFF EVER) ingrained into my head and that was that - yup, that dream - the feeling that F*** WHY DID I SMOKE THAT CIGARETTE (angry and disappointed) - it feels so real that it does make me realize how I'd feel if I did smoke again

[Jackpine Radical]

189. The dream is just your way

of kicking your own ass, I guess.

[Skittles]

190. CORRECT

[KittyWampus]

180. Can I steal your post? It is really good.

[HockeyMom]

16. Cleaning the OVEN

and not opening all the doors and windows. Too much SMOKE (not cigarette) in the house.

[msanthrope]

21. Who complained?? nt

[Renew Deal]

29. It's not the smoke. It's the smell

And people aren't afraid of premature death by oven "smoke". It just smells bad.


Keep children and pets away from the kitchen while the oven is cleaning, since it heats to a very high temperature and tends to give off a burning smell.
Open your windows to ventilate the kitchen, so your family won't be inhaling the fumes.

http://m.wikihow.com/Clean-the-Oven

[GoneOffShore]

86. Or better yet don't use the "Self Clean" setting - it does destroy your oven.

Despite what manufacturers will tell you.

[Ms. Toad]

130. Tell it to my 1970s oven that is still going strong,

despite being self-cleaned once a year for the past 24 years (and likely more before that)

[GoneOffShore]

131. 1970's ovens are a good deal different than 2000 ovens.

I had a Dacor dual fuel that self destructed in 5 years.

Now have a BlueStar that does two things - heats up and cools down.

It's self-cleaning as well. When myself cleans it.

[HockeyMom]

134. I have managed to live to 65

and my kids to 30 and 35. Premature death?

[pnwmom]

127. So are all the smoke detectors giving you a hard time?

[HockeyMom]

20. Cleaning the OVEN

and leaving all the doors and windows closed. No darlings, nothing to do with cigarettes. Smoke obsession doesn't just apply to cigarettes but any smoke. READ my post.

[LumosMaxima]

2. Agreed.

Some of these folks act like death can be avoided altogether if you just live right. It's absurd.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

11. "Some of these folks act like death can be avoided altogether if you just live right."

Or that life would be worth living if we obeyed all their dictates.

[LumosMaxima]

23. Yep! nt

[SecularMotion]

25. Wait. You're a smoker?

[Nuclear Unicorn]

28. No. I'm a non-busybody.

[lancer78]

83. This is how I feel.

[ZombieHorde]

110. I fucking love Aqua Teen Hunger Force. nt

[lame54]

3. Time to light up

[MrScorpio]

5. I'm about as anti-smoking as you can be, and I've never heard of any of this stuff

Who are these Rad-Anti-Smokers?

[nadinbrzezinski]

6. I don't mind grilling, but the HOA does

with good reason. No, not cancer, FIRE RISK... and it is very real

I do put out candles, but never leave any on, fire risk. (that is not paranoia, I could show you the stats. That is too many years in EMS, trust me, they are higher than cancer from a wick)

That said, you need to lighten up, and yes, I do hope you enjoy them cigs, and never, ever get COPD, Emphysema or the rest of them. My dad smoked to the last day of his life. He used to think he would be invincible. He was on O2 for the last two years of his life. I truly hope you avoid that.

[RKP5637]

7. The US should just be renamed "United Fear!" A nation driven by fear, it's endless. n/t

[Squinch]

183. But who ever said people shouldn't

burn wood in a fireplace, grill food, clean the oven or blow out a friggen candle inside the house? I have never heard anyone say that those things lead to lung cancer.

[RKP5637]

185. I've heard that about wood fires, all of the pollution outside. One place I lived the

pollution at night was so great from everyone's fireplaces and wood stoves the smoke hung like a heavy fog in the meadows ... and you could hardly breath outside.

[Jamastiene]

186. You have never met my mother then.

I also heard about the 96 diseases you get while cleaning a cat litter box every time I went to clean the box. One of those diseases is lung cancer, according to her.

[Squinch]

187. Oh, well.... my favorite story my mother ever told me was,

"I knew a girl. She was just your age. She got her ears pierced, and she got SEPSIS! In her BLOOD! And she DIED! So for God's sakes, don't get your ears pierced!"

[Jamastiene]

191. Are our mother's related?

Or did they go to the same mothering classes? It sounds like they both have the same style and both have it down pat.

[Squinch]

192. Waaiiit a minute! Is that my shirt you are wearing?? Are you my sister??

[TheBlackAdder]

8. Broiling a steak and burning tobacco are two different things. Cigs release polonium-210.

.


Anything that is burned to a char creates a carcinogen. The two foods with the
highest carcinogens are red wine (2 fermentation processes) and mushrooms.

However, organic leaf products contain polonium-210 that does not harm a person.
Polonium is only release when the leaf is burned and the isotope is released.
Now, polonium is harmless to a human when it is outside of the body, since it
cannot penetrate the human skin. However, when it is burned and released within
the body, it cannot escape and causes much damage.

Also, when my father was dying from mesothelioma from asbestos, the doctors
at Fox Chase said that heat is dangerous to lung tissue, including hot showers.
It causes mutations in the cells. Smoking, besides all of the other chemicals in
released into the lungs, including tar, carbon monoxide, etc... the heat is extremely
dangerous to the lung tissues.

[yawnmaster]

64. what happens when one eats an organic leaf product? eom

[jberryhill]

68. Polonium is a weak alpha emitter

As radionuclides go, it's a lot better passing through your GI tract than lodging in lung tissue.

[yawnmaster]

70. it won't enter the bloodstream when ingested? it just passes through? eom

[jberryhill]

74. Look, I didn't say it was good for you either way

[LongTomH]

9. Fantactics? Is this some sort of secret organization?

And, why haven't I been invited to join?

[Warpy]

55. Yeah, where's my secret decoder ring and feathered hat?

Honestly, some people think they live in a bubble and things they do never affect anyone else.

As for cleaning the oven, I can see why people in adjacent apartments and townhouses would complain, it's a pretty acrid process. Maybe wait for a warm day so you can open windows with a fan exhausting the stink out of one of them. It's called courtesy and it works.

It's also better than a grease fire in the stove if a lot of meat is cooked in that oven.

[raccoon]

79. +1000. nt

[Brickbat]

10. I've seen serious asthma attacks brought on by wood smoke.

That said...whoa.

[GP6971]

45. My wife and I moved to a planned community that only allowed

gas fireplaces. What does the city do.......gives a license to a wood fired pizza joint. Prevailing winds carry the smoke right over our neighborhood.

[demigoddess]

96. There is a Burger King about a mile

or more from our house. We smell the smoke from them all summer long. And a wood fire pizza place too!!

[Auggie]

12. We have no burn days in California ...

called "Spare the Air Days." The season runs from November 1 through February 28.

When a Winter Spare the Air Alert is in effect, it is illegal to burn wood, fire logs, pellets, or any other solid fuels in a fireplace, woodstove, or outdoor fire pit (unless it is your only source of heat).

Our atmosphere can become so stagnant with wood ash that it creates big issues for people with lung disease or who have difficulty breathing. Many a cold winter night and throughout the holidays those of us with fireplaces would have loved to burn wood. But amazingly, everybody pretty much participates. And our winter days are relatively smog-free.

I despised smelling the neighbors cigarette smoke, BTW. It wafted through closed windows even into our backyard. I was glad when they moved away.

[ChazII]

33. Maricopa County

also has 'No burn' days for the same reasons as you sited.

[MyOwnPeace]

42. And if..........

you burn on one of those days does Sheriff Joe come and get you and make you wear pink prison garb?

[ChazII]

54. Nope, but you

do support the county by hefty fines.

Seriously, though we do need to take care of those who breathing issues. It is the least we can do and not pollute the air which makes breathing more difficult.

[eridani]

82. There are some who would insist that you can't be really free if you can't--

--shit in the reservoir.

[Iggo]

120. That about sums it up.

[antiquie]

104. Today is no burn in SoCal.

The South Coast Air Quality Management District (SCAQMD) has declared a Residential No-Burn Day in your area.

Residents in your area are prohibited from burning wood or manufactured fire logs in indoor and outdoor residential wood burning fireplaces and stoves due to elevated fine particulate levels forecast by the SCAQMD.

When a residential no-burn alert is issued for your area, please refrain from burning wood throughout the entire day.

This program is being implemented under SCAQMD Rule 445, which requires mandatory wood-burning restrictions when PM2.5 particle pollution levels exceed 30 micrograms per cubic meter (90 AQI) in the months of November, December, January and February. This rule only applies to residences in the South Coast Air Basin at elevations below 3000 feet. Exemptions to Rule 445 are provided for homes where wood burning is the sole source of heat or where no natural gas service is available.

For further information on Rule 445 and alternatives to wood burning, please see http://healthyhearths.org

Kids asthma is on the rise.

Asthma Triggers: Gain Control

[Hekate]

153. Nov 1 through Feb 28 we're *supposed* to get rain in California, and it really cleans the air

However, we are now stuck in a prolonged and disastrous drought, so the air doesn't have a chance of getting washed clean.

Heavy winds, for those who aren't getting the picture, only increase the fire danger in the absence of rain -- which adds another whole horrible layer to lung disease.

[Vashta Nerada]

13. Wow.

It's about fire risk, not about getting lung cancer.

Just wow.

[LanternWaste]

15. I smoke in my apartment and I smoke in my car. If I smoked anywhere else...

I smoke in my apartment and I smoke in my car. If I smoked anywhere else, I'd be a self-absorbed asshole... though I'd certainly do my best to rationalize it as something else were that the case, like the absurd "I have the courage to smoke rather than the cowardice to quit! Rahr!!!" or some other Kafkaesque justification-- all to be an asshole and make myself feel better about my addiction.

[Dorian Gray]

102. You just described

my mother in law!

[Separation]

162. Here is a test for ya

My wife smokes, I don't, it doesn't bother me as long as she isn't putting them out on me. We had an apartment we lived in for 3 years that she smoked in all the time. When we got transferred and the movers started taking pictures off the wall...she was mortified. If you have live in your apt for a long period of time pull down some pictures an check out the walls.

Anywho, after that she stopped smoking in the house, also having kids stopped for a while and definitely not in the house anymore.

My daughter got her first car a few months ago and her and her mom went to town to get groceries and my wife went to go light up and my daughter looked at her and said "not in my car your not".

Cigarettes don't bother me, I've social smoked, boredom chewed, nicodermed, and e-cig'd. Once time all at once an got reaaaaaalllllllyyyy sick.

[pipi_k]

164. Something similar...

Both Mr Pipi and I quit smoking about a year and a half after moving into our present home.

When we did that, we noticed that there was an ever present stink...I washed the walls, and the cleaning rags were brown with residue.

Also...I have boxes packed away with stuff in them that hadn't seen the light of day since before we quit. One day I decided to look through one of them about 10 years after we quit smoking.

The stuff inside reeked, ten years later.

[Tikki]

18. Enough evidence has come to light to make not smoking the default in most situations...

I bet there is a place to smoke for every smoker; probably less places, but a place none the less.

Tikki

[nomorenomore08]

26. Yeah, in practical terms you can't really stop people from smoking outside, in the open.

I'm all for banning smoking indoors, and even close to outside doors and vents for that matter, but that's just common courtesy.

[patricia92243]

19. I get a killer headache that lasts for days from any type of smoke. I'm with the fanatics. I'm not

worried about dying from the smoke - just that it makes my life not worth living.

[HockeyMom]

24. So you never do any of these ordinary things?

Let other people BBQ for you when you aren't around? Never clean your oven?

[patricia92243]

38. I set my electric oven to clean when I am not going to be there for a day or two. I haven't eaten

BBQ food in years. Yes, it is restricting to not do some of the ordinary things that others take for granted, but it sure beats being in bed with a headache for 2-3 days.

[kcr]

35. Well, you should just live with the pain and misery

and not be a busy body!

[HockeyMom]

22. This is what my husband (former smoker) says

fireplaces, grilling, cleaning ovens, candles equals smoke equals lung cancer. Seriously? Tell me you don't agree with this/

[madinmaryland]

37. Here's the thing...

We may turn the gas fireplace on for an hour or two a night, and all the residue goes up the ceiling.

I use the gas grill for about 20 minutes a day about 20-30 times a year (outside)

I clean the oven a couple of times a year with conventional cleaners with the windows wide open.

Candles? Are you fucking serious??????

Do I or anyone else you know stick me head in charcoal grill for 4 hours a day, everyday of the year????

On the other hand, people who smoke spend most of the day engulfed in cigarette smoke. Seems to me to be a big difference.

BTW, my grandfather smoked and drank his entire life and lived to be 85. My other grandfather did none of those and lived to 85, also. What does that mean?? Absolutely nothing. It's just an interesting co-incidence.

[dlwickham]

52. burning candles can be hazardous

scented candles can give off hazardous fumes-you're heating up chemicals and breathing them in; I'm not sure how anyone can consider that healthy

if someone is going to burn candles, get some good old beeswax candles with cotton wicks and not wicks with metal cores because those could give off lead when burnt

[madinmaryland]

56. Doing it a few times a year for a couple of hours at a time is as bad as

smoking a pack or two of cigarettes a day? The twelve hours of burning candles equals the 1400 hours of sucking in cigarette smoke in a year??

Are you SERIOUS????

[dlwickham]

195. I doubt too many people who use scented candles do it a few times a year for a couple of hours

[Hassin Bin Sober]

57. Yep. My partner's sister just freaked out over her furnace filter

.... being clogged with soot after having a bunch of scented candles burning. She went down to the basement and noticed the furnace was overheating, pulled the filter and it was almost 100% clogged with black soot.

[appleannie1]

105. I am so sorry you have to live with that. Explain to him that your causing him to get lung cancer

from cleaning your oven is statistically less than him causing you to have a heart attack or stroke from all of the stress he is causing you from his nit picking. Life is not worth living if we can't enjoy ourselves and have a little fun and sometimes that means taking low grade risks.

[demigoddess]

27. I don't mind if you do those things but

considering all the droughts around, if you do those things and burn down my house, you should pay for it. BIG TIME!!!!! BTW, when someone smokes next door and burns their fireplace, it gets in my house. Is there any activity of mine that you would bar me from doing if it enters your house and gives you a headache. NOT CANCER, I HAVE ALREADY HAD THAT. I mean an ordinary headache that lasts for 2 or 3 days. If you won't allow me to do that you should BE QUIET.

[former9thward]

31. Go be a hermit then.

With your attitude you will never be happy anywhere. Get off my lawn!

[demigoddess]

95. not on your lawn

if your smoke comes into my house, I think it is more like you are on mine!!! Since when do you have a right to invade my lungs or burn my house down??? I used to live next door to a guy who said "I will do what ever I want with my land" as he defied the HOA. Then he walked all over my yard in order to "do what he wanted with his land". He also parked in other people's parking spots while his driveway sat empty. So we moved!

[former9thward]

97. "he defied the HOA."

Oh my, to the wall with him! No trial! People who live in HOAs are authoritarian worshipers so I'll never be living by you. Thank God.

[demigoddess]

99. he was running a junk yard in his

front yard. We had small lots there and little room for such a thing. I suppose you also tell people not to obey the laws concerning business licenses?? Junk yards can attract rats etc. I suppose you would be okay with that 15 ft from your front door?

[demwing]

30. If you try to not think about a purple gorilla

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you'll soon think of nothing else.

In the same vein, say "don't dare tell me you will get LUNG CANCER from fireplaces, grilling food, cleaning ovens, or burning candles" and of course, some one will step up to do just that...

Wood Burning Fireplace Cancer Risk:
https://fortress.wa.gov/ecy/publications/publications/92046.pdf

Grilling Cancer Risk:
http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/factsheet/Risk/cooked-meats

Oven Cleaner (Lye) Cancer Risk: (Ok...esophageal cancer, not lung cancer, and due to injestion, not inhalation. Still, would you breath it?)
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2800875?dopt=Abstract

Candle Cancer Risk: (No government source on this one so feel free to burn candles!)
http://www.acs.org/content/acs/en/pressroom/newsreleases/2009/august/romantic-candle-lit-dinners-an-unrecognized-source-of-indoor-air-pollution.html

[former9thward]

32. You could do a "study" like the ones you linked to for every activity on earth.

They mean nothing to people who actually know science.

[alarimer]

72. Those are legitimate scientific organizations.

I trust them a lot more than I trust some yahoo on a message board.

[former9thward]

81. Tens of millions of people would have lung cancer if those "studies" were legitimate.

But go ahead and live in fear. Its your life.

[demwing]

177. And you know this how?

tell you what, come up with a study you support that shows that breathing carcinogens does not cause cancer or serious health risks, and I'll gladly read it with an open mind.

[former9thward]

179. Ahh, the old prove a negative.

You might try a re-take of your logic class. Someone was sleeping.

[demwing]

182. Yeah. I thought as mich

Whining and finger pointing are all you've got...

[RebelOne]

34. I am 75 years old and have been a smoker since I was 16 years old.

I had a chest X-ray about 3 weeks ago for as part of a pre-op examination for cataract surgery, which I had this past Wednesday. My chest X-rays were clean, believe or not. I do not live in fear that cigarettes will kill me, but I know in the future the smoking will probably catch up with me.

But I know that smoking has contributed to my high blood pressure. I could not smoke after midnight on the day of my surgery. After surgery, my blood pressure dropped to normal because I had not smoked for 12 hours. That was a wake-up call to encourage me to stop smoking.

[madinmaryland]

40. Interesting that you mention that...

Both of my grandfathers lived to the same age (85).

One was a smoker and drank heavily, and the other did neither. The one that did not drink and smoke, did work in the mines in the 30's, but he died of natural causes.

What one must understand, I think you do, is that scientific evidence has shown that cigarette smoking does shorten lives.

I'm glad to see that you are thinking about quitting.

[RebelOne]

67. Yes, definitely as I would like to make it to 85. n/t

[rbrnmw]

36. Lung Cancer killed my Dad last year

He smoked almost all his life.

[davidpdx]

62. Killed my father 10 1/2 years ago

Cigs and stress=stroke

[seveneyes]

39. Yep, busybody nanny ninnys

Seems like more are born again everyday.

[Zorra]

41. Thanks for not smoking around my grandkids or pregnant daughter in law. nt

[uriel1972]

43. Medical science wants you to live longer healthier lives...

If you want to live a shorter, more miserable life, then feel free to do so.

[randome]

48. .

[hr][font color="blue"][center]Everything is a satellite to some other thing.[/center][/font][hr]

[Union Scribe]

66. Judging by the ranting

she's succeeded on one of those counts already.

[Eleanors38]

47. Prohibition maintains a sexiness to many Americans.

Fanatics or no, the standard, orthodox model of prohibition will be pursued in the same manner as both alcohol and drug prohibitions. There are bureus, prisons, bureaus, bidnesses, politicians, bureaus, consultants, police and bureaus waiting impatiently to be served. Same as it ever was.

[WillyT]

49. Aw HockeyMom ... Welcome To Northern California...

Marin County: No wood burning fires... bad air and all that.

Then you sit on the GoldenGate Bridge... behind belching buses and trucks... and thousands of cars, inhaling god knows what.

But... NO BURNING OF WOOD !!!

[Auggie]

88. Think how bad the air would be if we added wood burning fires

[dflprincess]

50. Like I needed another excuse not to clean the oven

but I really like this one.

[Bonobo]

53. It represents intolerant, judgmental behavior in many cases.

Not unexpected from a moralistic, preachy community of people that have sharpened their fangs in a culture where religion-based preaching and judging is the very air they breathe.

[Curmudgeoness]

58. Thank you for saying it.

I haven't got the nerve on this site to do it.

[fadedrose]

59. Years ago

We had a new home and got a combination wood-burning forced gas heating furnace.

My husband was a nonsmoker and loved the wood burner because it saved money. It almost killed me when the logs burned. I had to wait till he left to open the windows. Cigarette smoke isn't that bad if you're not close to it.

The odor of cigarettes or ashes isn't what kills you, it's the smoke. Keep a distance away from it.

I smoked for 57-58 years, usually in a well-vented area. Doctors complimented me on my clear lungs, couldn't get over it....

[XemaSab]

61. I have life threatening asthma

Fuck you back.

[KitSileya]

78. I agree.

I have a friend who has asthma, and thank goodness we can go out to cafes and restaurants now - we couldn't do that at the beginning of our friendship. Now we only have to cross the street when a smoker walks near us with a lit cig, or stand out in the rain if someone is smoking in the bus shelter. Do we throw them a dirty look? Yasureyabetcha we do!

[Blue_Tires]

124. +1

[Union Scribe]

63. "screw you, medical science"

I'm sorry who's the fanatic here?

[malletgirl02]

94. That stood out to me as well

Apparently to the OP medical science is bad and big tobacco is good.

[wheniwasincongress]

149. Them scientists are all crooks!

They said crystal healing nonsense, but my chakras aligned when I tried it! Don't listen to them! I hope their energy fields misalign and get stuck up their ass!!!!!!

[PeteSelman]

65. Hear hear! Fuck that paranoid bullshit!

Life is meant to be enjoyed.

[davidpdx]

69. I think in public places people have a right to not have to sit in someone else's smoke

In private, my opinion is smoke away. Both of my parents smoked when I was growing up. My mom quit in the mid-90's and she's now in her mid-60's doing very well health wise. My dad smoke up until the last day he lived. That was about a week after his 55th birthday. He had his first stroke at 42 (which left him with only partial use of the right side of his body and speech problems) and several in between before the last one that killed him.

[alarimer]

71. Burning wood causes air pollution, which causes asthma and other ills.

Burning wood introduces particulates in the air, and sometimes releases nasty chemicals, depending on the type of wood (especially treated products). This is a major source of air pollution. In countries where the people burn wood for cooking and heating, the air quality is very poor. In places with a lot of air pollution, you see lots of asthma, other lung problems, premature deaths.

You really should read up on the facts before you spout your ignorance.

[dipsydoodle]

76. Less so than car exhausts

and given that its the US that has done the most harm to the environment over the past 150 years you should all stop driving over there.

Which nations are most responsible for climate change? http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2011/apr/21/countries-responsible-climate-change

[SheilaT]

73. Non smokers are not under the impression they will live forever.

Really, they're not. But we do get it that we'll almost all have healthier and longer lives than the smokers.

I have a sister who is 18 months older than I am. Side by side you'd assume she's a good decade older. She's smoked most of her life. Didn't stop after a serious, nearly fatal heart attack at age 42. Supposedly stopped before her quadruple bypass surgery two years ago, although when I saw her at a family thing last May, she was sneaking out several times a day for a smoke.

The truth is that smoking is a huge cause of premature death. A huge cause of preventable premature death. It's for all practical purposes the only known risk factor for cancer.

So go ahead and smoke. One of these days I'll get tired of tolerating the reek of smokers and openly react to how much they stink when they come up to me where I work, thinking that because they were outside smoking before they came in to me, I can't tell they just smoked. Smokers are constantly complaining about how badly they're treated, but if people like me started letting them know how much they reek and what we really think of it, then they'd finally be able to say they're being badly treated.

I have zero sympathy for smokers. I've been known to tell friends who are smokers that if they are ever in the hospital dying of lung cancer or heart disease, I will have no qualms about visiting them and saying, "I told you so." Smokers are constantly expressing enormous surprise that they are now suffering from the effects of their smoking, as if the connection between smoking and various diseases was just uncovered last week. No. These things have been known for decades.

And please stop trying to equate smoking with obesity, or sky-diving, or some other dumb or risky thing. As bad as obesity is, it's still not in a category with smoking. And, while you can certainly live without cigarettes (and will probably live longer without them) you cannot live without food, at least not for very long.

[Skittles]

75. I'd take a smoker as a friend any day

over a smug, sanctimonious gal like you

just sayin'

[wocaonimabi]

77. I always find it amusing when a health nut drops dead prematurely

How often do you read or hear….Joe did not smoke or eat bad; he exercised and was kind to kids and small animals but Joe dropped dead at 45 anyway.

Only a lucky few know when their life will end the rest of us don’t, live your life as you see fit not how others want you to live it.

[SMC22307]

139. I don't find it funny when anyone drops dead. Prematurely or not.

But to each his or her own, though.

[beaglelover]

117. +1

n/t

[marions ghost]

80. Another health effect of smoking

that's not often mentioned is the connection with colon cancer.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/17/health/surgeon-general-report/

[pipi_k]

84. Same only opposite...

I have a sister who is 18 months older than I am. Side by side you'd assume she's a good decade older. She's smoked most of her life.

One of my younger sisters is about the same number of months younger than I am.

She has smoked for years, and she looks ten years older than I do.

[demigoddess]

98. Yes!! so agree with you, I can smell

a smoker from about 6 feet or so, sometimes farther away. Their sense of smell has gone so much that they don't know that they stink so much. There are a few houses in the neighborhood where you can smell a strong stench of cigarettes from the sidewalk out front. So glad smoking is dying out.

[Dorian Gray]

108. Wow

I hate smoke and wish nobody did it, too. But I would never treat another person the way you say you would if they were ill. HORRIBLE.

[SheilaT]

111. Keep in mind that I'm not going to say that

to some random smoking stranger, and I've never really said it to a smoking friend/acquaintance, for all that I've threatened to do so.

One thing that gets me is how someone will smoke and smoke, apparently never ever actually listen to the dangers of smoking, and then complain how unfair it is they now have lung cancer, heart disease, whatever. Yes, I've seen that happen. My above cited sister after her heart attack at age 42 was amazed to learn that smoking was connected to heart disease.

[Dorian Gray]

119. I know that it can be frustrating to watch someone

ignore their health and the obvious news that smoking is bad for them, but they are addicted to it, and they want to believe that it won't hurt them. My MIL is a three pack a day smoker in very obvious ill health. We've told her a few times that she should stop, but she's in denial.

It's sad. It's her life, and her eventual ill health. It's frustrating that she doesn't do anything about it. But it's her choice, really.

[LeftishBrit]

196. I hope you're not serious?

I'm a non-smoker, and I agree with banning smoking in enclosed public places (bans on smoking outside are over-the-top IMO); but I would NEVER go and sneer at a seriously ill person.

Smoking is an addiction, and one that is very hard to break. I have sadly known a few people who died of smoking-related causes - they all started very young and then were unable to break the habit. Anyone who gloated when they were dying would have risked violence from me, and I'm not a violent type.

[SheilaT]

198. Did you read my post above where I said I have never

actually said that to anyone.

But the amazing denial almost all smokers are in make climate change deniers and young world proponents almost seem like serious scientists.


Smoking dangerous? No, they say.

Smokers stink? Then don't get near me. Actually, it's the smoker who should stay away from the rest of us. And it's simply very, very difficult to have sympathy for anyone who chose to take up smoking any time in the last fifty years. That's how long ago the Surgeon General's report came out, and it's not as though the report was breaking news. For a good decade leading up to the report it was becoming well known that smoking simply wasn't a very good thing.

[Zorra]

85. Smoking in your car with all the windows closed is another option. nt

[pipi_k]

87. OK so...

I quit smoking in 1996, and really I don't care who smokes and who doesn't.

Well, with the exception of my kids. I really wish they didn't smoke.

But the general public?

Meh. People can do what they want.


My only problem is with smokers I've seen who say that there's no danger from secondhand smoke.

That's not an debate I want to get into, because who can tell if it's true or not.

But the thing about secondhand smoke that IS true is that if someone is smoking in close proximity to me, or if I have to walk through a crowd of smokers out puffing away on the sidewalk during a break, inevitably some of it will drift my way and I will also stink.

It would be awesome if there could be little enclosed cubicles for smokers out on the sidewalks with fans and filters so they can enjoy whatever flaming leaves they favor without inflicting stink on their surroundings. See, I'm not an anti-smoking fanatic at all...

[HockeyMom]

89. So you people are saying that

you will never burn logs in fireplace, clean your ovens, or burn candles? You might get cancer from that smoke too? Sorry, but that IS my definition of a fanatic.

[rustydog]

91. Would you bring your flip response to my brother please

He'll show you the surgery scar from the hype about smoking and lung cancer.

[HockeyMom]

92. I am not talking about CIGARETTE smoke here

If all smoke is bad, then he would never do any of the other things too?

[rustydog]

90. My brother is a lung cancer survivor- He didn't get it at the oxygen bar

He got it from SMOKING!
where you get your information for your rant is beyond me. But you do NOT have the right to smoke if your fucking smoke is being blown in my face.
Oh, by the way, I am an ex smoker for past 20 plus years. Yes, the medical experts are right. it is bad for you. But keep on denying "science" and "medicine" and death.

[HockeyMom]

93. My Uncle got lung cancer from working in the POST OFFICE

It ain't just from smoking you know. They blaimed it on the PAPER DUST. Hello? All of you people are missing my point entirely, which is that you CAN get lung cancer from other things besides cigarette smoke. So do you want to ban other forms of smoke also?

[pipi_k]

109. I think the main difference

between cigarette smoke and other types of smoke is that cigarette smoke is not incidental.

That is, cigarette smoke is meant to be sucked into the lungs, whereas other types of smoke aren't, so any ill effects from other types of smoke could be avoided by wearing a mouth/nose mask or whatever.

[HockeyMom]

126. Wear a mask cleaning your oven?

or putting on your fireplace when it's below freezing outside? Is that you how you want to live to reach old age? Maybe science can create an artifical bubble and everyone can just live in that? Oh, what FUN!

[pipi_k]

129. Let me ask

a question...


If a person chooses to wear a mask when doing those things, then what's your problem with it?

Hey, if you want to smoke, be my guest. No skin off my nose. My only request is that smokers stay away from me when they do it. That's all.


I'm just not understanding your attitude toward people who, logically or illogically to you, choose the things they may or may not want to die from.

Why are you being so confrontational about other people's fears?

[HockeyMom]

133. Endlessly again, this goes way beyond smoking

I was try to bring up a point about what a hypochondriac society America now is. Endless commercial for this pill and that pill. Ask your doctor!!!! MANDATORY vaccinations for this and that, even FLU! You will DIE if you DOCTOR isn't managing your entire life.

Again, who wants to live that that? I certainly don't and never have.

[pipi_k]

144. OK fine

You don't want to live that way. You don't have to.

Again, I'm not understanding why it matters to you what others choose to do with their health...whether they gulp down pills by the handful or whatever.

And if you don't want a mandatory flu vaccine, that's fine. Just stay away from people whose immune systems may be compromised, who may actually die from it rather than just being very sick for a week or two.

And no...people won't DIE if their doctors aren't managing their lives. One of my great uncles actually died right in the doctor's exam room while waiting for his routine exam.

[Union Scribe]

159. Your ranting is illogical.

Your entire premise in this thread is that you don't have certain conditions ergo fuck anyone who does and needs special consideration. God forbid you have to see a commercial for a medicine you don't need. Fuck those people who do, don't they know you're trying to watch TV? And flu shots? How dare they. Just because the flu is a major thing for many people and kills thousands. It hasn't killed you right? So what is everyone so worried about!

And this isn't the first time you've made this basically same thread, so I know that such irrational self-centered thinking isn't new.

[demwing]

181. I didn't miss your point

I just didn't think it was very valid.

[ismnotwasm]

100. Cancer?

Well. Yes and and heart diseases and COPD and a number of other problems
But this also kinda grosses me out.

What makes cigarettes so toxic and dangerous?

There are 4,000 chemical components found in cigarettes and at least 250 of them are harmful to human health, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Here are a few examples:

1,3-Butadine is a chemical used to manufacture rubber. According to the CDC, “it may increase risk of cancer in the stomach, blood and lymphatic system.”

Acrolein is a gas linked to lung cancer. It inhibits DNA repair and can destroy the lining in the lungs that protects you from lung disease.

Arsenic is used to preserve wood. In humans, it can cause heart disease and cancer.
Benzene is used to manufacture other chemicals. It can cause cancer, particularly leukemia, in humans.

Cadmium is a metal used to make batteries. Cadmium can interfere with the repair of damaged DNA, as well as damage the kidneys and the lining of the arteries.
Chromium VI is used to make alloy metals, paint and dyes. It has been proven to be linked to lung cancer.

Formaldehyde is a chemical used to kill bacteria and preserve human and animal remains. It’s a known cause of cancer, one of the main substances linked to chronic lung disease and a very toxic ingredient in secondhand smoke.

Polonium-210 is a radioactive element inhaled directly into the airway. Some studies show that people who smoke a pack-and-a-half of cigarettes a day are receiving the same radiation they’d get from 300-plus X-rays per year!

Tar is solid, inhaled chemicals linked with an increased risk for cancer. It also leaves a sticky, brown residue on your lungs, teeth and fingernails.

http://www.heart.org/HEARTORG/GettingHealthy/QuitSmoking/QuittingSmoking/Smoking-Do-you-really-know-the-risks_UCM_322718_Article.jsp#

[valerief]

101. Anyone who doesn't fear COPD should probably enjoy it. Now, take a deep breath...

Oh, sorry. I wasn't thinking.

[hlthe2b]

103. UNBELIEVABLE

Your post, that is..... Knock yourself out if that is your wish.

[markpkessinger]

106. Having lost both of my parents to lung cancer, just 12 days apart, due to decades of smoking...

... Mom on December 13, 2000 and Dad on Christmas Day, I think your rant smacks of utter denial. Just sayin'.

[Nika]

107. Shove a pack of cigarettes in it.

I grew up with a tobacco addicted Mom who would smoke with the windows up because the car's air conditioner was on and swore I would never suffer like that again.

Just shut up please and take your little cig outside to smoke it. Stifle yourself, no one wants to hear it.

[Arugula Latte]

112. Do you think it is okay for one smoker to ruin several diners' meals in a restaurant?

Every time I step into a restaurant or bar here in Oregon I thank "the fanatics" for sparing us the misery of being in an enclosed space with a smoker. If you are a smoker you probably have no idea how strong and disgusting the stench of cigarette smoke is and also how far it travels and how it clings to hair and smoke even if you just pass quickly through a cloud of it.

[RebelOne]

115. Many restaurants have smoking sections.

And many more do not allow smoking. I am a smoker, but if I am with a group of people who are non-smokers and the restaurant allows smoking, I do not smoke out of respect for my fellow diners.

[Arugula Latte]

157. Smoking sections are a complete joke.

One cigarette poisons a huge area of square footage. The smoke doesn't stay in boundaries. Before we had the restaurant smoking ban in this state we had to completely avoid restaurants that had smoking sections.

[pipi_k]

165. Yep...Some absolutely are a joke!

Two restaurants I can think of where the term "smoking section" was nothing short of ridiculous.

One had a non-smoking section in the back room. Unfortunately, in order to get there, people had to walk through the smoking section in front. Someone obviously put a lot of thought into that one...


Another had a smoking section in the back...only problem there was the room wasn't completely closed off from the non smoking section in front. Yes, there was a wall about 4 1/2 feet high, but the rest was open to the ceiling, and as far as I could tell, there was no air system sucking up the smoke and pumping it outdoors.


Now, thank goodness, all Mass bars, restaurants, and workplaces are smoke-free.

[Arugula Latte]

170. Yes, Democrats took over both branches of state government here, and five years ago a smoking ban

for restaurants was implemented. I noticed an immediate improvement in the quality of life in this state. It was a concrete example of why things are better under Democrats.

[kiawah]

121. Here's an idea.... If you don't like that a given restaurant allows smoking - eat somewhere else....

Isn't freedom wonderful!

[kwassa]

146. Smokers are banned in all restaurants here, and it is wonderful, and makes a huge difference.

There is no way to prevent air from a smoker's section from going into a non-smoking area. The very concept is a farce.

Personally, I think tobacco should be outlawed as a dangerous addictive drug.

[Arugula Latte]

158. Yep -- it's wonderful. Smokers can't puff away in any Oregon restaurants. Thank goodness!

Smokers have the freedom to avoid restaurants. Isn't that wonderful?!

[Pretzel_Warrior]

113. Where are you seeing a major backlash against BBQ?

I'm not seeing it other than scientific evidence that eating a lot of well done red meat on the grill can lead to cancers.

[Cleita]

114. I don't smoke, but the smoke nannies can get tiresome.

If you keep it away from them, it's none of their business what you do to your lungs. You have been informed and you are free to make your choices.

[Humanist_Activist]

116. My mother will never get to see her grandchildren grow up, nor even most of them born...

She died at the ripe old age of 62 last January, many months away from being 63. She has a granddaughter that bears her name that was born a year to the the day that she died(preclampsia required early delivery, thank goodness she is healthy), and my mother smoked since she was 12 years old until the year before she died, when she was diagnosed with lung cancer. The chemo took a lot out of her, the hospice care was peaceful at least, she was able to be surrounded by loved ones in the end, we had it done at home, and we made sure she was out of pain until she passed.

The only good thing to come from it is the fact that both me and my fiancee will be smoke free for a year starting as of March, even now we struggle.

So go take your self righteousness and shove it where the sun don't shine.

[HockeyMom]

138. I am older than your mother

and having my first grandchild. According to all these commericals today, I should have been dead long before I ever had kids to begin with (30 and 35). The odds that I will live to see him grow up when I am in 80s, let alone 1,000 miles away, is practically nil.

Blame that not on health, but people not having kids in their teens or early 20s. Look at the big picture. Science cannot make you live FOREVER, or give you the money to re-locate..

[WhiteTara]

118. You do know that particulate matter caught in the lungs

will call illness? Sorry for that fact.

Wood stoves produce prodigious amounts of particulate matter and most stoves now are manufactured to reduce particulate matter before it is discharged in the atmosphere (my wood stove was am Earth Lab with a catalytic converter.) Burned food is unhealthy (plus not very tasty) otherwise it would be a great fad in all the fancy restaurants.

Thank you for smoking outside, and now would you please step away from the door so I don't have to be subjected on my way in and out of a building...I call it the cigarette gauntlet.

In addition to the smoke from candles, there is petroleum products with their own chemicals in commercial candles.

My mother is dead from her pleasure of inhaling cigarette smoke. She died of COPD (emphysema) which was really a difficult death for her and all around her as she coughed her lungs into tissues.

And of course, we all die and it sounds like this is your chosen way. But again, please do step away from the door. Thanks.

[Iggo]

122. 3 weeks. You'll feel better. I promise.

[Hekate]

123. There, there. Microwave a little herbal tea.

I'm not sure I even want to know what got on your last nerve, but surely you are not being that persecuted.

[HockeyMom]

125. That this thread has gotten 50 posts

totally freaks me out, and proves my point.

[catbyte]

128. Freaking A, HockeyMom!

Who needs to be healthier when they die? Seriously, something is gonna get ya one way or another. Charbroil that ribeye.

[HockeyMom]

135. I smoked tomatoes inside my house 2 days ago

even living in Florida where I could do it outside! HORROR! SMOKE!!!!!

[catbyte]

137. That's ridiculous! I'll bet those tomatoes are awesome, though. YUM!

[HockeyMom]

140. They WERE

Pan seared fresh trout (SMOKE). Delicious, even with all that deady smoke.

[catbyte]

143. Now THAT is living!

[kwassa]

147. But it's also DYING!

Funny how those things sometimes go together.

[catbyte]

160. LOL. You're also DYING when you eat a vegan macrobiotic diet. That's just what we do.

[pipi_k]

145. It's true

that eventually we'll all go some way or another...

But I would say the trick is to try real hard to avoid going in the most painful and humiliating ways possible.

and, by extension, avoiding putting your loved ones through the pain of seeing you going through the worst type of hell.

[NYC Liberal]

152. By that logic, why have any regulation at all?

No workplace safety laws. No building codes. No environmental laws. No FDA. 'Cause after all, "something is gonna get ya one way or another."

[L0oniX]

132. Might as well text while riding a murdercycle too. Death Wish VII

[oneshooter]

136. When I fire up the smoker and stick a couple of

briskets on it nobody complains. They just ask when they will be done and what side do we want them to bring.

[idendoit]

141. Feel free to do whatever you want.

You have no right to pollute the air I breathe while you do it.

[HockeyMom]

142. Anyone who GRILLS near your home

is polluting your air space. Get it????

[ismnotwasm]

148. But it doesn't stink like dead dog shit.

[idendoit]

154. Yep. Do you?

[cry baby]

150. yeah, screw you, medical science!

*eye rolls*

[wheniwasincongress]

151. Keep up the battle!

What plight you have been struck with, cast out by the ones who do not smoke, into the solitary world where only an ivory tower is allowing of your presence. A spider, spinning his web, for an unwary fly...

[tandot]

155. Can you please hear me out?

Can you please hear me out?

I was a smoker until I was 30. My parents smoked … making me addicted to a substance that I had no choice over. I finally quit for good when I was 30.

My husband’s parents smoked … he had asthma … a lot of episodes triggered by his parent’s smoking. He never picked up the habit because he resented and hated what smoking did to his parents and him.

My work sometimes requires me to spend about 2 hours of time with people in a confined space. I don’t know if the person smokes until they get there, we never ask that question. I am in a small room with them and the fumes emitting from them makes me light-headed and nauseous for the rest of the day. Stuff that smokers never would notice. I know that I am not alone.

Everyone in our family quit smoking. Our son will be 5 in a few months and has no experience with people smoking around him. Whenever he smells the smoke, he asks us what that “stinky” smell is. We are trying to explain it to him but I want to do it in a way not to hate the smoker but still not think it is a normal thing to do.
We have spare-the-air days here in Northern California because the air is so bad, that we don’t want to add smoke by burning wood in the fire place. We adhere to it. There are people with problems with lung disease and asthma, who just simply can’t breathe when the air is bad.

We own a house and the house next to it is rental. The new renters are smokers. She is smoking cigarettes and he is smoking cigars. They can’t do it inside so they go outside to do it. So, it has limited our son’s outside time because as soon as he smells it, he asked me about that “stinky” smell (and he doesn’t do it in a quiet way … the neighbors can hear him) and us trying to explain to him why people smoke. What is a mom to do? Should I tell him that is totally cool to smoke …

Whatever you say, smoking is not a healthy habit. I haven’t found a way to explain to my son.

[fried eggs]

156. Good luck with whatever it is you're going through

Most of your examples are exaggerated (nonexistent) so I'm guessing there's something else bothering you?

[durablend]

161. This is what happens when you vote for LIBS!

Damn busybodies telling me what to do!!!! GOD GIVEN RIGHT to dump toxic waste in the river if I feel like it (angrily shaking fist)

VOTE EM ALL OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Blue_Adept]

163. At dinner out last night...

I rarely go out for dinner in what you'd call a "real" restaurant. Occasionally a bit of fast food here and there while trying to make various kids activities. Most of the time it's cooking at home, which I prefer. But last night the family was out doing some shopping in one of the major areas around here and we opted to go to the British Beer Company for dinner.

Good food, absolutely lousy service.

When we left, I was shocked when I go outside the front door. Yeah, I expected the cold New England weather. But it had been so long since I had dinner out that I was really hit by the smoke outside. From a single person, twenty feet away. It's so rare that I get that smell anymore that the rare times that I do, it reminds me how absolutely abhorrent it is.

I grew up with a multi-pack per day parent that smokes constantly and still does. Dangerously so even while afflicted with COPD and other health issues. I can barely visit him in his place because of the absolute stench of it.

So, yeah. Go health nuts.

[Ikonoklast]

166. I feel sorry for addicts making excuses for their addictions.

They usually find other people to blame for it, too.

[pipi_k]

167. That's the insanity

behind it all, unfortunately.


My second husband was an alcoholic. He just couldn't stop, no matter how sick it made him...and there were times he would be passed out on the kitchen floor, his face red and swollen as if he had been stung by hundreds of bees... Then he would wake up and puke his guts out. After he felt better, he would start drinking again.


Anyway, he would often say I was the reason why he drank...totally forgetting that he had told me he started drinking when he was 13...waaaaaayyyy before we ever met.

Insane.

anyway, alcohol and smoking finally killed him, at the age of 48.

[Ikonoklast]

174. Sad. There are those who just cannot stop themselves, no matter the pain it causes.

Some realize too late they are addicted.

There are those who choose slow suicide.

There are those who'll do anything to still their internal demons from screaming, even if only for a few hours.


All horrible afflictions of mind and body.

[Xyzse]

168. Huh?

I've never actually heard of some of them going against fireplace, grills and so forth.

That is new to me.

I love grilling.

[Orrex]

169. Maybe you should revisit that party where they made you feel like a queen

I'd hate to think that someone caused you a slight inconvenience on your way to enjoying the smoky pleasures of everyday life.

[Paladin]

172. +1. (nt)

[sabrina 1]

173. Some people are just plain paranoid and will jump at anything that makes them

feel like victims. But the rabid anti-smoking fanatics don't worry about the air they are breathing every day NOT from someone walking by with a cigarette btw. Or the water they are drinking or the food they are eating filled with poisonous preservatives.

[Manifestor_of_Light]

178. My right to not get sick with bacterial bronchitis and asthma

from being around a smoker is more important than your right to smoke in front of me and make me sick within 2 days. That means a doctor visit and it costs money.

I have never lived anywhere with a fireplace, I don't grill, I don't have a self-cleaning oven. My house is all electric. I don't know what you're ranting about, because you're having a nicotine fit, maybe? They have gum and patches for that.

Your right to smoke stops when it affects others and makes them sick.

Like people who gripe about wearing a seat belt as government interference, because "they want to be thrown clear of the wreck if they have one." Well, it costs society money for medical care for people in wrecks who don't wear seat belts. And they get thrown clear of the wreck, but they don't think about the impact, and being completely ignorant of Newton's laws, they usually die. Same thing with bikers who think wearing a helmet is government interference, when it's saving the collective society money. But non-helmet wearers have an upside called "organ donors."

I have never smoked and I have scar tissue in my lungs, visible on an x-ray, because my parents smoked when I was little. They stopped smoking in the mid-1960s, when it was first publicized that smoking caused lung cancer, according to the Ochsner Clinic of New Orleans.

Mom's unfiltered Marlboros didn't help any. I had a perpetual runny nose at school(un-airconditioned elementary school in hot humid Texas).

I was doing well to learn anything. I've been in the hospital untold numbers of times with pneumonia and bronchitis because of a weakened immune system as an adult.

I'm an anti-smoker because respiratory disease has come within an inch of killing me five times, at last count.

[HockeyMom]

184. MEEEEE Society

Do you not realize you are all doing exactly what Republicans do? It is all about MEEEEEEE! MY religous rights. You will hurt MEEEEEEE! Everything they do is all about MEEEEE.

Your smoking with affect MEEEEE. Your grilling with affect MEEEE. Your not getting vaccinated will affect MEEEEEEE!

This is precisely what they are doing. YOU are doing exactly the same thing. It is just the opposite side of the coin.

[pipi_k]

193. Yeah, well...

Smokers (and just about anyone else with an addiction) also have a MEEEEE complex


Take away their "right" to smoke, and it's all about MEEEEE

Raise the price of their favorite substance and it's all about MEEEE

Ever see what happens when an addict (nicotine or otherwise) gets down to the last of his/her favorite substance? The addict will walk through fire...drive through a blizzard or torrential rainstorm to buy more of their substance. Because it's all about MEEEEE

And, finally, too many addicts, when faced with a family pleading with him to get help for/stop the addiction, totally ignore those pleas. Because for them, it's all about MEEEEE

So please spare us the bullshit. If people don't want to be exposed to certain things for health or esthetic reasons, there's nothing wrong with that. Don't even think of playing the political card on that one

[pipi_k]

194. Ps... One more

One more example of addiction fueled MEEEEE behavior...


Willfully putting not just the health and/or esthetic enjoyment of other people at risk, but their very LIVES as well...as when some idiot who lives in a multifamily dwelling causes a fire due to what is called hazardous disposal of smoking materials. There have been a rash of that type of fire recently in my general area. People can, and have, died. If someone lives in a stand alone home, then go for it. Burn the whole goddamned house to the ground.

But people who live in multifamily dwellings had better realize pretty damned fast that it's not just about MEEEEEE anymore

[LeftishBrit]

197. I am baffled

Who says you will get lung cancer from burning candles?

In a number of places in the UK (e.g. most of London) there are indeed severe restrictions on burning materials that produce smoke in open fireplaces. This is to control air pollution; and is one of the measures that ended the once-notorious London smogs.

Cleaning the oven? Well, I suppose it can give off a smell, and some might prefer to have the window open while it's being done.

I have never heard of anyone objecting to someone grilling food or burning candles, unless the people doing these activities are reckless about fire risks.

But in none of these cases is lung cancer a concern, to the best of my knowledge.