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Could we please have a gender wars forum with rules similar to Israel/Palestine or the gungeon? (Original Post) peacebird Feb 2014 OP
sounds good to me quinnox Feb 2014 #1
That would be nice. I wonder how many posters would post in there? Autumn Feb 2014 #2
yes, we should give women a separate but equal forum to discuss 'women's issues' geek tragedy Feb 2014 #3
+++ <---- can't add enough of these. n/t Whisp Feb 2014 #17
Geek, what do you think of treating "womens' issues" like "guns" Eleanors38 Feb 2014 #37
Guns are tools. Women are people Scootaloo Feb 2014 #45
Clean up your language, OK? nt Eleanors38 Feb 2014 #50
No. Scootaloo Feb 2014 #56
Which part? Nt Eleanors38 Feb 2014 #69
Expand, please. yewberry Feb 2014 #46
Sure. Have GD be as open to feminist issues as you please... Eleanors38 Feb 2014 #51
The OP referenced "Gender Wars", ie: both viewpoints. You, of course ... 11 Bravo Feb 2014 #68
interesting you made this thread at a time when there is just 1, maybe 2-3 on the first page JI7 Feb 2014 #4
Guess the latest outburst had finally driven me to ask if we couldn't have a forum for them. peacebird Feb 2014 #5
was it getting in the way of something else you wanted to discuss ? JI7 Feb 2014 #7
Nope. yewberry Feb 2014 #6
just like the intent of this thread JI7 Feb 2014 #9
I don't think that's fair. nt yewberry Feb 2014 #15
Seems like some posters thrive on being goaded. Vashta Nerada Feb 2014 #10
So people shouldn't post about what they're passionate about publicly? yewberry Feb 2014 #22
Uh huh. Vashta Nerada Feb 2014 #29
LOL, okay. yewberry Feb 2014 #43
They haven't been proven wrong since laundry_queen Feb 2014 #49
I really hate the gender wars but would also hate women's issued to be banished to a seperate forum Bjorn Against Feb 2014 #8
I would like to know who these alleged misogynists are. Comrade Grumpy Feb 2014 #11
If I were to name them I would get my post hidden as a callout Bjorn Against Feb 2014 #13
I do not see anything wrong with the swimsuit issue. I am a 56 yo woman. i remember going to my peacebird Feb 2014 #12
i see what this is about now JI7 Feb 2014 #14
The problem is not the Swimsuit Issue as much as it is a lack of respect Bjorn Against Feb 2014 #18
Agreed Bjorn Against! btrflykng9 Feb 2014 #47
I am not picking on you TM99 Feb 2014 #55
I don't know what specifically I stated you object to... Bjorn Against Feb 2014 #59
My post most certainly addressed your 'objections'. TM99 Feb 2014 #62
The woman who posted the SI thread posts in the Men's Group Hot Celebrity thread and she knows seaglass Feb 2014 #64
So because she posted in one thread TM99 Feb 2014 #65
Many posts, I'm familiar with the themes. No mind reading. n/t seaglass Feb 2014 #67
You obviously have no respect for women Bjorn Against Feb 2014 #66
Ah, I was waiting for that default position TM99 Feb 2014 #70
thank you for your contributions to this discussion RainDog Feb 2014 #74
Very little offends me these days. TM99 Feb 2014 #77
and many of us don't enjoy that type of treatment, just because you are ok with it JI7 Feb 2014 #20
Good post. senseandsensibility Feb 2014 #30
well goodie for you. Whisp Feb 2014 #25
Not what I said. I only said what *i* experienced. peacebird Feb 2014 #31
some people do live a charmed life, most don't. n/t Whisp Feb 2014 #33
I believe it's called History of Feminism KamaAina Feb 2014 #16
HOF and Men's are the trenches, GD is no man's land. NuclearDem Feb 2014 #19
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Feb 2014 #23
No. I would sooner we have a general Battle Royale forum or a formal Debate Forum Whisp Feb 2014 #21
I love that idea and would read the heck out of that. And it would sharpen people's debate skills Ed Suspicious Feb 2014 #53
I logged in this morning and I was like holy cow all is quiet in GD. Jesus Malverde Feb 2014 #24
Thanks for the suggestion! I had forgotten I could hide threads, it has made life so much better! peacebird Feb 2014 #72
Rules? We need no stinkin' rules. kwassa Feb 2014 #26
GD stands for Gender Dungeon. nt ZombieHorde Feb 2014 #27
Unfortunately... CFLDem Feb 2014 #32
I actually have no problem with the gender posts. ZombieHorde Feb 2014 #39
The problem with the SOP in GD is the ability to corrupt it. Eleanors38 Feb 2014 #38
I don't really care about the gender posts. ZombieHorde Feb 2014 #40
The SOP should be dropped, and GD returned to Meta-status Eleanors38 Feb 2014 #42
Sure. Scootaloo Feb 2014 #28
No CFLDem Feb 2014 #34
Never could buy a damn thing with just two cents. n/t Scootaloo Feb 2014 #35
Ya CFLDem Feb 2014 #48
Gender wars is like Storage Wars The Straight Story Feb 2014 #36
There is already a Group for the most obnoxious of the gender warriors. RC Feb 2014 #41
That awkward moment when a man tells women that they're inadequate as feminists because geek tragedy Feb 2014 #57
Did you come up with that yourself, or did you Google that? RC Feb 2014 #58
As tired as you are of hearing about the gender war LostOne4Ever Feb 2014 #44
Could we please stop chervilant Feb 2014 #52
How about we stop allowing the crap in the first place madokie Feb 2014 #54
Ummm... NO? Texasgal Feb 2014 #60
That ain't gonna happen nadinbrzezinski Feb 2014 #61
You know what would be REALLY awesome? Spider Jerusalem Feb 2014 #63
Thank you. Really, thank you. yewberry Feb 2014 #71
^THAT. LeftyMom Feb 2014 #73
I'm not a participant in a Gender War boston bean Feb 2014 #75
Honestly? There's no gender war in DU. Sarah Ibarruri Feb 2014 #76
But if that happened how would I know when Porn Wars 2014 has begun? Violet_Crumble Feb 2014 #78
We have six. People still freak out when a feminist is even slightly assertive in GD on gender Recursion Feb 2014 #79
 

quinnox

(20,600 posts)
1. sounds good to me
Fri Feb 21, 2014, 07:58 PM
Feb 2014

It would be a way to get rid of the multiple threads and battling groups who tend to "carpet bomb" general discussion with this topic. Because these threads take on a life of their own, and generate counter-threads, and in turn more counters, etc.

A forum devoted to it would be popular for the popcorn value alone!

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
3. yes, we should give women a separate but equal forum to discuss 'women's issues'
Fri Feb 21, 2014, 07:59 PM
Feb 2014

if someone cares to call out Rush Limbaugh for misogyny, it would go into the gender wars forum

if someone wants to call out the Republican war on women, into the gender wars forum

domestic violence? gender wars

btw:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1136

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
37. Geek, what do you think of treating "womens' issues" like "guns"
Fri Feb 21, 2014, 11:51 PM
Feb 2014

is treated in GD? Now, it's plenty of "gunz bad" OPs; but countering viewpoints, not so much. Sounds like a good deal, from your point of view.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
45. Guns are tools. Women are people
Sat Feb 22, 2014, 04:09 AM
Feb 2014

And if you really think one is like the other, then you are a fucked-up person.

yewberry

(6,530 posts)
46. Expand, please.
Sat Feb 22, 2014, 04:26 AM
Feb 2014

You think plenty of "wimmenz bad" OPs going unchallenged are a good idea?

Probably not... maybe you're trying to make an unrelated point about guns? If so... unrelated.

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
51. Sure. Have GD be as open to feminist issues as you please...
Sat Feb 22, 2014, 10:57 AM
Feb 2014

Have GD be just as open to gun discussions as well (note title of OP). Both topics opened in just the same way, no distorted SOPs, no policy hidden agenda, no censorship. If you wish to ban the "C word," fine; I'd ban the penis metaphor (which should eliminate half of the "debate&quot .

What do you think?

11 Bravo

(23,926 posts)
68. The OP referenced "Gender Wars", ie: both viewpoints. You, of course ...
Sat Feb 22, 2014, 03:41 PM
Feb 2014

then proceeded to portray this as a call to shuffle women into some sort of a "separate but equal" forum. (Nice touch, that; but one as sensitive as yourself should probably know that such a comparison might be offensive to African-Americans.) From there you went into some incomprehensible blather about how posts condemning the misogyny of Limbaugh and Republicans, posts which have not even met with mild disagreement, let alone "war"; and in fact have never received anything less than widespread acclaim, would also disappear into your imaginary gulag.

And all of this from an individual who devoted numerous posts earlier in the week to whining about how their words had been "mischaracterized".

You're like the DU version of an ambulance-chasing lawyer, ever eager to race to the scene of anything, knowing that even if you don't have a case you're sure to cop a fee, even if it's only in the form of a few more recs for your next OP.

It's comical, but not really funny.

JI7

(89,240 posts)
4. interesting you made this thread at a time when there is just 1, maybe 2-3 on the first page
Fri Feb 21, 2014, 08:01 PM
Feb 2014

of the forum.

yewberry

(6,530 posts)
6. Nope.
Fri Feb 21, 2014, 08:08 PM
Feb 2014

Look, I understand the frustration, I really do. It's plain tiresome.

But what about something like this recent Sports Illustrated episode? That was someone deciding, "Heehee, I'll post some T&A, that'll get them going." And it did. Sadly, there are lots of people here whose intent it is to goad other DUers.

We need to be able to point out bullshit like that when it happens, where it happens.

JI7

(89,240 posts)
9. just like the intent of this thread
Fri Feb 21, 2014, 08:11 PM
Feb 2014

seems like the poster was upset there was only 1 thread on the first page.

 

Vashta Nerada

(3,922 posts)
10. Seems like some posters thrive on being goaded.
Fri Feb 21, 2014, 08:12 PM
Feb 2014

They never comment on anything else in GD unless it's about gender.

yewberry

(6,530 posts)
22. So people shouldn't post about what they're passionate about publicly?
Fri Feb 21, 2014, 08:46 PM
Feb 2014

Been here long enough to know what names I'll see in education posts. A "Nannystater!!1!" thread? Yup, I know who I'm likely to see there. Oh, gee, a thread about the latest gunshot victims across the country... and there they are. People can and do post about things they feel strongly about.

So friggin what?

"Thrive on being goaded"... really, that's ridiculous. There's no reason to go out of one's way to infuriate people-- that's just shit-stirring.

yewberry

(6,530 posts)
43. LOL, okay.
Sat Feb 22, 2014, 02:47 AM
Feb 2014

In order to be proven wrong, you have to actually say something. Engaging in a silly "Some might say..." campaign against unnamed someones isn't exactly speaking truth to power.

laundry_queen

(8,646 posts)
49. They haven't been proven wrong since
Sat Feb 22, 2014, 05:43 AM
Feb 2014

last july...lol.

Some of us have been here long enough to recognize that many names in the gender threads were people who once participated often in many topics...until the more recent nastiness started. I don't blame people for not wanting to hang out in GD...it's not the same place it used to be.

Bjorn Against

(12,041 posts)
8. I really hate the gender wars but would also hate women's issued to be banished to a seperate forum
Fri Feb 21, 2014, 08:11 PM
Feb 2014

There are a small handful of misogynists on this site that are deserving of the ban hammer however, there are a few on the feminist side that seem to take things too far as well although I must admit that the more blatant misogyny I see the more I can understand why those feminists are so upset and I am willing to cut them a little more slack.

I think if the misogynists were shown the door the gender wars would quiet down pretty quickly.

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
11. I would like to know who these alleged misogynists are.
Fri Feb 21, 2014, 08:19 PM
Feb 2014

Or at least see examples of their alleged misogyny.

I think some people throw the term around a bit loosely, and it often appears to be a substitute term for "you disagree with me."

I already know (so you don't have to bother, Geek Tragedy) that there was one seriously unhinged low-count poster who did a pretty fucked up rant and got banned, but other than that, I don't really see it.

Failing to be sufficiently outraged over this, that, or the other doesn't really qualify.

This is a progressive discussion board, and I think the vast majority of posters are not misogynists.

Bjorn Against

(12,041 posts)
13. If I were to name them I would get my post hidden as a callout
Fri Feb 21, 2014, 08:28 PM
Feb 2014

I said there were a small handful and that is what I meant, I am not calling for mass bannings but the few who are really causing problems should be shown the door. I don't think it should be too hard to figure out who I am talking about, there are a few who consistently show up in all the gender threads to cause problems. Most DUers are sick of it.

peacebird

(14,195 posts)
12. I do not see anything wrong with the swimsuit issue. I am a 56 yo woman. i remember going to my
Fri Feb 21, 2014, 08:23 PM
Feb 2014

first professional conference as an engineer, there were 99 men and me. Some hit on me, some talked to me like I was their daughter, some treated me as an equal. I was not offended. Ultimately I have found in most places I have worked that talent won out over sexism. And the few times it did not, it was always a woman manager who felt threatened by another woman. I have never run into a male manager who was not willing to listen, discuss, and treat me as an equal.

Bjorn Against

(12,041 posts)
18. The problem is not the Swimsuit Issue as much as it is a lack of respect
Fri Feb 21, 2014, 08:38 PM
Feb 2014

I am not so much bothered by the Swimsuit Issue, I am bothered by the lack of respect shown to women by posting pictures from that swimsuit issue just to poke at them. If people want to look at the swimsuit issue on their own time that is fine, if people want to look at pictures of elderly men modeling thongs on their own time that is also fine with me, but I don't think posting pictures of elderly men in thongs in GD would be considered respectful behavior so I don't think we need young women in thongs in GD either.

It is about respecting everyone on this site, people come here for political discussion if they want to see soft porn there are other sites for that, no reason to disrespect people by posting it here.

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
55. I am not picking on you
Sat Feb 22, 2014, 12:03 PM
Feb 2014

however, you have stated something that I have repeatedly seen in these various threads that I do wish to challenge and get answers for.

First, the original Swimsuit Issue thread was started by a woman, yes, a woman. Are you and others in your outrage disparaging her bisexuality or agency to also be attracted to women? The photo in question was not pornographic nor was it particularly provocative.

Second, while it may have been more prudent to post the Swimsuit Issue thread in the Lounge with the weekly LOL Cats threads instead of General Discussion but how is this any different that numerous GD threads between 2008 and 2011 and perhaps even more recent (use Google yourself) that waxed poetic about a 'dreamy' President Obama at the beach frolicking in the surf in his swimsuits replete with his physically fit body in black trunks glistening with beads of seawater on his tight abs.

Why is one 'objectification' and inappropriate on a political discussion forum and the other is not? Neither are political in nature. Both show a man and several women that probably none of us here personally know in swimsuits looking 'attractive'. The sole purpose of both threads were not to discuss politics but to appreciate the beauty of the human form, right?

The reason many are tired of 'gender wars' and are pushing back against a small but vocal contingent of DU members is that this is hypocrisy plain and simple. If we want to respect everyone on this site, then it must be uniform and universal, correct? If swimsuit photos of women should never be here, then no male ones should either. Sorry, that also includes dreamy President Obama in his swimsuit. Due to health problems, I am currently obese, and I do not want to be subjected to viewing photos of a attractive and muscular men who are more physically fit and beautiful than I am currently.

And if the logic is that this is a political forum solely for the purpose of political discussion, then beginning immediately all forums that are not directly involving politics must be eliminated or heavily policed so that the topics are always kept on the political. This means no Arts & Humanities groups, no Entertainment groups, no Computer & Internet groups, etc. Sadly, that also means that we should get rid of the Lounge and those damned cute & adorable LOL Cats weekly threads because I am sorry, no matter how wonderful they are and how much I look forward to them, they are simply not political in nature and do not belong on this site. Period. This is a political discussion forum after all.

Bjorn Against

(12,041 posts)
59. I don't know what specifically I stated you object to...
Sat Feb 22, 2014, 02:40 PM
Feb 2014

Your response does not seem to address ny objection at all, instead you seem more focused on something I specifically said I did not object to.

I do not object to the swimsuit issue so the fact that a woman started it is irrelevent to me, as I said if people want to read the swimsuit issue on their own time that is fine with me.

As far as the pictures of a shirtless Obama, not a single one of them was posted by me and I found those threads pretty ridiculous but unlike the swimsuit issue photos they at least were vaguely connected to politics.

We may have lots of forums for non-political material here and if you want to request a seperate group for photos of scantily clad women be my guest, I won't object to your request personally although I suspect Skinner might. The one plus side I see for such a forum however is that it would be easy for the people who don't want to see it to block it and that would address my real objection.

As I stated my objection is not the swimsuit issue, my issue is that people are posting images of the swimsuit issue to poke at women who they know don't want to see it. There is no other purpose in posting these photos other than to offend women, it is borderline sexual harrassment. If someone were to send such photos to a female co-worker it would certainly constitute sexual harrassment and get someone fired, while DU is not quite the same as the workplace this becomes more of a borderline case but we should have enough respect for our community to not post sexual images that have nothing to do with the political discussion that is supposed to be the focus of GD.

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
62. My post most certainly addressed your 'objections'.
Sat Feb 22, 2014, 03:00 PM
Feb 2014

How was the posting of the 50th Anniversary swimsuit edition cover by a woman a poke at women who don't want to see it? That is a level of mind reading that is untenable.

This is not a workplace. It is not even remotely borderline sexual harassment, and bluntly trying to pretend it is so greatly devalues what is actual sexual harassment in any public arena. You are not forced or coerced in any way to click on any forum link and read any post made here. You voluntarily choose to do so with full agency. You financial security does not require it. Your families well-being if you stop posting here are not in jeopardy. No one is taking away your agency.

You are additionally making several gross assumptions.

First, no one including myself ever suggested that there should be a separate group for 'scantily clad women'.

Two, only someone with their own personal issues (and I do not pretend to know what exactly those are) would attempt to equate three women in swimsuits on the cover of Sports Illustrated as being 'sexual images'.

Third, the reason I brought up Obama in a swimsuit photos already previously posted here at DU is that there is literally NO difference between those. They have no intrinsic value for political discussion, neither are overtly 'sexual images', yet one is of three women and one is of our male president. Why is one acceptable as it is on the face of it and the other is somehow magically imbued with hidden meanings such as 'overt sexuality', 'objectification', 'personal attacks on specific members', etc.?

And while I may agree that such frivolous and non-political threads ought to be in the Lounge or any other groups rather than in General Discussion, a blanket policy must be adhered to and properly enforced. Again, the reason why I brought up Obama in the swimsuit is that just like the SI cover, it too was posted in General Discussion. Why was it allowed there? Why was it not in the Barack Obama Group or the Lounge?

seaglass

(8,171 posts)
64. The woman who posted the SI thread posts in the Men's Group Hot Celebrity thread and she knows
Sat Feb 22, 2014, 03:06 PM
Feb 2014

that women on DU have voiced objection to it. No mind reading required.

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
65. So because she posted in one thread
Sat Feb 22, 2014, 03:08 PM
Feb 2014

it follows that she must have done it just to piss of the women who would voice objection to it?

Yes, that is still mind reading.

Bjorn Against

(12,041 posts)
66. You obviously have no respect for women
Sat Feb 22, 2014, 03:09 PM
Feb 2014

My objection was not to the swimsuit issue it was to the lack of respect, you do not even address my real objection and instead claimed I had "personal issues" because I viewed a picture of three topless women in thongs with their butts extended towards the camera as a sexual image. Pretty much everyone would view such an image as a sexual image and they do not all have personal issues as you claim they do. I have no problem with sexual images per se, but I do have a problem with those images being used in a way that is disrespectful to women.

You can't even admit that women are being disrespected which was my main objection, you make two really long posts pretending my objection is to something completely different but fail to even mention the issue of respect in either of your posts despite the fact that was my main objection. This tells me that you do not care if women are disrespected.

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
70. Ah, I was waiting for that default position
Sun Feb 23, 2014, 01:13 AM
Feb 2014

to be expressed.

I am sorry and I stand by my assessment. Not everyone would see such an image and immediately believe it was sexual. I will not bore the readers with a long discussion on the differences between sexuality, eroticism, and the like or how nude art is really not the same as pornography.

Several women here felt disrespected. The community as a whole did not including both men and women. The administration did not lock the thread. Juries did not hide the posts. If disagreement with a specific situation now means disrespecting all women in all situations, then yes, you are dealing with personal issues. That is hyperbolic and logically unsound. I will be sure to let all of the females who have relationships of deep respect with me including my partner, my mother, my sisters, my grand daughter, my colleagues, my clients, etc. know that you think it is otherwise.

RainDog

(28,784 posts)
74. thank you for your contributions to this discussion
Sun Feb 23, 2014, 05:28 PM
Feb 2014

I hide the Obama in a swimsuit threads, too. It's not that hard to do. I also didn't think it was offensive, but agree that if such posts are posted, we need to have agreement about such in GD.

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
77. Very little offends me these days.
Mon Feb 24, 2014, 01:04 AM
Feb 2014

I respect that for other adults that may not be the case. In their space, they can completely control it. In mine, I am also free to do the same. Here in a community, we are given the choice to do both. We have the freedom to post (within reason of course), and we have the freedom to ignore users, trash threads, and even trash whole forums. Why is that so hard for adults to understand?

JI7

(89,240 posts)
20. and many of us don't enjoy that type of treatment, just because you are ok with it
Fri Feb 21, 2014, 08:41 PM
Feb 2014

doesn't mean it's ok to do it to everyone. if you like it let them know and you can do your own thing with each other.

but they need to know it's not ok to do it to everyone.

senseandsensibility

(16,929 posts)
30. Good post.
Fri Feb 21, 2014, 10:18 PM
Feb 2014

You have the ability to distill your words down to a simple few, making the meaning very clear. That is, clear for those open minded enough to read and consider them.

 

Whisp

(24,096 posts)
25. well goodie for you.
Fri Feb 21, 2014, 08:51 PM
Feb 2014

so you are just assuming that all women who don't have those awesome talents of yours are a bunch of liars and whiners - that if they somehow tried a bit harder and Became You everything would just be fine?

are you freaking kidding me? what a load of insult.

Response to NuclearDem (Reply #19)

 

Whisp

(24,096 posts)
21. No. I would sooner we have a general Battle Royale forum or a formal Debate Forum
Fri Feb 21, 2014, 08:41 PM
Feb 2014

Better yet a Debate Forum, but that would mean admin would have to be involved and just let two people on opposite sides of an issue discuss on a dedicated thread.

Applications for subjects and interested opponents, time to prepare (that would be so cool to have to actually do some reasearch to present).... sounds great to me!

I bet you a lot that some Actual Real Discussion would flourish from that.

Ed Suspicious

(8,879 posts)
53. I love that idea and would read the heck out of that. And it would sharpen people's debate skills
Sat Feb 22, 2014, 11:01 AM
Feb 2014

through practice and observation. All for it.

Jesus Malverde

(10,274 posts)
24. I logged in this morning and I was like holy cow all is quiet in GD.
Fri Feb 21, 2014, 08:49 PM
Feb 2014

Then I remembered I had hidden a couple dozen threads.

It makes a difference!

peacebird

(14,195 posts)
72. Thanks for the suggestion! I had forgotten I could hide threads, it has made life so much better!
Sun Feb 23, 2014, 05:20 PM
Feb 2014

Just wanted to let you know!

ZombieHorde

(29,047 posts)
39. I actually have no problem with the gender posts.
Sat Feb 22, 2014, 12:40 AM
Feb 2014

I find many of them interesting, minus the repetitive 'you suck, no you suck' comments. I was just making a joke.

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
38. The problem with the SOP in GD is the ability to corrupt it.
Sat Feb 22, 2014, 12:20 AM
Feb 2014

I don't mind if people flame about feminism, but expect alerts and more "countering" posts. At least the feminist topic is not hamstrung by the feeble guns exception: It seems to allow a constant flow of anti-gun posts, stemming from a grab bag of local stories, but also results in other gun posts being hidden as a SOP violation. Just drop the SOP, and the pro 2A folks (who have been pretty good about following the remnants of the SOP in their posts) can resume writing abundant OPs in GD.

Maybe those who favor letting in plenty of gender discussion will support their pro-2A fellow Democrats who only want fair treatment without some poorly-followed SOP getting in the way.

ZombieHorde

(29,047 posts)
40. I don't really care about the gender posts.
Sat Feb 22, 2014, 12:43 AM
Feb 2014

I was just making a joke. I also don't care about gun posts in GD. I do like posts in GD to be political or about social issues, and I just let the admins figure all that stuff out. I am not a big fan of sports and cute animals in GD, but my GD preferences are no more or less valid than yours.

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
42. The SOP should be dropped, and GD returned to Meta-status
Sat Feb 22, 2014, 01:55 AM
Feb 2014

if that is the way to let everyone speak their mind on every subject in every manner possible. As it stands the SOP on guns (maybe for Israel/Palastine, but I don't know) leaves the hosts the flexibility to dump some gun post, but not others. Just get rid of it. Hell, I remember Guns was a major forum. And there were judges who canned folks for using penis references. I can live with that. But at present, the pro-2A folks generally post in the Gungeon; the antis post Anywhere they want.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
28. Sure.
Fri Feb 21, 2014, 09:21 PM
Feb 2014

While we're at it, no "gay threads" outside GLBT. No "race threads" outside of R&E. No "Liberal threads" outside of the Activism forum grouping.

GD shall be a comfort zone for straight white conservative cismales, where they may mock all their lessers openly, in between the occasional lolcats and tits-in-space threads.

 

CFLDem

(2,083 posts)
34. No
Fri Feb 21, 2014, 10:30 PM
Feb 2014

More like keep all the gender loonies in their own bin so we can move on.

Unlike those other fights, the gender issue will never cease to end because teasing conflict is an integral part to interaction between the sexes.

Just my two cents...

 

RC

(25,592 posts)
41. There is already a Group for the most obnoxious of the gender warriors.
Sat Feb 22, 2014, 01:09 AM
Feb 2014

It is when they come out of their Protected Group in mass and post some flame bait in General Discussion, then bait their targets, who have a different view, into possible hides. The pile on's and charges of misandry, on sometimes innocent DU'ers, whose only crime was to not state the current line correctly, is really scary sometimes and usually uncalled for.
They hide behind the label "Feminist", but give real feminist a bad name with their put-downs, insults and even outright coordinated serial attacks on anyone who dares disagree. On anyone "not them". The evidence of the last few days, is available for all to see.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
57. That awkward moment when a man tells women that they're inadequate as feminists because
Sat Feb 22, 2014, 02:31 PM
Feb 2014

they're insufficiently deferential to men.

LostOne4Ever

(9,286 posts)
44. As tired as you are of hearing about the gender war
Sat Feb 22, 2014, 03:04 AM
Feb 2014

I'm sure many women are even sicker of having to put up with the misogynistic crap thrown in their faces on a daily basis.

If only that could be stripped from away and banished to a forum so they don't have to see it or be affected by it. But that is not going to happen. All they can hope to do is educate people and make everyone aware of the issues they face in hopes of creating a more welcoming society where they are treated with respect.

Of course its hard to do that when a wide ranging issue like this is relegated to an obscure subforum even on what is supposed to be a website friendly to these type of issue.

But at least you won't have to hear about it in GD anymore. Right?

chervilant

(8,267 posts)
52. Could we please stop
Sat Feb 22, 2014, 10:59 AM
Feb 2014

characterizing sexism and misogyny as "gender wars"? This is both disingenuous and condescending.

madokie

(51,076 posts)
54. How about we stop allowing the crap in the first place
Sat Feb 22, 2014, 11:14 AM
Feb 2014

I like my wife, my sisters, my grand daughter, my DU female friends, my ex daughter in law, her mother, her sister, my sis in laws all of them mean a lot to me. We can have a DU with out allowing wars of any kind here and thats what I suggest we do. I come here to learn and broaden my experience not fight. If I wanted to fight I'd head out to the local bar and pick on some hapless soul there, at least there's a good chance I'd get the shit kicked out of me and get it out of my system, if I had it in there to begin with

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
61. That ain't gonna happen
Sat Feb 22, 2014, 02:48 PM
Feb 2014

so I recommend the liberal use of trash can and ignore.

As long as the rest of us feed the trolls...

And yes, I have taken my own advise.

 

Spider Jerusalem

(21,786 posts)
63. You know what would be REALLY awesome?
Sat Feb 22, 2014, 03:03 PM
Feb 2014

If it were possible to have discussions on these issues without people accusing feminists of inciting a gender war by daring to discuss them in a political forum. That would be really great. As it is most of the "gender war" I see here consists of pushback from people who are so invested in the status quo that challenging their assumptions about sexism makes them feel threatened, for whatever reason. (That includes both men who think relentless sexual objectification of women is A-OK because David Beckham has done shirtless underwear adverts and women who are all "I don't call myself a feminist because y'all are just too shrill".)

yewberry

(6,530 posts)
71. Thank you. Really, thank you.
Sun Feb 23, 2014, 01:32 AM
Feb 2014

I've been here for over a decade, through several primary wars and all, but today was the first day I actually considered leaving DU. This is a difficult topic, and being told that objectification simply does not exist and that my concerns about it were evidence of my "stunted" intellectual capacity nearly sent me packing today.

I've not always agreed with you, sir, over the years, but I have appreciated your input.

It is not always easy to be a feminist here, especially given the fact that feminist groups are pretty fragmented here. Many of us have no "home" group, but we may still be feminists regardless. I'm one of those.



boston bean

(36,218 posts)
75. I'm not a participant in a Gender War
Sun Feb 23, 2014, 05:37 PM
Feb 2014

I am a participant in a struggle for equal rights for women through the changing of laws and enacting of laws that contribute to that goal. Also to educate, explain and hopefully get others to understand aspects within our culture that allow inequality to fester.

There is no gender war on DU. There is a struggle for women to be seen as persons, full human beings. This is also a struggle to get some to understand how our lives are affected by the culture we live in to hopefully promote a positive change.

These are good goals for progressive and democrats. To equate this with a 'war', is giving one side of that equation equal footing. To me, as a progressive there is only one side to be on.

Why would anyone want to squelch that discussion here? Think about it.

Sarah Ibarruri

(21,043 posts)
76. Honestly? There's no gender war in DU.
Sun Feb 23, 2014, 06:36 PM
Feb 2014

It's the same handful of right wing DU-infiltrators we know and love (hah!) who are usually stirring the pot with their deep, rich hatred for women. A few unaware DUers then think it's a DU gender war and start participating, and so on.

Violet_Crumble

(35,955 posts)
78. But if that happened how would I know when Porn Wars 2014 has begun?
Mon Feb 24, 2014, 03:53 AM
Feb 2014

I don't like the idea of banning issues from GD. The logic behind banning I/P is because of the flame-wars it'd supposedly start, but we're seeing massive flamewars in GD right now over women posing on magazine covers and objectification and stuff. So in the interests of fairness, either both I/P and this current stuff should be banned from GD, or both should be allowed. I'd far prefer the latter, as we're all provided with the tools to hide the sort of threads we don't want to see in GD...

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
79. We have six. People still freak out when a feminist is even slightly assertive in GD on gender
Mon Feb 24, 2014, 04:08 AM
Feb 2014


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