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warrior1

(12,325 posts)
Sun Feb 23, 2014, 11:04 AM Feb 2014

Austin police chief says jaywalkers should be happy they’re not sexually assaulted by cops

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/02/22/austin-police-chief-says-jaywalkers-should-be-happy-theyre-not-sexually-assaulted-by-cops/

oh brother....





The arrest of an Austin jogger on jaywalking charges earlier this week — dragged screaming to a police car after apparently failing to present ID properly — has become the stuff of viral video after a University of Texas at Austin student captured the incident.

Now, Austin’s chief of police has weighed in, telling the public they should be glad his officers aren’t treating people even worse.

“This person absolutely took something that was as simple as ‘Austin Police – Stop!’ and decided to do everything you see on that video,” Austin Police Chief Art Acevedo said at a press conference Friday, according to Austin NPR station 90.5 KUT. “And quite frankly she wasn’t charged with resisting. She’s lucky I wasn’t the arresting officer, because I wouldn’t have been as generous. … In other cities there’s cops who are actually committing sexual assaults on duty, so I thank God that this is what passes for a controversy in Austin, Texas,” Acevedo said.

Not long after that, it became clear that Acevedo had essentially told the public that they should be grateful that all the police officers did was bundle a woman who had been jogging through the streets of Austin into the back of a police car because she crossed against the light, instead of molesting her or charging her with more serious offenses.


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Austin police chief says jaywalkers should be happy they’re not sexually assaulted by cops (Original Post) warrior1 Feb 2014 OP
Bad Cop, No Donut nt MrScorpio Feb 2014 #1
I haven't seen the video but this headline is really stretching things. Wilms Feb 2014 #2
why did he apologize? warrior1 Feb 2014 #3
Why did he bring it up? Gormy Cuss Feb 2014 #57
Austin's police chief apologizes for bizarre defense of officers who arrested jaywalker uppityperson Feb 2014 #59
Actually, there have been a number of recent cases of Texas police sexually assaulting women. pnwmom Feb 2014 #64
Did ya watch the video? JJChambers Feb 2014 #4
she doesn't have to show an id warrior1 Feb 2014 #5
In Texas she has to identify herself JJChambers Feb 2014 #6
found this in the other thread warrior1 Feb 2014 #7
So... JJChambers Feb 2014 #8
To bring this back to the op warrior1 Feb 2014 #9
" who has lawfully arrested the person and requested the information". ONLY if lawfully arrested uppityperson Feb 2014 #17
or lawfully detained TorchTheWitch Feb 2014 #66
To quote that, again, ONLY has to ID if arrested. If detained AND gives a false ID, is illegal but uppityperson Feb 2014 #71
no, that's not at all what I said TorchTheWitch Feb 2014 #78
Being accosted, handcuffed, shoved down by 4 big cops for jaywalking may have caused the "hysteria" uppityperson Feb 2014 #80
I already showed you what she was arrested for TorchTheWitch Feb 2014 #81
She did NOT need to ID herself until AFTER she was arrested. Arrested for jaywalking. uppityperson Feb 2014 #86
I am a hazard because I am deaf. Thank you so much for making that point. I will never go out again uppityperson Feb 2014 #72
No, she only has to identify herself after she was arrested. jeff47 Feb 2014 #30
That's nonsense and you know it JJChambers Feb 2014 #51
Being pulled over for speeding is a completely different story... Ohio Joe Feb 2014 #56
Tx law says different for people on foot as she was uppityperson Feb 2014 #58
Driving has laws requiring you show your license on demand. jeff47 Feb 2014 #68
Being arrested for jaywalking is ridiculous enough as it is. kcr Feb 2014 #10
No it isn't .. She should have taken her ticket like everyone else JJChambers Feb 2014 #11
Nope. kcr Feb 2014 #12
TIL JJChambers Feb 2014 #13
I'm not sure what you mean by that kcr Feb 2014 #14
And the influx continues... woo me with science Feb 2014 #18
Yes, their newest champion has arrived. Rex Feb 2014 #46
Exactly: my thoughts about authoritarianism, over-the-top police antics, and militarism of indepat Feb 2014 #79
It's a re-tread. Ikonoklast Feb 2014 #89
And I suppose you're one of the few left that believe that the popo are springchick Feb 2014 #35
I'll bet in another context you sound off about "nanny state" issues Arugula Latte Feb 2014 #40
wow SoLeftIAmRight Feb 2014 #34
She did NOT have to id herself until she was arrested. If she was arrested for something, then had uppityperson Feb 2014 #43
Lol JJChambers Feb 2014 #50
that is the law. She does not have to id herself until arrested. Can not be arrested for not IDing uppityperson Feb 2014 #52
Garbage Melissa G Feb 2014 #53
Are you a cop? Looks like you made up a couple things there. Kingofalldems Feb 2014 #55
Papers, please? Enthusiast Feb 2014 #47
Thank you. "Ridiculous" is a good word. woo me with science Feb 2014 #21
She was ticketed for jaywalking. Gore1FL Feb 2014 #29
She was? kcr Feb 2014 #69
She probably wouldn't have Gore1FL Feb 2014 #87
What video did you watch? spooky3 Feb 2014 #61
I'm guessing you probably hate bicyclists as much as you hate kestrel91316 Feb 2014 #75
We really need to rethink this cop thingy here in America madokie Feb 2014 #15
What we need are cops that are more answerable for testilying, and their actions on the force. msanthrope Feb 2014 #16
No doubt madokie Feb 2014 #19
till we see a few, and i mean, several, cops sent to prison for testilying mopinko Feb 2014 #25
I think we should encourage news organizations to publish the chain of command. msanthrope Feb 2014 #33
hmmm. that's interesting. mopinko Feb 2014 #39
Exactly....lots of people profit from and have to cover up police malfeasance. It's time msanthrope Feb 2014 #42
$20 million would by a whole lot of digital cameras. Ikonoklast Feb 2014 #90
And they shouldn't be allowed to lie as part of their job seattledo Feb 2014 #85
Damn Solly Mack Feb 2014 #20
WTF? chrisa Feb 2014 #22
The saddest part about this: Police sexually assaulting you or beating you up is the new normal, and chrisa Feb 2014 #23
+1000. kath Feb 2014 #26
K&R 1000 times KauaiK Feb 2014 #37
i'll be jaywalking in austin today alato Feb 2014 #24
Good luck with all that. nt awoke_in_2003 Feb 2014 #49
thanks for the support, comrade alato Feb 2014 #91
Ever since Acevedo took over APD has acted like storm troopers. hobbit709 Feb 2014 #27
Austin Police Chief Responds to Arresting Woman for Jaywalking Garion_55 Feb 2014 #28
... AzDar Feb 2014 #38
The first one, exactly. Catch 22 there. uppityperson Feb 2014 #44
Perfect. Iggo Feb 2014 #63
W...T...F... SoapBox Feb 2014 #31
Very definition of a victimless so-called "crime." LibDemAlways Feb 2014 #32
I've been wondering what I could say that wasn't already said. Savannahmann Feb 2014 #36
Or made to go see the cop's band Tom Ripley Feb 2014 #41
This fucking Acevedo has got to go! Enthusiast Feb 2014 #45
PIG! Dawson Leery Feb 2014 #48
kick Liberal_in_LA Feb 2014 #54
This is why you stop and think about what you're going to say before you say it mythology Feb 2014 #60
Are you aware that the jogger was wearing earphones so she didn't hear him call out behind her? pnwmom Feb 2014 #67
Sooner or later Aerows Feb 2014 #62
Yeah, in Texas sexual assaults by police are all too common. pnwmom Feb 2014 #65
Un.. fukking .. believable! ananda Feb 2014 #70
So . . . Brigid Feb 2014 #73
"At least our cops aren't raping jaywalkers!" gollygee Feb 2014 #74
The US Department of Justice needs to investigate underthematrix Feb 2014 #77
What an utterly disgusting statement tandot Feb 2014 #76
+100000 woo me with science Feb 2014 #88
he should be fired warrior1 Feb 2014 #82
I saw this movie before... dogknob Feb 2014 #83
......yet. WinkyDink Feb 2014 #84
 

Wilms

(26,795 posts)
2. I haven't seen the video but this headline is really stretching things.
Sun Feb 23, 2014, 11:10 AM
Feb 2014

It seems clear to me that he was saying that HE, himself, is happy they’re not sexually assaulted by cops as can happen in LA and NYC, for instance.

Not saying that the cops were innocent. But if I need stretched info, I'll get it at Faux.

Gormy Cuss

(30,884 posts)
57. Why did he bring it up?
Sun Feb 23, 2014, 03:44 PM
Feb 2014

The implication seems to be that even if the officers' response was excessive, she should be grateful because it could have been worse.

He, as police chief, shouldn't be patting himself on the back because his officers didn't sexually assault someone.

uppityperson

(115,677 posts)
59. Austin's police chief apologizes for bizarre defense of officers who arrested jaywalker
Sun Feb 23, 2014, 03:55 PM
Feb 2014
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/austin-top-apologizes-defense-officers-arrested-jaywalker-article-1.1699041
Austin's police chief has been forced to apologize for his bizarre defense of officers who arrested a female jaywalking jogger near the University of Texas.

Art Acevedo said sorry after appearing to dismiss the arrest of Amanda Jo Stephen by claiming: "Cops are actually committing sexual assaults on duty so I thank God that this is what passes for a controversy in Austin, Tex."
(clip)
He said his comments had come at the end of an "emotional week" following the conviction of Brandon Daniel for killing Austin police officer Jaime Pardon in 2012.

pnwmom

(108,973 posts)
64. Actually, there have been a number of recent cases of Texas police sexually assaulting women.
Sun Feb 23, 2014, 04:45 PM
Feb 2014

Guess he kind of forgot about that.

 

JJChambers

(1,115 posts)
4. Did ya watch the video?
Sun Feb 23, 2014, 11:15 AM
Feb 2014

She is throwing a temper tantrum and screaming like a child that she did nothing wrong. Except for jaywalking and failing to provide identification. Pedestrian jaywalkers are frequently killed in auto accidents. People who commit violations are required to furnish identification. Failure to do so can result in arrest. Throwing a temper tantrum during the arrest process, kicking and screaming all the way to the police car, is more indicative of her white privilege than of any police misconduct.

 

JJChambers

(1,115 posts)
6. In Texas she has to identify herself
Sun Feb 23, 2014, 11:23 AM
Feb 2014

Either by presenting ID or by verbally identifying herself; she refused.

warrior1

(12,325 posts)
7. found this in the other thread
Sun Feb 23, 2014, 11:28 AM
Feb 2014

There are no requirements for having an ID on you in the state of Texas if you are a pedestrian. There is a law requiring you to ID yourself verbally to police if you're being arrested.

The Texas Failure to Identify law is fairly simple. Why don’t police get it? It states:

(a) A person commits an offense if he intentionally refuses to give his name, residence address, or date of birth to a peace officer who has lawfully arrested the person and requested the information.

(b) A person commits an offense if he intentionally gives a false or fictitious name, residence address, or date of birth to a peace officer who has:
(1) lawfully arrested the person;
(2) lawfully detained the person; or
(3) requested the information from a person that the peace officer has good cause to believe is a witness to a criminal offense.

(c) Except as provided by Subsections (d) and (e), an offense under this section is:
(1) a Class C misdemeanor if the offense is committed under Subsection (a); or
(2) a Class B misdemeanor if the offense is committed under Subsection (b).

(d) If it is shown on the trial of an offense under this section that the defendant was a fugitive from justice at the time of the offense, the offense is:
(1) a Class B misdemeanor if the offense is committed under Subsection (a); or
(2) a Class A misdemeanor if the offense is committed under Subsection (b).

(e) If conduct that constitutes an offense under this section also constitutes an offense under Section 106.07, Alcoholic Beverage Code, the actor may be prosecuted only under Section 106.07.

Tex. Pen. Code Ann. § 38.02.

uppityperson

(115,677 posts)
17. " who has lawfully arrested the person and requested the information". ONLY if lawfully arrested
Sun Feb 23, 2014, 12:01 PM
Feb 2014

prior to that. She must only give ID info AFTER being arrested, not as a cause for arrest.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_and_identify_statutes
Texas’s law requires a person to provide their name, residence address and date of birth if lawfully arrested and asked by police. (A detained person or witness of a crime is not required to provide any identifying information, however it is a crime for a detained person or witness to give a false name.)

TorchTheWitch

(11,065 posts)
66. or lawfully detained
Sun Feb 23, 2014, 04:48 PM
Feb 2014

see warrior1's post #7 up thread.

She did three things wrong... she crossed the street on a red light, ignored police when they called out for her to stop, and refused to identify herself. Seeing as she WAS arrested (the photo shows her sitting on the sidewalk in handcuffs) we don't know if she refused before or after she was arrested... and seeing as she did nothing but scream the whole time both before and after her arrest I'm not seeing how at any time she gave them her verbal identification which is why she was charged with "failure to identify" and crossing at an intersection against the light.

http://www.dailytexanonline.com/news/2014/02/20/woman-arrested-on-24th-street-after-crossing-intersection
Updated (6:45 p.m. Friday): At a press conference held Friday, APD police chief Art Acevedo addressed the recent arrest of 24-year-old Amanda Jo Stephen, who was taken into custody Thursday after crossing an intersection at a red light. Stephen was formally charged with "failure to identify" and "failure to obey a pedestrian control device" and was released from Travis County Central Booking Thursday evening.

What she was doing was dangerous, and if she claims that she didn't hear the police shout to her to stop because of her earphones than she was doubly creating a hazard to herself and others... if she couldn't hear them shout at her to stop then she wouldn't have been able to hear a car or bike coming up on her unable to stop either.

They had to drag her stupid ass because she refused to get up and walk and also refused to listen to why she was detained screaming she did nothing wrong except that she did a number of things wrong and was completely uncooperative.

She brought this on herself and acted like an idiot on top of it all.


uppityperson

(115,677 posts)
71. To quote that, again, ONLY has to ID if arrested. If detained AND gives a false ID, is illegal but
Sun Feb 23, 2014, 06:08 PM
Feb 2014

they are not required to give ID unless they are arrested. See (a)? "Lawfully arrested". See (b)? "false or fictitious name...lawfully detained. If you are simply detained, you do not have to ID yourself, but if you give false ID you are in trouble.



(a) A person commits an offense if he intentionally refuses to give his name, residence address, or date of birth to a peace officer who has lawfully arrested the person and requested the information.

(b) A person commits an offense if he intentionally gives a false or fictitious name, residence address, or date of birth to a peace officer who has:
(1) lawfully arrested the person;
(2) lawfully detained the person; or
(3) requested the information from a person that the peace officer has good cause to believe is a witness to a criminal offense.



"She brought this on herself and acted like an idiot on top of it all. " Wow, I didn't know you were there watching. Thank you for letting us know because otherwise you probably only have access to the same info the rest of us have.

Finally, according to you I will never be able to be out in public, being as hard of hearing as I am. Shame, that, as I do like to be out sometimes but according to you I am a hazard by being deaf.

TorchTheWitch

(11,065 posts)
78. no, that's not at all what I said
Sun Feb 23, 2014, 07:01 PM
Feb 2014

FIRST, she broke the law by crossing on a red light which is WHY the police told her to stop. You have nothing to worry about as a deaf person as long as you don't do something stupid like break a law when the police are around and your back is to them.

She was also charged with "failure to identify" so it stands to reason she did NOT give information after she was arrested. Seeing as she was under arrest while still seated on the sidewalk, she would have been under arrest.

I still have no sympathy for a bozo jogging with headphones on and breaking the law by crossing an intersection on a red light, and I REALLY have no sympathy for her that she went ape shit the entire time not listening to a thing they tried to tell her like why she was under arrest, etc.

Yes, it's a hazard to jog through an intersection against the light and more so when you're listening to music so that you can't hear when someone shouts at you. As a deaf person I'm sure you're cognizant of the dangers of jogging across the street in front of right of way traffic ESPECIALLY because you're deaf not just for yourself but for other people on the road.

I really hate it when people jaywalk in front of my car or aren't paying attention because they're talking to someone or texting or whatever and step out into the street only yards from my car so I have to slam the breaks and swerve to not hit them praying I don't either crash into them or anyone else. These people are not just taking their OWN lives in their hands but MINE as well.

Just a few days ago I was playing with the dog in the big piles of snow the plows built up in a parking lot near a four lane busy road where the speed limit is 45mph as some stupid kid texting on his phone just stepped out into the street to cross without ever looking up causing several cars to slam the breaks, swerve into other lanes narrowly missing each other while cars behind them had to slam on their breaks to avoid plowing into the cars that had to break and/or swerve to avoid hitting the idiot. I saw him head down texting away oblivious to traffic and started screaming at him to stop before he stepped into the road all to no avail... he was paying no attention whatsoever. Thank the gods not none of those cars either hit him or each other. After all the screeching of breaks and honking of horns, the jackass just looked up for a second and kept on texting away. And when he hit the center line HE DID IT AGAIN in front of two lanes of traffic coming the other way.

This shit happens all the time as well as those people at night on badly lit roads dressed in dark clothing that step out into the street mere yards in front of you having no idea that you can't see them until you're almost on top of them, and they glare at you as if it's YOUR fault that you nearly killed them.

Pedestrians have traffic laws they have to follow also yet still have some idea that they can step out into traffic right smack in front of you having no idea they can't be seen in time as if they have some kind of right to play chicken with other people on the road.

She's a damned idiot and just made it so much worse for herself by being hysterical from the moment she was caught all the way to the back of the patrol car.

uppityperson

(115,677 posts)
80. Being accosted, handcuffed, shoved down by 4 big cops for jaywalking may have caused the "hysteria"
Sun Feb 23, 2014, 07:06 PM
Feb 2014

you claim.

Are you saying she was arrested for jaywalking since until she was arrested she was not legally obligated to ID herself? Arrested for jaywalking and you are ok with that because she was "hysterical" after being grabbed, cuffed, shoved down by 4 cops.

She was NOT legally obligated to give ID until AFTER she was arrested. So why was she arrested? For not giving ID? But she was not legally obligated to do that until AFTER she was arrested.

The arrest legally had to come first BEFORE she was obligated to ID herself. So what was she arrested for to cause her to need to ID herself?

TorchTheWitch

(11,065 posts)
81. I already showed you what she was arrested for
Sun Feb 23, 2014, 07:33 PM
Feb 2014

And I saw the video of her behavior. She took it upon herself to break the law by crossing the intersection against the light. She wasn't dragged anywhere. Watch the video. There were TWO officers and they WALKED her to the police car with her screaming her fool head off that she didn't do anything wrong when she DID which is why she was charged.

She was arrested and charged for "failure to identify" and crossing against the light.

Sorry, she broke the law created a hazard on the road and acted the fool.

I'm sick to death of the cop hate shit on DU when it is in no way deserved. And making up crap about what happened is bullshit.

uppityperson

(115,677 posts)
86. She did NOT need to ID herself until AFTER she was arrested. Arrested for jaywalking.
Sun Feb 23, 2014, 08:13 PM
Feb 2014

Did you even read the legal thing that says she did NOT need to id herself until AFTER she was arrested. You think it is ok to arrest people for jaywalking. That is what you are saying.

Or are you saying she was arrested for not IDing herself which legally she did not have to do until AFTER she was arrested? Catch 22 anyone?

"she was arrested and charged for "failure to identify" and crossing against the light. " She legally did NOT have to identify herself until after she was arrested. So she was arrested for was jaywalking. And then didn't identify herself. But you are ok with arresting people for jaywalking. Incredible.

I agree, "making up crap about what happened is bullshit".

uppityperson

(115,677 posts)
72. I am a hazard because I am deaf. Thank you so much for making that point. I will never go out again
Sun Feb 23, 2014, 06:10 PM
Feb 2014

unless I have someone with me, holding onto me at all times.

I will turn in my drivers license and my walking shoes. After all, if I can't hear then I create hazards for others.

"if she couldn't hear them shout at her to stop then she wouldn't have been able to hear a car or bike coming up on her unable to stop either. "

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
30. No, she only has to identify herself after she was arrested.
Sun Feb 23, 2014, 01:00 PM
Feb 2014

She wasn't arrested until after she refused to identify herself.

 

JJChambers

(1,115 posts)
51. That's nonsense and you know it
Sun Feb 23, 2014, 03:04 PM
Feb 2014

Courts have recognized time and time again that if you're being detained for an offense, you must identify yourself upon request. Try not identifying yourself next time you get pulled over for speeding and see what happens.

Ohio Joe

(21,748 posts)
56. Being pulled over for speeding is a completely different story...
Sun Feb 23, 2014, 03:39 PM
Feb 2014

You are required to carry your DL in order to drive, you are not required (at least not everywhere and not where this happened) to carry ID or identify yourself on the demand of police, nor should you be.

Defending bullshit like this for jay walking is pretty fucked up.

uppityperson

(115,677 posts)
58. Tx law says different for people on foot as she was
Sun Feb 23, 2014, 03:53 PM
Feb 2014


Texas Penal Code, Title 8, §38.02(a), reads
A person commits an offense if he intentionally refuses to give his name, residence address, or date of birth to a peace officer who has lawfully arrested the person and requested the information.



Texas’s law requires a person to provide their name, residence address and date of birth if lawfully arrested and asked by police. (A detained person or witness of a crime is not required to provide any identifying information, however it is a crime for a detained person or witness to give a false name.)


You are now trying to conflate this with needing drivers license on you to drive. She was on foot and did not need to ID herself until AFTER she was arrested.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
68. Driving has laws requiring you show your license on demand.
Sun Feb 23, 2014, 05:08 PM
Feb 2014

She was on foot. Those rules do not apply.

kcr

(15,315 posts)
10. Being arrested for jaywalking is ridiculous enough as it is.
Sun Feb 23, 2014, 11:35 AM
Feb 2014

A violent arrest over jaywalking is a ridiculous occurrence that should not happen.

 

JJChambers

(1,115 posts)
11. No it isn't .. She should have taken her ticket like everyone else
Sun Feb 23, 2014, 11:42 AM
Feb 2014

Except she refused to identify herself and started throwing a tantrum. Jaywalking is dangerous and causes a lot of pedestrian fatalities. Ironically, the news is saying a jaywalker was hit and killed by a bus in Austin the same day that this story broke

Police Chief Art Acevedo says there is a lot more to the story. The officers were working on an initiative to cut down on pedestrian and bicycle violations. This week, they are focusing on jaywalkers.
On Thursday, officers stopped 28 people and cited seven. On Friday, KVUE cameras caught numerous people ignoring the stop signal and unlawfully crossing the street.

"We do it all the time here," said UT student Patrice Hailey. "The traffic here is so bad, I mean, we just have to walk when we can."

Acevedo says Stephen did the same thing while officers had another person stopped for jaywalking.
"He can see her face, and she can see his face, yells, 'Austin Police, I need you to stop.' She still doesn't stop, so he grabs her arm and says, 'I need you to stop.' She then at some point takes off her ear buds and he says, 'Austin Police, I need you to stop,' and she says to the effect, 'I don't give an "f" who you are. Get your "f'ing" hands off of me," Acevedo said.
According to police, Stephen was arrested for failure to obey a pedestrian control device and failure to identify. Failure to identify is a Class B misdemeanor in Texas.


http://www.kvue.com/news/Video-of-Austin-Police-arresting-jaywalker-goes-viral-246620251.html

kcr

(15,315 posts)
12. Nope.
Sun Feb 23, 2014, 11:48 AM
Feb 2014

People should be careful crossing streets. But that doesn't mean cops just yanking us from behind like that and dragging us kicking and screaming to their cop cars over things like jaywalking. This was harassment by cop, pure and simple. No. He didn't need to put his hands on her over something like jaywalking. For all your spittle flinging hyperventilating over it, jaywalking is not a criminal offense.

kcr

(15,315 posts)
14. I'm not sure what you mean by that
Sun Feb 23, 2014, 11:53 AM
Feb 2014

If you search for my posts you'll find I'm never the one blabbering about white privilege not existing. In fact, it usually seems to me that the overlap between pro-cop faction and the white privilege doesn't exist faction is pretty big.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
46. Yes, their newest champion has arrived.
Sun Feb 23, 2014, 02:35 PM
Feb 2014

Ignoring everyone showing proof that he is WRONG. Funny how they just ignore you and keep repeating the same authoritarian line over and over.

indepat

(20,899 posts)
79. Exactly: my thoughts about authoritarianism, over-the-top police antics, and militarism of
Sun Feb 23, 2014, 07:02 PM
Feb 2014

police forces are best summed up by

 

springchick

(137 posts)
35. And I suppose you're one of the few left that believe that the popo are
Sun Feb 23, 2014, 01:26 PM
Feb 2014

there to protect and serve the general public?

uppityperson

(115,677 posts)
43. She did NOT have to id herself until she was arrested. If she was arrested for something, then had
Sun Feb 23, 2014, 02:26 PM
Feb 2014

to give ID but she can not be arrested for simply not giving ID.

 

JJChambers

(1,115 posts)
50. Lol
Sun Feb 23, 2014, 03:02 PM
Feb 2014

How is an officer supposed to give her a ticket if she refuses to identify herself? Use some common sense. This isn't rocket science.

1. She committed an offense (jaywalking).
2. The police attempted to stop her, and she reacted like a spoiled 2 year old.
3. They attempted to identify her, presumably to issue a citation for jaywalking.
4. She refused to identify herself and was arrested; her tantrum reached epic proportions.

Next time you get pulled over for a traffic violation, try refusing to identify yourself and see how quickly you end up in handcuffs.

uppityperson

(115,677 posts)
52. that is the law. She does not have to id herself until arrested. Can not be arrested for not IDing
Sun Feb 23, 2014, 03:04 PM
Feb 2014

herself as is not arrested yet.

Melissa G

(10,170 posts)
53. Garbage
Sun Feb 23, 2014, 03:26 PM
Feb 2014

your '2' and '4' are not a facts but your derogatory interpretations. She did not hear them due to her earbuds.
Multiple men in uniform surrounding and then grabbing a woman is an intimidating experience esp if you believe you did not do anything to warrant it and are trying to figure out what is happening to you as you are just jogging.

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
21. Thank you. "Ridiculous" is a good word.
Sun Feb 23, 2014, 12:17 PM
Feb 2014

As is "outrageous," "disgusting," "authoritarian," or "unconscionable."

In that situation, in the United States of America, a friendly reminder of jaywalking rules should have sufficed.

It is beyond disgusting, the constant attempts to normalize authoritarianism and a police state mentality in the USA.





Gore1FL

(21,126 posts)
29. She was ticketed for jaywalking.
Sun Feb 23, 2014, 12:59 PM
Feb 2014

The arrest came thereafter when she inexplicably escalated it. Did that deserve arrest? I don't know. I wasn't there and lack the facts to form an opinion.

If we don't want laws enforced, we shouldn't have those laws.

kcr

(15,315 posts)
69. She was?
Sun Feb 23, 2014, 05:23 PM
Feb 2014

I don't think so. Because if that was what the police had done, we would have no story, would we? I'm going to use that word ridiculous again. No, we don't have to put up with a police force that treats us like this in order to have laws. A person jaywalking does not have to be treated as if they are leaving the scene of an armed robbery.

Gore1FL

(21,126 posts)
87. She probably wouldn't have
Sun Feb 23, 2014, 09:54 PM
Feb 2014

if she didn't go into freak-out mode over the ticket.

Was that justification enough for the arrest? I can;t say. I don't have enough data to form an informed decision.

spooky3

(34,429 posts)
61. What video did you watch?
Sun Feb 23, 2014, 04:13 PM
Feb 2014

I had to make several clicks to find the one by the witness, Quintero. The first frame showed her in handcuffs on the ground. If that's the one you saw, then you know it did not show even the alleged jaywalking or the initial contact.

The screaming was audible only much later, after multiple police had arrived and put her in the squad car. I could not hear what had been said that might have led to that screaming.

 

kestrel91316

(51,666 posts)
75. I'm guessing you probably hate bicyclists as much as you hate
Sun Feb 23, 2014, 06:38 PM
Feb 2014

pedestrians and women.

Enjoy your stay.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
16. What we need are cops that are more answerable for testilying, and their actions on the force.
Sun Feb 23, 2014, 12:00 PM
Feb 2014

It shouldn't take a lawsuit to get justice in this country.

madokie

(51,076 posts)
19. No doubt
Sun Feb 23, 2014, 12:06 PM
Feb 2014

Where some of us made a mistake was when we thought we'd won the war when as this shows we only won some battles. I'm talking about us old hippies who fought for equality and just with a little bit of whats right thrown in for good measure.

mopinko

(70,071 posts)
25. till we see a few, and i mean, several, cops sent to prison for testilying
Sun Feb 23, 2014, 12:36 PM
Feb 2014

this shit is just gonna get worse and worse. there has to be some accountability.

one of the reasons the city of chicago had to float a big bond issue is to pay out over $20M to victims of jon burge. and they were the tip of the iceberg that broke open the evidence. there will likely be more.

cop have to be held accountable regularly. it's just how they are wired.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
33. I think we should encourage news organizations to publish the chain of command.
Sun Feb 23, 2014, 01:19 PM
Feb 2014

I think every single time there is a cop shooting, or other incident, if the news reported the chain of command, you might begin to see some interesting patterns.

mopinko

(70,071 posts)
39. hmmm. that's interesting.
Sun Feb 23, 2014, 02:15 PM
Feb 2014

prosecutors need to get slammed for this shit, too. they let it go.
ritchie daley states attorney turned a blind eye to jon burge, went ahead and prosecuted bogus cases, and sent innocent men to prison. i wonder how many times he would have been re-elected if anyone had bothered to make an issue of those facts.
the taxpayers of state of Illinois, and the city of chicago are paying the price for this. literally. and with all the ink spilled about our latest bond issue very. very little was said about this as part of that cost.

hurry up interwebs. you are making the world a different place, shining lights in many dark places.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
42. Exactly....lots of people profit from and have to cover up police malfeasance. It's time
Sun Feb 23, 2014, 02:23 PM
Feb 2014

to not just hold the officers accountable, but look at the larger culture of corruption.

Ikonoklast

(23,973 posts)
90. $20 million would by a whole lot of digital cameras.
Mon Feb 24, 2014, 04:29 AM
Feb 2014

But cops will still argue against them based on 'cost'.

Laughable in the face of the cost of one lost lawsuit.

 

seattledo

(295 posts)
85. And they shouldn't be allowed to lie as part of their job
Sun Feb 23, 2014, 08:02 PM
Feb 2014

Their management requires them to be dishonest on the streets, but then we're supposed to trust them to tell the truth in court?

chrisa

(4,524 posts)
23. The saddest part about this: Police sexually assaulting you or beating you up is the new normal, and
Sun Feb 23, 2014, 12:25 PM
Feb 2014

not doing either deserves a thank you, according to cops.

KauaiK

(544 posts)
37. K&R 1000 times
Sun Feb 23, 2014, 01:37 PM
Feb 2014

The Austin Chief's comments are utterly w/o merit and staggering in their implications

 

alato

(43 posts)
24. i'll be jaywalking in austin today
Sun Feb 23, 2014, 12:34 PM
Feb 2014

and i am just praying two porkers approach me like this. i will defend myself.

hobbit709

(41,694 posts)
27. Ever since Acevedo took over APD has acted like storm troopers.
Sun Feb 23, 2014, 12:46 PM
Feb 2014

Police shootings have increased. He thinks he can demand a blood sample without a court order on random stops, and other authoritarian crap.
What little trust a lot of Austinites had for the police has pretty much evaporated.

LibDemAlways

(15,139 posts)
32. Very definition of a victimless so-called "crime."
Sun Feb 23, 2014, 01:11 PM
Feb 2014

This is just a couple of cops (who by the looks of them could use more exercise themselves) harassing a young woman just because they can. You'd think they might have something more productive to do -- like protecting the public from criminals. Total waste of taxpayer dollars.

 

Savannahmann

(3,891 posts)
36. I've been wondering what I could say that wasn't already said.
Sun Feb 23, 2014, 01:27 PM
Feb 2014

It came to me. Chief, you and your cops are lucky that the people of this nation are not as hot tempered as other places.

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Of course, that may be changing. The people may be learning from places like the Ukraine.
 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
60. This is why you stop and think about what you're going to say before you say it
Sun Feb 23, 2014, 04:10 PM
Feb 2014

I don't think he was actually trying to say that she should be grateful for not being sexually assaulted, but at the very least, he used an incredibly unfortunate choice of words.

Granted the police response from what I've seen was over the top, the pedestrian didn't do herself any favors either. So both sides should really learn from this. The arresting officers should learn how to better conduct themselves and be smarter/safer about how to alert people, the woman should learn to cross at crosswalks with the light and not be such a pain in the ass and the police chief should learn to say things out loud to himself before saying them to others.

pnwmom

(108,973 posts)
67. Are you aware that the jogger was wearing earphones so she didn't hear him call out behind her?
Sun Feb 23, 2014, 04:56 PM
Feb 2014

And then he grabbed her from behind, and her big offense -- not knowing who had grabbed her -- was to try to jerk her arm away?

Also, she was at an intersection where lots of people were going against the light -- she probably just went with the flow. Yes, that was a mistake. But arresting her instead of just ticketing her -- like the others -- was way over the top.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
62. Sooner or later
Sun Feb 23, 2014, 04:34 PM
Feb 2014

this type of police reaction is going to reach terminal velocity. When scaring the shit out of a pedestrian and restraining them instead of calmly catching their attention to inform them of a misdemeanor is standard procedure, bad things follow.

pnwmom

(108,973 posts)
65. Yeah, in Texas sexual assaults by police are all too common.
Sun Feb 23, 2014, 04:48 PM
Feb 2014

So that woman should feel extra lucky that didn't happen to her.



3-Day Suspension for a Cop's Sexual Assault? Terrifying Impunity in TX Police
An Austin police officer sexually assaulted a woman in the back seat of his cruiser, and she's not the first one he molested, she claims in court.

http://www.alternet.org/civil-liberties/3-day-suspension-cops-sexual-assault-terrifying-impunity-tx-police

(San Antonio) Texas police officer charged with sexually assaulting 19-year-old in patrol car

http://kdvr.com/2013/11/25/texas-police-officer-charged-with-sexually-assaulting-19-year-old-in-patrol-car/

Dallas Police Officer Arrested, Accused of Sex Assault While On-Duty
http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Dallas-Police-Officer-La-Corie-Johnson-Arrested-Accused-of-Sex-Assault-Whi


ananda

(28,856 posts)
70. Un.. fukking .. believable!
Sun Feb 23, 2014, 05:33 PM
Feb 2014

This falls in the dumbfounded, openmouthed, OMG!!! category.

Words fail.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
74. "At least our cops aren't raping jaywalkers!"
Sun Feb 23, 2014, 06:32 PM
Feb 2014

That's a defence for their behavior? At least they aren't raping people who are caught jaywalking?

underthematrix

(5,811 posts)
77. The US Department of Justice needs to investigate
Sun Feb 23, 2014, 06:55 PM
Feb 2014

because they stopped this young jogger for a reason and it DID NOT have anything to do with jaywalking.

tandot

(6,671 posts)
76. What an utterly disgusting statement
Sun Feb 23, 2014, 06:49 PM
Feb 2014

"She’s lucky I wasn’t the arresting officer, because I wouldn’t have been as generous. … In other cities there’s cops who are actually committing sexual assaults on duty, so I thank God that this is what passes for a controversy in Austin, Texas,” Acevedo said."

He should be fired just for saying that. Really? The new normal is hoping that a cop doesn't assault you sexually?

dogknob

(2,431 posts)
83. I saw this movie before...
Sun Feb 23, 2014, 07:54 PM
Feb 2014

DIM
Well. Well, well. Well, well, well, well, if it isn't little Alex. Long time no viddy, droog. How goes?
ALEX
It's... it's impossible. I don't believe it.
GEORGIE
Evidence of the old glazzies. Nothing up their sleeves. No magic, little Alex. A job for two, who are now of job age. The police.

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