An inconvenient contradiction

[Scuba]

[jsr]

1. A classic.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

2. sick.

[malthaussen]

3. Now, now, he still thinks it's safe...

... he just doesn't like it ruining his view.

-- Mal

[littlewolf]

17. of course the could be said of Ted Kennedy and wind power.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/29/science/earth/29wind.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0


Opponents said they would continue to fight construction of the farm, known as Cape Wind, which would sprawl across 25 square miles of Nantucket Sound.
In announcing the much-anticipated decision, Mr. Salazar hastened to add that he was requiring the developer, Cape Wind Associates, to take several steps to mitigate possibly adverse effects on the environment — including views from the Kennedy Compound National Historic Landmark, which overlooks Nantucket Sound. Those steps include adjusting the turbines’ color and configuration.


Opposition to the proposal from Senator Edward M. Kennedy, who died in August, had been a major thorn in the Obama administration’s side in advancing the project.


Senator Kennedy was in favor of wind power until it came to his location.

[pangaia]

26. Have to admit, when I first heard that, way back when, it really pissed me off.

[merrily]

37. Kennedy may have had very good reasons. The Cape Cod ecosystem is incredibly fragile.

Please see Reply 36 as well.

[merrily]

36. Usually, it's older Republicans who post things like that.

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They have such a thing about the Kennedys, especially Ted, who had the nerve (in their eyes) to live past 60. Surprised to see it here, though, littlewolf. (First Nations, by any chance?)

As the article that you linked clearly states, a number of the objections raised by TK were addressed before the project got the go ahead. There was also the issue of privatizing public lands, to which Robert Kennedy, Jr. has objected, along with the potential for adverse long term impact on the local economy. And then, there is the general fragility of the Cape Cod ecosystem and the fact that no one could figure out why so many Cape residents, especially women, were getting cancer.


And a tiny, fragile spit of land, engorged with tourists from May to October, is very different from Texas and a lot of other places where a massive wind farm would have made a lot more sense than it would have made on Cape Cod.

Besides, Kennedy had not, for years, been doing, as to wind farms near other people's homes, what this guy had been doing as to fracking near other people's home. So, it's one false equivalency upon another false equivalency to compare Kennedy and a huge wind farm on the Cape with this Exxon guy and fracking in Texas, isn't it?

Republicans seem to specialize in false equivalencies and their kissing cousin, comparing apples and oranges. But, again, I'm surprise to see it here. And you can Write that Down.

[littlewolf]

40. the only reason I posted it. was people on both sides Dem and Rep

are gonna do what they can to make life better for themselves.
I miss TK he was a champion, (not sure what he would make of ACA
but that is another kettle of fish.)

[merrily]

41. I guess you missed the points of my post.

what you were trying to say about Ted was obvious. My point was that I think you could well be wrong about his motivation.

[littlewolf]

42. that also is possible .... I will admit that I was really pissed when I first

learned of his position.

anyway, thank you for pointing out this different aspect of what may have been
his position. but I have been up for 14 hrs now. and I hear my bed calling my
name loudly, I must go answer it's call. good night.

[merrily]

43. Rest well.

[sufrommich]

4. The rich are not like you and I.

They pay big bucks for the right to be outrageously hypocritical.

[laundry_queen]

5. When I heard that

I thought the irony gods must be having the biggest laugh of their lives. WHAT in the fucking fuck? Fucking asshole.

[Enthusiast]

6. Kicked and recommended a whole bunch.....nt

[JEB]

7. That guy appears to be full of gas.

Frack him.

[Curmudgeoness]

30. .............

[BlancheSplanchnik]

8. as long as you're up on the hill...

Who cares whats rolls down. Just so long as nothing rolls down on MEEEEEEEEE


Shove it, dude.

[SamKnause]

9. I wish they would put a well pad in his front yard

and drill through his master bedroom.

[2naSalit]

23. and make sure that his well

is contaminated.

[tkmorris]

10. My understanding is...

He doesn't give a damn about the fracking but rather objects to the giant water tower blocking his expensive views from his property. Have I got that wrong?

[JJChambers]

11. We are just plebs

There are two Americas

[cinnabonbon]

12. These people are just despicable

and his hypocrisy stinks.

[Auggie]

13. He "objects to the 160-foot water tower planned next to his home ..."

though the lawsuit he signed onto details the many unsavory consequences of fracking.

http://www.alternet.org/environment/exxon-ceo-joins-anti-fracking-lawsuit-after-drilling-threatens-his-property-value

Bullshit

[bleedinglib]

14. And he said

Frack all you peon's

[A Simple Game]

15. And I thought I was good at keeping my work life and my home life separated.

The conversations going on in this guys head must be fascinating.

Work Rex says this is a good place to build our tower for fracking.
Home Rex says that will block my view, has nothing at all to do with contaminating my farm's water supply, fracking is safe.
Work Rex says your view is a small price to pay for cheap energy.
Home Rex says, "Cheap, energy hasn't been cheap for 20 years, oh wait, I'm rich, who cares about the price. I'm going to sue! It's about the view... you know."
Work Rex says, "You can't sue over the view! How will it look? Besides you're suing me and I'm you."
Home Rex says, "I don't care who you are, it's about the water quality for my horses, but don't tell anyone. Let's just say it's about the view. As for the 'you being me' thing, my wife says she doesn't like the 'work' me anyway."

But why didn't he quietly behind the scene just get the tower moved? For a company of this size, I would think this would be a small thing. What good is being the CEO if you can't do something that small? As far as that goes I can't believe anyone allowed the tower to be spotted there in the first place, nobody in the company chain of command knew the bosses horse ranch was there?

[Scuba]

16. Your last paragraph poses some very interesting questions.

[A Simple Game]

21. I know, why is he doing it this way? Is he personally against fracking?

Are there no logistical alternatives? Then using his insider info, sell the farm and buy a different one.

Probably never learn the answers.

[MisterP]

24. maybe he knows that bringing this into the open, that airing the biggest and

most flagrant hypocrisy imaginable, won't matter one bit?

[Scuba]

25. Ding, ding, ding. We have a winner.

[hue]

28. Sadly WI-ites are well familiar with this!

[fasttense]

18. Fracking towers are good enough for you

but not for me. I'm special and don't like them. For you fraking is just fine, for me not so much.

[MindMover]

19. Should have bought a bigger ranch ....

[Lifelong Protester]

20. Only little people have their views ruined

What a derp- bag.

[marions ghost]

45. He knows it could affect his water too...

Not to mention methane air pollution, and the threat of fire.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-02-24/colorado-first-state-to-clamp-down-on-fracking-methane-pollution.html

[oldandhappy]

22. More hypocrisy

He does not have to look at it. I am in a senior mobile home park where someone complained about seeing a neighbor's trash can. Get a life. You do not have to look at the trash can. If you have 100 acres you do not have to look at a tower. Go pet your money.

[hue]

27. As usual it's all about me, myself & I!!

[AAO]

29. The poster boy for hypocrisy.

[rhett o rick]

31. I wonder what the basis for his suit is? You cant frack near the personal property of the

wealthy.

[toby jo]

32. The suit is over the devaluation of his property, a 5M ranch.

He is paid 40.3M by Exon, which is staying out of the suit.

The water tower is owned by another company, Cross Timber Water Supply Corp, which has set up operations on his road to supply water to all the frack sites. Sounds like they didn't make the connection, but surprised it wasn't moved.

It was on Think Progress today. [link:http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2014/02/21/3316881/exxon-ceo-protests-fracking/|

[pacalo]

33. Doesn't that beat all.

Ugh. Do as I say, not as I do.

[blkmusclmachine]

34. ,

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[mrdmk]

35. Mr. BIG 'Not in My Backyard'

Some leader, ruthlessness at its height.

[Cha]

38. Thinking no one

would notice?

[merrily]

39. "I'm Chevy Chase...and you're not."

The 1% have always believed themselves to be entitled to more and better and sooner than everyone else.

[Jasana]

44. I can't stand jerks like this. It's class. Only the little people are suppose to experience this.

Ted Kennedy pulled a stunt like this. He was part of a lawsuit that blocked a wind farm in Nantucket Sound. The millionaires said the offshore wind farm would ruin their view of the ocean. They blocked this project for years. Thankfully (in this case) they lost.