Breaking -US Supreme Court Tells NRA to 'eff off re guns for minors

[malaise]

http://www.northjersey.com/news/national/US_Supreme_Court_rejects_NRA_appeals.html
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The Supreme Court has turned away appeals from the National Rifle Association which complained about resistance by governments and judges to the high court's recent seminal rulings declaring that Americans have a constitutional right to own a gun.

The justices on Monday let stand rulings that upheld a federal law that prevents young adults ages 18-20 from purchasing a handgun or ammunition from a licensed federal firearms dealer and a Texas regulation that prohibits most 18-to-20 year olds from carrying a handgun outside the home.

The NRA said the laws make it difficult, if not impossible, for young adults to exercise their Second Amendment rights.

[RC]

1. A NRA lobbyist must have fallen down on the job.

Anyway this is a good thing.

[Eleanors38]

2. No objection from this toter. nt

[NYC_SKP]

3. Maybe it should require a license, or a permit, like driving a car.

More often than not, minors are usually considered those under 18 years of age.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minor_%28law%29

So, if they can vote, and be sent to fight in wars, etc., and live out on their own, one might ask why should they not also enjoy second amendment rights?

However, are they really going to be smart and experienced enough to be responsible when, clearly, so many older folks are not?

This is where I think a training/safety/screening requirement might be wise.

I don't think we should prevent them from owning in a blanket way, but I don't think they (or anyone) should just get all the guns they want without some safeguards.

[sarisataka]

4. I think the NRA

Had a little" victory fever" thinking they couldn't loose.

Good decision, I don't see the restrictions to be unreasonable.

[1awake]

6. I can see them as unreasonable,

but maybe not in the way you might think.

If an 18 year old CAN die for their country, vote in an election etc... then this makes no sense. Pure bull poo. maybe serving in the military should be raised until 21?

[sarisataka]

8. I partially agree

But see this restriction as a parallel to alcohol sale.

In a military situation we do arm 18 year olds but they get training and are under supervision. Civilians are unsupervised and usually not required to get (eenough) training.

Many times military discipline is what an 18 year old needs. Perhaps instead restrict combat service to 21 and older. Three years of training should ensure all troops in combat are high quality.

[1awake]

9. I would be completely for that.

and though I support gun ownership, I would have no issue with the waiting for 21 if this was the case (not sure I have an issue with it either way but I don't like double standards lol).

[CANDO]

5. MSNBC

Was just covering this and said it wasn't so much a settled issue, but that the SCOTUS was letting it bounce around the lower courts before it possibly will make it back to the SCOTUS some time in the future.

[hlthe2b]

7. Maybe.. Although that sounds like what NRA wants us to think...

[billh58]

10. A little more detail from

an NBC News report:

"The U.S. Supreme Court declined Monday to consider whether the Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms applies outside the home, taking a pass on a hot topic that has divided the lower courts."

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"In 2008, the Supreme Court ruled that the Second Amendment guarantees the right to possess a gun at home for self-defense. Since then, the lower courts have split over the nature of gun rights beyond the home."

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"The Obama administration defended the federal law restricting handgun sales to minors. Congress acted after finding that young offenders were especially prone to misusing firearms, the government says. The federal law was meant to prevent minors from crossing state lines to buy guns that they could not get legally in the own states, it says."

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/crime-courts/court-passes-challenges-restricting-handguns-young-adults-n37196

Even though the pro-gun lobby believes that it has won the battle on CCW, SYG, and guns-for-everyone -- it clearly has not. The matter of an absolute right to carry concealed lethal weapons in the public venue is yet to be decided, and no matter the outcome the various states will retain the option for stiff CCW regulations and penalties for non-compliance.

[malaise]

14. Thanks

[cherokeeprogressive]

11. 21 sounds like a good age to me. n/t

[spanone]

12. k&r...

[freshwest]

13. Why specify 18-20 as minors when people are giving rifles to much younger minors?

Photo: A little girl carrying her pink Crickett on her back AP photo

Do children need pink and blue guns?

May 2, 2013

...The story itself is heartbreaking. A five-year-old Kentucky boy accidently shot his two-year-old sister to death with a .22 caliber rifle he had received as a birthday present last year. It was a Crickett rifle, especially made for kids.

The county coroner Gary White told the local paper that the gun was kept in the corner of a room and the family didn’t realize there was a bullet in it. The toddler died from a single gunshot wound to her chest. The mother was outside on the front porch at the time of the shooting.

The Crickett is marketed as “My First Rifle,” coming in a variety of colors, including blue and pink and even a camouflage pink. It is manufactured by Keystone Sporting Arms LLC, based in Milton, Pa.

The rifle is touted on the company’s website as “just the right size for my 5- and 7- year-olds. They are awesome and couldn’t be happier.” The company brags it sold 60,000 Cricketts and its cousin the Chipmunk in 2008, the last year sales figures are listed...

http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/ad-lib/2013/may/2/do-children-need-pink-and-blue-guns/

[oneshooter]

15. The "Cricket" has a keyed bolt lock.

Open the bolt and look at the chamber to make sure it is unloaded. Close bolt and turn rifle over. Insert key and depress lock. Remove key. Bolt is now locked in place.

This is more failure of a parent to properly check the rifle and lock the bolt closed on an empty chamber. Safety locks only work if properly used by the ADULTS.

[pnwmom]

17. Safety locks only work if properly used by the ADULTS. That's asking a lot.

Especially since the NRA also thinks it's just fine if alcoholics and drug abusers own guns.

[freshwest]

21. And especially if the guns are being marketed to 5 and 7 year olds. I know someone who just disowned

his son (figuratively speaking) for giving his two-year-old grandson a rifle. not a toy, for his birthday. His thirty something son thought it was a great idea and couldn't be persuaded otherwise.

[malaise]

19. It's crazy

Beyond crazy

[freshwest]

20. It's appalling. Just think, they're in the neighborhood. n/t

[Packerowner740]

16. Good

[Lost_Count]

18. If you can vote, you should be able to own a firearm....

[idendoit]

22. SCOTUS did leave themselves a big out for gun regulation.

In 2010 in McDonald v Chicago, I believe that faccia di culo Scalia wrote the opinion: "Unless considerations of stare decisis counsel otherwise, a provision of the Bill of Rights that protects a right that is fundamental from an American perspective applies equally to the Federal Government and the States." Which I take to mean you can have all the guns you want until the state says you can't.

[JimDandy]

23. Misleading headline: adults are not minors. n/t