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Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
Tue Feb 25, 2014, 04:42 PM Feb 2014

New Georgia License Plate Marks 150th Anniversary Of Sherman's March

New Georgia License Plate Marks 150th Anniversary Of Sherman's March




The state of Georgia last week began offering a new version of its vehicle license plate featuring the Confederate battle flag. Sponsored by the Georgia division of the Sons of Confederate Veterans (to whom a portion of the purchase price and annual registration fees will go), the revised design has many people inside the state and out howling mad.

In response to the outcry, Georgia SCV commander Jack Bridwell asked, "What's the big deal?" Echoing Bridwell's explanation that "the design is just people trying to show who they are and trying to be proud of their heritage," Sons of Confederate Veterans spokesman Ray McBerry invited other groups to do the same:

"We believe that all people ought to be able to celebrate their history and their heritage, and that includes Southerners. We did anticipate that there could be some folks who would not like that, but we encourage them to go and make application for their own specialty plates."

Now, a little known organization is taking him up on the offer. The group, calling itself The American People, is sponsoring a license plate to mark the 150th anniversary of Union General William Tecumseh Sherman's March to the Sea.

After capturing the South's vital manufacturing center and rail hub at Atlanta, Sherman's troops marched southeast to Savannah leaving a swath of ruin in their wake. Between November 15th and December 21st, 1864, Sherman more than accomplished his objective to "create havoc and destruction of all resources that would be beneficial to the enemy." Sherman's brilliant campaign (or what the Sons of Confederate Veterans brand "atrocities and war crimes&quot hastened the end of the Confederacy and with it the enslavement of four million Americans.





http://crooksandliars.com/2014/02/new-georgia-license-plate-marks-shermans-march




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New Georgia License Plate Marks 150th Anniversary Of Sherman's March (Original Post) Ichingcarpenter Feb 2014 OP
I love it! rdharma Feb 2014 #1
In my estimation we should think before we upaloopa Feb 2014 #2
Sherman ordered and was responsible for that? rdharma Feb 2014 #4
Hundreds of ex slaves were following Sherman's march. upaloopa Feb 2014 #7
I'm pretty familiar with Civil War history. rdharma Feb 2014 #8
What I could find Go Vols Feb 2014 #11
Yes get history channel of Sherman's March upaloopa Feb 2014 #13
I'd love to read a cite of that...nt msanthrope Feb 2014 #10
History Channel Sherman's March upaloopa Feb 2014 #14
History Channel? Really? Were they taking a break from the Nazis and the occult, and msanthrope Feb 2014 #16
Look up thread upaloopa Feb 2014 #17
You realize that wasn't Sherman, right, but General Jefferson C. Davis, and of course, Wheeler's msanthrope Feb 2014 #18
You win go claim your prize upaloopa Feb 2014 #19
So, your claim is false ..... and you get mad when others point it out? rdharma Feb 2014 #20
+1 a whole bunch! Enthusiast Feb 2014 #24
I think its effective to the confederate battle flag plate Ichingcarpenter Feb 2014 #5
They (the rebels) wanted war... awoke_in_2003 Feb 2014 #9
some people, you just can't reach nt geek tragedy Feb 2014 #12
Was your ancestor a Georgia Civil War Veteran? theHandpuppet Feb 2014 #3
Alternative caption for plate: "Tough love but we earned it". nt eppur_se_muova Feb 2014 #6
They should offer a third option... pinboy3niner Feb 2014 #15
This is hilarious. The sons of a bunch of losers commemorating an epic loss. idendoit Feb 2014 #21
Good. BBR Esq Feb 2014 #22
Seems to be a joke REP Feb 2014 #23

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
2. In my estimation we should think before we
Tue Feb 25, 2014, 05:02 PM
Feb 2014

jump to support what Sherman did. At one point a large number of ex slaves drown because Sherman's troops refused to help them. His troops were not saints.
Today we might call them terrorists.

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
7. Hundreds of ex slaves were following Sherman's march.
Tue Feb 25, 2014, 05:39 PM
Feb 2014

They were crossing a bridge and after his troops got across the bridge collapsed with many ex slaves on it.
Sherman ordered his men to keep moving and not to stop and help.

Go Vols

(5,902 posts)
11. What I could find
Tue Feb 25, 2014, 06:13 PM
Feb 2014
So as Davis's men approached the 165-feet-wide and 10-feet-deep swollen and icy Ebenezer Creek on December 3, the general envisioned more than merely another mass pontoon-bridge crossing. He saw an opportunity to rid himself of the refugees in a manner he thought would be subtle enough to elude censure. Controversy might follow, but he was used to that.
.........
Though what happened once Davis's troops had all crossed remains in dispute, it seems fairly certain that Davis had the pontoon bridge dismantled immediately, leaving the refugees stranded on the creek's far bank. Kerr wrote that as soon as the Federals reached their destination, 'orders were given to the engineers to take up the pontoons and not let a negro cross.'
........

Kerr saw Wheeler's cavalry 'closely pressing' the refugees from the rear. Unarmed and helpless, the former slaves 'raised their hands and implored from the corps commander the protection they had been promised,' Kerr wrote. '…[but] the prayer was in vain and, with cries of anguish and despair, men, women and children rushed by hundreds into the turbid stream and many were drowned before our eyes.'


http://www.historynet.com/betrayal-at-ebenezer-creek.htm

However, it was his actions during the Ebenezer Creek passing and his ruthlessness toward the freed slaves, that causes his legacy to be clouded in continued controversy. As Sherman's army proceeded on the March to the Sea toward Savannah, Georgia, on December 9, 1864, Davis ordered a pontoon bridge removed before the African-American refugees following his corps could cross the creek. Several hundred were captured by the Confederate cavalry or drowned in the creek, attempting to escape.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jefferson_C._Davis
 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
16. History Channel? Really? Were they taking a break from the Nazis and the occult, and
Tue Feb 25, 2014, 06:29 PM
Feb 2014

crop circles?

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
17. Look up thread
Tue Feb 25, 2014, 06:33 PM
Feb 2014

If you get over your self some day you may learn something but I doubt it .
I never quite understand why people come to this board just to belittle other people.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
18. You realize that wasn't Sherman, right, but General Jefferson C. Davis, and of course, Wheeler's
Tue Feb 25, 2014, 06:47 PM
Feb 2014

men on the Confederate side. So you have the wrong Union general, and of course, you forget that it was the Confederates who drove the ex-slaves into the river.

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
19. You win go claim your prize
Tue Feb 25, 2014, 06:57 PM
Feb 2014

Of course you knew nothing about it till today
And you make your own interpretation of the events
Let's put each other on ignore

 

rdharma

(6,057 posts)
20. So, your claim is false ..... and you get mad when others point it out?
Tue Feb 25, 2014, 08:11 PM
Feb 2014

Last edited Tue Feb 25, 2014, 09:55 PM - Edit history (1)

Wow!

Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
5. I think its effective to the confederate battle flag plate
Tue Feb 25, 2014, 05:12 PM
Feb 2014

who are celebrating traitors, racists, murderers, and slavers

Don't forget Andersonville was in Georgia either.




theHandpuppet

(19,964 posts)
3. Was your ancestor a Georgia Civil War Veteran?
Tue Feb 25, 2014, 05:04 PM
Feb 2014

I salute them as the forgotten "Southern heritage".

http://www.glynngen.com/military/civilwar/USCT.htm

U.S. Colored Troops (USCT) Military Service Records, Georgia
(Above link) This is a partial transcription of the muster rolls found at Ancestry.com for persons who were either born or living in Coastal Georgia



 

idendoit

(505 posts)
21. This is hilarious. The sons of a bunch of losers commemorating an epic loss.
Tue Feb 25, 2014, 08:31 PM
Feb 2014

Last edited Tue Feb 25, 2014, 09:04 PM - Edit history (1)

REP

(21,691 posts)
23. Seems to be a joke
Tue Feb 25, 2014, 09:48 PM
Feb 2014

From the linked piece:

(The above is obviously a joke. And a horrible idea, for the same reason that President Ulysses Grant rejected a proposal to paint a mural inside the Capitol Dome of Robert E. Lee's surrender at Appomattox. "No, gentlemen, it won't do. No power on earth will make me agree to your proposal." Grant declared. "I will not humiliate General Lee or our Southern friends in depicting their humiliation and then celebrating the event in the nation's capitol.&quot


Grant, for all his faults, had some class.
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