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HockeyMom

(14,337 posts)
Wed Feb 26, 2014, 02:53 PM Feb 2014

Show yourselves "Christian" Businesses

who are against "sinners" and heathens. Put up a CROSS on your business, if you against sinners; Non-Christian heathens, gays, adulterers and re-marrieds, sluts/fornicators using contraceptives, Democrats/Obama voters, etc. No, you don't get to decide. Let the PUBLIC decide if they want to patronize YOUR business. I DARE you to do this. You won't because you know that would put you out of business if the majority of the public knows that you discriminate based on your supposed religion.

Go ahead. Let US know who you are. I, for one, would never do business with you.

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Show yourselves "Christian" Businesses (Original Post) HockeyMom Feb 2014 OP
I agree gopiscrap Feb 2014 #1
You think they are reading DU? Puzzledtraveller Feb 2014 #2
LOL! No. Rex Feb 2014 #10
Me, too. It would be a wonderful opportunity for them to learn just how many people disagree with okaawhatever Feb 2014 #3
Don't know how they can ask for special treatment since they have no non-profit status. glinda Feb 2014 #4
You mean something like this? 1awake Feb 2014 #5
Some already do. MineralMan Feb 2014 #6
Sometimes that fish is a warning symbol for finding something rotten inside. Ikonoklast Feb 2014 #15
Many would happily already do this; el_bryanto Feb 2014 #7
Perhaps a reaction similar to the Chick-fil-a ordeal. karadax Feb 2014 #12
In big cities, this approach might work. surrealAmerican Feb 2014 #8
Many use the "fish" LibertyLover Feb 2014 #9
We just canceled a developer's contract for this. These delusional fucks Egalitarian Thug Feb 2014 #11
Hobby Lobby HockeyMom Feb 2014 #13
Hi Hockey Mom... theHandpuppet Feb 2014 #14
Hi again, HockeyMom theHandpuppet Feb 2014 #16
Good post HockeyMom Feb 2014 #17
Thanks. I took your question seriously. theHandpuppet Feb 2014 #18

okaawhatever

(9,461 posts)
3. Me, too. It would be a wonderful opportunity for them to learn just how many people disagree with
Wed Feb 26, 2014, 03:46 PM
Feb 2014

them. I don't think they understand how many straight people will side with the LGBTs on this.

glinda

(14,807 posts)
4. Don't know how they can ask for special treatment since they have no non-profit status.
Wed Feb 26, 2014, 04:48 PM
Feb 2014

I seriously do not understand this crap in their heads and why any politician would acquiesce to it.
I think this Country is super f)*(&%& up right now and am tired of them using people's money to bring such crap to Courts or Government.

1awake

(1,494 posts)
5. You mean something like this?
Wed Feb 26, 2014, 04:55 PM
Feb 2014



or this?





I don't think so. I agree with your premise, but have no interest asking anyone to be subjected to this crap... ever.

MineralMan

(146,286 posts)
6. Some already do.
Wed Feb 26, 2014, 05:08 PM
Feb 2014

They put the Christian fish symbol on their door or identify themselves as members of some Christian business association. They also advertise in Christian business directories and the pages of local Christian newspapers, etc. I ignore all of that sort of thing and patronize businesses with good, ethical business practices. The two things are not always synonymous.

Ikonoklast

(23,973 posts)
15. Sometimes that fish is a warning symbol for finding something rotten inside.
Wed Feb 26, 2014, 07:07 PM
Feb 2014

It's useful in fooling the suckers.

el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)
7. Many would happily already do this;
Wed Feb 26, 2014, 05:12 PM
Feb 2014

They would lose a lot of business but those who they keep might well be dedicated to keeping them open.

Bryant

karadax

(284 posts)
12. Perhaps a reaction similar to the Chick-fil-a ordeal.
Wed Feb 26, 2014, 05:35 PM
Feb 2014

You'd probably get more solidarity than the desired effect of putting them out of business. Everyone comes out of the woodwork for this stuff. As I recall, the average Chick-fil-a store gained a 30% boost in sales from that appreciation day that Huckabee orchestrated.

LibertyLover

(4,788 posts)
9. Many use the "fish"
Wed Feb 26, 2014, 05:21 PM
Feb 2014

sign to indicate they are Christian. They also have Christian yellow pages books in some areas.

 

Egalitarian Thug

(12,448 posts)
11. We just canceled a developer's contract for this. These delusional fucks
Wed Feb 26, 2014, 05:27 PM
Feb 2014

feel they have the right, so fine, do it without our money (Sadly, less than $10K).

 

HockeyMom

(14,337 posts)
13. Hobby Lobby
Wed Feb 26, 2014, 06:00 PM
Feb 2014

Oh, not just about contraceptives. A woman complained that she went there looking for Hannukah crafts and was told that, "We are a CHRISTIAN company and don't sell Non-Christian crafts." Hmm. So if Jesus were to come back to 2014 and went lookin there for Jewish Mennorah or Star of David crafts, you would diss him too?

My point is that they don't even KNOW their own religion, let alone good business skills, and are totally blinded by what THEY think their religion is.

While I know the Catholic Church is still against Gay Marriage, I wonder what Pope Francis would say about denying gay people shelter, food, or the basic necessities of life all in the name of "religion"?

theHandpuppet

(19,964 posts)
14. Hi Hockey Mom...
Wed Feb 26, 2014, 06:44 PM
Feb 2014

I do have an answer for you on the questions you asked but it will take me a while to compose my thoughts and write you a decent response. I'd really like you to revisit this thread this evening along with anyone else who's had this same question.

theHandpuppet

(19,964 posts)
16. Hi again, HockeyMom
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 12:01 AM
Feb 2014

Last edited Thu Feb 27, 2014, 12:29 PM - Edit history (3)

It is heartening to see the support at DU in the battle against discriminatory laws being proposed in state legislatures across the country. It's almost as disheartening to find too many posts in which these bills are assumed to be the legislative flailings of a simple and single-minded bunch of "redneck" evangelicals. The peril is to underestimate the forces at work here, unlikely alliances that have been forged over decades specifically to derail any progress for the rights of women and LGBTs.

This war was declared with Roe vs Wade and when the battle was lost at the federal level, the strategy turned to one of chipping away at Roe by focusing on state legislatures. Towards that goal, political lobbying by fundamentalist evangelicals and the Catholic church found success, especially by pressing for laws that forced the closing of many clinics that provided need contraception and abortion services. (It didn't matter that many of these clinics provided needed health services for both women and men who could not otherwise afford care.) The strategy was so effective the battle front was then expanded to fight gay marriage and in that cause the Mormon church became part of the alliance. Millions were spent either fighting gay marriage initiatives on the ballot or for initiating legislation by the states that would outright ban gay marriage or civil unions. This met with mixed success, though gay marriage is recognized in but a minority of states.

Emboldened by their victories at the state level and as a backlash against new federal laws banning discrimination against LGBTs, the battle expanded and morphed again under the banner of "religious liberty" -- in effect, an effort to legalize broad discrimination against LGBTs, state by state. It would probably surprise many people to learn that the Catholic church has been actively lobbying for these discriminatory bills; in Arizona and Kansas, for example, the Arizona Catholic Conference and Kansas Catholic Conference were backers of both bills. What surprises me is that anyone should be surprised at all. At every turn the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops has been fighting against the rights of women and LGBTS, filing scores of lawsuits against the HHS contraception mandate, ENDA (the Employment Non-Discrimination Act), shutting down adoption services rather than accept gay parents, withdrawing support and money from immigration groups in places like Illinois and Colorado because they would not divorce any pro-LGBT connections, even though organizations such as Colorado's Companeros were assisting poor immigrants with their basic needs. The Boy Scouts, Girl Scouts, YMCA, no group was immune from being cut off if they refused to denounce pro-LGBT affiliations.

As President Obama speaks out more forcefully for LGBT rights, the coordinated bombardment of pro-discrimination and anti-choice bills in state legislatures has escalated to a fever pitch. These are the last ditch counterattacks mounted by this alliance of religious conservatives in the face of at what appears to be, at least in this country, an inevitable defeat in the war against social evolution. Their efforts are still well-funded, well organized and determined, though sensing perhaps that the battle is lost here, the alliance has turned its attention to developing nations in Africa, Asia and South America, considered to be more fertile ground for their own brand of misogyny and homophobia.

In some African countries these efforts have been rewarded, to alarming results. But again, it took an alliance of religious conservatives to achieve that success, with the hatemongering evangelical Pastor Scott Lively (currently facing charges of war crimes) carrying the banner for the movement. Yet we cannot overlook the role played by representatives of other faiths, particularly the Anglican and Catholic churches. Catholic Bishops and Archbishops in Uganda, Nigeria and Cameroon have all backed their country's anti-gay bills. The Ugandan Bishops took a rather seesaw path to their current stance, first backing the "kill the gays" bill then withdrawing it, then backing the bill again once the death penalty clause was removed from the bill to be replaced by life imprisonment. Now that the bill has actually been signed, they have stated they will reserve judgment on the new law. Ironically, Ugandan Archbishop Lwanga, who had previously expressed support for the bill, is the same man who suspended Catholic cleric Anthony Musaala for speaking out on the Ugandan church's sexual abuse of children.

There are those who might be wondering that while LGBTs are battling for basic human rights and in some cases, for their very lives, where is the voice of justice to be heard from Rome? Why, Pope Francis wouldn't dare tolerate this nonsense, this injustice! The silence must be disappointing and perhaps confusing. Considering all his forceful statements decrying the corrupting influence of unbridled capitalism, his touching concern for the poor and strong support for workers, his admonishments over environmental destruction, where is that voice as LGBTs are being arrested, beaten, tortured and murdered from Russia to Nigeria, even here? Why haven't we heard the same impassioned condemnation from Francis that we have heard from the likes of a Bishop Desmond Tutu? Because, in reality, by denouncing the war against LGBTs and women's rights he would be condemning his own bishops and the battles they are currently waging against LGBTs both here and abroad. He is, after all, a son of the Church, as he himself has said with regard to these issues.

The fact is, Francis is not and has never been a supporter of equality for LGBTs. Before being elected Pope, he practically built his career on condemning gays in the most vile terms. Likewise, he has never been nor will he be a champion for the equal rights of women and reproductive choice. If you're expecting anything different, you will be sorely disappointed.

To repeat those words of warning, it is dangerous to underestimate the current crusade for discriminatory legislation as simply the last gasp of a bunch of "evangelical rednecks". The forces behind the legislation, the lawsuits and lobbying are much more powerful than you know. The fundamentalist evangelicals may be the loud, drunk, obnoxious cousins invited to the family reunion but there are others mingling at the picnic of bigotry. Maybe some folks just never noticed they were there.

theHandpuppet

(19,964 posts)
18. Thanks. I took your question seriously.
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 03:19 PM
Feb 2014

So I wanted to offer a sincere reply both to you and to others who have asked the same question.

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