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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forums"I believe President Obama...is a Hall-of-Fame worthy bullshit artist."
http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/22126-william-rivers-pitt-the-ocean-is-coming
That's not from the RW.
Five years of Obama, and 2014 has been a busy year thus far
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024559777
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)With the flat-Earthers in congress one can only do so much. I hope he does reject KXL though.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/docs/environment_record.pdf
freshwest
(53,661 posts)JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)blkmusclmachine
(16,149 posts)JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)stopbush
(24,376 posts)If that's a sell out and BS, I guess I'm OK with selling out and BSing.
blkmusclmachine
(16,149 posts)ProSense
(116,464 posts)"You're liking your GOP crafted HeritageCare/RomneyCare ?!?!"
Those distortions are not working anymore. More and more Americans are rejecting the anti-Obamacare messages, and Democrats are standing up for the law.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024574080
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024574080#post2
NC Republican Senate Candidate Is GETTING HAMMERED Over Obamacare
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024574750
Michigan Democrat taking Koch brothers head on over Obamacare
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024574970
cprise
(8,445 posts)It has not realized the cost savings shown across the rest of the developed world with socialized insurance.
And when bankers create new 'financial instruments' to rip people off from another direction, like they did with the mortgage crisis?
No one is going to regulate those creeps' dealings, and you're deluded if you think they are in anything more than token form.
The only reason there is a fight with conservatives over this is because they have descended into an "its our team or no one" goose-stepping mentality. The result is the self-admitted Reaganite Democrats and the now-fascist Republicans are fighting over who will get to implement right-wing policies.
stopbush
(24,376 posts)We are covered under the CA Medicaid expansion. I've been out of work for 3 years, approaching 60 and unable to find work anywhere. My wife works part time. Our two kids are in school. My wife has a pre-existing condition: breast cancer.
We are living off her part-time income and drawing down on our retirement funds, funds we put away when I was working full time for the better part of 30 years, before the last place I worked went belly up.
We were on a shitty COBRA for 18 months - it cost us roughly $9000 over that time. It ran out. We were without any insurance for months. Purchasing a pre-ACA plan in the individual market was not an option for us with my wife's cancer history.
We are now on Medi-Cal thru Cal Optima, where we have medical, dental and vision benefits with no co-pays. Prescriptions are a max of $4. That is the only option available to us, and it would not be available had the ACA not been enacted.
So I don't really give a flying fuck what you think about it. My concern is for my family, and had President Obama not put it all on the line and got the ACA passed, we'd be sitting here in dread every single fucking day worrying about what would happen if my wife's cancer comes back, or someone had an accident, or someone got some kind of illness.
I hope you have a good job with great health insurance. Good for you. Others aren't so fortunate. That's who Ds traditionally look out for - the less fortunate, and President Obama is no exception.
The Medicaid expansion aspect of the ACA has nothing to do with the GOP or Romneycare. It's an expansion of the existing socialized health program in this country (though I grant you didn't know that I was on Medicaid from my initial post).
BTW - I hope your job doesn't depend on GOP-crafted businesses to exist. Otherwise, you'd be a hypocrite.
riqster
(13,986 posts)brooklynite
(93,834 posts)You may get sick, but you'll have the warm feeling of standing up for your principles...or of malaria.
Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)It is intensely personal and eloquent defense of ACA, flawed as the program may be.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)can't charge me for my pre-existings.
Looks like my second eyeball surgery will be completely covered. And my autistic daughter covered. THANKS OBAMA!!!!!
Journeyman
(15,001 posts)Why would you prefer the pre-ACA fraud?
pnwmom
(108,925 posts)he was paying on COBRA, and that his girlfriend is now covered by expanded Medicaid.
treestar
(82,383 posts)Really well. I can do everything now - all the recommended tests and some minor surgery.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)Had cancer at age 2. Surgery ... chemo. Survived.
My sister and her husband could not get her covered for anything more than basic illness or sports injuries afterwards.
She had kidney stones starting at 12. No coverage. Any medical issue that could conceiveably be tied back to that old cancer ... not covered.
Now at 17, she's fully covered.
An going forward, she can't be denied coverage ever again.
The ACA will save her life.
Arkana
(24,347 posts)because then you'd know that MassHealth is one of the best things that's ever happened to it. Something like 97% of people in the state are insured now.
Plus, I had it for a few months when I was unemployed, and it was the best plan I've ever had. I could still go to any GP/specialist I wanted, and my prescription drug costs dropped to $3 per month. Plus, if I had had to pay more than $200 in a year for drugs, MassHealth would have covered the rest.
I hope that you find yourself capable of thinking about the ACA through the prism of how many people it's helped one day.
Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)stopbush
(24,376 posts)Because that isn't the "we" that exists in the mind of THIS Dem, who cast his first presidential ballot in 1972.
Obamacare a loser? Screw that!
Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)you're a good American, keep it up. We need more like you.
stopbush
(24,376 posts)Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)It's all up to people like you that allow people like me to make money by manipulating people like you.
I was destitute and on the verge of homelessness six years ago. Thank you very much.
BTW, Today, I'm trying to decide whether to risk a purchase of 100 acres or so in a purple state with drastically under-valued land, or whether to buy a piece of southern Oregon and count on people like you to keep increasing the market value of a smaller, and an objectively less valuable property. Which way do you think I should go?
stopbush
(24,376 posts)I'm happy for you. Sounds like things have really turned around.
Have fun manipulating people like me whose lives have hit a rough patch. Increase your fully-on-display feelings of smugness, convince yourself that your turnaround was entirely due to your own efforts, and within a year, you'll be deciding which Republican to honor with a campaign donation, the money provided by those people you love to manipulate.
I think that's the way you're going.
BTW - 6 years ago, I was pulling down a six-figure salary. Owned a home and watched my portfolio. Yes, I've been in the territory into which you're now heading. Enjoy it, because it is enjoyable. But make some wise investments, as I did, because you may need to draw on them if things take a turn for the worse.
Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)I've already been where you're headed.
Two market crashes and and two State's Attorney Generals that refused to enforce the law brought me low (one republican and one very famous Democrat that wanted to run for Governor).
It is the perpetuation of the myth, the bullshit, that lets us believe that there is a system that allows us to advance to the level of our capability when the fact is that you are totally owned and ruled by people that don't even know, or care about, your name. You're just an imminently replaceable part that is useful only so long as you are profitable.
Carry on, prole.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)ProSense
(116,464 posts)Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)Unless you are the scion of some name, you will likely never get anywhere near anyone that matters, except of course, in your dreams..
And the fact that you're happy about that is indicative of... something.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)What matters?!
ProSense
(116,464 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)I think that post of his says it all.
Whisp
(24,096 posts)like hollywood peeps or real estate matter more than anyone?
what the Hell? Daft! and Gross!
sheshe2
(83,319 posts)We are way out of your class. I humbly bow to your greatness.
Cha
(295,899 posts)being happy where she is.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)you retired in 2003 with 7 figures ... you were destitute and near homelessness in 2007 and able to purchase 100 acres today? You are either lying or a genius (on the intertubes). But we'll never know the truth, just what you post to the intertubes and we all know everything on the intertubes is truth.
Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)This being DU I am rather skeptical of your motives, but you being a man that has proved himself to be honest in the past... let me know.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)PM me ... we can chop it up. I have no nefarious intent, nor am I particularly invested in being "right"; but will be the first to sing your praises, upon proof.
MADem
(135,425 posts)based on how much people SPEND, not how many "miles" they fly.
These are overwhelming progressive concerns...aren't they?
Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)while claiming to be a liberal.
MADem
(135,425 posts)It's no mystery how you came off and what kind of push back you got.
Not "egalitarian," but Elitist, if you ask me. I guess I'm not the only one who noticed.
As someone else pointed out, you've got too many of those doggone "first world problems."
And now we hear you're in the seven figure club? What ARE you doing up in here around us po-folk, I have to wonder.
And the only one I noticed in that thread "doing business with them" was...YOU. So, there's that.
Here's my guy--he laughs heartier:
Elitist!
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Your allegations and judgement about others are almost as bemusing and irrelevant as the allegations you make regarding yourself.
(insert here how I'm a member or a tool of the oppressive classes to better validate your tales...)
stopbush
(24,376 posts)That's what can happen when you don't own the company.
I'm not a believer in the Horatio Alger bullshit, nor am I a cheerleader for politicians in general. But I will push back when the situation calls for it and defend those things that politicians do that are helpful.
OilemFirchen
(7,143 posts)I've just shared it with my groundskeeper. Gave him a chuckle!
Whisp
(24,096 posts)groundskeeper Willie you say?
OilemFirchen
(7,143 posts)Odd fellow. Keeps the varmints away, though.
MADem
(135,425 posts)Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)My best horse flown back in from Europe.
OilemFirchen
(7,143 posts)I'm on the French Riviera as we speak.
Now I have to pick a secretary to fire.
Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)In May for our reenactment of the original LeMans and I'll make sure your secretary's oversight only sets you back one bottle of Remy Martin.
Cha
(295,899 posts)Cha
(295,899 posts)reeks of insults.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)ProSense
(116,464 posts)Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)No more progressive for me.You corporocrats have convinced me that intent and objective are irrelevant. Barack has the right idea, get what you can, while you can, because the vermin rule, and fuck everybody else.
You have no interest in making the world better, you just want something for yourself. There's no point in helping your fellows, for they are nothing but more vermin seeking only to steal from me. Winning is not the most important thing, it is the only thing.
What you all forget to include in your plans is the fact that so few of you are good enough to win in the world you advocate.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)pkdu
(3,977 posts)OilemFirchen
(7,143 posts)Should've waited with the tycoon stuff until after the spleen-venting. It wouldn't have been any more convincing, but might've been a bit more entertaining.
Any way I can get a refund?
cyberswede
(26,117 posts)That sounds kind of Randian to me. Yuck.
sheshe2
(83,319 posts)I hear that it is over troubled water.
Wow you were just on a thread complaining about Chelsea making money. Now you come here to brag about your seven figure net and a home in Hollywood Hills.
You ran into trouble and were nearly wiped out. Try bringing home barely enough to make rent, then losing your job.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)"Ignore the facts and let your emotions carry you away..."
..."facts"? Seems you're the one whose "emotions" are getting in the way. The President ran for re-eleciton on Obamacare, and he won...big
http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/01/04/16348268-obama-agenda-first-since-ike-to-win-51-back-to-back
Again, the anti-Obamacare distortions are not working anymore. More and more Americans are rejecting those essages, and Democrats are standing up for the law.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024574080
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024574080#post2
NC Republican Senate Candidate Is GETTING HAMMERED Over Obamacare
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024574750
Michigan Democrat taking Koch brothers head on over Obamacare
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024574970
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024576323
Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)My greatest regret regarding ObamaCare, after it became perfectly clear what he wanted and for whom he wanted it, is that the son of a bitch poured trillions into Wall Street before I had gathered up enough capital to get in at the bottom.
I've decided that, since there is obviously no one on this side of the stage working to improve the lots of the people that actually need help, I may as well work the other side of the stage and get mine while there's still time.
Congratulations, your pretend boyfriend has convinced me. You win.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)"that you believe" overwrought bullshit is fact is what makes you far from "adorable."
OilemFirchen
(7,143 posts)From your barely readable profile:
"There is only one division in the human race, those that are on top stealing from those that are not, and those that believe they will someday be on top and can then steal from those that are not."
You should have that embroidered on your cummerbund.
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MADem
(135,425 posts)I'm not surprised though. It's about par for the course.
OilemFirchen
(7,143 posts)Hopefully enough saw it to truly appreciate my new pal's character.
MADem
(135,425 posts)sheshe2
(83,319 posts)I have been dealing with he/she on 2 threads. Not pretty, not pretty at all, MADem.
MADem
(135,425 posts)In response to Mr. Firchen's upthread comment "You should have that embroidered on your cummerbund," Mr., er, Thug invited him to read it whilst performing a sex act on Mr. Thug.
It wasn't worded so delicately, though.
I've never seen so many offensive comments out of one guy in a single day. He's going out of his way to be nasty to people. And then there's that "I make seven figures, buy a ton of land, and lived in the Hollywood Hills--you nobody, you" stuff. Like people believe internet boasters, and even if it were true, there's something sad about a person who has to brag to strangers about their "stuff."
I mean...really. Sounds like a wannabee-badass slash-and-burn cry for help or something. Someone's desperately unhappy, I suspect...and wants the rest of us to feel the same way!
sheshe2
(83,319 posts)One for Chelsea Clinton. It was ugly MADem.
God the post sounds ugly, though I am not surprised. Thanks for letting me know.
OilemFirchen
(7,143 posts)Sorry... couldn't resist.
sheshe2
(83,319 posts)Thanks for the translation MADem!
Cha
(295,899 posts)get his ass TS.
MADem
(135,425 posts)It was, indeed, a flame-out of epic proportions.
I'm sure he'll be back. Just look for someone who is proud of not being a Democrat, who enjoys being mean and snarky in a sexist and homophobic way, who boasts about his supposed wealth, who believes he is smarter than the average bear and has to "fight the power" to stay ahead, and thinks that "others" are after his riches.
Sad fellow, really, in the big picture--pathetic.
Cha
(295,899 posts)sheshe2
(83,319 posts)That is sooooooo high school.
You complain with a 7 figure net income? You, as you have stated, were wiped out. Now a few years later you can buy up 100 acres. Looks to me like you have already been working the other side of the stage to get yours.
Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)The system is totally rigged, but it's not hard to play if you fit the profile.
That's been the greatest resistance I've run into in my life. The people that rationally should want people like me on their side helping to promote what we all want, just can't seem to wrap their heads around the fact that I can get it done a lot easier because of the way I look and I know the signals.
The republicans love me, they think I'm one of them, every time, without fail.
The Democrats can't seem to get beyond appearances and would rather spend their time trying to figure out what I'm really after.
C'est La Vie.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)The republicans love me, they think I'm one of them, every time, without fail.
...why the little people you want to like you don't seem to.
Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)And the following projection of a pathological desire to be liked is pro forma (Look it up).
ProSense
(116,464 posts)I mean, "Republicans love" you.
I "will likely never get anywhere near" one "that matters."
What is life without Republican love?
Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)OilemFirchen
(7,143 posts)I remember when my bodyguards and I would go from casino to casino and drag that type into the alley for a bit of a thrashing. More often than not they were grifters and deserved it. Sometimes an innocent would be swept up. Oops.
I'll admit that it was fun, but it took me quite a few years to realize that I was just being judgmental.
Oh, who am I kidding? It's still a blast!
Response to OilemFirchen (Reply #239)
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OilemFirchen
(7,143 posts)sheshe2
(83,319 posts)The system is rigged and you are working it. Sounds like you are so very proud of yourself.
Your posts at Chelsea Birthday thread make more sense now. She and her family are parasites according to you. You are in it for yourself yet you bemoan your fate on several posts. Do I think you are in my corner? No I do not. Seems to me it is all about you.
So glad the Repukes love you. That must make you a rich old white man, correct?
Your DU profile speaks volumes. So are you at the top now? You must be if you are buying up 100 acres.
Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)She and her family are in fact parasites, that you wish to believe otherwise is indicative of nothing so much as your own desire to emulate them, if only you had the chance. But there's the ugly truth, you won't get it, ever.
Unlike the fantasists, I don't believe in anything except what I can see and the effects thereof.
That you all so desperately wish for the fantasy to come true, that you are willing to sacrifice yourself and your future in the forlorn hope that one of these parasites will save you, indicates just how far you have removed yourself from reality.
Why don't you call her up an tell her what terrible things are being said about her right now? Oh wait, you don't have any way to contact her and she wouldn't give a shit if you did. She is richer than you'll ever be, thanks to mom & dad, and she couldn't care less about whatever situation you are in.
I think that it is clear that I'm nowhere near the top, but that doesn't matter to you because you believe that I'm the enemy and Chelsea Clinton is your friend.
sheshe2
(83,319 posts)Sorry, no you have the wrong person here. My life may not be a bed of roses, yet I still like it. Sure I wish my money gave me freedom to but groceries at will. I would be happy making 40K. Yet I don't.
As for
Nope, that is not my reality at all.
As for the Chelsea thread. She is a sweet lady. Wishing a person a Happy Birthday is a sweet courtesy. Does that mean I believe I am her best friend. Aaaah no.
Hey ET~ You are thinking of buying 100 acres. You are a hell of a lot closer to the top than I am. Enjoy your lonely spot, cause it sounds like it is.
I would rather dwell at the bottom with my family and people that care. I will remain with the people that have my back. Friends matter, they always will.
MADem
(135,425 posts)He can't post without being nasty. I'd say he has a problem in that regard.
He also has a problem with boasting to strangers about things they don't care about and quite possibly don't believe on the internet.
Say, have I ever told you about my vault full of gold bars and my vintage Rolls Royce collection and my chalet in St. Moritz and my luxury apartment in Knightsbridge? And does that impress you? No? And no? That's because I don't think it's a good idea to make up silly fantasies about how rich and important I am on the internet! I think most of us have gotten the word that this kind of thing is ill-advised...!
Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)and then complaining because they're not nice to you.
You're still being a sucker.
MADem
(135,425 posts)You're the only one who hasn't quite figured it out, yet.
Why don't you make some more crude remarks? That's all you've got, apparently.
Response to MADem (Reply #253)
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MADem
(135,425 posts)Because you do seem to be living all over this thread.
Most Boston fishwives, I suspect, don't use the simple, penis-oriented language that you have used to denigrate other posters and deleted in this thread. I'd wager they're much more eloquent than you seem to manage.
I don't care about your "Delta card," you know. I don't believe internet boasters; for all I know, you're posting from a trailer park in Carson City. Not that there's anything WRONG with that, mind you--though it would seem you'd think so!
Say hi to all your imaginary friends in the Hollywood Hills, there, Fishwife.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)but this one is epic.
MADem
(135,425 posts)impart his wisdom to others....
That was textbook incivility, tough.
Some folks confuse being a foul-mouthed, pompous offensive jerk with being tough and resolute. They're not the same thing, as that guy has been told...
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)Never seems to stop 'em though does it? But yeah who could have predicted that one
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)Skinner summed it up quite succinctly--a sexist/homophobe/troll.
If I were a bettor, I will bet he'll be back. He likes to be a Big Man on Campus, it seems.
Wow, I didn't realize someone alerted on that post where he got shirty with me. He got one thing right in that post--he is, indeed a "nasty old not-a-Democrat" and he demonstrated that in his conversations with everyone in that thread. That wasn't the worst post directed at me in the thread--in another post, he called me a "low life piece of shit" for ostensibly "doing business with Delta" (which is a weird thing to say, on a good day). He didn't get that right either.
I'd say he needs help, and I hope he gets some. Being that intolerant is no way to go through life...!
OilemFirchen
(7,143 posts)And a special shout-out to MADem, whose performance as the fishwife was spellbinding.
MADem
(135,425 posts)Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)Number23
(24,544 posts)One less for Mr. Pitt's rec list though, sadly...
Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)Gravitycollapse
(8,155 posts)You have been thrown a bone on one thing and somehow that negates all else?
The Obama administration is a mix of good and bad like most others. And it would be unwise to use one subject to condemn or deify the President and his government.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)"The Obama administration is a mix of good and bad like most others. And it would be unwise to use one subject to condemn or deify the President and his government. "
Given the quote in the OP, it's also beyond ironic.
Gravitycollapse
(8,155 posts)Rather than invoking ONE event in a 5 year long presidency.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)"Ah, but Pitt's hit job is multifaceted. And for that I give him credit."
Probably just upset the epic debate thread didn't swing the election.
It's has been one epic Obama sucks post after another since then.
stopbush
(24,376 posts)One bone negates all else? In other words, Obamacare is the only good thing Obama has done. All else is a disaster?
I see no need to expand the discussion beyond the subject of the ACA. That's a huge subject in and of itself. It's enough to say that I am personally grateful that the ACA became law. Do I really need to toss in other good things Obama has done to make the point?
Gravitycollapse
(8,155 posts)In order to make an argument against all of the accusations in Pity's article, you would have to present a strong case in support of the administration. Which you haven't. Since only providing one example is inadequate.
stopbush
(24,376 posts)However, from my perspective, my family having health insurance is such an enormous issue that were that the only good thing President Obama had done to date, it would have been quite enough for me. Few if any federal policies have so impacted my family's situation for the better as has passage of the ACA.
It really isn't up to me to provide an argument against every one of Pitt's points. I'm simply providing a counter to his claims that Obama isn't my friend and is a sell out, and I'm doing that via a single example. Others may have other examples.
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)You are now officially a "hater" because you are rational and reasonable. That is NOT allowed by the cheerleaders.
sharp_stick
(14,400 posts)In fact that's pretty much par for the course. Keeping the message the same over time makes it much easier to write.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)blkmusclmachine
(16,149 posts)shenmue
(38,501 posts)of the anti-Democratic Democrats. They need to just cut it out and go hang out with Ron Paul like they so obviously want to.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)blkmusclmachine
(16,149 posts)baldguy
(36,649 posts)but who insist on camping outside the tent just so they can piss in.
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)I'm totally stealing that.
Auntie Bush
(17,528 posts)progressoid
(49,824 posts)Anti-Democratic.
Jamaal510
(10,893 posts)even be paid to post here. It's hard to tell who is genuine around here and who is an infiltrator.
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)If proposed by the Obama administration, they have a problem with owning those positions. They prefer to find a way to blame it on "liberals."
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)Drama gets attention, facts aren't important.
Just like...
okaawhatever
(9,453 posts)loser.
cheapdate
(3,811 posts)for their new LEAF all-electric vehicle. Government loans helped make the billion dollar investment possible. Nor would MC Ionic Solutions have built a $62 million dollar lithium ion plant in Memphis, TN.
My company had a major involvement in both of those projects. These major construction projects put quite a few of our employees back to work, as well as hundreds of other contractors and suppliers.
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)Anyone who gets selected to become president of the US has to be a bullshit artist. In fact, becoming president means you are among the best.
I'm sure Hillary is wondering if she can keep up, but she is probably feeling too honest?
blkmusclmachine
(16,149 posts)SidDithers
(44,228 posts)You seem upset.
Sid
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)OilemFirchen
(7,143 posts)JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)msanthrope
(37,549 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Nothing like over-the-top attacks to drive hits to a struggling website.
Sid
okaawhatever
(9,453 posts)msanthrope
(37,549 posts)Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)You've hit rock bottom. Congratulations. You now have no credibility at all.
Whisp
(24,096 posts)and go into dentistry.
It would be less painful for everyone.
Whisp
(24,096 posts)why should there be surprise at hit shit pieces like this then?
Following scammer GG orders I guess.
MADem
(135,425 posts)try to make a little fast money....
How long before they link up with the Daily Paul, I wonder?
Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)Next stop mises.org
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)Entrepreneurism, etc....
Whisp
(24,096 posts)Shovel that bullshit, ratchet up the emotions, collect the dollars.
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)Plenty of people won't be back, I suspect.
MADem
(135,425 posts)Have they been given three business days to get the rent together, is that it?
MindMover
(5,016 posts)ForgoTheConsequence
(4,846 posts)One if Obama approves keystone and one if he rejects it?
scarletwoman
(31,893 posts)In the meantime, Will Pitt has posted his piece right here on DU: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024576897 - so you have a splendid opportunity to tell him what you think right there on his thread.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)OK.
scarletwoman
(31,893 posts)ProSense
(116,464 posts)scarletwoman
(31,893 posts)I wouldn't mind at all.
Cha
(295,899 posts)noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)sheshe2
(83,319 posts)So does that mean it was mindless drivel. Or am I just having computer problems.
Doesn't matter, I saw his OP here.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)sheshe2
(83,319 posts)I guess I am.
Know thy enemy. It helps with strategic planning, freshwest!
ProSense
(116,464 posts)It certainly is embarrassing.
Also posted here: http://billmoyers.com/2014/02/27/the-ocean-is-coming/
sheshe2
(83,319 posts)Nah, thanks anyway, I don't need to read it to know what was said. Your "teaser" was more than enough. It was just another Obama sucks OP.
Surprise Surprise!
freshwest
(53,661 posts)Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)WilliamPitt
(58,179 posts)Fixed.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)Apparently not. I still see nonsense.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)ProSense
(116,464 posts)sheshe2
(83,319 posts)I really didn't want to read another Obama is selling you out post anyway!
Faux News~
WillyT
(72,631 posts)NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)Whisp
(24,096 posts)Would be less painful for us all.
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)Maybe you should demand that his op on this subject be locked?
madinmaryland
(64,920 posts)kimbutgar
(20,871 posts)He knows it's bad and the truth is dripping out to the populace. Now they want to do another study and ten another study shows kind of a stall tactic to me.
Nebraska might go into a swing state status in 2014. Also LA, WV ,NC because of the spills and environmental destruction too bad the Dem's are such pussies not to run on the environment.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)a successful politician (especially any who came from the legal profession) who *isn't* skilled in the fine art of bullshit...
kimbutgar
(20,871 posts)If so I disagree with you and believe you have made a false premise. The president is not superman and what he has had to face is unprecedented. It one thing to be an armchair quarterback and it's another to be in the game. We all have no idea what he faces. Personally being the Presidentof the Us today is a shitty job if you are a democratic president.
Nanjing to Seoul
(2,088 posts)words.
He has been one of the harshest people in demanding convictions on the war on drugs.
He claims climate change is important, but supports the building of an unsustainable, environmentally unfriendly pipe line through extremely sensitive areas.
He claims to support whistleblower laws, but does nothing when a whistleblower is thrown in prison or has their life destructions (Manning, Snowden, Siegelman).
He supports the rule of law, but allows extra judicial killings with drones.
He campaigned to end Gitmo's indefinite detentions, but Gitmo is sill operational.
He took an oath to defend the Constitution, but has his NSA commit a massive domestic spying program in violation of at least three amendments.
He claims to be a friend of teachers, but his Race to the Top is nothing more than a modern "A Nation At Risk" and Arne "we get our teachers by scrapping the bottom of the barrel" Duncan is given education to the people who want to destroy public education for profit.
Pitt makes alot of good points. Whether you agree or see it that way is on you, but I see where Pitt is coming from.
Sognefjord
(229 posts)Nanjing to Seoul
(2,088 posts)he has a "D" in front of his name. Party over what is right every time!
When Obama is right, I support him. When he is wrong, I criticize.
Hell, I'm sure Bush did one thing I liked. . .oh yeah. . .on Jan 20th, 2009, he left office.
Sognefjord
(229 posts)Nanjing to Seoul
(2,088 posts)struggle4progress
(118,032 posts)By Sari Horwitz
Published: September 19 E-mail the writer
Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. said Thursday he has directed U.S. attorneys across the country to review and possibly refile charges in ongoing drug cases so that low-level, nonviolent offenders will not face severe mandatory sentences. The policy change will be applied to suspects in drug cases who have been charged but not yet tried, as well as to individuals who have been convicted but not yet sentenced ...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/holder-directs-attorneys-to-seek-reduced-sentences-in-pending-drug-cases/2013/09/19/ee7846da-2162-11e3-966c-9c4293c47ebe_story.html
struggle4progress
(118,032 posts)By Juliet Eilperin and Steven Mufson
Published: January 18, 2012 E-mail the writers
President Obama, denouncing a rushed and arbitrary deadline set by congressional Republicans, announced Wednesday that he was rejecting a Canadian firms application for a permit to build and operate the Keystone XL pipeline, a massive project that would have stretched from Canadas oil sands to refineries in Texas ...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/obama-administration-to-reject-keystone-pipeline/2012/01/18/gIQAPuPF8P_story.html
struggle4progress
(118,032 posts)By Patricia Zengerle
WASHINGTON
Fri Jun 14, 2013 6:45pm EDT
(Reuters) - The U.S. House of Representatives passed a massive defense bill on Friday that includes measures to block President Barack Obama's plans to close the Guantanamo Bay prison ...
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/06/14/us-usa-defense-guantanamo-idUSBRE95D12F20130614
Statement by the President on H.R. 3304
Today I have signed into law H.R. 3304, the "National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2014."
Since taking office, I have repeatedly called upon the Congress to work with my Administration to close the detention facility at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. The continued operation of the facility weakens our national security by draining resources, damaging our relationships with key allies and partners, and emboldening violent extremists.
For the past several years, the Congress has enacted unwarranted and burdensome restrictions that have impeded my ability to transfer detainees from Guantanamo ... Section 1033 renews the bar against using appropriated funds to construct or modify any facility in the United States, its territories, or possessions to house any Guantanamo detainee in the custody or under the control of the Department of Defense unless authorized by the Congress. Section 1034 renews the bar against using appropriated funds to transfer Guantanamo detainees into the United States for any purpose. I oppose these provisions, as I have in years past, and will continue to work with the Congress to remove these restrictions. The executive branch must have the authority to determine when and where to prosecute Guantanamo detainees, based on the facts and circumstances of each case and our national security interests ...
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2013/12/26/statement-president-hr-3304
freshwest
(53,661 posts)Coyotl
(15,262 posts)Well, maybe less than half
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Tx4obama
(36,974 posts)Here: http://billmoyers.com/2014/02/27/the-ocean-is-coming/
His article is on the front page of Truth-Out here: http://www.truth-out.org/
but the read more link doesn't work.
greatauntoftriplets
(175,691 posts)There's no there there. Just another anti-Obama hit piece.
sheshe2
(83,319 posts)pscot
(21,023 posts)ProSense
(116,464 posts)calm the ankle biters.
obxhead
(8,434 posts)What are you smokin' today Prosense?
Tx4obama
(36,974 posts)SHRED
(28,136 posts)...defend him from the Right.
Nothing wrong with that.
Coyotl
(15,262 posts)postatomic
(1,771 posts)Seems a bit childish to me, but what the fuck. Whatever rocks your boat.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)and only 2 (or maybe 3) folks that took offense to that violation of ToS (and no alerts). This truly is a sad day for DU.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)any anti-Obama drivel sells.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Yes.
I can understand disagreement, disappointment, frustration; but blatant disrespect?
That's beyond the pale.
sheshe2
(83,319 posts)No surprises there.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)a virtual whose who of "liberals", "progressives", and Democrats that only care about economics (income inequity), the NSA, the tpp, smoking the weed, and the pipeline, and GLBTQ issues, if they happen to be gay; but give faint, if any, voice to things like racism or misogyny.
Hey ... doesn't that sound a lot like a libertarian, rather than a Democrat?
Skip Intro
(19,768 posts)I'm sure we can talk somebody into judging everyone else.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)I have no problem with ducks call themselves ducks ... I just have little patience with ducks that call themselves cows.
Jamaal510
(10,893 posts)sheshe2
(83,319 posts)You nailed it~
TheKentuckian
(24,934 posts)love pipelines and anything else that furthers the interests of the extraction industry.
Meanwhile, those that most like lobs the charge are free traders, pipeline apologists, favor corporate education right along with Jeb, can't stop defending the surveillance state, make excuses for lack of accountability for the rich and powerful, are quick to jump on the next military conflict (even if they are quick to pretend they really weren't), are Ok with or even support Social Security reductions, are always complaining about the left, pro drones, and all kinds of shit the Chamber of Commerce and imperialist wings of the right aka the Bush family.
What's up with that? Sound like east coast, country club set Republicans to me.
Marr
(20,317 posts)Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)Pitt linking his own garbage that uses over the top insults of President Obama here on DU is a violation of TOS.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)is there such a thing as an "anti-cult of personality" where the hero becomes not a single figure but anyone that says anything negative about a disfavored subject?
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)And if it's hidden ... We'll have clear evidence that the chronically outrage truly run the asylum.
Marr
(20,317 posts)Violation of the ToS or not, I don't alert on things unless they're just obvious right-wing troll posts. I'm guessing that's not your approach.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)for years, and have never alerted on a single post ... so I'd be guessing wrong.
And who is "WE"? I'm guessing ... No, your comment suggests that you and your herd ARE moving in, coordinated, step ... if only to launch, and support those that launch, over the top comments about this President (and the Democratic Party. That's what "WE" means in this context.
Well, at least, you recognize/acknowledge it.
Marr
(20,317 posts)Look, only one of us here has a subforum that gathers the 20 or so other like-minded DUers into a little defensive enclave. Only one of us has a visceral need to defend the leader against any and all criticism, and attack the critic.
One of us might fairly be said to be part of a "herd", but it isn't me.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)And whom would that be?
Though I assume you are talking about the BOG, that I do not control/monitor, rarely post to and cannot recall ever starting a thread. Is that what you are referring to? Okay ... I proudly claim it.
Now ... have you ever considered the sickness where, on a site named DEMOCRATICunderground, 20 or so other like-minded DUers (self-proclaimed, proud Democrats) WOULD HAVE to form into a little defensive enclave, in order to post, unmolested, positive threads about a Democratic President (and the Democratic Party, in general)?
If that doesn't strike you as odd, maybe you should consider stepping away from the herd.
And maybe the site owners should also ponder the question.
Marr
(20,317 posts)I don't expect you to see this, but the BOG is tiny not because it's "pro Democrat" (we all are here). The BOG is tiny because it's absolutely intolerant of criticism directed toward it's chosen authorities. It's an authoritarian-minded group, and that approach is never going to be popular with the left in general.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Shouldn't that read "OUR" chosen, i.e., elected, "Officials."
Telling, very telling ...
Marr
(20,317 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)we just understand different things. Done.
Marr
(20,317 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Marr
(20,317 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Marr
(20,317 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Marr
(20,317 posts)I've just been seeing how long it would go, out of idle curiosity.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)sheshe2
(83,319 posts)Thank you!
madrchsod
(58,162 posts)poisoning the great plains aquifer, creating environmental disasters of oil spills and deadly air pollution. he gives our land and our air to the international oil companies for pennies on the dollar. he's willing to give up the american workers and our sovereignty to countries that may or not be our enemies in the future.
sort`a hard to understand why he wants the pipeline air pollution , destruction of our aquifers , and the american worker to compete with low wage workers in the pacific rim.
oh well, in reality he isn`t as bad as those other guys.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)"got to hand it to will...he's right."
...and anyone who is not down with the part of the country that already hates this President, isn't hoping that the rest of the country also learns to hate him, dismissing him as "not your friend" and that he's "selling you out."
The quote in the OP is overwrought bullshit.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)The top few percent of Americans, by wealth, are doing fabulously. Incredibly. Better than ever.
The rest of us? Fucked. Just fucked.
The TPP is probably dead, but it's a full-throated assault on working Americans.
Keystone XL? Indefensible.
Big banks too big to take to court - and getting even bigger? Disaster.
Leaving two-thirds (or more) of the Bush tax cuts in place? Raging pusillanimity, at best.
Call it whatever you want... Neoliberalism, Third-Wayism, bullshit, or "sensible steps that we can all agree need to be taken"... it is what it is.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)"By their fruits...The top few percent of Americans, by wealth, are doing fabulously. Incredibly. Better than ever."
...because the President's policies haven't helped Americans throughout this economic crisis.
Update May 31, 2013 This page has been updated to reflect the fact that the EITC changes under ARRA, which were to expire at the end of 2012, were extended through December 2017 by the American Taxpayer Relief Act of 2012.
Update Oct. 31, 2011 This page has been updated to reflect the fact that the EITC changes under ARRA, which were to expire at the end of 2010, were extended through December 2012 by the Tax Relief and Job Creation Act of 2010.
The earned income tax credit is a refundable credit intended to help people who work but earn modest incomes. The American Recovery and Reinvestment Act provides a temporary increase in the EITC for taxpayers with three or more qualifying children. In 2013, the maximum EITC for this new category is $6,044. ARRA also increased the beginning point of the phaseout range for the credit for all married couples filing a joint return, regardless of the number of children.
In 2013, the credit begins to phase out at $22,870 for married taxpayers filing a joint return with children and completely phases out at $43,210 for one child, $48,378 for two children and $51,567 for three or more children. For married taxpayers filing a joint return with no children, the credit begins to phase out at $13,310 and completely phases out at $19,680.
These changes applied to 2009 and 2010 tax returns under ARRA, and were extended by the Tax Relief and Job Creation Act of 2010 to apply to 2011 and 2012 tax returns. The American Taxpayer Relief Act of 2012 extended these temporary ARRA increases for five years through December 2017.
http://www.irs.gov/uac/ARRA-and-the-Earned-Income-Tax-Credit
Krugman: Obama and the One Percent
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024391415
The heatlh care law also raised the payroll tax for high income earners and taxed investment income.
A new Net Investment Income Tax goes into effect starting in 2013. The 3.8 percent Net Investment Income Tax applies to individuals, estates and trusts that have certain investment income above certain threshold amounts. The IRS and the Treasury Department have issued proposed regulations on the Net Investment Income Tax. Comments may be submitted electronically, by mail or hand delivered to the IRS. For additional information on the Net Investment Income Tax, see our questions and answers.
Additional Medicare Tax
A new Additional Medicare Tax goes into effect starting in 2013. The 0.9 percent Additional Medicare Tax applies to an individuals wages, Railroad Retirement Tax Act compensation, and self-employment income that exceeds a threshold amount based on the individuals filing status. The threshold amounts are $250,000 for married taxpayers who file jointly, $125,000 for married taxpayers who file separately, and $200,000 for all other taxpayers. An employer is responsible for withholding the Additional Medicare Tax from wages or compensation it pays to an employee in excess of $200,000 in a calendar year. The IRS and the Department of the Treasury have issued proposed regulations on the Additional Medicare Tax. Comments may be submitted electronically, by mail or hand delivered to the IRS. For additional information on the Additional Medicare Tax, see our questions and answers.
http://www.irs.gov/uac/Affordable-Care-Act-Tax-Provisions
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024559777
Michelle Obama Expands Program That Gives All Students Free Meals
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024563502
Dental Services Are Coming Back For California's Low-Income Adults
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024538225
Medicaid Expansion Has Already Cut The Number Of Uninsured West Virginians By A Third
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024366112
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)while the rest of us are fucked.
We can spray gold-leaf paint on those turds and douse them in Chanel #5, but they're still turds.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)There really are people struggling.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Last year not as good. This year already looking better. But who knows.
I feel like I'm sitting right at the cusp between the two Americas. We have many friends and acquaintances who breathe the rarified air, and many who are toast. And it's very clear that that the gap between the two grows wider by the month.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)So you're not "fucked" like a lot of us.
gulliver
(13,142 posts)Here's a metaphor. If I do a few push-ups, would people think the Earth was moving up and down?
Watch it or I'll get up and spin around really fast.
Raffi Ella
(4,465 posts)But this is a nasty call out, nothing more and nothing less. I recced the Garth Brooks thread about supporting the President; I do support the President and think he gets way too much shit flung at him.
At the same time, The Left are the conscious of Our Party and I thank them for their truth every day and I don't appreciate seeing them called out like this, to be mocked and belittled and pointed at like this.
It's a Big Tent, there is room for both you and Will Pitt. Your OP is way over the top and should be locked.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)This is an article by a known author posted on the Internet, and subject to criticism.
I've seen callouts, and this isn't one.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)I agree total callout.
Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)He is also an international author and editor of one of the top 1000 liberal websites in America. As chief editor he is also a very public person.
He cannot legitimately hide behind his DU posting privileges at DU to remain free from criticism about what he writes.
The fact that you think so and half of a jury agreed with a hide based on that is ludicrous.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)My only gripe is why is there is whole other OP?
Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)So he can turn what he deems to be a clever phrase. It is what undisciplined writers do.
It's the same reason the Rude Pundit is on blogspot rather than in Vanity fair or Rolling Stone.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)It is what it is, and we will likely disagree on this one.
baldguy
(36,649 posts)Skip Intro
(19,768 posts)Reality is unimportant. Somebody speaks in a way that is less than praising of Obama, and the OP is there to call him/her out in some fashion or another, usually with what amounts to a twisty and transparent argument that only works if the reader pretends to be an idiot.
I haven't always agreed with Will, but I have sometimes. Doesn't matter. What you really have here is an attack, by someone who makes it his/her job here to spin away truth and reality, on a long-time, well-liked poster who calls it like he sees it.
Same bs game, only on a larger scale.
DU should reject this kind of crap.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)"Attack, ProSense! Attack those who don't praise Obama! Go! Go! Go!"
I guess you could look at it that way. I see it as criticizing overwrought statements.
Skip Intro
(19,768 posts)ProSense
(116,464 posts)Skip Intro
(19,768 posts)Not of trying to obscure the truth.
Your OP is Meta material.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)"Your OP is Meta material."
...there is actual "meta" on the Greatest page daily around here, and many of those complaining about a criticism of this commentary happily participate.
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)Actually all politicians are bullshit artists, and Obama, being a world class politician is by extension also a world class bullshit artist. But I defer to your expertise on bullshit.
Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)is he wrong? The author brings up perfectly legitimate points. Address the issues and quit whining.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)"So, where, exactly, is he wrong?"
...link to a quote of Obama talking about "the environment while pushing the Keystone pipeline"?
Still, do you think that or even the other point warrants this:
"I believe President Obama...is a Hall-of-Fame worthy bullshit artist. I believe the sooner people see this truth for what it is, the better. He is not your friend. He is selling you out."
The first part is overwrought BS. Is the second part hyperbole, or does the author really want everyone who doesn't hate the President already to wake up to the reality that they should?
Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)never to try to teach a pig to sing. It's a waste of time and it only frustrates the pig.
You have a good night. Y'hear?
ProSense
(116,464 posts)Nice cop out, though.
unreadierLizard
(475 posts)I suppose we're throwing WilliamPitt under the bus now too?
Sorry Will. you criticized the Dear Leader's environmental policy so now we all must hate you, so says ProSense.
Tx4obama
(36,974 posts)Last edited Fri Feb 28, 2014, 01:42 AM - Edit history (1)
Btw, why are YOU calling President Obama 'Dear Leader' ?
That is a term used by right-wing a$$holes on right-wing websites.
Skip Intro
(19,768 posts)sheshe2
(83,319 posts)You nailed it, TX.
A right-wing term that Skinner for one has a huge issue with. Saw it it ATA.
unreadierLizard
(475 posts)I was using it in the context of ProSense's "Always praise Obama or else you are a fascist" policy.
Cha
(295,899 posts)kinda nails them as one who suffers from ODS, imo. IOW, she.. they're not fooling anyone.
sheshe2
(83,319 posts)Cha
(295,899 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)failed 0-6.
How dare you say a discouraging word?
SolutionisSolidarity
(606 posts)I don't see how someone who accepts climate change to be true can support harvesting tar sands. I also don't see how someone who claims to want to regulate business to protect the environment, workers, and the public can turn around a push a trade agreement that would subvert the government's ability to regulate. And I really don't understand how someone committed to transparency can do this without even consulting the people to see if they support such an agreement. Obama could turn around tomorrow and say no to Keystone and the TPP, but I wouldn't hold my breath.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)....but does opposing policy warrant this:
"I believe President Obama...is a Hall-of-Fame worthy bullshit artist. I believe the sooner people see this truth for what it is, the better. He is not your friend. He is selling you out."
The first part is overwrought BS. Is the second part hyperbole, or does the author really want everyone who doesn't hate the President already to wake up to the reality that they should?
As for the OP point and yours, one can be against fracking and still have to face the realities of the day. The Obama administration has ramped up solar (http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024547836) and other clean energy sources. Environmentalists hate the all-of-the-above approach, and rightfully so. Still, there is going to be a transition. The administation is in a position to try to regulate a problem controlled by states with laws that vary widely from Texas (http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024569123#post26) to Vermont, which banned fracking. Still, there is the reality.
The business of a natural gas pipeline in Vermont
http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/article/20130908/NEWS01/309080017/Rutland-or-bust
Vermont pipeline expansion reignites fracking debate
http://america.aljazeera.com/watch/shows/the-stream/the-stream-officialblog/2013/10/4/vermont-pipelineexpansionreignitesfrackingdebate.html
Propane production up, but U.S. shortage looms
But this winter's weird weather, and a bumper crop of Midwestern corn that required four times more propane for drying, has triggered an unprecedented domestic shortage of the fuel, a byproduct of natural gas production and crude oil refining.
<...>
Elected officials in propane-dependent states are demanding relief. On Feb. 14, the congressional delegation from Vermont, where 15 percent of households heat with propane, called on the U.S. Commerce Department to impose a temporary export ban.
"The problem is that almost all new propane production over the past three years has been exported to more lucrative overseas markets instead of being used to meet consumer demand right here in the United States," said the letter from Sens. Bernie Sanders and Patrick Leahy and Rep. Peter Welch.
- more -
http://articles.philly.com/2014-02-24/business/47607065_1_much-propane-national-propane-gas-association-marcellus-shale
Emergency Proposal on Propane Prices
http://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/recent-business/emergency-proposal-on-propane-prices
Why hasn't the Boxer-Sanders climate bill gotten more attention?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024509463
Coyotl
(15,262 posts)Who is the bullshit artist around here? The President of the United States or the guy who thinks fracking causes droughts? Really an easy question to answer.
Good news, we still have IGNORE!
Lars39
(26,093 posts)Whisp
(24,096 posts)with a dangling participle derp.
you know how those journo types can be.
Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)Yes, it's all funny, isn't it?
Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)drought[ drout ]
noun
1. a period of dry weather, especially a long one that is injurious to crops.
2. an extended shortage: a drought of good writing.
According to the report, Hydraulic Fracturing and Water Stress: Water Demand by the Numbers (pdf), produced by the non-profit Ceres investor network, much of the oil and gas fracking activity in both the U.S. and Canada is happening in "arid, water stressed regions, creating significant long-term water sourcing risks" that will strongly and negatively impact the local ecosystem, communities, and people living nearby.
Hydraulic fracturing is increasing competitive pressures for water in some of the countrys most water-stressed and drought-ridden regions, said Ceres President Mindy Lubber, in announcing Hydraulic Fracturing and Water Stress: Water Demand by the Numbers. Barring stiffer water-use regulations and improved on-the-ground practices, the industrys water needs in many regions are on a collision course with other water users, especially agriculture and municipal water use."
Richard Heinberg, senior fellow of the California-based Post Carbon Institute and author of a recent book on the "false promise" of the fracking industry, says the irony of the study's findings "would be delicious if it weren't so terrifying."
"Nationally," according to Heinberg, "only about 50 percent of fracking wastewater is recycled. Billions of gallons of freshwater are still taken from rivers, streams, and wells annually for this purpose, andafter being irremediably pollutedthis water usually ends up being injected into deep disposal wells. That means it is no longer available to the hydrological cycle that sustains all terrestrial life."
Click here to look at Ceres' interactive map on fracking and water use.
The study drew on industry data detailing water usage from from 39,294 oil and gas wells from January 2011 through May 2013 and compared that information with "water stress indicator maps" developed by the World Resources Institute (WRI).
What it found:
Over 55 percent of the wells hydraulically fractured were in areas experiencing drought and 36 percent overlay regions with significant groundwater depletion key among those, California which is in the midst of a historic drought and Texas, which has the highest concentration of shale energy development and hydraulic fracturing activity in the U.S.
Yes, what he wrote, while it could be clearer, is factually and semantically correct.
Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)If he thought it would get him onto Democracy Now.
But I did appreciate your usage example for drought.
Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)You make something up about him and his character.
Not very persuasive on your part.
cali
(114,904 posts)sliming Cole out of desperation is not a healthy sign. it's pretty vile, pretz..
Union Scribe
(7,099 posts)Too bad that instead of using it you lost your shit and made a number of personal attacks that got hidden.
truebrit71
(20,805 posts)...out of your mind....Do some independent reading on fracking before you say something else that is complete bass ackwards...
PS wasn't your post in the related thread hidden? Trying for another one here?
MisterP
(23,730 posts)Whisp
(24,096 posts)Last edited Fri Feb 28, 2014, 01:00 PM - Edit history (1)
https://pressfreedomfoundation.org/about/staffPoitras and GG are on the board of directors. (edited with correct link)
hall of fame bullshit artist....
I think we know why I laugh. but I will give you 24 business hours to figure it out, which I know you don't need.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)"Hall-of-Fame worthy bullshit artist."
http://www.salon.com/2012/07/27/most_likely_to_attack_iran/
freshwest
(53,661 posts)SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
Whisp
(24,096 posts)Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)For investigative journalism organizations!!
https://pressfreedomfoundation.org/about
Freedom of the Press Foundation is built on the recognition that this kind of transparency journalism from publishing the Pentagon Papers and exposing Watergate, to uncovering the NSAs warrantless wiretapping program and CIA secret prisons doesnt just happen. It requires dogged work by journalists, and often, the courage of whistleblowers and others who work to ensure that the public actually learns what it has a right to know.
Crowd-Funding
In a changing economic and technological age, media organizations are increasingly susceptible to corporate or government pressure. This can lead to watered-down or compromised coverage, or worse: censorship.
Increasingly, non-profit media and transparency organizations are emerging as a critical component of the journalism landscape. Leveraging the power of the Internet, these organizations are helping to reinvent and reimagine independent watchdog reporting.
Right now, too many of those organizations are struggling for funding, relying on a few large foundations or competing for donors. Our goal is to broaden the financial base of these types of institutionsboth start-ups and established non-profit organizations by crowd-sourcing funding and making it easy for people to support the best journalism from an array of organizations all in one place.
Using the same networked, collaborative approach, the Freedom of the Press Foundation will also provide support for organizations and individuals that have been unjustly censored or cut off from funding for doing their job as journalists. Given the variety of corporate and government pressures on journalism outlets around the world, the need has never been greater.
How It Works:
The process is simple. On our website, you can donate to as many as four journalism and transparency organizations at once. Well feature a bundle of four organizations and provide a bit of background on each. Every two months we will release a new bundle of deserving organizations or individuals. Once you enter the total amount you wish to donate, you can use the sliders to determine the percentage you want each entity to get.
You can also donate directly to the Freedom of the Press Foundation to help further our mission. Twice a year, we will distribute a grant to projects our Board of Directors has vetted and selected.
Freedom of the Press Foundation takes 7% from each donation, which goes to our 501(c)3 fiscal sponsor to ensure your donation can be tax-deductible in the United States.
Criteria for choosing organizations:
Record of engaging in transparency journalism or supporting it in a material way, including support for whistleblowers.
Public interest agenda.
Organizations or individuals under attack for engaging in transparency journalism.
Need for support. The foundations goal is to prioritize support for organizations and individuals who are in need of funding or who face obstacles to gaining support on their own.
Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)Last edited Fri Feb 28, 2014, 04:29 AM - Edit history (2)
http://www.truth-out.org/about-usBoard of Directors
President: Robert Naiman
Members: Henry A. Giroux, Lewis Gordon, Victoria Harper, Maya Schenwar
Board of Advisers
Valerie Anderson, Dean Baker, Beverly Bell, Scott Blau, Cynthia Boaz, Alan Breslauer, Rinaldo Brutoco, Maxon Buscher, Marjorie Cohn, Henry Crapo, Jodie Evans, Jaclyn Friedman, George Lakoff, Bryan Lockwood, Anne Elizabeth Moore, Richard Power, Robert Reich, Roberto Rodriguez, Mark Ruffalo, Graham and Mariesa Ryan, T.M. Scruggs, Mikey Weinstein and Richard D. Wolff.
Freedom of the Press Foundation is a 501(c)3 non-profit organization dedicated to helping support and defend public-interest journalism focused on exposing mismanagement, corruption, and law-breaking in government. We accept tax-deductible donations to a variety of journalism organizations that push for transparency and accountability, and we work to preserve and strengthen the rights guaranteed to the press under the First Amendment.
Freedom of the Press Foundation is built on the recognition that this kind of transparency journalism from publishing the Pentagon Papers and exposing Watergate, to uncovering the NSAs warrantless wiretapping program and CIA secret prisons doesnt just happen. It requires dogged work by journalists, and often, the courage of whistleblowers and others who work to ensure that the public actually learns what it has a right to know.
Crowd-Funding
In a changing economic and technological age, media organizations are increasingly susceptible to corporate or government pressure. This can lead to watered-down or compromised coverage, or worse: censorship.
Increasingly, non-profit media and transparency organizations are emerging as a critical component of the journalism landscape. Leveraging the power of the Internet, these organizations are helping to reinvent and reimagine independent watchdog reporting.
Right now, too many of those organizations are struggling for funding, relying on a few large foundations or competing for donors. Our goal is to broaden the financial base of these types of institutionsboth start-ups and established non-profit organizations by crowd-sourcing funding and making it easy for people to support the best journalism from an array of organizations all in one place.
Using the same networked, collaborative approach, the Freedom of the Press Foundation will also provide support for organizations and individuals that have been unjustly censored or cut off from funding for doing their job as journalists. Given the variety of corporate and government pressures on journalism outlets around the world, the need has never been greater.
How It Works:
The process is simple. On our website, you can donate to as many as four journalism and transparency organizations at once. Well feature a bundle of four organizations and provide a bit of background on each. Every two months we will release a new bundle of deserving organizations or individuals. Once you enter the total amount you wish to donate, you can use the sliders to determine the percentage you want each entity to get.
You can also donate directly to the Freedom of the Press Foundation to help further our mission. Twice a year, we will distribute a grant to projects our Board of Directors has vetted and selected.
Freedom of the Press Foundation takes 7% from each donation, which goes to our 501(c)3 fiscal sponsor to ensure your donation can be tax-deductible in the United States.
Criteria for choosing organizations:
Record of engaging in transparency journalism or supporting it in a material way, including support for whistleblowers.
Public interest agenda.
Organizations or individuals under attack for engaging in transparency journalism.
Need for support. The foundations goal is to prioritize support for organizations and individuals who are in need of funding or who face obstacles to gaining support on their own.
Asking for donations from the public for (typically underfunded) investigative journalism organizations.
Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)msanthrope
(37,549 posts)will detail his contacts with Mr Greenwald.
Whisp
(24,096 posts)for Freedom of the Press Foundation had recently had members listed.
GG and Poitras and Scahill (?) Ellsberg - those are the names I recall.
That page no longer exists, it seems. It was about 2 weeks ago or so when I checked last.
Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)Poitras and Greenwald helped create the Freedom of the Press Foundation. Which does very good work.
Some people have problems with freedom of the press, I guess.
@DanielEllsberg
Daniel Ellsberg
Daniel Ellsberg is a co-founder of the Freedom of the Press Foundation. He is best known as the whistleblower who gave the Pentagon Papers to the New York Times in 1971. Ellsberg is also the author of three books: Papers on the War (1971), Secrets: A Memoir of Vietnam and the Pentagon Papers (2002), and Risk, Ambiguity and Decision (2001). In December 2006, he won the Right Livelihood Award, known as the Alternative Nobel Prize, in Stockholm, Sweden, for putting peace and truth first, at considerable personal risk, and dedicating his life to inspiring others to follow his example.
@ggreenwald
Glenn Greenwald
Glenn Greenwald is a lawyer, journalist, blogger, and author. He worked as a constitutional and civil rights litigator before becoming a contributor to Salon, and now writes for The Guardian about civil liberties issues. He is the author of three New York Times bestselling books, including his latest, With Liberty and Justice for Some. Greenwald was named by The Atlantic as one of the 25 most influential political commentators in the nation. He was the recipient of the first annual I.F. Stone Award for Independent Journalism, and won the 2010 Online Journalism Association Award for his investigative work on the arrest and oppressive detention of Bradley Manning. Along with Laura Poitras, he received the 2013 EFF Pioneer Award for chronicling NSA spying.
@johncusack
John Cusack
John Cusack is an actor, director, producer, and screenwriter who has appeared in over 60 films. He's also a political activist and regularly speaks out and writes on issues of human rights, government transparency, and accountabilityamongst other things.
@JPBarlow
John Perry Barlow
John Perry Barlow is co-founder of the Freedom of the Press Foundation. He is also a retired Wyoming rancher (and native), a former lyricist for the Grateful Dead, and the co-founder and board member of the Electronic Frontier Foundation, a civil liberties organization which has been protecting the free flow of information on the Internet since 1990. He was a founding Fellow at Harvard Law School's Berkman Center for Internet and Society. He has been writing about Cyberspace since 1988 and was first to apply that name to the global social space it presently describes. Barlow's piece on the future of copyright, The Economy of Ideas, is taught in many law schools, and his Declaration of the Independence of Cyberspace is posted on thousands of websites. Recently, The Guardian named him one of the twenty most influential champions of the Open Internet. He is presently engaged in starting a company, Algae Systems, that aspires to turn sewage into carbon negative jet fuel. He is the father of three daughters and his primary aspiration is to be a good ancestor. He dreams of a world where all general useful knowledge can be available to anyone, of any station, merely for the price of curiosity.
@jcstearns
Josh Stearns
Josh Stearns is a journalist and organizer working for press freedom and the future of news through media and tech policy. As the Journalism and Public Media Campaign Director at Free Press, Stearns runs national advocacy campaigns to amplify the voice of local people in the policy debates that shape our media. Since 2011 he has been tracking journalist arrests and press suppression across the US, an effort the earned him Storify of the Year and the Lew Hill Media Ally Award for his use of cutting-edge technology and First Amendment advocacy. His articles have appeared in Mother Jones, Orion Magazine, Yes Magazine and the Columbia Journalism Review.
Laura Poitras
Laura Poitras is a documentary filmmaker. Her 2003 film Flag Wars won a Peabody Award. Her 2006 film My Country, My Country was nominated for an Academy Award. Her 2010 film The Oath was nominated for an Emmy Award for outstanding investigative journalism. She is currently working on a documentary about state surveillance, WikiLeaks, Internet freedom, and whistleblowers. She is the recipient of a 2012 MacArthur Fellowship. Her work was included in the 2012 Whitney Biennial. Along with Glenn Greenwald, she received the 2013 EFF Pioneer Award for chronicling NSA spying.
She has been detained and interrogated about her work at the U.S. border over 40 times.
@micahflee
Micah Lee
Micah Lee is the chief technology officer and a board member of Freedom of the Press Foundation, and the author of Encryption Works. An avid GNU/Linux user, he has been writing code in a variety of languages for a variety of platforms for over a decade. He takes a keen interest in computer security, cryptography, privacy, Free Software, and Internet freedoms. He recently left his job as a technologist at the Electronic Frontier Foundation to join Glenn Greenwald, Laura Poitras, and others at First Look Media.
@RaineyReitman
Rainey Reitman
Rainey Reitman is a co-founder and chief operating officer of Freedom of the Press Foundation. She's also a founder and steering committee member for the Bradley Manning Support Network, a network of individuals and organizations advocating for the release of accused WikiLeaks whistleblower Pfc. Bradley Manning. She serves on the board of the directors for the Bill of Rights Defense Committee, a nonprofit whose mission is to organize and support an effective, national grassroots movement to restore civil liberties, and on the steering committee for the Internet Defense League, which organizes Internet users to combat imminent threats to online rights. Reitman is also Activism Director at the Electronic Frontier Foundation.
@TrevorTimm
Trevor Timm
Trevor Timm is a co-founder and the executive director of the Freedom of the Press Foundation. He is a writer, activist, and lawyer who specializes in free speech and government transparency issues. His work has appeared in The Atlantic, Al Jazeera, Foreign Policy, The Guardian, Harvard Law and Policy Review, Politico, PBS MediaShift and Salon.
Trevor formerly worked as an activist at the Electronic Frontier Foundation. Before that, he helped the longtime General Counsel of The New York Times, James Goodale, write a book on the Pentagon Papers and the First Amendment.
In 2013, he received the Hugh Hefner First Amendment Award for journalism.
@xeni
Xeni Jardin
Xeni Jardin is a founding partner and co-editor of award winning blog Boing Boing. Executive Producer and host of Webby-honored "Boing Boing Video," online and in-flight on Virgin America. Has contributed to such diverse venues as NPR, Wired, New York Times, Los Angeles Times, The Guardian, and a frequently-sought tech expert in broadcast news.
http://www.truth-out.org/about-us
President: Robert Naiman
Members: Henry A. Giroux, Lewis Gordon, Victoria Harper, Maya Schenwar
Board of Advisers
Valerie Anderson, Dean Baker, Beverly Bell, Scott Blau, Cynthia Boaz, Alan Breslauer, Rinaldo Brutoco, Maxon Buscher, Marjorie Cohn, Henry Crapo, Jodie Evans, Jaclyn Friedman, George Lakoff, Bryan Lockwood, Anne Elizabeth Moore, Richard Power, Robert Reich, Roberto Rodriguez, Mark Ruffalo, Graham and Mariesa Ryan, T.M. Scruggs, Mikey Weinstein and Richard D. Wolff.
Truth-out is "bundled" with other organizations by the Freedom of the Press Foundation to receive donations, occasionally, crowd-funded by the public.
Freedom of the Press Foundation is a 501(c)3 non-profit organization dedicated to helping support and defend public-interest journalism focused on exposing mismanagement, corruption, and law-breaking in government. We accept tax-deductible donations to a variety of journalism organizations that push for transparency and accountability, and we work to preserve and strengthen the rights guaranteed to the press under the First Amendment.
Freedom of the Press Foundation is built on the recognition that this kind of transparency journalism from publishing the Pentagon Papers and exposing Watergate, to uncovering the NSAs warrantless wiretapping program and CIA secret prisons doesnt just happen. It requires dogged work by journalists, and often, the courage of whistleblowers and others who work to ensure that the public actually learns what it has a right to know.
Crowd-Funding
In a changing economic and technological age, media organizations are increasingly susceptible to corporate or government pressure. This can lead to watered-down or compromised coverage, or worse: censorship.
Increasingly, non-profit media and transparency organizations are emerging as a critical component of the journalism landscape. Leveraging the power of the Internet, these organizations are helping to reinvent and reimagine independent watchdog reporting.
Right now, too many of those organizations are struggling for funding, relying on a few large foundations or competing for donors. Our goal is to broaden the financial base of these types of institutionsboth start-ups and established non-profit organizations by crowd-sourcing funding and making it easy for people to support the best journalism from an array of organizations all in one place.
Using the same networked, collaborative approach, the Freedom of the Press Foundation will also provide support for organizations and individuals that have been unjustly censored or cut off from funding for doing their job as journalists. Given the variety of corporate and government pressures on journalism outlets around the world, the need has never been greater.
How It Works:
The process is simple. On our website, you can donate to as many as four journalism and transparency organizations at once. Well feature a bundle of four organizations and provide a bit of background on each. Every two months we will release a new bundle of deserving organizations or individuals. Once you enter the total amount you wish to donate, you can use the sliders to determine the percentage you want each entity to get.
You can also donate directly to the Freedom of the Press Foundation to help further our mission. Twice a year, we will distribute a grant to projects our Board of Directors has vetted and selected.
Freedom of the Press Foundation takes 7% from each donation, which goes to our 501(c)3 fiscal sponsor to ensure your donation can be tax-deductible in the United States.
Criteria for choosing organizations:
- Record of engaging in transparency journalism or supporting it in a material way, including support for whistleblowers.
- Public interest agenda.
- Organizations or individuals under attack for engaging in transparency journalism.
- Need for support. The foundations goal is to prioritize support for organizations and individuals who are in need of funding or who face obstacles to gaining support on their own.
Asking for donations for investigative journalism organizations from the PUBLIC. Terrible, terrible stuff.
Some great people in these lists. Amazing who gets attacked with attempted slander.
Whisp
(24,096 posts)Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)President: Robert Naiman
Members: Henry A. Giroux, Lewis Gordon, Victoria Harper, Maya Schenwar
Board of Advisers
Valerie Anderson, Dean Baker, Beverly Bell, Scott Blau, Cynthia Boaz, Alan Breslauer, Rinaldo Brutoco, Maxon Buscher, Marjorie Cohn, Henry Crapo, Jodie Evans, Jaclyn Friedman, George Lakoff, Bryan Lockwood, Anne Elizabeth Moore, Richard Power, Robert Reich, Roberto Rodriguez, Mark Ruffalo, Graham and Mariesa Ryan, T.M. Scruggs, Mikey Weinstein and Richard D. Wolff.
Truth-out is "bundled" with other organizations by the Freedom of the Press Foundation to receive donations, occasionally, crowd-funded by the public. Greenwald and Poitras are on THAT board of directors.
Freedom of the Press Foundation is a 501(c)3 non-profit organization dedicated to helping support and defend public-interest journalism focused on exposing mismanagement, corruption, and law-breaking in government. We accept tax-deductible donations to a variety of journalism organizations that push for transparency and accountability, and we work to preserve and strengthen the rights guaranteed to the press under the First Amendment.
Freedom of the Press Foundation is built on the recognition that this kind of transparency journalism from publishing the Pentagon Papers and exposing Watergate, to uncovering the NSAs warrantless wiretapping program and CIA secret prisons doesnt just happen. It requires dogged work by journalists, and often, the courage of whistleblowers and others who work to ensure that the public actually learns what it has a right to know.
Crowd-Funding
In a changing economic and technological age, media organizations are increasingly susceptible to corporate or government pressure. This can lead to watered-down or compromised coverage, or worse: censorship.
Increasingly, non-profit media and transparency organizations are emerging as a critical component of the journalism landscape. Leveraging the power of the Internet, these organizations are helping to reinvent and reimagine independent watchdog reporting.
Right now, too many of those organizations are struggling for funding, relying on a few large foundations or competing for donors. Our goal is to broaden the financial base of these types of institutionsboth start-ups and established non-profit organizations by crowd-sourcing funding and making it easy for people to support the best journalism from an array of organizations all in one place.
Using the same networked, collaborative approach, the Freedom of the Press Foundation will also provide support for organizations and individuals that have been unjustly censored or cut off from funding for doing their job as journalists. Given the variety of corporate and government pressures on journalism outlets around the world, the need has never been greater.
How It Works:
The process is simple. On our website, you can donate to as many as four journalism and transparency organizations at once. Well feature a bundle of four organizations and provide a bit of background on each. Every two months we will release a new bundle of deserving organizations or individuals. Once you enter the total amount you wish to donate, you can use the sliders to determine the percentage you want each entity to get.
You can also donate directly to the Freedom of the Press Foundation to help further our mission. Twice a year, we will distribute a grant to projects our Board of Directors has vetted and selected.
Freedom of the Press Foundation takes 7% from each donation, which goes to our 501(c)3 fiscal sponsor to ensure your donation can be tax-deductible in the United States.
Criteria for choosing organizations:
Record of engaging in transparency journalism or supporting it in a material way, including support for whistleblowers.
Public interest agenda.
Organizations or individuals under attack for engaging in transparency journalism.
Need for support. The foundations goal is to prioritize support for organizations and individuals who are in need of funding or who face obstacles to gaining support on their own.
Asking for donations for investigative journalism organizations from the PUBLIC. That seems to be the only connection.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)WillyT
(72,631 posts)The car is certified, great, and affordable...
Then you drive it off the lot...
Then things start to go wrong...
Then they don't recall selling you the car.
It's kinda like that.
I bought what he was selling... twice.
Whisp
(24,096 posts)not right now.
click click props click Obama does props and sucks my soul out click $$ to read more About it $$ click.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)Tx4obama
(36,974 posts)Here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024576897
That is where the original author of the subject line of the OP up above is.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)Which is exactly what Will Pitt is doing.
Tx4obama
(36,974 posts)... on a Democratic website.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)WillyT
(72,631 posts)It's amazing that supposedly sophisticated people who follow politics, don't get this basic premise.
Tx4obama
(36,974 posts)... president names on a democratic website.
Policy can be criticized and discussed without being vulgar and inappropriate about it.
Whisp
(24,096 posts)I refuse to go to truthout because of that.
Set a match to a fuse then provide a link for clickety $$$. And over time the fuse and match have to become hotter and hotter to attract the fewer and dwindling readership so you get disgusting bullshit bait barrel bottoming.
grotesque.
Tx4obama
(36,974 posts)... I don't know much about Truth-Out.org, but it sure shouldn't have been posted here on DU.
And I surely will NOT ever click on a Truth-Out link in the future.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)And speaking for myself... I know how the racist assholes have blocked his path...
But I hate the fact that he tried to play ball with these assholes...
ACA... put Max Baucus in charge...
Prescription Drugs... Put Billy Tauzin in charge...
Public Option... the Hospitals wouldn't approve...
I guess wish he had become the angry black man.
I know I'm angry.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)For Hope And Change
And speaking for myself... I know how the racist assholes have blocked his path...
But I hate the fact that he tried to play ball with these assholes...
ACA... put Max Baucus in charge...
Prescription Drugs... Put Billy Tauzin in charge...
Public Option... the Hospitals wouldn't approve...
I guess wish he had become the angry black man.
I know I'm angry.
...this is nonsense, and WTF is with the "angry black man" crap? That comment is indicative of people stuck in 2010, as is the rest of the comment.
I mean, the health care law has been implemented, and it's helping millions.
Dental Services Are Coming Back For California's Low-Income Adults
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024538225
Medicaid Expansion Has Already Cut The Number Of Uninsured West Virginians By A Third
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024366112
The health care law strengthened Medicaid's drug policy, which is one of the best.
Obamacare fully funded and helped put Vermont on the path to single payer.
Your comment about things debated in 2010 ignores all of that. It has gotten so bad for those who refuse to give the President credit for anything that they're resorting to hyping RW distortions.
Big PhRMA opposes the new CMS rule.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024553152
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)baldguy
(36,649 posts)This is the same type of rhetoric that the Tea Party uses when talking about our Democratic President.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)"In a democracy, it is the peoples' responsibility to hold public servants accountable. Which is exactly what Will Pitt is doing."
...name calling has nothing to do with holding "public servants accountable."
See: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024527249
It's just name calling. Also, maybe you can answer this: Does opposing policy warrant this:
"I believe President Obama...is a Hall-of-Fame worthy bullshit artist. I believe the sooner people see this truth for what it is, the better. He is not your friend. He is selling you out."
The first part is overwrought BS. Is the second part hyperbole, or does the author really want everyone who doesn't hate the President already to wake up to the reality that they should?
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)And, it should be pointed out as clearly as possible.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)It's still just name calling.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)ProSense
(116,464 posts)Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)ProSense
(116,464 posts)Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)Which seems to be the point of your OP.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)Ah, so that's the problem. You didn't understand the "point" of the OP.
Oh well.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)You posted it. So, do tell, what is the point of your OP unless to insult another DUer?
Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)Website traffic.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)Further, what is "barely intelligible" about "Bullshit Artist"? If you can't figure that out try looking up "liar".
Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)With. Substance.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)Do you disagree with the substance of Will's article? Of course, if it's unintelligible to you, you won't be able to see the substance.
Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)With a vague thesis of "because Obama". Pitt has become everything we disregard about right wing media.
Bearing in mind his biggest claim to fame is transcribing a conversation with the man of the moment, Scott Ritter.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)He's just a delicate flower standing on the sidelines as an observer?
Is Obama not promoting the TPP? Fracking? The XL Pipeline?
I think Will pointed out the obvious to anyone who pays attention.
Whisp
(24,096 posts)GG and Subject should work well together. They both have an inability for subjective writing - almost everything they say is a huge arrow pointing at themselves - look at ME. ME. And the only way they can achieve that is by abrasion and hostility toward the target of the day/week/month - which coincidentally and consistently is the Obama administration.
Whisp
(24,096 posts)sorry, I just can't say that enough times. It just kills me with laughter and joy that there is still fun in this world.
Hall-of-Fame
bulllll shit
... *cough
artist.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)The fact that the posters attacking other posters for not agreeing with 100% of what that article says are the same posters attacking other posters for agreeing with 100% of what Obama says.
Did I say that right?
Whisp
(24,096 posts)That what you saying?
Aerows
(39,961 posts)is people being attacked for their sexuality, personally, and an all out assault against someone because they disagree with an Obama policy.
I don't own that, I just got bashed because of it.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)Sorry.
See how easy it is?
ProSense
(116,464 posts)Common Sense Party
(14,139 posts)After all, he's just a man.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)When you aim the homophobic arsenal at people because they are critical about ONE policy, you don't have an honest agenda.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)You hate on yourself. Criticism is necessary. Being above criticism is the road to ugliness.
"And when you hate on the very people that are in your court You hate on yourself."
Did you say that with a straight face? Seriously?
Aerows
(39,961 posts)ProSense
(116,464 posts)Thanks for the laugh.
1awake
(1,494 posts)Thanks for the reminder.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)1awake
(1,494 posts)Common Sense Party
(14,139 posts)Both are equally entertaining.
But if you love him
You'll forgive him
Even though he's hard to understand
And if you love him
Oh, be proud of him
Cause after all he's just a man
ProSense
(116,464 posts)Common Sense Party
(14,139 posts)It's a good show. Might need a plot twist or two to keep it fresh, but it's still pretty humorous.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)Was the clip you posted to show you're above it all?
Common Sense Party
(14,139 posts)Yet being willfully obtuse is apparently the popular deflection strategy around here these days.
Keep up the good work!
Your ratings are slipping, but you're still critically acclaimed.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)you said: "I'm not a hater. Nor am I an obsequious hero worshiper. Both are equally entertaining."
Common Sense Party
(14,139 posts)Please, you go ahead. You finish it up.
(Hey! You're on to something with these laughy smiley things! This can be a fun substitute for actual dialogue.)
ProSense
(116,464 posts)and 176
Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)Last edited Sun Mar 2, 2014, 06:05 AM - Edit history (1)
ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)but not hall-of-fame-worthy
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)This doesn't belong here, and no I don't really think that much of his OP either. But you both go ahead and flame away juries decided to keep both OP's, and neither really violate the SOP.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)"This doesn't belong here, and no I don't really think that much of his OP either."
...you kicked and rec'd the other OP.
LOL!
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)And hey I just did it again.
He's got good points about global warming, and his wasn't just a hit piece like your's is (IMO).
lostincalifornia
(3,639 posts)global warming, and other environmental issues. The sum of the parts is equal to the whole.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)I actually think it's OK to disagree with Obama's policies. Disagree with some of his policies such as drone strikes? Trade? NSA?
That's fine.
I disagree with Obama on several policies as well. Policy disagreements will occur within a party. That's why vibrant debate is needed IMO.
But to use such nasty, personal language worthy of the right wing is something else entirely. It has gone beyond policy disagreements at that point. This is going into Tea Party land.
At that point one has to really question the motivations of certain self-proclaimed supporters of the Democratic Party.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)this is not a comment on a blog. It's an article that will become visible via a number of sites.
I still can't get anyone to answer if they think that opposing policy warrants this:
"I believe President Obama...is a Hall-of-Fame worthy bullshit artist. I believe the sooner people see this truth for what it is, the better. He is not your friend. He is selling you out."
The first part is overwrought BS. Is the second part hyperbole, or does the author really want everyone who doesn't hate the President already to wake up to the reality that they should?
I mean, think about what it's based on, loose facts. When has Obama ever talked about "the environment while pushing the Keystone pipeline"?
Obama is "selling you out" and should be treated as the enemy because someone makes up stuff.
LOL!
Old and In the Way
(37,540 posts)But, I would presume that Pitt (much like other very activist writers - like Greenwald) always like to play offense against the system, regardless of what Party is in the Executive Branch. Will was on fire when Bush was in office, but I think he's trying to maintain his credibility with his core audience. Defending Obama as 1/2 full is not nearly as cool as blistering him for being 1/2 empty. Personally, I don't know what more Obama can do, given the political reality in Congress. I truly wish Obama had supermajorities of Warren/Sanders progressives in the House and Senate - I suspect we'd be pretty impressed with the accomplishments that would have happened by now.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)winter is coming
(11,785 posts)in giving Will Pitt's editorial far more visibility on DU than it would have had otherwise. Well played.
OilemFirchen
(7,143 posts)to highlight graduates of the Leonard Pinth Garnell School of Journalism.
No sacrifice is too great!
Sognefjord
(229 posts)I could never have imagined that defending every aspect of Obama's policies could be a career. (111,000 posts +)!!
Union Scribe
(7,099 posts)ProSense
(116,464 posts)You could post any anti-Obama drivel here and it would gather the same bandwagon jumpers.
Obama deserves to be dumped!
Logical
(22,457 posts)The only reason is usually because it is critical of Obama!
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)Happens a lot here. Love WP but that's really taking "feet to the fire" too far.
Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)His five point plan for Internet fame and fortune.
Attack the biggest target if you want to get noticed.
Union Scribe
(7,099 posts)for trying to get attention? Really?...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4568247
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024562323
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024569959
That was just this week and only what I noticed.
Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)By character assassinating the most powerful person in the world.
Autumn
(44,743 posts)Thanks in advance.
Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)Ex Lurker
(3,808 posts)that's just the way our system is set up. Or what it's morphed into.
Junkdrawer
(27,993 posts)Are they going to do it pay-for-view and sell tickets or what?
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)It is pitiful. No matter what pov is represented, Meta call out threads make DU suck, which is why the admins got rid of Meta and why GD SOP says 'no whining about DU'. GD is now Meta plus Religious Promotions. And it makes DU suck.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)"Admins axed Meta for a good reason, but BOG neeeeeds Meta as a reason to exist."
Spare me. This has nothing to do with "meta," but the people trying to claim it does certainly do their share of participatining in threads calling out others. Yeah, tell me about "malcontents."
The fact that you're using "BOG" to try to claim the high road while mischaracterizing the OP is laughable.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)for a tiny bit of an article you probably largely agree with. Meta was closed and GD is supposed to be free of DU whining and religion, but that's all it is lately, which makes it a worthless tool for the upcoming elections as well as just making it generally suck. I never claimed to take any fucking 'hi road' those are words you put in my mouth because you feel you have the right to do that. But you don't. I advocate the SOP of GD. Sorry if that chaps your hide and makes claim I said things I did not say. I did say threads like you and your cohort specialize in make DU suck, they also make Obama into a device of your own dubious agenda, which also sucks.
This thread sucks, no fear of any 'high road' in GD of late, just coming here is a step into a gutter of bad faith and paranoia. Makes DU suck.
Enforce the SOP.
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ProSense
(116,464 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)make it all about how those mean old lefties are piking on poor old President Obama.
Fiddling while Rome burns.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)The author of that piece determined that to generate eyeballs, their primary goal, they needed to include an over the top, attack on the President ... one that his detractors would love, and his supporters would hate.
By doing so, the author himself guaranteed that the issues he put forward in the article would get LESS attention than his attack on the President.
But that gets him eyeballs.
This isn't a new tactic. Eyeballs get you paid no matter how you get them.
Whisp
(24,096 posts)and insisted Rove was going to the clink and argued with rage when people started to doubt and question.
Now THAT was Hall of Shame worthy bullshit artistry. Plaque worthy stuff.
Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)Whisp
(24,096 posts)of his inability to handle the occasion with any teeny tiny sized grain of humility.
Union Scribe
(7,099 posts)whenever you think of new insults to lob at Pitt. Meanwhile you just draw more eyes to his article, and more recs. 199 now.
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)You seem to be more concerned about what DU'ers are up to than anything else.
brooklynite
(93,834 posts)...much less the thread itself.
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)truebrit71
(20,805 posts)...and totally accurate...What's to be upset about?
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)ProSense
(116,464 posts)3 - 215: "DU says no thanks to..."
Dental Services Are Coming Back For California's Low-Income Adults
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024538225
1 - 215: "DU says no thanks to..."
Federal Government Expands Access To Healthy Food For Low-Income Moms And Babies
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024579246
62 -215: "DU says no thanks to..."
Michelle Obama Expands Program That Gives All Students Free Meals
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024563502
9 - 215: "DU says no thanks to..."
CFPB Sues ITT Tech For Allegedly Exploiting Students, Pushing Predatory Loans
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024570346
I can live with the things "DU says no thanks to."
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)Basically a glorified popularity contest.
Which is teh awesome if you're running for class president.
IRL....not so much.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)If you can't get the "recs," you're not kewl.
Puglover
(16,380 posts)just a tad.
If you think DUer's rec an OP solely on "popularity" or to be "kewl" and not ideas, that doesn't say a lot about your opinion of a whole bunch of folks that post on this website doe's it?
If (in your mind) the majority of us are so vapid why on earth do you spend so much time here?
I just don't understand why you are so pissed off about Pitts OP.
As I said over there how on earth would it be possible for anyone to become POTUS without being a great bullshit artist?
And I like President Obama a lot. I like a most of what he doe's and other stuff not so much. I don't even like everything my better 1/2 doe's. I just don't believe "bullshit artist" is that horrible of a pejorative. Or is it the "hall of fame" part that bugs you?
edit for "hall of fame"
ProSense
(116,464 posts)"If you think DUer's rec an OP solely on 'popularity' or to be "kewl" and not ideas, that doesn't say a lot about your opinion of a whole bunch of folks that post on this website doe's it?"
Yeah, posting responses comparing recs is about "ideas."
Puglover
(16,380 posts)However you did answer my question. You really don't think much of the folks who post here.
Thanks.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)"However you did answer my question. You really don't think much of the folks who post here. "
...that is hilarious in a meaningless sort of way.
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)ProSense
(116,464 posts)Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)Sounds like Republicans on Foxnews angrily denouncing Dems who bring up their prior statements and ask the Repukes to defend it.
It shows this site's readers vote 215-53 that character assassination of our Democratic President by one of our own is a ok.
Rex
(65,616 posts)You know...they don't DO reality very well.
alarimer
(16,245 posts)Merely quoting one paragraph is dishonest.
Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)Admirable in that we can all consider the source material and it will throw a bone to those desperately needing to increase web traffic to their site.
Rex
(65,616 posts)This was meant as a disruptive thread and worked like a charm. Did you think the OP was interested in a discussion? Not the way the OP works.
Just the other day the OP was calling for Obama's impeachment...why anyone takes the OP seriously is anyone guess. Usually their posts are full of self kicks LOL.
fredamae
(4,458 posts)ProSense
(116,464 posts)Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)distinct minority at DU. The two threads make this apparent.
Orsino
(37,428 posts)Bullshit artist may not necessarily be a requirement for every local office, but the presidency? Steward in chief of an economic system founded on lies and running on blood? You'd better believe Obama is a bullshit artist. One of the finest, or his ethnicity would have knocked him out of the running.
madinmaryland
(64,920 posts)I don't think anyone could have said it in a more meaningful way, SIR!
ProSense
(116,464 posts)madinmaryland
(64,920 posts)you would know, Mr. Axelrod.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)Cha
(295,899 posts)bit grasping.
madinmaryland
(64,920 posts)Cha
(295,899 posts)madinmaryland
(64,920 posts)it's interesting to watch things go "whooosh". nt