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pnwmom

(108,976 posts)
Sat Mar 1, 2014, 05:13 AM Mar 2014

A story of a hero, in Houston, Texas.

http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/Baby-found-alive-in-apartment-trash-in-SE-Houston-5265991.php

The whimper coming from the dumpster outside building 25 caught Carlos Michel's ear Tuesday morning. It sounded like an animal dying, maybe a kitten, but he couldn't tell for sure.

As the sounds grew louder, the maintenance worker felt certain that whatever was making the noises was struggling.

Seconds later, Michel, 51, reached into the blue dumpster and, hunched over, grabbed a white trash bag. He placed the bag on the ground, ripping it open to find the source - a newborn boy, stuffed among trash and discarded school work. His tiny face and hands were purple, his umbilical cord still attached, his body cold. His soft cries were the only indication he was still alive.

"I almost had a heart attack," Michel said.

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A story of a hero, in Houston, Texas. (Original Post) pnwmom Mar 2014 OP
Savers are always there when needed. raven mad Mar 2014 #1
I'm not sure about that. Thank goodness this man had sharp enough ears, pnwmom Mar 2014 #2
eh? Schema Thing Mar 2014 #10
I don't know about there - but here raven mad Mar 2014 #3
Same in Texas, no questions asked. oneshooter Mar 2014 #13
How sad.. and yet inspiring Cha Mar 2014 #4
Something's really wrong with a person who puts any living thing in a dumpster mdbl Mar 2014 #5
Maybe the baby appeared not to be breathing at birth and the 16 year old panicked. pnwmom Mar 2014 #6
I agree. HappyMe Mar 2014 #7
You don't have to excuse it. Ilsa Mar 2014 #8
I just cannot understand how anyone HappyMe Mar 2014 #9
"abuse" indicates an ongoing situation, not a single event. Schema Thing Mar 2014 #11
Yes, that's true. HappyMe Mar 2014 #12
maybe she didn't but onethatcares Mar 2014 #15
I don't know. HappyMe Mar 2014 #16
Maybe she did, maybe she didn't. Ilsa Mar 2014 #18
IF it was a teenager, you simply cannot give her Ilsa Mar 2014 #17
I think 15 is old enough to know right from wrong. HappyMe Mar 2014 #20
But we don't know how old this person is. Jazzgirl Mar 2014 #21
As a democrat, you might be interested Ilsa Mar 2014 #22
I don't know about "Hero" but certainly a decent man that was in the right place at the Bandit Mar 2014 #14
He went dumpster diving because he heard sounds. It could have been some other kind of animal. pnwmom Mar 2014 #25
I think the mom and baby are together again. She thought the baby was not alive. Sunlei Mar 2014 #19
And this is part of the problem. Ilsa Mar 2014 #23
You think wrong. LisaL Mar 2014 #24

raven mad

(4,940 posts)
1. Savers are always there when needed.
Sat Mar 1, 2014, 05:20 AM
Mar 2014

To a lot of folks, it matters what they save.

To me? It matters THAT they save.

pnwmom

(108,976 posts)
2. I'm not sure about that. Thank goodness this man had sharp enough ears,
Sat Mar 1, 2014, 05:22 AM
Mar 2014

and a good enough heart, because this baby's life depended on him.

They need to do more to let girls know where it is safe and legal to abandon a baby.

raven mad

(4,940 posts)
3. I don't know about there - but here
Sat Mar 1, 2014, 05:33 AM
Mar 2014

any place, a fire station, cop shop, church? Safe.

Too much crap - if a child has a child, and nowhere to go? They've got nowhere to go. It's emphasized here that they can give birth and give up the baby. Unfortunately, we're a very right (red) state - and abortion isn't easy for a village woman/girl living 400 miles from even a doctor.

I hate this. We, as a state, and we are small in population, have the highest rates of child abuse/rape, rape in general (I don't mean that the way it's written, just the way the papers are published), domestic abuse, etc. in the nation. And we have the largest state, with the most resources, and lowest population in the nation.

So what does that say about abuse in general? Nothing. Boredom? Lack of access? It goes on and goes on and goes on. No one has done anything. Most rapists/child get 5 weeks in a local prison/jail - where they go back "home" and laugh.

Cha

(297,138 posts)
4. How sad.. and yet inspiring
Sat Mar 1, 2014, 06:32 AM
Mar 2014

for the baby who was left to die in a trash bin; to cry out and for Carlos Michel to hear him. What a little survivor.

thank you, pnwmom

mdbl

(4,973 posts)
5. Something's really wrong with a person who puts any living thing in a dumpster
Sat Mar 1, 2014, 06:53 AM
Mar 2014

The fact that it's a newborn child makes it incomprehensible.

pnwmom

(108,976 posts)
6. Maybe the baby appeared not to be breathing at birth and the 16 year old panicked.
Sat Mar 1, 2014, 07:40 AM
Mar 2014

It would be incomprehensible otherwise.

Ilsa

(61,694 posts)
8. You don't have to excuse it.
Sat Mar 1, 2014, 09:21 AM
Mar 2014

You might try to understand the possible range of circumstances of how this happened.

A fifteen year old giving birth may not know the surrender laws in Texas: that a baby can be surrendered to a firehouse or hospital, no questions asked. That same fifteen year old may have exceptional circumstances at home. That same child giving birth may have thought it was dead. Lots of babies require some minor level of resuscitation after birth.

The bigger question is, if this baby was born of a teenager, how did we fail her? How did we fail any mother who would do such a thing?

HappyMe

(20,277 posts)
9. I just cannot understand how anyone
Sat Mar 1, 2014, 09:36 AM
Mar 2014

could take a baby and toss it in the garbage. This falls into an animal abuse, child abuse category for me.

I don't know if we failed her at all. This girl's disregard for life is not all of society's problem. This kind of falls on her and her parents. Maybe she just didn't want the kid.

HappyMe

(20,277 posts)
12. Yes, that's true.
Sat Mar 1, 2014, 10:21 AM
Mar 2014

I should have been clearer. I was thinking along the lines of attempting to harm or kill those that cannot speak up or fight back.

onethatcares

(16,166 posts)
15. maybe she didn't but
Sat Mar 1, 2014, 10:54 AM
Mar 2014

I'm leaning more towards her thinking that she covered it up so far and can't go any further.

I realize Texas has an educational system that thoroughly covers birth control, contraception and sex education.

Maybe she just missed those days

Jeez, I can't imagine how scared someone would have to be to do such a thing like putting a newborn in a dumpster.

But I do think it was fear and not callousness.

HappyMe

(20,277 posts)
16. I don't know.
Sat Mar 1, 2014, 10:56 AM
Mar 2014

She had several months to prepare for this.

Maybe use that smart phone or computer to get some info.

Ilsa

(61,694 posts)
18. Maybe she did, maybe she didn't.
Sat Mar 1, 2014, 11:11 AM
Mar 2014

You don't know if she understood that she was pregnant. Believe me, it happens, even to older women who have had babies. Episodes of scant bleeding, various degrees of denial, slight weight gain can cause some women to overlook the possibility that she's pregnant.

Denial is usually the domain of teens, though, from what I've read and heard from coworkers in Labor & Delivery.

Ilsa

(61,694 posts)
17. IF it was a teenager, you simply cannot give her
Sat Mar 1, 2014, 11:06 AM
Mar 2014

credit for thinking like an adult. Teens' brains are not fully developed. Their reactions are more defensive and primal, as in fear-based. The majority of teenagers' Executive thinking processes are undeveloped. Their ability to plan and execute has limitations. She may not have had the guidance to respect all aspects of life if her environment is based on self-indulgence or self-serving behavior. Again, she may not have known the Texas laws for surrendering a baby or that it was even alive.

As for society, lets face it: many government policies are not respectful of life. Include in that how we wage war, execute without trial, deny life-saving healthcare to millions, deny food assistance, etc. We literally let the sick of body and mind die in our streets.

I don't think its right to judge someone a monster without knowing the facts.

Jazzgirl

(3,744 posts)
21. But we don't know how old this person is.
Sat Mar 1, 2014, 01:31 PM
Mar 2014

They could be 12 or 13, who knows. Besides everybody processes things differently. And how do you know what stress this person was under? Don't judge since no one knows all the facts.

Ilsa

(61,694 posts)
22. As a democrat, you might be interested
Sat Mar 1, 2014, 01:47 PM
Mar 2014

in this report as you pass summary judgment:

http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/FB-Teen-Sex-Ed.html

No, teenagers don't always think responsibly like adults and don't always know what to do.

And what you think isn't agreed on by all child psychologists.

Bandit

(21,475 posts)
14. I don't know about "Hero" but certainly a decent man that was in the right place at the
Sat Mar 1, 2014, 10:48 AM
Mar 2014

right time. To me a Hero is someone that puts something very valuable (life or property) at stake to benefit someone or something. Risking one's life to save another is a good example. The word Hero is tossed around so much it no longer has much meaning.

pnwmom

(108,976 posts)
25. He went dumpster diving because he heard sounds. It could have been some other kind of animal.
Sat Mar 1, 2014, 02:04 PM
Mar 2014

Not everyone would have done that.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
19. I think the mom and baby are together again. She thought the baby was not alive.
Sat Mar 1, 2014, 11:15 AM
Mar 2014

Not sure the exact story but was another young girl who gave birth alone at home.

Ilsa

(61,694 posts)
23. And this is part of the problem.
Sat Mar 1, 2014, 01:48 PM
Mar 2014

Slut-shaming by Anyone, lack of education. Even the group that started the Safe Haven program for babies is dismayed by how society isn't promoting it anymore.

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