Ca. Gov. Jerrry Brown: World is ‘too dangerous’ for a nation of potheads

[Playinghardball]

Appearing on NBC’s Meet The Press, California Governor Jerry Brown said that he was not prepared to completely legalize marijuana in his state.

Asked by host David Gregory if legalizing marijuana was “a good idea or a bad idea for California?”, Brown replied that he would like to wait and see what happens in Colorado and Washington, two states that recently liberalized their marijuana laws.

“Well, we have medical marijuana, which gets very close to what they have in Colorado and Washington,” he said. “I’d really like those two states to show us how it’s going to work.”

The governor then cautioned against the state giving marijuana ‘legitimacy’.

The problem with anything, a certain amount is okay. But there is a tendency to go to extremes. And all of a sudden, if there’s advertising and legitimacy, how many people can get stoned and still have a great state or a great nation? The world’s pretty dangerous, very competitive,” Brown explained. “I think we need to stay alert, if not 24 hours a day, more than some of the potheads might be able to put together.

Watch the video below from NBC’s Meet The Press:

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/03/02/ca-gov-jerrry-brown-world-is-too-dangerous-for-a-nation-of-potheads/

[CaliforniaPeggy]

1. Oh, FFS.

C'mon, Jerry, get with it.

Think of the REVENUE, man.

Look how well Colorado is doing.

[reddread]

2. dudes a crooked fascist

happy to shoot longshoreman union members in the face for standing on the sidelines of a protest against GW's abomination.
Thrilled the oil companies can dump their fracking poisons off the coast of California where his daddy
fought for their right to dangerously drill and spill.
He is among the worst of the worst.
The face of the machinery that will shoot you in the face for expressing opposition to illegal
invasions and mass murder.

[DireStrike]

9. A bird in the hand - think of the PRISON revenue! -nt-

[Tikki]

3. As a Californian, I totally agree with my Governor.

Tikki

[reddread]

4. and how much effect are the two of you having?

other than cranking up the silly quotient, how many pot smokers are being slowed down by your noise?
NOT MANY.
On the other hand, those cartels beheading people down south appreciate your support.

[lindysalsagal]

73. pot smokers support the cartels, not non-smokers

If we all sobered up all drug crime would end… no demand, no supply. the guv's right…

[hobbit709]

83. The mob got out of the liquor business when Prohibition was repealed

They were just a bunch of street thugs until they got to making big money from bootlegging.

[reddread]

118. the cartels support the politicians, and vice versa

your reasoning is completely dysfunctional.
do you really think that is contributing to the discussion and possible solutions?
Sounds exactly like what you would hear from some church where they do things
that wont get you into heaven.

[truedelphi]

235. And sometimes, especially here in Calif., they are one

And the same. Cartels south of the border are notorious for cleaning up someone in the family, sending them north, where they can help their friends on this side of the border get elected. On the surface, the cartel family members say they are anti-drug, but their money and their family was built on drugs.

[Kelvin Mace]

126. That's not going to happen.

So we can legalize and tax it and thus exercise some control over it, or we can continue to fund the drug cartels and our prisons.

(For the record, I do not partake of any illegal mind-altering substance, and never have. I do not drink and never have).

[aquart]

152. If we legalized, the profit would disappear and thus the crime.

And we could swim happily in the new revenue stream that used to feed the cartels.

[Ed Suspicious]

179. Chickens and eggs. I'm afraid either way you're never drying up demand so might as well open

supply and let a few more keep their heads.

[LeftyMom]

233. Cartels? What kind of idiot would smoke Mexican weed in CA?

Cartels make their money on blow, not weed. Jesus H. Christ.

[reddread]

234. uh

http://articles.latimes.com/2012/dec/26/local/la-me-mexican-marijuana-20121226

http://www.nytimes.com/gwire/2009/07/30/30greenwire-cartels-turn-us-forests-into-marijuana-plantat-41908.html?pagewanted=all


takes a lot of juice to be able to do this. They arent just gambling when they do this.

[LeftyMom]

242. You think they sell that in CA?

Look, I don't even smoke. But I, like every other Californian who is old enough to have pocket money and doesn't live in a cave, know enough people that have family that grows that I could call half a dozen folks easily and have some high end shit grown by somebody's hippie aunt in Ukiah or in their Mom's walk-in closet in the burbs here by dinner. Or I could go see Dr. Skype, tell him I have menstrual cramps and buy legal from a dispensary tomorrow.

California has ideal growing conditions for damn near everything. We export most of it. Nobody here is using the worst grade of our most profitable agricultural commodity. We're snobby about more than food.

The way to prevent grows on public lands is to make it less risky to grow on private land. California and it's counties are doing what they can on that front but it's ultimately up to the feds because they dispense the law enforcement money and they set policies.

[reddread]

243. Im pointing to the cartel's involvement in illegal CA production, and their political power

I appreciate the lessons, but you might have just wasted them on me.
Im not really trying to engage in simplifications.
Ive dont plenty of research and have some pretty informed sources.
Id take some decent sensamilla anytime, being surrounded by other forms long enough,
it has its charms.

[Phlem]

245. Dude, even animals in the wild get drunk.

Try studying basic anthropology or try cracking a knowledge book. Here try this:

http://icb.oxfordjournals.org/content/44/4/315.full

Sorry, as long as there's pain there's going to be a need to take it away, FFS.

In your perfect little world that might work, but the rest of us have to live here too, you know, that messy thing called life.

Try firing a couple synapses please before posting ignorance.



-p

[Eleanors38]

251. B.S. Mine comes from the dangerous warehouse region of Portland.

[nadinbrzezinski]

10. I don't

war on drugs is the real abomination here

[Tikki]

25. I have posted this here…legal or not legal, I don't care if people smoke in the privacy..

of their own home.
Please, Don't drive high, don't work high, don't parent high.

As a landlord, I do not want mind altering drugs used on any of my premises.
As a grandmother, I don't want my grandchildren interacting with adults under the influence.
As a driver and a passenger, I don't want to be on the road with drivers under the influence.

You are going to argue that most of this is happening or not happening already.

I will argue that the actions above will accelerate if pot is made legal.


Tikki

[Fumesucker]

39. You have a clause in your lease that bans use of alcoholic beverages?

[Tikki]

49. Now you understand why I don't want a pot user living in my property.

Tikki

[Throd]

50. I don't.

[cleanhippie]

93. I don't understand at all. You have made no case other than "I don't like pot".

You seem to have no rational reason at all as to why you don't like cannabis or cannabis users.

Can you explain?

[seveneyes]

99. Why is booze better than a weed?

Booze causes battered spouses, deadly vehicle wrecks, destroyed lives and much worse effects than a wild weed.

I don't understand why you don't want a pot user living in your property when booze drinking can cause so much worse damage.

[aquart]

153. Does the lease say pot or only "alcoholic beverages"?

Because pot ain't alcohol.

[MindMover]

53. I will argue that when I get in my car, I step on the accelorator and go as fast as the car will go

I would be wrong as you are wrong ...

[kestrel91316]

59. I bet you can't even tell when the average medical cannabis user is

"under the influence". We don't act high because we AREN'T high, just comfortable and not in pain.

[liberal_at_heart]

114. You should really educate yourself more on things you don't know about.

I bet you interact with adults who smoke marijuana and don't even know it.

[MrMickeysMom]

155. "I don't care if people smoke in the privacy of their own home…"

Yes, you do.Your renters don't have a home. No renter will have privacy if you are their landlord. It might be nice if you mention this in the renter's agreement.

Were you to rent to me in my younger days, I'd have kept a clean apartment, worked, made vegetarian dishes, which, if you lived below me, I'd had loved share with you. I might assure myself that if I ever wanted to smoke, it would have been a decision pretty much like wanting a glass of wine. Not the mind police.

I surely would not let you on to this, and nothing I did would let you on to it, unless you walked in and pilfered through my personal things.

You would wouldn't see stuff like empty bottle and beer cans, which if I did have anything recyclable , would be in it's proper bin. But, had I been a beer drinker or boozer, I'd have a few stains to leave behind from when I was drunk, and when my "friends" might have vomited after imbibing.

I'm pretty sure I was never loud from parties, since I never was a big drinker. However, since I was a something else in my much younger days, there would be Pink Floyd, Beatles, Frank Zappa or Firesign Theater.

Of course, I would never think of driving anyone in your family anywhere after smoking. Who really needs to do this?

[Logical]

213. There are so many things you are clueless about......

Do people use prescription pain killers in your rentals? Alcohol?

Have you spent 10 minutes thinking about this. I doubt it.

[sabbat hunter]

227. So as a landlord

you don't want people to drink on your premises either?

[Throd]

27. As a Californian, I totally disagree with my Governor

[lostincalifornia]

54. The only reason he is doing it is because of the upcoming election. After that is over he will have

No problem I think

In addition if it is put up as a proposition we don't need the politicians

[MindMover]

62. Ah, the proposition, brought to you by sane Californians .... thank God for propositions ...nt

[lostincalifornia]

66. In this case yes

[Politicalboi]

136. I hope we get some other Dem to vote for

I will NOT vote for him if this is what he thinks about pot. And the toxic dumping in our ocean is another reason to let him go. I hope whoever runs against him, uses this nonsense to oust him.

[lostincalifornia]

146. They can use propositions to bypass politicians. I will vote for him since the repugs

Are putting up far worse people including ex Pimco execs against min wage entitlement reform etc

[Logical]

211. LOL, thanks for the detailed explanation why. n-t

[Phlem]

246. care to expound on your reasons why?

-p

[MindMover]

5. "The problem with anything, a certain amount is okay. But there is a tendency to go to extremes."

Hello Gov ... in whose life are you referring, there is a tendency to go to extremes ... is that your life ... ????

and, I would rather have stoners driving than drunks .... and I would rather have stoners running the state than drunkards ...

Hey Gov ... I will wager a bet that any stoner can be more alert than any drunk .... betcha, betcha ...

[nadinbrzezinski]

11. Actually I want NEITHER driving

but that includes pain killers by the way

[Lost_Count]

32. The surest sign of the lazy pot advocate....

But... But... Alcohol....

[MindMover]

37. Ok, lets take away all those crutches that humans have .. and call me lazy, that is exactly who I am

but ...but ...... seriously tho, can I buy you a drink or offer you a bowl ... or can we just lose count of our inadequacies and rejoice in the pleasure of being ...

[Fumesucker]

40. Surest sign of a hypocrite on the subject of mind altering substances

But.. but.. pot.

[Mariana]

87. There sure is a lot of hypocrisy on this subject.

Alcohol is so much more destructive than marijuana. Why do people still pretend to believe otherwise?

[Logical]

215. Not a deep thinker I assume? n-t

[Lost_Count]

224. You've wounded me...

... deep down in my soul with your unique wit and ability to respond with logically sound and well thought out barbs such as the gem you just laid out.

Really.. Super duper impressive...

[Logical]

226. I am guessing you might not be here long. Just a guess. n-t

[kestrel91316]

60. I've gone to far more "extremes" in my alcohol use than I ever have or will

in my cannabis use. The way I use it leaves me feeling like I have had one or perhaps two beers.

Shutcher silly trap, Jerry, and don't go spouting off about things you know nothing about.

[reformist2]

6. LOL! Much needed smack of common sense about pot from someone on the left.

[MindMover]

68. Smack is not common sense ... and left he is NOT

[shanti]

75. thank you

he's about the same as obama, imo, and we know obama is certainly not left.

[Cleita]

7. Wha..what?

The guy whom most of us thought WAS a pothead (approvingly), who was called Governor Moonbeam and dated a rock star, who didn't want to live in the Guv mansion (too many prying eyes, maybe?) doesn't approve of pot heads? Am I in an alternate universe?

[reddread]

18. dont forget jumping Arianna's bones

because there is nothing wrong with bearding a Republican Senate candidate, although if the alternative was Feinstein, we lost that round.

[DireStrike]

8. Alright, I'll say it...

Dude needs to chill out and smoke a blunt.

Would you say banning a harmless substance which already has a widely advertised, legal counterpart (alcohol) is "going to extremes"? How many people can get drunk and still have a great state or a great nation? Actually I'd say probably in the high 90s, percentage wise.

He does make a good argument against advertisement. Look at the absolute crippling hysteria that decades of anti-drug advertising has inflicted on the minds of otherwise would-be-productive citizens like Jerry Brown!

[DJ13]

12. Sadly, Jerry Brown has become an old man

[MindMover]

48. and has sold out to a certain rational that affords his current donor logic ... playin there tune ..

[MrMickeysMom]

165. Old should have the least to do with it...

I don't think he was ever truly young. Based on his relationship with Linda Ronstadt…

[KG]

13. why is the assumption that hordes of people are suddenly gonna become stoners?

pretty much all the people that are gonna toke already do....

[reddread]

21. exactly, thanks to the black market

and they $$$thank$$$ the politicians who fight so hard to keep it that way.

[Iggo]

24. Truth.

[RKP5637]

30. That's my thought too. n/t

[Sheldon Cooper]

142. Not true.

If it were legal where I am, I would light up every day. But it's still illegal so I don't do it at all. Mainly because I don't want to do it around my teenage kids, and I don't want to do it if I'm to be drug tested.

[alarimer]

205. I don't know that making it legal ends drug testing at work.

I have not heard how Colorado handles this aspect of it.

I personally don't think companies should be allowed to drug test without cause.

[MrMickeysMom]

160. Exactly, KG… what an assumption, indeed.

Pretty much they toke already… or …. ONCE did.

How short sighted. I suppose we need a test study of CO … I can't imagine how many years to prove this??? Jeebus, I hope not.

[former9thward]

14. Jerry Brown goes under the DU bus for stating the obvious.

Thou god of pot must not be offended.

[Bonobo]

22. Because it is neither obvious or true.

The idea that you cannot do things while high was promoted by people that don't really know what they are talking about.

[MindMover]

29. BINGO ...

[RKP5637]

33. In college I did some of my best class presentations when a bit high, I was relaxed, must have

been OK, since I got A's!

[Bonobo]

38. I learned thousands of Chinese characters high.

I became fluent in Japanese while high.

That it can aid concentration is clear to me.

[RKP5637]

41. Yes, incredible focus! n/t

[Jackpine Radical]

45. I found a light buzz to be a very effective tool

for learning advanced statistics. I was, like, able to visualize images representing things like variances & track through the underlying matrix algebra for factor analysis, etc.

[mainer]

130. pot helps your brain edit out extraneous distractions

I seem to remember Michael Pollan presented the research for this in his book BOTANY OF DESIRE. Therefore, yes, it would make you focus very well on minute things.

[former9thward]

43. Right, those who aren't high must not know what they are talking about.

I have nothing against pot as a recreational drug. But regular pot users are not productive. I know them. I see them everyday.

[Bonobo]

47. You wouldn't necessarily recognize the ones that are high and productive.

Since you have the predisposed notion to look for a certain thing in cannabis users, you might not be aware of what you are NOT noticing.

You are only looking for the ones lying on couches with bags of doritos and not noticing the ones all around you.

Trust me.

[phleshdef]

71. Yea a little bit of marijuana can be an enormous productivity booster.

And it can also help you stay more patient with really tedious tasks.

[840high]

74. My ex son-in-law - 4 car

accidents in 2 months while smoking pot.

[Le Taz Hot]

91. Me, pot smoker.

been driving for 40 years. Never had an accident even though I drive while buzzed (NOT blitzed, buzzed). See how that anecdotal evidence thing works?

[former9thward]

97. And millions drive drunk every day and don't have accidents.

Far, far more than those who do have an accident. So I guess its ok, right?

[Le Taz Hot]

100. So, you think that "drunk" and "buzzed" are the same thing?

Well, there's your problem right there. Drunk impairs your judgment and motor skills. A pot buzz impairs nothing. It's like driving with a coffee buzz. I guarantee you interact with people every day who have a pot buzz and you don't know it. I'm sure you've even driven with them.

[former9thward]

102. I have drove people with a buzz.

Never have I been in a car with someone driving with a buzz. You are the one who replied to the poster about her son in law and the accidents. So you replied that you never have had an accident. I am just pointing out that your experience means nothing because millions out there drive drunk without a problem. In both WA and CO you can be arrested for driving under the influence of drugs -- including pot.

[Le Taz Hot]

103. Well, the only way you can "guarantee"

that you've never driven with someone with a buzz is if you've never let another person drive you anywhere. Sans that, I can "guarantee" you that you have.

My point to the other poster was that anecdotal evidence is not scientific evidence but you seem to have missed the original point of my post entirely.

[former9thward]

104. So, since you bring up science, do you think DUI for pot is illegitimate?

[Le Taz Hot]

105. It is illigitimate.

The problem is that with the current blood test, you test positive for THC even if you ingested 3 days ago and are no longer under the influence. If it's just a sobriety test, most people with a pot buzz can pass those because their motor skills are not impaired.

Btw, see Post #80 in this thread. I think you'll be enlightened. Or not.

[former9thward]

107. I went to the article and there are no links to any studies.

Always suspicious when on the website of someone who has an agenda. I would love to read the "studies". But I did love the line that people smoking pot are safer drivers "because they tend to stay home instead of going out partying." LOL. Well, yeah, I guess people laying on their couch are pretty safe drivers!

[Le Taz Hot]

111. Speaking of "agendas" . . .

"Well, yeah, I guess people laying on their couch are pretty safe drivers!" One of many myths about pot.

[Ghost in the Machine]

219. You want studies?? Will a page full of links/facts of studies by the National Institute of Health

suffice for you, or do they have an agenda???

http://www.scientificfactsofpot.com/studies.htm

The Studies

Marijuana Fights:

Heart Disease
Cancer
Diabetes
Osteoporosis
Alzheimer's
Liver Disease
Epilepsy
Skin Allergies
Post Traumatic Stress Disorder
Anxiety and Depression

and is also Neuroprotective and Causes Neurogenesis (brain cell growth)

Why is this scientific evidence any better than hearsay? Aren't these scientists always disagreeing anyway? It's all just fashion...
It is unfortunate that many laymen still have this horrific misunderstanding of science after graduating from grade school. Science is the pursuit of truth that lies outside of human interference, opinion and bias. Everything about science is designed to eliminate the adulteration of human perception. Is it perfect and without mistake? No, but it is tens of thousands of times more reliable than anything else. Humanity has not yet learned everything in the universe but with the help of science we are slowly making our way there. Wihtout the strict processes, examination and re-examination of data that is required for real science, we would be forever stuck in the dark ages ruled over by tyranny or anarchy. We would still be blundering in the dark and dying by the age of thirty. When I hear words like the question above uttered, I nearly want to weep for what it portends. Science as a community does it's best to find the truth and is sometimes wrong anyway. It's rare and usually quite a small thing but when we discover we are wrong we immediately change. Every single person in the scientific comunity would love to find where accepted science is wrong because of the pride and recognition that comes with such a discovery. Millions of people all diligently looking for any little corner where we might be wrong with great reward to be had if they find it. Consider the opposite: millions of people all trying to defend a concept's rightness with death being the punishment for mentioning a possible flaw.


What do each of these "studies" represent?
When a research department at some university wishes to conduct a study they must put together a very comprehensive plan for how it will be accomplished; what it will prove and how that information will be valuable. This proposal is then given to number of institutions with a vested interest in the advancement of knowledge and they will not just hand over a gigantic sum of money to a bunch of unprepared or unprofessional amatuers.
Each study below represents tens of thousands of dollars and untold man hours. Each study is a huge investment of passion and a reflection upon each of the researchers, but the pressure to perform has only just started once the grant has come through. If the results of the study are not published in a reputable peer-reviewed journal, all of the time and money is utterly wasted and thrown in the trash because without publication, the scientific community will reject any findings of the study. This kind of gigantic waste can lay waste to a research department and the careers of all the researchers involved. Needless to say, it is critical for the study to pass the peer-review process.

The peer-review process requirement of publication in a journal is put in place as a way for other professionals in the same area of science to review the processes undertaken by the study. These reviewers assure not only that there is not blatent twisting of facts but also that experimenter bias is accounted for and that pre-concieved notions can have not even an accidental effect on the outcome of the study. They also assure that the conclusions drawn from the data do not include anything presumtuous.

When only one study points to a particular new understanding it is a very significant consideration for being truth. When multiple studies point to the same thing, it is as close to absolute, factual, unbiased, immutable, truth as humanity is or will ever be capable of grasping.

http://www.scientificfactsofpot.com/studies.htm

Please do some reading...

Peace,

Ghost

[former9thward]

222. Dear Ghost;

Please follow the thread. The comments were about marijuana drivers being safer than normal drivers. Your link has absolutely nothing to do with that subject. No one was talking about health or medical effects of marijuana. Follow the thread.

[Ghost in the Machine]

256. Well, as a former user who smoked for a little over 40 years out of my 51 years on this Earth, I can

say with a certainty that I drove better while stoned. Growing up, I always had fast cars... hot rods... and loved street racing! I drove fast everywhere I went! 100 mph was normal driving on the turnpike in South Florida. I learned how3 to drive on the hilly, curvy roads, back roads and dirt roads in the foothills of the Smoky Mountains of Tennessee, though. However, when I drove after smoking, I used to drive slower... a LOT slower... so I could enjoy the scenery. I did the same thing while driving the back roads in the Everglades, too.

I barely drive anymore now, but when I do, I prefer a nice slow cruise through the mountains, even though I don't imbibe anymore. I know a lot of other people who are the same as me. Smoking, literally, let me "slow down and smell the roses"....

Peace,

Ghost

[Feral Child]

117. Her experience

is "anecdotal evidence", just as the poster she responded to.

That was the point of her post, as she pointed out in her post.

Instead of knee-jerking a sloppy rebuttal, read the posts through. Your DU experience will improve, and so will mine...

[former9thward]

129. Yours will never improve.

Sad....

[MindMover]

141. Your opinion is based on your experience and education...

Sadly neither of which taught you reasoning . You reference your experience which denotes a world of addiction which is not the norm and then you apply this knowledge to everyone.

[former9thward]

148. If your post was intended as a reply to me it makes no sense whatsoever.

Maybe you misplaced it.

[MindMover]

149. You are the one that makes no sense with your nonsensical reasoning about "the weed" ...

and you are probably just a tech working in an addictions center with all these opinions .... about pot

[former9thward]

151. Each post is more incoherent than the last.

Why don't you try attacking what has been posted with your argument instead of rambling.

[MindMover]

154. LOL, you obfuscate to obscure your obvious lack of reasoning ability ... nice try

It is your rambling about something you know little to nothing about and follow someone elses clearly wrongheaded ideas about marijuana.

My argument is "that you know not what you talk about."

[former9thward]

156. I do know what I'm talking about.

And you don't. See how that works?

[MindMover]

157. Prove it, I can ....

[former9thward]

159. I'll be waiting for that proof...

[MindMover]

163. Is a Doctorate in Psychology with an addiction specialty, enough tech ....

You should stay out of voicing your opinion when you do not know what you are talking about....listen and learn from others more experienced and with tons of education about these subjects ...

[former9thward]

166. Ok, let me get this straight...

Only anonymous posters claiming to have a Doctorate in Psychology with addiction specialty are allowed to post on this topic -- as long as they agree with you. Maybe you should bring this up with the administrators. Tell them about the new rules you wish to impose.

[MindMover]

167. Maybe you should watch this, because your rationale is really lacking in this thread ... enjoy

[former9thward]

170. I don't listen to propaganda from either side.

Others may differ....

[MindMover]

171. No propaganda, this is the emotional side of your position on the evil weed ...

and for sure, others do differ from your opinion ...

[former9thward]

173. Where did I say weed was "evil"?

Or did you just make it up? Yeah, that's exactly what you did.

[MindMover]

194. The movie defines weed as evil and that is what I was referring to ... however you state ...

"I have nothing against pot as a recreational drug. But regular pot users are not productive. I know them. I see them everyday."

[former9thward]

198. Thank you for quoting me accurately.

That is my experience.

[MindMover]

201. What little experience you have had, you have formed an opinion about ...

every toker in the world ....

[Feral Child]

145. Very rude, very judgmental.

I'm pretty sure I'm a lot happier, and a much nicer person, than you.

I'd prefer not to hear from you again.

[former9thward]

147. Use the ignore feature if you don't want to hear from me.

But I'll still be there. People will just think you have no answer to my posts. Funny you insult me then say that I'm rude and judgmental.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

223. I've conjugated lots of sentences while high. Think about it.

[former9thward]

225. I'd rather not.

But thanks for the image...

[DisgustipatedinCA]

229. Point being, you're awfully high and mighty for someone who doesn't know what they're talking about.

Furthermore, when you do write something, you butcher the language. There are lots of high-achieving people who smoke pot every single day. The fact that you don't know any of them is meaningless.

If your aim is to go all pedantic on a large group of people you've demonstrated you know nothing about, it would be wise to actually form sentences correctly in order to bolster your point.

[former9thward]

238. Ohh, the language police have arrived.

I didn't know we were being graded on these posts. I'll try better teacher.

[Mariana]

232. Good heavens, where do you live?

Most states aren't so lenient with intoxicated drivers.

[Warren Stupidity]

63. Really? Please do cite the statistics on pot use and income status.

[former9thward]

89. You cite them.

I only know what I see. I don't go through life with blinders on. Some do.

[Warren Stupidity]

96. Right. No pal, you're the one asserting that there is a problem that justifies criminalization.

Prove it.

[former9thward]

98. Show the post where I said it deserves criminalization.

Otherwise you have LIED. I said the exact opposite. I said I have no problem with it as a recreation drug. And I am not your 'pal' in any world. So "pal" you Prove I said such a thing.

[Warren Stupidity]

113. So when you agreed with Brown that pot should remain illegal

that was you disagreeing with Brown that pot should remain illegal?

[former9thward]

115. Show that post.

I never said pot "should remain illegal". You LIED and are now doubling down on it. Keep digging...

[Warren Stupidity]

120. You agreed with Brown's statement supporting continued criminalization of pot.

[former9thward]

128. Lying again.

Show that post. Do you know how to cut/paste?

[Ed Suspicious]

182. What a silly game you're playing. I hope you're entertained. I'm not.

[former9thward]

184. Hmmm, someone suddenly coming in on a sub-thread to defend a poster ....

Quite suspicious ...

[Ed Suspicious]

186. I'm suspicious why you would be suspicious. What are you insinuating? I read your string of posts,

much to my displeasure, and I let you know what I thought. Nothing to be paranoid about. Just relax. If you can't get there through deep breathing or meditation, I suggest adding a toke of medicinal.

[former9thward]

190. No, a beer and a cigar is my vice.

But thanks for the advice, doc.

[Ed Suspicious]

191. Different stroke for different folks.

[MrMickeysMom]

164. Well, you must have SOME idea...

General assumptions should at least contain some metrics on subjects on which they feel they know enough.

Example: "I must know at least 10 people over the last 6 months who don't have steady jobs, get thrown out of their living situations and smoke pot."

Now, if you said something like that, you'd be citing something of significance on who is and who isn't responsible as a result of smoking.

I can tell you from having around 40 years from when I began being an adult the kinds of persons I knew who smoked and based on THAT, come up with a percentage of how many were irresponsible as a result of smoking.

It would be around 2%, based on my metrics.

[former9thward]

169. Anything I said would be denounced as "anecdotal."

Or people would say I don't know who is smoking, etc., etc. Look how Jerry Brown, a progressive all of his life, is treated in this thread. He is called a fascist. That is the mentality of people on this topic. Jerry Brown has been around pot heads all of his life. But his estimation is attacked. Religious people are hard to shake from their god.

[MrMickeysMom]

172. "religious people"…?

Not sure what you intended with your last sentence.

Look, I just told you, based on my observations (technically anecdotal) what percentage of persons I thought were irresponsible from smoking as "2%". I am not religious in my beliefs… I just told you my best guess, which so far, no one has taken up as, "Oh, that's so anecdotal… you'll never shake your beliefs!"

Do you have a similar figure, or do you just want to complain some more?

[former9thward]

174. What you say is your opinion and anecdotal.

As is mine. So exactly what is the point?

[MrMickeysMom]

254. The point is that you have no intention to add content to what you think...

… which is a waste of both your time and mine. I'm through with this.

[truedelphi]

231. Jerry is far from progressive.

I have suffered for over 32 years on account of his allowing for malathion to be sprayed on us civilians so that a Japanese fruit consortium could count on California fruit growers to deliver on their contracts.

His current day enthusiasm for the Big Delta "Peripheral Tunnel" deal, which could cost 67 billions of dollars is a waste of money, and won't even accomplish one third of the goals a better designed project would achieve.

He is better than some, but I think Ahnold would be better on the marijuana issue.

But Brown's dad was governor, and he had been governor before, and he didn't have to be vetted by her Holiness Di Feinstein.

I pray to live to the see the day when someone like Garamendi (D) could arrive at such a high place in the political world.

[former9thward]

241. I like Brown.

He calls them as he sees them. He gets people to work together. But I am old school.

[truedelphi]

248. I don't doubt for one minute that Brown gets people to work together.

But what I would ask is this: just who is it that those people are working for?

Judging what is happening locally with regards to the hammer smacked into school programs and health programs, while the jails are flush with cash from the state, I think I know who it is that is being supported by the various efforts of people "working together."

[roody]

67. You don't see me. I am a

working professional, one of the most reliable on staff.

[Politicalboi]

137. I was one of the most productive workers

And I smoked pot during working hours. So don't tell me. And I got raises on my performance too, so it wasn't something I imagined. You must just have some lazy friends who like to drink on the side.

[PassingFair]

196. Oh, you have THC-ray vision? You have no idea who's high and who is not.

Really.

[former9thward]

199. Yes I do.

I don't go through life with blinders on.

[PassingFair]

207. You also don't go through life with blood tests on you.

You are ridiculous!

You would have to draw blood from everyone in your path
to ascertain who was "high" or not.

[former9thward]

208. You must live a sheltered life.

[PassingFair]

210. And you must live a delusional one.

With your pot-detecting super powers.

[laundry_queen]

244. ....

that was funny

[Dark n Stormy Knight]

79. Seriously. Judge people on their behavior, not what you think their behavior might be

because of some potential influence.

[phleshdef]

70. I still like Jerry Brown a lot. But he is showing his ignorance on this one.

And so is anyone that is agreeing with him.

Marijuana doesn't turn you into a zombie if you don't want to be a zombie.

[former9thward]

90. Do you think Jerry Brown dropped in from Mars?

He has been around heavy pot smokers all his life. He does not go through life with blinders on as some do. But as I said before: The God of Pot must not be offended. In this thread I have seen Jerry Brown called a fascist. The God of Pot must be appeased...

[seveneyes]

106. Brown told an Obvious lie or he has a severe lack of intelligence

He crawled under the bus and cut the brakes himself.

[former9thward]

108. Is he now a "fascist" as he had been called in this thread?

The God of Pot must be avenged.

[seveneyes]

109. I would not go that far

He is not showing signs of intelligence or common sense. In fact, it may be best if he loses his next election because of his shortcomings.

[LanternWaste]

123. As must the God of Repetitive Stupid Shit must also be invoked... repetitively.

As must the God of Repetitive Stupid Shit must also be invoked... repetitively.

(insert distinction without a difference here...)

[LanternWaste]

121. I guess conflating drug policy and a "god of pot" is mentally convenient...

Post hoc ergo prompter hoc.



I'd guess conflating drug policy and a "god of pot" is indeed, rather convenient for the sub-literate and the under-educated...

[former9thward]

127. So Brown is a fascist?

As he has been called in this thread?

[Sheldon Cooper]

143. lol

[reddread]

162. Its so funny when weapons get pointed at bystanders and fired

its hilarious. never mind how they are supposed to be "non-lethally" applied.
lets go for point blank.
if we're lucky we will j,seriously jack up some military service folks like they did with Occupy.
LOL!
oh it is to LOL!
Pepper Spray the crap out of those students!
Swab their eyes!
Jerry says we can!
LOL!
LOL!

[Sheldon Cooper]

178. dude, back away from the keyboard...

[reddread]

158. uh, yeah. when you sponsor and applaud the most violent of reprisals. yeah.

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0407-06.htm

[former9thward]

161. So we have a fascist heading the biggest state in the OP.

I would think that would be a much more important topic than the one discussed in the OP.

[MindMover]

192. He is just another politician ... however

"Fascism is "a form of political behavior marked by obsessive preoccupation with community decline, humiliation, or victimhood and by compensatory cults of unity, energy, and purity, in which a mass-based party of committed nationalist militants, working in uneasy but effective collaboration with traditional elites, abandons democratic liberties and pursues with redemptive violence and without ethical or legal restraints goals of internal cleansing and external expansion."

[former9thward]

193. Anyone who would describe Brown as a fascist based on his comments is insane.

Or here to disrupt. Simple as that.

[MindMover]

195. I know the definition of insanity and disruption is exactly what you have been doing in this thread

this definition of fascism includes what some on this blog have experienced firsthand in California and other states ...

"working in uneasy but effective collaboration with traditional elites, abandons democratic liberties and pursues with redemptive violence and without ethical or legal restraints goals of internal cleansing and external expansion"

[former9thward]

197. You are doubling down that Brown is a fascist.

Incredible. This is Democratic Underground not Lunatic Underground.

[MindMover]

200. I am not doubling down on anything, I am giving you a definition and you ...

are doubling down on calling me names .... and you refuse to acknowledge facts so ...

I am not going to waste my time pulling police reports and other links showing the current political environment and the defined behavior because I believe you are so ingrained in your beliefs that when the revolution comes to your door, you will say "what revolution"

[former9thward]

203. A poster called Brown a fascist.

Have the guts to agree with that or denounce it. Don't try and play coy by posting from the dictionary.

[reddread]

209. I did, you little mccarthyite, say my name

quit trying to take your inadequacies out on everyone here. People with historical perspectives are either free to form and express an opinion, or they are not. If you are free to insinuate and try to besmirch other posters, and I am not free to point out the fascist aspects of shooting bystanding union members, in THE MOST VIOLENT REPRISAL to GW protestors during the entire GW occupation,
then the word DEMOCRATIC can certainly be struck FROM YOUR MESSAGE BOARD.

[former9thward]

214. I could care less what you post.

But I am free to denounce stupidity. Brown is not a fascist. Period. He has been involved in progressive causes for decades. What have YOU done but call progressives names?

[MindMover]

216. Could you please refrain from name calling and enter your argument or opinion intelligently ...

with openness and clarity, and people might listen and take regard, but your incessant use of names is emotionally fragmenting the discussion ..

[former9thward]

218. Perhaps you only selectively read posts.

I have been called names all though this thread. I don't start name calling but when someone does then I respond in kind. I am not a pacifist.

[reddread]

221. you would hold me accountable but not someone who has punished protesters SEVERELY?

Do you think, after all those high level conference calls organizing the response to Occupy, that the UC Davis Provost was at the root of what happened there? That those militarized, brutal responses in Oakland had no relation to the Governor?
Well, that question is only fair if you care about concerned citizens being brutalized for expressing their feelings, for petitioning for redress.
As far as I can tell, thats not your concern at all.
As to me calling progressives names, there are clearly some more definitions that you need clarified.
As to what I have done, many is the time I would like to say exactly, but since some would surely see it as boasting or
self aggrandizement, which would only distract from the issues I wish to see discussed and more FOCUSED upon,
I demur. You could easily see where I am coming from, if you werent quite so blind with hate and derision.
Maybe someday you will catch a few clues, but it takes a lot less than that to stick in your craw, obviously.

[MindMover]

212. If the govs behavior, defined by someone other than me, elicits being called a fascist ... SoBeIt

Be reminded again, it is not me calling the gov a fascist, because I have not experienced these behaviors personally ... however, I do read and see that others could very well label many of our so-called leaders fascist ... and if you did not read the definition or understand what it said, I am posting it again ...

"effective collaboration with traditional elites, abandons democratic liberties and pursues with redemptive violence and without ethical or legal restraints goals of internal cleansing and external expansion"

[roody]

230. I think the poster was referring to his

tenure as mayor of Oakland.

[former9thward]

239. We didn't have a fascist as Mayor of Oakland.

To imply we did is an insult to the victims of fascism worldwide.

[Throd]

15. Has he even been to California?

The place has been crawling with the marihuana reefer addicts since 1967.

[MindMover]

31. LMAO ... madness I say, madness ... total madness ...

[tabasco]

16. Coward

Fuck him.

[PeoViejo]

17. Yeah, what we need is a bunch of Drunk, Cold Killers

..ready to go to War at the drop of a hat...

[SammyWinstonJack]

19. Ugh.

[MrMickeysMom]

20. You gotta be kidding me… Governor "Moonbeam" … ????

sheesh...

[Champion Jack]

56. Moonbeam is also pro Fracking while his state suffers a terrible drought

Moonbeams lost his shine

[MrMickeysMom]

72. He also lost his mind...

That is just insane. I suppose this is owed to the industry? That's Gov Corbett's excuse here in PA.

[CanSocDem]

112. ...who governs the...

..."world's largest outdoor mental asylum". The rest of Mike Royko's characterization. Spoken like a true Chicagoan...




.

[Iggo]

23. Alcohol's legal. Are we a nation of alcoholics?

No.

We're not.

[nyquil_man]

36. +1 nt

[Nevernose]

26. It's California, Jerry

Anyone who wants to smoke already is. The only effect complete legalization would have is less revenue for drug warriors and more revenue for schools.

[mike_c]

35. +1

Exactly.

[RKP5637]

28. So, following that logic, booze should immediately be banned in CA except for medical

use and as denatured alcohol, and antifreeze products.

How ignorant IMO!

[mike_c]

34. remember, CA has an immense prison population and very powerful police and prison guard lobbies....

The war on drugs fuels their pension plans.

[libdem4life]

58. This ^^^ and their free confiscated stash.

[jsr]

124. Exactly.

[Warren DeMontague]

42. Oh ffs. Potheads like Carl Sagan--- or Steve Jobs?

[Iggo]

46. ...or Jerry Brown?

[jaysunb]

51. +1 n/t

[reddread]

119. no need to insult smokers. Brown is simply STUPID.

If you ever heard his RIDICULOUS radio show, I think you would have to agree.

[MrMickeysMom]

168. Do you think he really smoked?

I doubt he was more than interested than posing with Linda Ronstadt at the time of his 1st "governorship" … Trying to be hip does not equal being hip. I can't imagine he'd have done more than "tried it once" and based on his lack of understanding, probably didn't try it at all…

[reddread]

175. oh that gives me the creeps

somewhere I have pictures of him hugging me in Reno on his 76 Pres campaign.
What an insincere, yet totally ambitious soul.
I expect nightmares from this.

[Iggo]

249. Yes, I think he really smoked.

Mike Curb, too.

[MrMickeysMom]

255. hee-hee...

Apparently, this did nothing to enhance deep thought.

[polichick]

44. Yikes!

[lostincalifornia]

52. No surprise he is coming up for an election.

[lostincalifornia]

55. Does not matter just put it up as a proposition, problem solved

[kestrel91316]

57. As opposed to the nation of drunkards that we currently are..............

[fujiyama]

61. Would he prefer a nation or state of criminals or drunks?

Or those totally addicted to one prescription drug or the other?

The question isn't whether we WANT or don't want people high - it's whether they have the freedom to do so, while not infringing on others' rights. Look, people are going to get high regardless...The state may as well take a cut by taxing the damn thing and at the same time encourage entrepreneurship and a new industry emerging. And just because you're legalizing weed, doesn't mean you have to legalize stoned driving and this doesn't mean corporations will stop drug testing either. So his notion that this somehow hurts alertness is just fallacious too.

[Warren Stupidity]

65. Another privileged boomer who did his drugs back then and now wants to bust everyone.

[MindMover]

69. He is just another politician ...

:hattip

[Lint Head]

76. I usually like Jerry Brown but some things hes says and does is just full of shit.

His relationship with Linda Ronstadt was one of the best things he ever did.

[Trillo]

77. "Pothead" explains his silence when Feds were busting down medical-marijuana

dispensary doors.

[defacto7]

78. If a deity told me I had to make the decision

whether booze or dope were to be legalized... BUT I could only choose one...

I'd choose dope hands down. Abused booze is the winner of the killer, abuser, destroyer of the millennium award. Not that either should be illegal but dope is calm, medicinal, focusing, healthy (in some forms).. and the plant makes damn good rope.

Legalize MJ.... please.

[TheKentuckian]

81. Yawn, Jerry.

[Eleanors38]

252. All new ideas start first in Cal... er, Colorado.

[sabrina 1]

82. He's wrong, if the whole world were potheads, no one would be capable of violence.

[Octafish]

88. !

!!!!!

[Ed Suspicious]

185. I think they might be capable, just disinterested in the destructive notion of it.

[Scuba]

84. Ca. Gov. Jerrry Brown: World is ‘too dangerous’ for a nation of drunks, outlaws booze.

Yeah, that'll work.

[truedelphi]

236. It is funny about the double standard, although not

Funny hah hah.

For some reason, pot growers can be labelled as being destroyers of water and soil. And of promoting a product that stinks as it ripens.

Yet the same people who complain 24/7 about pot willingly embrace the world of big vineyards. Vineyards where the pesticides go down at least four feet. And then contaminate the aquifers.

Vineyards that decimate the landscape so there is no habitat for wildlife.

I spent an afternoon with an elderly friend. She had rented out the acreage adjacent to her home to a vineyard guy. I saw all of one bird alight in any of the foliage that entire afternoon.

[nolkyz]

85. no way man!

Dan Ackroyd's Jimmy Carter said it best: "You are a living creature on the surface of the planet."

[bemildred]

86. Right, it's the dope that is destroying America, not the corrupt, venal politicians. nt

[malaise]

92. Does Jerry Brown know that there rae more persons high on legal

big pharma drugs than on ganja?

[Autumn]

94. As a COLORADOAN (insert happy giggle here) I think the good Governor

from California is an idiot and should chill out.

[SomethingFishy]

133. Hickenlooper wasn't real happy either but

I have to admit once the people spoke he got right on it... We were up and running way sooner and way smoother than I expected. Let's hope Brown follows his example..

[Autumn]

180. True, but Frackenlooper is for it now. Those tax dollars

were like a spoonful of sugar. It impressed me the way he handled it.

[KurtNYC]

95. "The only thing we have to fear is... getting too stoned to be scared shitless 24/7" ?

A pretty weak argument from Brown.

I also note the article calls de-regulation of pot "liberalization" yet plenty of libertarians and Republicans voted to lift prohibition in Colorado and WA since it is consistent with their views on less government regulation of everything.

[kenny blankenship]

101. "I think we need to stay ALERT, if not 24 hours a day"

"So that is why, as chief law enforcement and public health officer of the state of California, I am acting today to fortify our water supply with crystal methamphetamine. "

A visibly shaking Brown continued: "We are going to out-tweak the rest of the world, then out-compete them, and then cut them up into tiny strips! Fuck pot. Fuck all lazy potheads - we will settle for nothing less than World domination. California über alles!"

[sibelian]

110. "...MY AURA SMILES AND NEVER FROWNS...

....SOON I WILL BE PREZZZZZIIIIIDENT."

twang...twang - twanga TWANG

[valerief]

116. Someone should tell the governor about this alcohol stuff. nt

[Feral Child]

122. Had I been born in '79

instead of '49, my ADHD would have been diagnosed and treated (with a different substance more prone to abuse; ie, ritalin.)

My high school grade average was a C- for four years. Every day of school was torture because I was so LAZY!

I discovered cannabis in Viet Nam in '68.

When I returned to school in '72, I was on the Dean's List every semester and got my degree in literature Sigma Cum Laude.

Cannabis helps me focus and keeps my mind from drifting.

[jsr]

125. Hint: California Correctional Peace Officers Association.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Correctional_Peace_Officers_Association

[reddread]

132. BIGGER hint: 2016

guy is definitely a dreamer.
But certainly better at drumming up publicity than Joe Biden.

[tularetom]

131. Legalized weed = fewer prisoners

Fewer prisoners = fewer prison guards

Fewer prison guards = less dues paid to the CCPOA

Less dues to the CCPOA = less contributions to Brown's campaign.

Brown has been in the sack with the prison guards union since forfuckingever. I'd be surprised if he took any other psoition on this issue.

[former9thward]

150. People don't go to prison for weed possession in CA.

How ridiculous. And he certainly does not need some petty contributions from the prison union. He has plenty of money in his campaign fund and will face only nominal opposition anyway. He will win by 30 points and everyone knows it.

[reddread]

176. would you please get something right?

http://www.thehillscenter.com/drug-rehab/three-strikes-law/

[former9thward]

177. Will you please get something right?

Marijuana possession is not charged as a felony in CA. The three strikes law is for felonies. Possession of 28 grams or less is an "infraction" and the maximum penalty is a $100 fine. Please try and stay current with the times. It is 2014.

[reddread]

181. possession is hardly the only possible charge

but you know that.
in fact other criminal charges are being worked up as speak.

[former9thward]

183. I said you don't go to jail for possession in CA.

And I am right. Don't try and move the goalposts and talk about "other criminal charges."

But more importantly. The poster I was replying to said Jerry Brown made his comments because he wants money from the prison guard union. Do you really back that up? Are you really going to double down on that absurd statement?

[reddread]

187. you responded to this post

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4597112

and tried to move the goal posts yourself.

something tells me that whippin you in a discussion isnt gonna mean much.

[former9thward]

188. LOL

If you think you "whipped" me you are living in an alternative universe. Everything I said was a fact. Interestingly you did not respond to the comment about the prison union. So you must agree Brown is basing his pot comments on money from the union.

[tularetom]

202. There are a lot of marijuana related things you can go to prison for besides possession

And before you rattle on about "petty contributions" you might want to check out this article:

http://calwatchdog.com/2011/05/25/jerry-brown-prisoner-of-the-union/

[former9thward]

206. I said possession.

Don't move the goalposts. So you think Brown made his comments because he wants money from the prison union... Ok...

[tularetom]

217. I didn't move no stinking goalposts, you're the one who brought up possession

I have no idea why Brown made his comments, but it's a fact he wants money from the prison guards union and his record indicates that he's taken a lot of it in the past.

And it isn't just Brown that's in the pockets of this union. Ahhnold got bazillions in contributions from them as well. And they have been amply reward in salary and pension increases over the years. It's well documented.

Read the article, dude.

[former9thward]

220. No, I was responding to a poster who said the guards had job security because of marijuana.

And the more guards means the more union dues which means more money for Brown. I said marijuana possession does not give you jail or prison time in CA. And I am right. So that argument the Brown made his comments so more people will go to prison is just ridiculous. More importantly Brown is assured re-election and does not need a dime from the prison union for that.

But go ahead and double down on that comment. Brown wants more people in prison for marijuana so he can get more contributions from the union. Go back up that idiotic statement.

[tularetom]

228. You're a hoot!

[Iggo]

250. But they do go to prison for growing it and selling it.

[SomethingFishy]

134. Jerry Browns complete ignorance of strains of Cannibis and it's effects on people

Make him totally unqualified to make this decision.

His astounding lack on knowledge and insight on this issue only proves that he should let the people of his state decide for themselves.

[Politicalboi]

135. FU Jerry

Then lets get rid of ALL the wineries out here. I HATE booze in ANY form. It has been shown to take innocent lives all for someone's night of fun. It has been shown to cause illness unlike pot that "cures" illness. And again Fuck you Jerry.

[NickB79]

138. But a nation of drunks, that's just fucking A-OK

We've been down this road before, back in the 20's, and we all know how that clusterfuck ended.

Now we're repeating the same bullshit worries today that were bandied about back then.

Wonderful.

[jmowreader]

139. If by potheads he means lazy people, he's right

Pot, however, doesn't remove your ambition: some people never had any.

Seriously, guys: what's the difference between a lazy mooch who drinks, one who only smokes cigarettes, one who only drinks coffee, one who uses no mind altering substances, and one who smokes weed? In practical terms, none at all: useless is useless.

The anti weed brigade has a big problem: now that it's legal in Colorado, productive people who like pot will be able to show their faces in broad daylight.

[City Lights]

140. Oh brother.

Yes, legitimize pot and California goes to shit because everyone will be stoned 24/7.

[Excelsyor]

144. Brown exaggerates

Pot is not a dangerous drug. It actually cures diseases.

[haele]

189. And it's also too dangerous for a nation of drunks - be they wet or dry. Example: the Bush Admin.

A nation of drunks drive a country down a dark highway with the headlights off. That never has a good ending.

He's right in one way - I know both the stereotypical pot-head, and the pot smoker who is functional, and the pot head is usually going nowhere fast until he or she hits the wall of self-rightgeous "former pot-head-dom" (I call it the "Peter Pan Thinks He's Grown Up Syndrome&quot .
The few older pot-heads I know that never reached that are barely functional - rainbros who are happy so long as they have their toys and a couch to crash on, but frankly - unless they've inherited money, or otherwised lucked out at the lottery or with a "sugar-parent", they've got little to no future when they can no longer get by on the minimum wage or day-labor existance they have.

This is totally different than the majority of pot smokers I know who haven't slipped into pot-head-dom. The people who are functional and can hold down good jobs and raise families while using pot to just take the edge off occasionally.

So, yeah - the Gov's statement can be used as a broad brush against Marijuana, just as Justin Beiber and Linsey Lohan are broad-brush examples of people who drink alcohol. But that doesn't make it untrue.

Haele

[theaocp]

204. If the governor truly believes what he's spouting

he must be in favor of re-prohibiting alcohol. It causes endless fatalities every fucking year, so he should put his money where his mouth is or shut the fuck up. Yesterday. What an absolutely ignorant coward.

[truedelphi]

237. Jerry, it is not up to you. It is up

To the voters in California.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

240. Oh get a sense of perspective Governor

I'm a Washington State voter who voted yes to legalize marijuana and I have absolutely no desire to get stoned. That's a stage of my life I passed by long time ago.

Rather it's a matter of getting one's priorities right. This nation has spent too much money and given away too many of our rights in the war on drugs.

[Phlem]

247. I will have to say

The instances of ignorance through out this post is breathtaking.

Thanks for shining the light.

-p

[Eleanors38]

253. A nation of drunks, he says.