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madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
Sun Mar 2, 2014, 10:04 PM Mar 2014

Video of Chicago teachers being treated like children in meeting. It's humiliating.

Professional Development meetings, sometimes called In-Service, are supposed to be offering up intelligent new developments in the field of education. Looks like someone in the back of the room took this video.


Published on Feb 17, 2014
This presenter was one of several consultants flown in from California and the United Kingdom for the Chicago Public Schools' Office of Strategic School Support Services' special network. This is a professional development for teachers of Saturday ISAT preparation classes.


This woman actually gets paid for this terrible presentation.

From CBS News Chicago:

In Video, Consultant Treats CPS Teachers Like Small Children

CHICAGO (CBS) — A video posted on You Tube apparently shows a consultant running a professional development seminar and treating Chicago Public School teachers like kindergartners.

The woman running the class on several occasions in the one-minute video asks the group of teachers to repeat single-words, or short phrases, back to her.

Consultant: “So repeat after me. We will”

Class: “We will”

Consultant: “Use”

Class: “Use”

Consultant: “Accurately”

Class: “Accurately”

Consultant: “Grade appropriate”

Class: “Grade appropriate”

Consultant: “General academic”

Class: “General academic”

Consultant: “In domain specific words.”

Class: “In domain specific words.”

Consultant: “And phrases”

Class: “And phrases”


Just like little children being asked to memorize something.

Canadian Education blogger Joe Bower had a whole lot more to say. He's right.

Here is what Education Hell looks like

He makes 4 valid points.

1. Roller coaster of emotions. I experienced a roller coaster of emotions as I watched this apocalyptic video. First, I was in shock. I couldn't believe this was happening. Second, I was angry. I couldn't imagine sitting in that classroom chanting without speaking up or walking out. Third, I was profoundly sad. If this is the nature of education reform and the future of our schools then I want nothing to do with it. Lastly, I am energized and hopeful. The only thing that cancerous education policies and practices need to survive is for good teachers to say and do nothing.

2. This is not Professional Development. This is at best a very poor inservice. This is precisely why teachers need a powerful Union that has a strong Professional Association focus to make sure that teachers have control over their own professional learning.

3. Teaching or testing? Teaching to the test and excessive test preparation invalidates inferences that can be drawn from the scores – yet they are the inevitable response to pressure to produce good test scores.


Leaving out #4 to add his last paragraph, to which I think the answer is yes...unfortunately.

One last bonus horror: Is this being done to the teachers to encourage them to return to their classrooms and do exactly this to their students?


Before I retired this kind of mindless stuff was already beginning. Our last few development days were jokes. We were all stifling laughter, or perhaps tears as well.

Wasted time, wasted money to that consultant, and even worse degrading to the teachers.

That is not just Rahm's Chicago school system (yes it is his because he has mayoral control). It is happening on various scales around the country.





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Video of Chicago teachers being treated like children in meeting. It's humiliating. (Original Post) madfloridian Mar 2014 OP
Wow. Bonobo Mar 2014 #1
"video is a testament really to a sort of death of education" madfloridian Mar 2014 #2
+1000 Useless in FL Mar 2014 #3
We need a version of the song "Another Brick in the Wall" - to defend the teachers! reformist2 Mar 2014 #16
Just another brick in the wall... zeemike Mar 2014 #21
Good. Now we need a video, complete with teachers being shoved into a cartoon meat grinder. reformist2 Mar 2014 #22
Can't do that for you zeemike Mar 2014 #33
another example of private contractors/consultants sucking $$ out of the kids' pockets nt msongs Mar 2014 #4
So true. madfloridian Mar 2014 #54
Horrifying. This is how to keep anyone with any brains, imagination, love of learning, enough Mar 2014 #5
Administrators jump on these idiotic pundit bandwagons. charmay Mar 2014 #6
Not me, but thanks for lumping Lifelong Protester Mar 2014 #14
I had to turn it off--been through too many PDs like that. knitter4democracy Mar 2014 #7
Somebody got paid to do that? nt msanthrope Mar 2014 #8
What would happen if a teacher just called in sick for one of these stupid days? bluestateguy Mar 2014 #9
Can't. Not anymore. Not in a big city system like Chi. or NYC. Smarmie Doofus Mar 2014 #52
The urge to feed their families is strong. jsr Mar 2014 #56
More like In Disservice kairos12 Mar 2014 #10
Ugh. These teachers are professionals! What a load of crap they're enduring. riderinthestorm Mar 2014 #11
Our class days started at 8:30. We had to be in the building at 7:55. Hoppy Mar 2014 #12
I wouldn't talk to that to Lifelong Protester Mar 2014 #13
Bureaucratic gobbeldygook run amok! reformist2 Mar 2014 #15
They get fed a cookie after each correct response. Downwinder Mar 2014 #17
...... madfloridian Mar 2014 #19
Pavlov's Psychological Conditioning. DhhD Mar 2014 #27
This is the kind of professional development I called in sick for kmlisle Mar 2014 #18
Sounds like a Scientology session. lumpy Mar 2014 #20
Authoritarian GARBAGE. woo me with science Mar 2014 #23
Yes, that is chilling. Much like KIPP schools and their SLANT use. madfloridian Mar 2014 #32
That "teacher" wouldn't want me in that room... Junkdrawer Mar 2014 #24
It is sickening. cate94 Mar 2014 #25
The right wing attempts to corporatize schools have turned schools to shit. nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #26
Including the right wing within the Democratic Party. nt woo me with science Mar 2014 #67
They've been led right along with that mouth-taping former teacher, GOP Michelle Rhee Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #69
Who is in charge of Chicago again? vi5 Mar 2014 #76
Who in the country is running the propaganda against schools again? Tell me. nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #79
Arne Duncan for one. vi5 Mar 2014 #80
stunning.. what a colossal waste of time and money. mountain grammy Mar 2014 #28
Obama's BFF, Chicago mayor Rahm Emanuel's Minority-Bashing School Closings to save $$$ Divernan Mar 2014 #29
Rahm also like Nickelback, and instagrams crappy bathroom mirror selfies and pics of his food daily. Erose999 Mar 2014 #72
WTF is this shit? blackspade Mar 2014 #30
Rahm's education policies make things worse in public schools; but not for HIS kids. Divernan Mar 2014 #31
Now they know how the children feel in institutionalized education. joshcryer Mar 2014 #34
Most teachers don't want "institutionalized education." madfloridian Mar 2014 #64
My daughter is treated to similar humiliation in Arizona. Cheese4TheRat Mar 2014 #35
How sad. Enthusiast Mar 2014 #36
Maybe this ISAT prep session is why teachers there refuse to give ISAT?? madfloridian Mar 2014 #37
Anyone else catch the Ultimate Irony? Junkdrawer Mar 2014 #38
K&R DeSwiss Mar 2014 #39
+1 lunasun Mar 2014 #81
I am so sorry that no one in the classroom SheilaT Mar 2014 #40
They already did. Remember the Chicago teachers' strike...I think last year? madfloridian Mar 2014 #47
Except, it doesn't look as if the teachers in the video SheilaT Mar 2014 #49
Sometimes silence simply means they are desperate to keep their jobs. madfloridian Mar 2014 #53
It's a huge dilemma, and far too many workers SheilaT Mar 2014 #58
the isat thing is a quirk. mopinko Mar 2014 #78
Seems like REPUBLCIANS yuiyoshida Mar 2014 #41
Actually the upcoming Common Core testing is supported by Democratic leaders. madfloridian Mar 2014 #42
I would not be surprised to see future yuiyoshida Mar 2014 #43
Agree we do need a Democratic government. madfloridian Mar 2014 #46
Republicans? This video shows what's going on in an urban ps system run by a DEMOCRATIC mayor... Smarmie Doofus Mar 2014 #51
And a Democratic mayor, Rahm. madfloridian Mar 2014 #57
so um.... yuiyoshida Mar 2014 #73
Of course. n/t Smarmie Doofus Mar 2014 #74
What party is in charge of Chicago again? vi5 Mar 2014 #77
You are asking a resident of San Francisco yuiyoshida Mar 2014 #82
Here's a hint: vi5 Mar 2014 #83
Unbelievable. jsr Mar 2014 #44
Oh my God, that is painful. progressoid Mar 2014 #45
I still can't pick my jaw up off the floor TorchTheWitch Mar 2014 #48
That was a terrible, dumbing-down presentation. pacalo Mar 2014 #50
The worst part is that the instructor goes on forever with this poorly thought out pledge! reformist2 Mar 2014 #55
I don't think much of the teachers who allowed this to happen. They must really be demoralized. nt kelliekat44 Mar 2014 #59
I am sorry that 2 on this thread blame the teachers. madfloridian Mar 2014 #63
Damned if they do, damned if they don't. One thing for sure.... Smarmie Doofus Mar 2014 #75
Dreadful...thanks for posting this MF... KoKo Mar 2014 #60
I'm looking at the soda can on Le Taz Hot Mar 2014 #61
Probably makes at least twice as much as any teacher sitting in the room too. Starry Messenger Mar 2014 #62
.... madfloridian Mar 2014 #65
Our curriculum director is a former kindergarten teacher... Jokerman Mar 2014 #66
The last principal I had talked to all of us that way. madfloridian Mar 2014 #68
I'd have put the woman on Attu. raven mad Mar 2014 #70
Duncan and the man who hired him - TBF Mar 2014 #71

Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
1. Wow.
Sun Mar 2, 2014, 10:09 PM
Mar 2014

How to describe the level of stupidity and ignorance, the lack of grace, respect or awareness represented in that video?

Teachers give so much more than of themselves than can be quantified. To treat them this way... ugh, it is reprehensible.

But more so, this video is a testament really to a sort of death of education, a massive organizational idiocy that almost defies description.

Utterly, utterly shocking.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
2. "video is a testament really to a sort of death of education"
Sun Mar 2, 2014, 10:14 PM
Mar 2014

I agree. It is called education "reform".

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
21. Just another brick in the wall...
Sun Mar 2, 2014, 11:15 PM
Mar 2014

We don't need no education
We don't need no thought control
No dark sarcasm in the classroom
Admin leave them Teachers alone
Hey Admin leave them Teachers alone
All in all it's just another brick in the wall
All in all you're just another brick in the wall

There you go, just change two words.

enough

(13,254 posts)
5. Horrifying. This is how to keep anyone with any brains, imagination, love of learning,
Sun Mar 2, 2014, 10:20 PM
Mar 2014

love of children, self-respect, or respect for education, from ever even thinking of becoming a teacher.

charmay

(525 posts)
6. Administrators jump on these idiotic pundit bandwagons.
Sun Mar 2, 2014, 10:26 PM
Mar 2014

My last few years of teaching were full of similar inservices. A teacher could never develop any decent curriculum because we were constantly having to change to keep in line with the latest "expert".

knitter4democracy

(14,350 posts)
7. I had to turn it off--been through too many PDs like that.
Sun Mar 2, 2014, 10:30 PM
Mar 2014

I used to teach in a turn-around school, and yes, we had trainings like that. They were awful, and we all were rolling our eyes and storing up our anger to vent it later with each other.

Oh, and yes, that's exactly how they want us to teach, by the way. It's called checking for understanding by some, and it's seriously disturbing.

bluestateguy

(44,173 posts)
9. What would happen if a teacher just called in sick for one of these stupid days?
Sun Mar 2, 2014, 10:44 PM
Mar 2014

It would probably be too much of a PITA for administrators to pursue it.

 

Hoppy

(3,595 posts)
12. Our class days started at 8:30. We had to be in the building at 7:55.
Sun Mar 2, 2014, 10:50 PM
Mar 2014

About twice each month, we were required to listen to some horse's ass with similar stuff.... not as bad or disheartening as the video but as useless.

kmlisle

(276 posts)
18. This is the kind of professional development I called in sick for
Sun Mar 2, 2014, 10:59 PM
Mar 2014

Only I would call in sick and then come in to catch up on my work in the classroom. Someone finally pointed out that I could have stayed home, but one of the most frustrating things about this kind of PD is that you are sitting there listening to a useless high priced speaker when you desperately need time to grade papers and work in your room on planning and for me setting up and taking down experiments since I taught science.

My tactic caught on at my school with folks like me who had lots of sick leave. Luckily although our administrators knew what we were doing, they never called us on it - I think because they were sympathetic.

There was also some wonderful PD in our district and we knew which ones to make sure we did not miss and which ones were total B*%#t and appropriate for a sick day.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
32. Yes, that is chilling. Much like KIPP schools and their SLANT use.
Sun Mar 2, 2014, 11:54 PM
Mar 2014

And the finger snapping, and other sounds.

SLANT:

Sit Up.

Listen.

Ask & Answer Questions.

Nod Your Head.

Track the Speaker.

If used as a system of obey or be punished, it is total compliance technique. That is not natural. The ideas are good, but never meant to be applied so rigidly.

Sarah Ibarruri

(21,043 posts)
69. They've been led right along with that mouth-taping former teacher, GOP Michelle Rhee
Mon Mar 3, 2014, 04:55 PM
Mar 2014

Michelle Rhee is one of the standard-bearers in the movement to truly f*** up schools in this country till they're all corporatized and eventually shut down. (And yes, she is Republican, she was a teacher, and she really DID tape kids' mouths shut in her classes).

Fondness is not a word that can be applied to what I think of conservative Democrats. I think of them the way I do Republicans, because they do similar damage. Perhaps not as savagely, but when they do head-bobbing along with Republicans, it makes me quite sick to the belly.

 

vi5

(13,305 posts)
80. Arne Duncan for one.
Mon Mar 3, 2014, 10:44 PM
Mar 2014

Michele Rhee of whom our Democratic president is a fan of, as is the mayor of Chicago! Rahman Emmanuel the presidents former right hand man. It would seem to me that all of those folks have a lot more power and culpability in this situation than any Republican.

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
29. Obama's BFF, Chicago mayor Rahm Emanuel's Minority-Bashing School Closings to save $$$
Sun Mar 2, 2014, 11:44 PM
Mar 2014

But surely, if even one of Obama's ardent fans would forward a clip of this to the White House, he'd immediately call Rahm and tell him to stop this practice! Well . . . . perhaps not. When the Obama family lived in Chicago, their daughters went to the elite University of Chicago laboratory school. And quelle surprise! That's where Rahm chose to send his kids as well! They don't need no stinkin' public schools where teachers' pay is tied to test scores.

The decision where to send your kids to school is a personal one, but it is worth publicly noting what public officials, who support test-based school reform (including Obama's main initiative, "Race to the Top&quot choose to do with their own children when given a choice.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/answer-sheet/post/chicago-mayor-rahm-emanuel-chooses-private-school-for-kids/2011/07/21/gIQAzES7RI_blog.html
Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel chooses private school for kids
By Valerie Strauss

Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel, who strongly supports school reform that centers on standardized test-based accountability for students, schools and teachers, has decided to send his children to a private school that doesn’t obsess on standardized tests. Emanuel, who served in the White House as President Obama’s chief of staff for a few years, and his wife have chosen, according to a local radio station CBS News 2 in Chicago, to send their three children to the prestigious University of Chicago Laboratory Schools in Hyde Park.

Obama and now Emanuel opted for schools that do not require teachers to spend hours a week drilling kids to pass standardized tests, and they don’t evaluate teachers by how well their students do on those assessments. Education Secretary Arne Duncan and his wife send their children to Arlington public schools in Virginia.

Neither the Arlington Public School system, nor Sidwell, nor The Lab Schools, assess teachers by student standardized test grades, which is a bad idea sweeping the country, encouraged by the Obama administration.

When a veteran teacher asked Sidwell whether its ties teacher pay to test scores, he received this response from a faculty member on April 1, 2011: “We don’t tie teacher pay to test scores because we don’t believe them to be a reliable indicator of teacher effectiveness.” Sidwell knows better. The Lab Schools know better. The Arlington Public School District knows better.




Here's an article from last summer's Nation, titled:
RAHM EMANUEL'S MINORITY-BASHING SCHOOL CLOSINGS GO FORWARD

Today was the first day of school in Chicago—and a profound setback for Chicago’s forces of decency. Fifty fewer schools will be in operation this term, with 2,113 fewer staffers, a colossal injustice I’ve written about here and here and here and here. The school closings are going forward because ten days ago Federal District Judge John Z. Lee denied the attempt to get a preliminary injunction to prevent it. A week before that ruling, I spoke with one of the lawyers who brought the suit, Thomas Geoghegan, for my monthly interview series at Chicago’s Seminary Co-op Bookstore in Hyde Park—where I and my audience deepened our sense of just how mad and malign Mayor Rahm Emanuel’s schools agenda truly is.[
/blockquote]
http://www.thenation.com/blog/175902/school-daze-rahm-emanuels-minority-bashing-school-closings-go-forward

Erose999

(5,624 posts)
72. Rahm also like Nickelback, and instagrams crappy bathroom mirror selfies and pics of his food daily.
Mon Mar 3, 2014, 06:13 PM
Mar 2014


Seriously though, to hell with Rahmbo. Him and the other corpra-dems should be banished from the Democratic party.

blackspade

(10,056 posts)
30. WTF is this shit?
Sun Mar 2, 2014, 11:52 PM
Mar 2014

Repeating after the instructor?
Seriously?

That instructor has no business being in front of teachers.

I can tell I wouldn't survive long as a school teacher. This is bullshit.

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
31. Rahm's education policies make things worse in public schools; but not for HIS kids.
Sun Mar 2, 2014, 11:54 PM
Mar 2014

Meanwhile, Emanuel was none too happy about being asked about the choice of school for his children, as shown when he stormed out of an interview with Mary Ann Ahern of NBC Chicago.

You can read her account of the moment, but here’s one part of it, a retelling of the conversation she had when she called him back after hours after he left the interview in a huff. Wrote Ahern:

http://www.nbcchicago.com/blogs/ward-room/When-Rahms-Temper-Made-a-Comeback-125919838.html

“I look forward to our future interview,” he said before unclipping his lanyard microphone and dropping it to the floor, and walking out of his office. I asked my camera man to stop rolling.
As I tried to explain further, Emanuel doubled back. He looked directly at my two college interns, and said, "You are my witnesses."

Then, the Mayor of Chicago positioned himself inches from my face and pointed his finger directly at my head. He raised his voice and admonished me. How dare I ask where his children would go to school! "You've done this before," he said.

This was the Emanuel we had heard about, and it was one of the oddest moments in my 29 years of reporting.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/answer-sheet/post/chicago-mayor-rahm-emanuel-chooses-private-school-for-kids/2011/07/21/gIQAzES7RI_blog.html
“My children are private and you will not do this," he said into the receiver.
“He said other children of public figures - Chelsea Clinton and the Obama girls - have been kept out of the public eye, despite media attention on the admission to the Sidwell Friends Academy in Washington D.C. I tried to explain he had a point, but their parents too had to answer the question of what school they would attend. No one is trying to have lunch with the first children.
I also let him know that I felt wronged and bullied during his earlier tirade. “You are wrong and a bully," Emanuel fired back. "I care deeply for my family. I don't care about you." With that, he hung up the phone.

Quite the temper tantrum.
As I said earlier, where to send a child to school is a personal family choice.
My two daughters went to a private school, too, Georgetown Day School in Washington D.C., a city with a public school system that has long had what I consider an unhealthy obsession with standardized tests. (Of course, I’m not trying to shove high-stakes testing policies down anyone’s throat.)
The problem is not testing itself. What is corrupting public education is the high stakes that are put on the results of standardized tests. In Chicago, Emanuel’s commitment to this will only make things worse in the public schools. But not for his kids.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
64. Most teachers don't want "institutionalized education."
Mon Mar 3, 2014, 11:49 AM
Mar 2014

This is part of the new "reforms" under Arne Duncan.

 

Cheese4TheRat

(107 posts)
35. My daughter is treated to similar humiliation in Arizona.
Mon Mar 3, 2014, 12:22 AM
Mar 2014

The fact is our nation no longer cares to be educated.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
37. Maybe this ISAT prep session is why teachers there refuse to give ISAT??
Mon Mar 3, 2014, 12:36 AM
Mar 2014
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024577932

Parents and students fighting back also.

Chicago Public Schools chief Barbara Byrd-Bennett has threatened to discipline any teacher who refuses to administer an annual state achievement test next week, according to a letter obtained by the Chicago Sun-Times.

The letter, sent out Thursday to principals, claims teachers could face the harshest repercussion from boycotting the test — losing their state education certification.

On test day, teachers will be ordered to leave the school building if they refuse to administer the Illinois Standards Achievement Test, according to the letter.

....“Barbara Byrd-Bennett and CPS are afraid of us speaking up — of us voicing our opinion on how these tests are unjust,” said Sarah Chambers, a special education teacher at Saucedo. “We already discussed the potential repercussions and we know that what we are doing is right.”

Junkdrawer

(27,993 posts)
38. Anyone else catch the Ultimate Irony?
Mon Mar 3, 2014, 12:37 AM
Mar 2014

What was she spoon feeding?

"We will ... use ... grade appropriate ..."

 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
39. K&R
Mon Mar 3, 2014, 12:37 AM
Mar 2014
“We do not merely destroy our enemies, we change them. Do you understand what I mean by that”

“When finally you surrender to us, it must be of your own free will. We do not destroy the heretic because he resists us: so long as he resists us we never destroy him. We convert him, we capture his inner mind, we reshape him.”

“In our own day they are not fighting against one another at all. The war is waged by each ruling group against its own subjects, and the object of the war is not to make or prevent conquests of territory, but to keep the structure of society intact.”

“They could be made to accept the most flagrant violations of reality, because they never fully grasped the enormity of what was demanded of them, and were not sufficiently interested in public events to notice what was happening. By lack of understanding they remained sane.”


~George Orwell, 1984


- I'm still not sure if it is art imitating life, or life imitating art. It's probably a little of both......
 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
40. I am so sorry that no one in the classroom
Mon Mar 3, 2014, 12:38 AM
Mar 2014

refused to participate in this bullshit.

More and more I'm understanding that the way to get change is to stand up and say: No. I won't tolerate this crap.

Everyone needs to be willing to do that. It's hard, because jobs may be on the line.

While it's not quite the same thing, one interesting fallout of having attended college on and off my adult life is this: By the time I was about thirty I simply would not put up with the stuff teachers dealt out to the students. By age 30 I was as old, or nearly as old as many of the professors. I tried not to be too obnoxious, but I also made it very clear I wouldn't tolerate certain crap. Oh, I did the work. I came to every class, I always did my homework, but I wouldn't do time-wasting stuff.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
47. They already did. Remember the Chicago teachers' strike...I think last year?
Mon Mar 3, 2014, 02:05 AM
Mar 2014

Those teachers are fighting back in so many ways. Two schools are refusing to give the ISAT test, and parents and students are joining them.

That was what this training session was about....how to prepare for the ISAT which no longer counts.

Frankly I sat through my share of idiotic in-service. I did not have the courage to walk out....as I was so near retirement. We had a principal who attacked us for far less than that.

Here is an article about the teachers refusing to give the ISAT.

http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/Teachers-at-Second-Chicago-School-Refused-to-Administer-ISAT-247950801.html

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
49. Except, it doesn't look as if the teachers in the video
Mon Mar 3, 2014, 04:25 AM
Mar 2014

did anything other than sit there and repeat what they were told to say.

Don't get me wrong. The push back against testing is a good start. But only a start.

I was fortunate enough to send my kids to an independent school. There was no teaching to the test. New content was being taught as late as the next to the last day of classes. Class size was no more than 15 students, and often a lot less in high school. I saw what schools should be like, were we only to fund them properly.

The other thing I was struck by was how happy the teachers were. Don't get me wrong. My kids attended public schools in three different states before we made the switch to an independent school. Overall, the vast majority of teachers were dedicated to their jobs and to teaching kids. There were exceptions, of course, and they had a disproportionate impact on the kids. But I digress. In the independent school the teachers were just as dedicated and noticeably happier than their counterparts in the public schools. And were paid less money But they knew they had the support of parents and administration, which mattered a great deal.

I've been saying this for years, but workers in all jobs need to be willing to walk out, to stand up to management, to take the chance they'll lose the job, but they need to do what's right. It is the reason we need unions, of course. But I'm reminded of the saying that goes something like: all that's needed for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.

Another quote: Silence implies assent.

To do nothing, to say nothing, is to acquiesce.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
53. Sometimes silence simply means they are desperate to keep their jobs.
Mon Mar 3, 2014, 09:54 AM
Mar 2014

Is it right or wrong to feel that way? When the goal of the mayor is to simply to close school public schools and open charters....I really do understand. In fact charters can be more rote and rinse and repeat than what's in the video.

I am sorry you seem to be blaming the teachers who are caught in the middle of Democratic mayor Rahm Emanuel's horrible mess.

I don't know what else to say. Chicago teachers are fighting back more than most.

I would say give them a break.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
58. It's a huge dilemma, and far too many workers
Mon Mar 3, 2014, 11:24 AM
Mar 2014

face such "choices", not just teachers. Unfortunately.

mopinko

(69,983 posts)
78. the isat thing is a quirk.
Mon Mar 3, 2014, 09:31 PM
Mar 2014

it is being fazed out, but the federal law (nclb) requires that it be given.
next year it will be replaced, so there will be nothing to compare this years isat to to evaluate yty progress.

some systems asked for and got a waiver. chi did not.

yuiyoshida

(41,818 posts)
41. Seems like REPUBLCIANS
Mon Mar 3, 2014, 01:03 AM
Mar 2014

Don't want kids to go to school or enjoy it.. They don't want them to work or get unemployment. They do love it when they go into the military...AND GET KILLED in some far off land. THEY come home in a neatly wrapped box with the American flag on it, and guess what...that's another person they don't have to worry about. As for those who come back wounded, send them on a few tours until they come back in a box gift wrapped.

This can really make you hate Republicans..because this is pretty much what they want.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
42. Actually the upcoming Common Core testing is supported by Democratic leaders.
Mon Mar 3, 2014, 01:07 AM
Mar 2014

The education reform movement which puts teachers in such difficult positions is the policy of this administration. Their stated policy is to turnaround schools into charters, usually run by private companies. They agree to giving our taxpayer money to these companies....public money to private entities.

So they do not get off the hook.

yuiyoshida

(41,818 posts)
43. I would not be surprised to see future
Mon Mar 3, 2014, 01:13 AM
Mar 2014

Republican governments wanting to reinstate the draft. Seriously, we need a democratic President and Congress, Senate for a long time to come..or everyone including women, will be drafted to go fight in some far off land for ...oil or what ever resource the Republicans can get their hands on.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
46. Agree we do need a Democratic government.
Mon Mar 3, 2014, 01:54 AM
Mar 2014

That's for sure. I have wondered if they were likely to reinstate the draft. I think they might not because they are becoming so dependent on technology like drones.

 

Smarmie Doofus

(14,498 posts)
51. Republicans? This video shows what's going on in an urban ps system run by a DEMOCRATIC mayor...
Mon Mar 3, 2014, 08:07 AM
Mar 2014

....implementing ( with enthusiasm ) the policies of a DEMOCRATIC president.

"Republicans"?!?


Wow.

 

vi5

(13,305 posts)
77. What party is in charge of Chicago again?
Mon Mar 3, 2014, 09:06 PM
Mar 2014

And what was the mayor's previous job? Who did he work for again?

You'll have to remind me because I'm drawing a blank here.

 

vi5

(13,305 posts)
83. Here's a hint:
Tue Mar 4, 2014, 10:16 AM
Mar 2014

(It's Democrats.......to be specific it's mayor Rahm Emmanuel, President Obama's former right hand man and superfan of the Michelle Rhee school of bashing teachers/teachers unions.)

TorchTheWitch

(11,065 posts)
48. I still can't pick my jaw up off the floor
Mon Mar 3, 2014, 02:56 AM
Mar 2014

I expected it to be horrible, but THIS??? How on earth they put up with that is beyond me.



pacalo

(24,721 posts)
50. That was a terrible, dumbing-down presentation.
Mon Mar 3, 2014, 04:48 AM
Mar 2014

This is a wise, excellent OP. I always read your opinions whenever I see them.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
63. I am sorry that 2 on this thread blame the teachers.
Mon Mar 3, 2014, 11:46 AM
Mar 2014

There is just so much of that going around right now. Even our president and Sec of Education appear to have very low opinions of teachers in public schools. They speak at charters, TFA reunions, and save words of criticism for public school teachers.

The atmosphere in Chicago is toxic toward teachers right now. The supt has threatened retaliation for those who are refusing to give the useless test now.

I guess I am not surprised that some here would think those teachers should just hop right up and leave the room. It sounds like a great idea. I wonder how many other workers in other fields would be criticized for not walking out. Esp in this economy.

Yes, they are totally completely demoralized, as are teachers all over this country. And no....it is not just the Republicans doing it to them.

 

Smarmie Doofus

(14,498 posts)
75. Damned if they do, damned if they don't. One thing for sure....
Mon Mar 3, 2014, 09:01 PM
Mar 2014

... lots of convenient victim-blaming when it comes to DUers trying to rationalize Obama's contemptible "Newt Gringrichian" education policy.

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
61. I'm looking at the soda can on
Mon Mar 3, 2014, 11:41 AM
Mar 2014

that guy's desk and thinking, "I bet I could get a clear shot."

Holy shit. I don't even teach CHILDREN like that. Hell, that's not teaching, that's rote. Apparently this teacher has never had cognitive rigor training.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
65. ....
Mon Mar 3, 2014, 01:44 PM
Mar 2014

Those consultants make a lot more. And they often know nothing about kids or teaching methods. This lady was one of the worst I have seen.

Jokerman

(3,518 posts)
66. Our curriculum director is a former kindergarten teacher...
Mon Mar 3, 2014, 04:36 PM
Mar 2014

she talks to EVERYONE like they were 5 years old.

Most people try to tune her out completely.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
68. The last principal I had talked to all of us that way.
Mon Mar 3, 2014, 04:54 PM
Mar 2014

A nightmare principal. First one I ever had like that. Came in about the time Jeb became governor, and we were not allowed to criticize his policies.

Before that time I had felt respected as a teacher. That all changed, glad I could retire.

TBF

(32,000 posts)
71. Duncan and the man who hired him -
Mon Mar 3, 2014, 05:49 PM
Mar 2014

that would be Obama - share full responsibility for this.

It is repulsive.

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