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fried eggs

(910 posts)
Wed Mar 5, 2014, 11:43 PM Mar 2014

Florida man had sex with pit bull as neighbors begged him to stop

Shocked neighbors begged and pleaded as they watched a Florida man have sex with a pit bull in his yard, The Tampa Tribune is reporting.

Bernard Marsonek, 57, of Tampa was arrested Wednesday morning and charged with aggravated animal cruelty, sexual activity involving animals and two counts of being a felon in possession of a firearm, according to the Hillsborough County Sheriff's Office.

Locals who saw the alleged sex act yelled at Marsonek but he ignored them. Witnesses flagged down an officer who interviewed and arrested Marsonek.

Eight pit bulls were taken from the home.



Read Full Story: http://www.orlandosentinel.com/features/blogs/gone-viral/os-florida-man-sex-dog-20140305,0,3768863.post

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Florida man had sex with pit bull as neighbors begged him to stop (Original Post) fried eggs Mar 2014 OP
It had to be Florida again, didn't it? RandySF Mar 2014 #1
You would, would you? pipoman Mar 2014 #5
Go ahead. RandySF Mar 2014 #8
Hmm, how very liberal of you... pipoman Mar 2014 #13
There are sick people, and then there are dangerous people. This guy is the latter. Ex Lurker Mar 2014 #43
Maybe pipoman Mar 2014 #66
this guy is both! nt kelliekat44 Mar 2014 #71
How Sharia justice-y of you. Luminous Animal Mar 2014 #37
You are as warped as him, bet you miss the lynching days. nt Logical Mar 2014 #89
I was guessing meth, then I saw the booking photo at the link. LeftyMom Mar 2014 #2
Holy crap Aerows Mar 2014 #10
This message was self-deleted by its author steve2470 Mar 2014 #3
Pity that he didn't get "it" bitten off. n/t Crunchy Frog Mar 2014 #4
My thought... 3catwoman3 Mar 2014 #27
Without informed assent, it is rape. Luminous Animal Mar 2014 #38
How does a dog give informed consent? demwing Mar 2014 #80
In some animals it does look like assault Shivering Jemmy Mar 2014 #111
Someone actually alerted on this kcr Mar 2014 #48
Wow, I got alerted on! I think this may be a first, and I'm feeling really flattered. Crunchy Frog Mar 2014 #50
Wow, there is something really sick about Florida. B Calm Mar 2014 #6
It has meth written all over it Aerows Mar 2014 #12
For as much meth addiction pipoman Mar 2014 #22
You would have to mentally ill Aerows Mar 2014 #52
This message was self-deleted by its author Aerows Mar 2014 #57
Oh, please! eridani Mar 2014 #67
I remember that, they had group things. giftedgirl77 Mar 2014 #74
The sad thing is years later the guy videotaping it is still abusing animals. In_The_Wind Mar 2014 #77
Yeah, because it went for Obama twice. Has to be. Eleanors38 Mar 2014 #70
A dog fucker AND a gun owner? Oh, Florida, you're full of surprises. JaneyVee Mar 2014 #7
Bet he gets more time than Zimmerman. I just had to go there. nt kelliekat44 Mar 2014 #72
Fucking pit bulls. Silent3 Mar 2014 #9
Wonder if that's his real name Spirochete Mar 2014 #11
"Florida man".... Historic NY Mar 2014 #14
Eh jsr Mar 2014 #16
Looked didn't you....... Historic NY Mar 2014 #17
Yep Warren DeMontague Mar 2014 #46
hahahahahaha.....nt Cali_Democrat Mar 2014 #53
Thyroid disease will make the eyes bulge like that. n/t DebJ Mar 2014 #126
Have you ever seen the Florida Man twitter account? LeftyMom Mar 2014 #18
Disgusting. mimi85 Mar 2014 #44
Huh? LeftyMom Mar 2014 #45
well, I enjoyed it- thanks Lefty! bettyellen Mar 2014 #54
LOL. That's hilarious. nt Cali_Democrat Mar 2014 #55
OMg...I never thought about how many of these stories start with "Florida man..." MADem Mar 2014 #63
Don't forget FloridaWoman! Favorite so far: Number23 Mar 2014 #124
OMG...so cruel, and yet, so true! MADem Mar 2014 #125
Hilarious. n/t FSogol Mar 2014 #94
Great list. jsr Mar 2014 #117
There's a subreddit too. backscatter712 Mar 2014 #118
There is one for TexasMan also jsr Mar 2014 #127
No one had a hose? Common Sense Party Mar 2014 #15
or a brick or a bat or their fists... TorchTheWitch Mar 2014 #30
Amazing isn't it? ohheckyeah Mar 2014 #56
doesn't make me think of the government at all TorchTheWitch Mar 2014 #59
I suppose no one could be sure My Good Babushka Mar 2014 #69
Men are unable to think while dipping their wick TorchTheWitch Mar 2014 #82
Too bad your awesome tactical combat engineering skills weren't around. nt My Good Babushka Mar 2014 #84
sorry that the obvious did not occur to you TorchTheWitch Mar 2014 #85
Also, if you'd rather save dogs than people My Good Babushka Mar 2014 #86
Worried about 'stand your ground'? Luminous Animal Mar 2014 #39
According to the article, he was armed, or at least had guns in his house illegally. chrisa Mar 2014 #92
To be fair, when Florida Man was arrested, he had two guns. backscatter712 Mar 2014 #119
Animal cruelty is funny on DU, I guess. n/t flvegan Mar 2014 #19
not to me man, that's some sick shit right there... did you see the guy? dionysus Mar 2014 #21
Mental patients. ..the last bastion for acceptable public ridicule pipoman Mar 2014 #23
not to me.. the guy's sick from either serious drug or mental issues, the story is pukeworthy... dionysus Mar 2014 #25
exactly. ..you and Reagan agree on that. . pipoman Mar 2014 #68
Liberalism has never been empathetic to those that prey on the weak and defenseless. Chan790 Mar 2014 #97
oh, new liberalism doesn't give a shit that pipoman Mar 2014 #98
you're right about the ridicule and jokes steve2470 Mar 2014 #29
It shouldn't be surprising that pipoman Mar 2014 #79
People aren't hating on a mentally ill person. Fawke Em Mar 2014 #114
Apparently you didn't read the thread pipoman Mar 2014 #115
You keep saying mental patient...that's just a presumption HereSince1628 Mar 2014 #83
Why this should matter to people who care about mental health HereSince1628 Mar 2014 #88
He's 50 something having sex with a dog in pipoman Mar 2014 #93
I'm not say the highly deviant behavior is or isn't anything--it's highly deviant behavior HereSince1628 Mar 2014 #103
semantics pipoman Mar 2014 #106
Unfortunately, discrimination and stigma are largely based on verbal misrepresentations HereSince1628 Mar 2014 #116
Dark humor is a coping mechanism for dealing with horror. LeftyMom Mar 2014 #24
^^^ This one ^^^ alittlelark Mar 2014 #31
so so true nt steve2470 Mar 2014 #34
exactly n/t RainDog Mar 2014 #35
truth. Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2014 #108
I'm not laughing. Luminous Animal Mar 2014 #40
omfg... nt dionysus Mar 2014 #20
That is just gross rudolph the red Mar 2014 #26
No!! bravenak Mar 2014 #28
What do you say to the cop? jberryhill Mar 2014 #32
I have to trash can this PowerToThePeople Mar 2014 #33
Which part? jberryhill Mar 2014 #41
Throw the mentally ill in prison, it's the liberal thing to do pipoman Mar 2014 #99
he needs help. PowerToThePeople Mar 2014 #100
Kudos to pipoman Mar 2014 #101
yup PowerToThePeople Mar 2014 #102
I sware someone needs to look at the water in Florida. Mrdrboi Mar 2014 #36
this is OT but I feel the need to vent a bit... steve2470 Mar 2014 #42
It's not your fault. You're like that little metal thing that goes into the kitchen sink drain Warren DeMontague Mar 2014 #47
that must be it LOL Thanks Warren steve2470 Mar 2014 #49
AGGRAVATED animal cruelty??? You mean the dog had it coming to her? BlueStreak Mar 2014 #51
"Aggravated" is an intensifier in this context, meaning that it is considered worse than Tanuki Mar 2014 #64
here's the link to the florida law steve2470 Mar 2014 #65
"trips, fells, ropes, or lassos the legs of a horse .. for entertainment or sport" BlueStreak Mar 2014 #113
This should put to rest the notion that the entire breed is dangerous JVS Mar 2014 #58
Sick, sick, sick davidpdx Mar 2014 #60
For the love of GOD. liberalmuse Mar 2014 #61
jury results steve2470 Mar 2014 #62
Actually, the OP is for people who like to hate Florida. Eleanors38 Mar 2014 #73
It's a news story. Nothing wrong with posting it seveneyes Mar 2014 #87
It's so horrible. liberalmuse Mar 2014 #123
It was on the front page of CBS News.........not really avoidable if you read news often DebJ Mar 2014 #129
Lock him up AND throw away the key. In_The_Wind Mar 2014 #75
Reagan agreed with you. . pipoman Mar 2014 #76
Good because this type of abuse will continue to escalate. In_The_Wind Mar 2014 #78
Not if we had mental health services for anyone who needs them pipoman Mar 2014 #81
Mental illness should be treated. Innocent creatures need to be protected as well. In_The_Wind Mar 2014 #90
mental illness isn't treated or available unless you can self pay pipoman Mar 2014 #95
^truth^ Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2014 #109
It is available through Medicaid. That is how my son is treated for his bipolar disorder. n/t DebJ Mar 2014 #128
I'm glad he is getting help. In_The_Wind Mar 2014 #132
They should just cut it off for guys like this chrisa Mar 2014 #91
Yeah and burn witches too.. pipoman Mar 2014 #96
The"witches" were innocent - this guy is a sick rapist chrisa Mar 2014 #105
Many "witches" were people with mental illness pipoman Mar 2014 #107
simple solution... Javaman Mar 2014 #104
The man's mugshot...holyshite! He looks drugged up out of his mind! Rex Mar 2014 #110
Why didn't the neighbors Stand the pitbull's Ground. Fawke Em Mar 2014 #112
I wonder how the interview with the officer went. onethatcares Mar 2014 #120
This same thing happened not too long ago at an animal shelter. leftyladyfrommo Mar 2014 #121
it is actually comforting when a rapist looks like a rapist JPZenger Mar 2014 #122
For all those saying drug abuse or mental illness, look at this picture link. DebJ Mar 2014 #130
For the sake of brevity they could have skipped "Florida man". pa28 Mar 2014 #131

RandySF

(58,447 posts)
1. It had to be Florida again, didn't it?
Wed Mar 5, 2014, 11:46 PM
Mar 2014

I would like to tie this guy up in a room, let those pit bulls and and close the door for a little more "alone time".

 

pipoman

(16,038 posts)
5. You would, would you?
Wed Mar 5, 2014, 11:54 PM
Mar 2014

Is that the treatment you would like to see? What is it about seeing that which would most please you?

I prefer treating mental patients and drug addicts over torturing them...just me of coarse...I'm a little sentimental that way...

Ex Lurker

(3,811 posts)
43. There are sick people, and then there are dangerous people. This guy is the latter.
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 01:59 AM
Mar 2014

He needs to be put away where he can't hurt anything or anyone else.

 

pipoman

(16,038 posts)
66. Maybe
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 06:34 AM
Mar 2014

But in a mental institution not in a prison where he will either be killed or victimized for the rest of his life. But alas some hereabouts side with the raygun philosophy of people don't need mental health services, they need prison.

LeftyMom

(49,212 posts)
2. I was guessing meth, then I saw the booking photo at the link.
Wed Mar 5, 2014, 11:46 PM
Mar 2014

Let's just say I don't think anybody's in great suspense about the results of the no doubt pending drug test.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
10. Holy crap
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 12:04 AM
Mar 2014

He's so high, he passed the moon about three doses of meth ago. That drug is absolutely evil, and turns people evil. Damn.

Response to fried eggs (Original post)

3catwoman3

(23,943 posts)
27. My thought...
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 12:57 AM
Mar 2014

...exactly.

And, can we refrain from calling acts like this "having sex." This is molestation, plain and simple.

 

demwing

(16,916 posts)
80. How does a dog give informed consent?
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 08:18 AM
Mar 2014

to another dog, let alone a human? Isn't all animal sex then considered rape?

kcr

(15,313 posts)
48. Someone actually alerted on this
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 02:27 AM
Mar 2014

I think this was the fastest jury I ever served on.

Pity that he didn't get "it" bitten off. n/t
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pipoman

(16,038 posts)
22. For as much meth addiction
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 12:42 AM
Mar 2014

As there is, seems there are relatively few cases like this. ..No, I suspect untreated mental illness...thanks again raygun. .the gift that keeps on giving he is. .

Response to pipoman (Reply #22)

eridani

(51,907 posts)
67. Oh, please!
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 06:36 AM
Mar 2014

Google "horse" + "Puyallup" for a nasty incident. Until that case became public, there were no laws against this kind of thing in WA State. There are now.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
63. OMg...I never thought about how many of these stories start with "Florida man..."
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 05:40 AM
Mar 2014

It may be an unfair characterization but I can see how the twitter account holder finds fodder.

Also, I never really noticed it (though others certainly did, as Google will attest), but the state of Florida is shaped somewhat like a handgun....!!!!

Number23

(24,544 posts)
124. Don't forget FloridaWoman! Favorite so far:
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 06:14 PM
Mar 2014

Florida Woman Arrested for Assaulting 25-Year-Old Daughter With Used Diaper

https://twitter.com/_Flor1daWoman

MADem

(135,425 posts)
125. OMG...so cruel, and yet, so true!
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 12:30 AM
Mar 2014

FL does seem to have more of their fair share of losers, deadbeats, perverts and assholes, don't they?

I suppose their defense is that they are a catchbasin for sun-seekers from all across the states....the dregs of society are caught in their drain!

ohheckyeah

(9,314 posts)
56. Amazing isn't it?
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 02:58 AM
Mar 2014

Makes me think of how the government turns a blind eye to the children of the FLDS being physically and sexually abused. They won't prosecute because the children are too scared to testify but the state can prosecute animal cruelty.

TorchTheWitch

(11,065 posts)
59. doesn't make me think of the government at all
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 03:28 AM
Mar 2014

It makes me think how crazy it is to see a dog being beaten and torn apart on the inside and no one does anything to actually stop it. If these people saw him beating a dog with a 2x4 would they just have ASKED him to stop??? Actually, they probably wouldn't have tried to actually stop him then either.

It's baffling.

My Good Babushka

(2,710 posts)
69. I suppose no one could be sure
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 06:46 AM
Mar 2014

if he was armed or not. I would intervene if it were a person, but I wouldn't intervene if it were a dog, I would let the authorities handle it. I'm just not willing to sacrifice myself for a dog.

TorchTheWitch

(11,065 posts)
82. Men are unable to think while dipping their wick
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 08:31 AM
Mar 2014

I wouldn't care if he was armed or not. Once he was getting his jollies on I would have come up from behind him and put out his noggin before he had any time to know it was coming much less draw a weapon. First lesson of taking someone out is to not let them have any idea they have a split second on consciousness left.

Me, I'd be more viscerally sent into reckless action for a helpless creature I happen to care about more than I generally do of people. And particularly because of rape.

chrisa

(4,524 posts)
92. According to the article, he was armed, or at least had guns in his house illegally.
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 09:24 AM
Mar 2014

That could have ended even more poorly.

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
119. To be fair, when Florida Man was arrested, he had two guns.
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 12:23 PM
Mar 2014

An intervention could have ended badly. The neighbors did what they should have done - they called the cops, now Florida Man is in jail.

dionysus

(26,467 posts)
21. not to me man, that's some sick shit right there... did you see the guy?
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 12:41 AM
Mar 2014

bathsalts, meth, or just plain batshit crazy!

dionysus

(26,467 posts)
25. not to me.. the guy's sick from either serious drug or mental issues, the story is pukeworthy...
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 12:47 AM
Mar 2014

he does need to go where the public is safe from him, be it prison or the psych ward.

he's in serious need of some form of treatment.

 

pipoman

(16,038 posts)
68. exactly. ..you and Reagan agree on that. .
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 06:43 AM
Mar 2014

It used to be liberalism that could be empathetic to the mentally ill and drug addicts.

 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
97. Liberalism has never been empathetic to those that prey on the weak and defenseless.
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 09:36 AM
Mar 2014

Never.

It never should be.

Tolerance ends long before we get to non-consensual dog-fucking. If you've devolved to the point of being a predator upon society, upon the weak, society reasonably should no longer care what the underlying causation is of your issues. The liberal thing at that point is to protect society from you. Help you if possible, but help humanity if you cannot be helped.

Society needs to be protected from Bernard Marsonek if drugs or mental illness could drive him to dog-rape.

 

pipoman

(16,038 posts)
98. oh, new liberalism doesn't give a shit that
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 09:40 AM
Mar 2014

people can't get mental health services until they commit a crime. I forgot. Maybe if he could have gotten the help he obviously needed when he needed it, it wouldn't have come to this.

steve2470

(37,457 posts)
29. you're right about the ridicule and jokes
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 01:03 AM
Mar 2014

I had a weak moment and made a joke. I deleted it. The man has obvious drug and probably mental health issues.

 

pipoman

(16,038 posts)
79. It shouldn't be surprising that
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 08:11 AM
Mar 2014

DU is so hate filled toward the mentally ill. ..just been here long enough to know. ..it still surprises me. .

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
83. You keep saying mental patient...that's just a presumption
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 08:32 AM
Mar 2014

being a mental PATIENT implies a person is under care. There is nothing to suggest that he was under care no mention of diagnosis, or treatment, currently or in the past.

Calling a person involved in highly deviant and illegal acts a mental patient is a leap across the facts.

Among this person's needs may be mental or drug treatment. We might hope that competent representation would have those needs evaluated.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
88. Why this should matter to people who care about mental health
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 08:56 AM
Mar 2014

In 2012 before the Newton shootings, a survey was done about American's attitudes regarding mental illness.

One of the questions was whether a mentally ill person could be made better by treatment.

Less than half of those polled believed that.

Using 'mental patient' to describe persons linked to deviance when there is no evidence of mental healthcare wrongly perpetuates the belief that treatment is ineffective--the implication is people being treated are still engaged in deviant acts sensational enough to be reported upon.

Sentimentally, I think we are both on the same side...wanting to see persons who need mental health treatment get it

 

pipoman

(16,038 posts)
93. He's 50 something having sex with a dog in
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 09:28 AM
Mar 2014

his yard with neighbors watching. .it doesn't take a PhD to determine he needs mental health care more than a prison sentence. But alas, the Reagan model of eliminating mental health care for people who need it, requiring they commit a criminal act before they are eligible for care, then imprisoning them for that substandard care apparently has a great following among liberals. ..sad it is..

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
103. I'm not say the highly deviant behavior is or isn't anything--it's highly deviant behavior
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 10:22 AM
Mar 2014

which his attorney, or anyone looking out for him should, indeed, have evaluated.

My point, which you don't acknowledge having grasped, is that a person shouldn't be called "a mental patient" unless they are indeed a mental patient. Observation of highly deviant behavior in people is not sufficient to say they are a patient--and neither the video or the article make that mistake, because the man's status as a patient isn't mentioned at all.

A person cannot be "a patient" unless they are under the care of a provider.

A person who needs mental health treatment, but hasn't received it is not a patient.

Misrepresentation contributes to misunderstanding about mental illness and stigma. When deviance in a news item is falsely equated with mental patient, the implication is whatever treatment is given isn't/didn't/hasn't/ worked.

The notion that all mental illnesses are permanent and cannot be satisfactorily resolved is one of the pillars supporting discrimination against the mentally ill.



Regarding the main-streeting of mentally ill patients...if you check the history you'll see that "community based" treatment was well underway in the late 1950's there is even a movie from the period about it.

But it was the horrors of mental health care exposed at Bridgewater State Hospital via the documentary "Titticutt Follies" in the late 60's which accelerated that movement. What can only be called atrocities were so prevalent at Bridgewater that the documentary was banned and only shown to mental health professionals and administrators. The prevailing attitude became that treatment was so horrible in mental hospitals that in-patient care couldn't be justified. The community-based programs pushed by many mental health professionals since before WWII were the alternative.

Reagan pushed forward what was already a pattern. Yes he cut funding to in-patient care. So did administrators at all levels of government. The result is that the cutting has gone too far and now there are insufficient affordable beds.



 

pipoman

(16,038 posts)
106. semantics
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 10:35 AM
Mar 2014

You stated I keep calling him something that I believe I only said once, and then it was a general statement not about this person specifically.

It used to be that a loved one could petition for involuntarily commitment and if police suspected someone of needing mental health care they could order an evaluation. Now for a person to be allowed publicly funded care the person must be convicted of a crime in most states.

No doubt mental health care has a rather sketchy history. So does medical healthcare. Evolution of health care can't happen without case study, the only real reference now is criminal commitments.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
116. Unfortunately, discrimination and stigma are largely based on verbal misrepresentations
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 11:56 AM
Mar 2014

Declaring something to simply be a matter of semantics is a common way to dismiss an idea as some sort of wordplay. That misrepresents semantics per se, and the concern I express.

Semantics as part of linguistics is about improving communication between people about their ideas, environment and each other through critical (sensu: accurate, careful, precise, intentional, etc.) use of words and other symbols.

Misrepresentation often justifies stigma and discrimination. People who incorrectly believe that all mental illnesses can't be successfully treated and that the mentally ill are much more dangerous than ordinary people (both outcomes of the poll mentioned upstream), are justified within the logic of their faulty understanding to commit discriminatory acts against the mentally ill as a form of self-defense, defense of their families, workplaces, communities etc.

Misunderstanding can only be corrected via communication which largely relies upon words. Semantics in this respect is absolutely relevant to reducing stigma and discrimination against the mentally ill.

A cause that I suspect both of us believe in.



How commitment of an adult proceeds does vary between jurisdictions. The process you present may be correct for your location or your experience, but it isn't for mine. I am not at all sure a crime is required "in most states". Please share a link on that if you have one.

Generally, the involuntary commitment process is divided into distinct stages: intervention, detention, and commitment. The actions at each step may be the source of some confusion about the commitment process, so here is my understanding of it:

In response to citizen alerts (possibly family, coworkers, neighbors) of calls that a person is a danger to self, others or property the police respond. They may also engage a person based on observations during routine policing--which could be a response to a disturbance or crime. The first step in this intervention is to ensure safety of all involved; then an initial assessment is made of the person of concern. The person being assessed may not have committed any crime, but if the responding officers consider the person may be dangerous to self or others, they may at their discretion place the person under arrest and enter them to involuntary detention. This action is discretionary, so it isn't perfect.

Usually very precursory initial screening of the detainee is done to find concurrence with the initial assessment of the police. If the screening social worker/psychologist agrees, then the person is held for observation and assessment. This is detention, not incarceration, even though the person is locked in. Such semantics are an important legal difference. In most jurisdictions there is a well defined limit on the time a person can remain in involuntary detention...3 days is typical. In some jurisdictions, the detainee is billed as the cost of a hospital stay.

If the psychiatric judgment based on observation and interviews during detention is that the detainee should be involuntarily committed, a petition for commitment must be presented to a psychiatric panel or judge. This process is called adjudication, and the process may determine that sufficient risk that the detainee is a risk to self or others exists and that the detainee must be compelled to commitment as an in-patient. Involuntary commitment isn't considered a criminal sentence, and a person needn't have committed a
crime to be involuntarily detained.

The panel or magistrate may also find that the person should be released. A person who has been detained but not committed generally retains all their prior status, which vary from place to place but may include such things as permits to own guns, and may extend to things such as licenses for day care or teaching.





 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
28. No!!
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 01:00 AM
Mar 2014

Poor dog. Why do people have to act out their sick sexual desires on innocents? Why? Why do this?

 

PowerToThePeople

(9,610 posts)
33. I have to trash can this
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 01:23 AM
Mar 2014

Not because it deserves trash canned, the sick sob deserves much jail time at minimum- but because I do not want to read the headline every time I refresh my screen. Just reading the headline grosses me out completely...

 

PowerToThePeople

(9,610 posts)
100. he needs help.
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 09:50 AM
Mar 2014

I think my post was a reaction to the gross out. What has happened in the last 30 years to our mental health facilities is a travesty. Many who truly need help have just been dumped in the streets.

Mrdrboi

(110 posts)
36. I sware someone needs to look at the water in Florida.
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 01:37 AM
Mar 2014

Something aint right with the water. So many crazy people there.

steve2470

(37,457 posts)
42. this is OT but I feel the need to vent a bit...
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 01:54 AM
Mar 2014

Florida is my state. I've lived here forever. Yes, a lot of weird stuff happens here. The national media makes sure everyone knows it now. Is Florida "weirder" than California or Texas or New York ? Possibly it is.

I'd say Florida deserves some measure of sympathy. You combine warm weather, no state income taxes, fairly low property taxes, liberal bankruptcy laws, a not-so-great educational system (I think our university system is at least average if not above average), tourism as the largest employer, our history in the Confederacy, and , our reputation as a place to reinvent yourself and/or hide, and VOILA...you get a sick culture. Oh and yes, we're thoroughly dominated currently by the Republican Party.

All this really got kicked into high gear after the 2000 presidential election, with hanging chads and the Brooks Brothers riot, etc.

Yes, yes, Floridians need to make it better. Or move.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
47. It's not your fault. You're like that little metal thing that goes into the kitchen sink drain
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 02:25 AM
Mar 2014


All the weirdness in the US flows down the Mississippi, and then gets caught down in Florida.
 

BlueStreak

(8,377 posts)
51. AGGRAVATED animal cruelty??? You mean the dog had it coming to her?
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 02:46 AM
Mar 2014

WTF is AGGRAVATED animal cruelty?

OK. I understand that if a dog tries to bite you and you whack it with a baseball bat, that might be aggravated animal cruelty. But how do they come up with an aggravated charge when the guy is screwing the pooch?

Tanuki

(14,914 posts)
64. "Aggravated" is an intensifier in this context, meaning that it is considered worse than
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 06:30 AM
Mar 2014

just plain old animal cruelty. It sounds as if you're thinking it implies that the victim did something to "aggravate" the assailant, but that's not what it means in the legal sense. For clarity:
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Aggravated+Assault
..."Aggravated Assault A person is guilty of aggravated assault if he or she attempts to cause serious bodily injury to another or causes such injury purposely, knowingly, or recklessly under circumstances manifesting extreme indifference to the value of human life; or attempts to cause or purposely or knowingly causes bodily injury to another with a deadly weapon. In all jurisdictions statutes punish such aggravated assaults as assault with intent to murder (or rob or kill or rape) and assault with a dangerous (or deadly) weapon more severely than "simple" assaults.

West's Encyclopedia of American Law, edition 2. Copyright 2008 The Gale Group, Inc. All rights reserved.



aggravated assault n. the crime of physically attacking another person which results in serious bodily harm and/or is made with a deadly or dangerous weapon such as a gun, knife, sword, ax or blunt instrument. Aggravated assault is usually a felony punishable by a term in state prison. (See: assault)

Copyright © 1981-2005 by Gerald N. Hill and Kathleen T. Hill. All Right reserved."

 

BlueStreak

(8,377 posts)
113. "trips, fells, ropes, or lassos the legs of a horse .. for entertainment or sport"
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 11:41 AM
Mar 2014

WTF is wrong with Florida?

liberalmuse

(18,671 posts)
61. For the love of GOD.
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 05:00 AM
Mar 2014

Can DU make hidden thread for those people who love to post about dog and baby rape, animal torture and child molestation? Just reading the fucking title is EXTREMELY upsetting to some of us. If I want to read about this shit, I'll go look for it, but it shouldn't be on the "Latest" page. I won't read the story, but this is the one time I wish the pit bull would've ripped a person to pieces. Christ, sweet dreams.

steve2470

(37,457 posts)
62. jury results
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 05:13 AM
Mar 2014

A randomly-selected Jury of DU members completed their review of the post on Wed Mar 5, 2014, 10:58 PM, and voted 3-3 to keep IT.

I voted to hide it.

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
73. Actually, the OP is for people who like to hate Florida.
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 07:10 AM
Mar 2014

Seen in that light, it's perfectly acceptable.

 

seveneyes

(4,631 posts)
87. It's a news story. Nothing wrong with posting it
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 08:52 AM
Mar 2014

I can't even begin to understand why such a story would not be posted. As bad as it is, the same thing happening to a human is much more traumatic. The perp in this case is sick and needs help.

liberalmuse

(18,671 posts)
123. It's so horrible.
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 05:55 PM
Mar 2014

And I remember reading that beastiality is on the rise. I think all of us who own pets are horrified to think of anyone violating them like this. I can't stand the thought of children and animals being sexually violated. To even read such a thing takes me into a very dark place.

DebJ

(7,699 posts)
129. It was on the front page of CBS News.........not really avoidable if you read news often
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 01:00 AM
Mar 2014

which I presume is a typical DUer occupation.........

 

pipoman

(16,038 posts)
81. Not if we had mental health services for anyone who needs them
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 08:19 AM
Mar 2014

But alas, apparently even supposed liberals right here on DU would rather imprison the mentally ill than treat them. ..i expect it from conservatives, deplore it from liberals..

 

pipoman

(16,038 posts)
95. mental illness isn't treated or available unless you can self pay
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 09:34 AM
Mar 2014

If you can't self pay, you must commit a criminal act to get treatment, then it is in a prison environment. Reagan cut off funding for mental health services resulting in the closing of most in patient facilities, those remaining only accept court ordered admission unless you are able to pay. It is disappointing that liberals don't care about this.

chrisa

(4,524 posts)
105. The"witches" were innocent - this guy is a sick rapist
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 10:34 AM
Mar 2014

How do you know he wasn't blasted out of his mind on meth, or wasn't just a disgusting sociopath who loves to hurt things?

The real victims here are his poor dogs. I extend the same sympathy to him as any rapist: none.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
110. The man's mugshot...holyshite! He looks drugged up out of his mind!
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 11:11 AM
Mar 2014

What a sick thing to do...IE rape a dog.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
112. Why didn't the neighbors Stand the pitbull's Ground.
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 11:34 AM
Mar 2014

If ever there was a reason to shoot someone, cruelty to weaker beings would be it.

onethatcares

(16,161 posts)
120. I wonder how the interview with the officer went.
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 12:25 PM
Mar 2014

"Sir, did you have sex with that pitbull"?

"Uh, it depends upon your definition of sex"



I also wonder just what the neighbors yelled at him.

"Yo, get offa that dog" or what???

leftyladyfrommo

(18,864 posts)
121. This same thing happened not too long ago at an animal shelter.
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 12:26 PM
Mar 2014

They were giving tours at the animal shelter and this guy disappeared. A worker there found him having sex with one of the pitbulls.

I don't think you would ever get over seeing something like that. He was arrested and hauled off. Don't know what happened to him after that.

I just made the mistake of looking at the guy's picture. Holy shit. He looks like a maniac. Poor police. Just this once I wish they had just shot the guy. That's not nice but my God. How do you deal with that?









































JPZenger

(6,819 posts)
122. it is actually comforting when a rapist looks like a rapist
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 12:27 PM
Mar 2014

It is disturbing when you see persons accused of perverted crimes and they look so normal - such as most of the guys on "To Catch a Predator." It is actually a little comforting when a rapist actually looks like a rapist.

DebJ

(7,699 posts)
130. For all those saying drug abuse or mental illness, look at this picture link.
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 01:05 AM
Mar 2014
https://www.google.com/search?q=images+thyroid+bulging+eyes&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=4VIZU93CMcqhkQe_3YDwBQ&ved=0CCQQsAQ&biw=1400&bih=736&dpr=1.2

Thyroid malfunction can cause the eyes to bulge in this fashion.
Another feature: thyroid malfunction can cause symptoms of mental illness.
In fact, before anyone is diagnosed with bipolar, for example, they must be tested
for thyroid issues.

Maybe it's not even a matter of mental health care, but health care AT ALL.

Ten years ago I had a young woman manager working for me, who got into the position
where she could not afford her thyroid medications. Her behaviors became very erratic,
and she would do things like leave the restaurant at 11pm and leave the front door
wide open. She just couldn't think straight. It was very sad to see her suffering
just for the sake of fricking money and meds.

pa28

(6,145 posts)
131. For the sake of brevity they could have skipped "Florida man".
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 01:15 AM
Mar 2014

Editorial rules should only add the state in a bizarre news story if it's somewhere other than Florida.

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