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Bernard Marsonek, 57, of Tampa was arrested Wednesday morning and charged with aggravated animal cruelty, sexual activity involving animals and two counts of being a felon in possession of a firearm, according to the Hillsborough County Sheriff's Office.
Locals who saw the alleged sex act yelled at Marsonek but he ignored them. Witnesses flagged down an officer who interviewed and arrested Marsonek.
Eight pit bulls were taken from the home.
Read Full Story: http://www.orlandosentinel.com/features/blogs/gone-viral/os-florida-man-sex-dog-20140305,0,3768863.post
RandySF
(58,447 posts)I would like to tie this guy up in a room, let those pit bulls and and close the door for a little more "alone time".
pipoman
(16,038 posts)Is that the treatment you would like to see? What is it about seeing that which would most please you?
I prefer treating mental patients and drug addicts over torturing them...just me of coarse...I'm a little sentimental that way...
I prefer treating rapists, including animal rapists, to severe punishment.
pipoman
(16,038 posts)Ex Lurker
(3,811 posts)He needs to be put away where he can't hurt anything or anyone else.
But in a mental institution not in a prison where he will either be killed or victimized for the rest of his life. But alas some hereabouts side with the raygun philosophy of people don't need mental health services, they need prison.
kelliekat44
(7,759 posts)Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)Logical
(22,457 posts)LeftyMom
(49,212 posts)Let's just say I don't think anybody's in great suspense about the results of the no doubt pending drug test.
He's so high, he passed the moon about three doses of meth ago. That drug is absolutely evil, and turns people evil. Damn.
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Crunchy Frog
(26,574 posts)3catwoman3
(23,943 posts)...exactly.
And, can we refrain from calling acts like this "having sex." This is molestation, plain and simple.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)demwing
(16,916 posts)to another dog, let alone a human? Isn't all animal sex then considered rape?
Shivering Jemmy
(900 posts)Cats. And whales for example.
Other animals not so much.
kcr
(15,313 posts)I think this was the fastest jury I ever served on.
Pity that he didn't get "it" bitten off. n/t
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Crunchy Frog
(26,574 posts)B Calm
(28,762 posts).
Aerows
(39,961 posts)His eyes are about to fall out of their sockets.
pipoman
(16,038 posts)As there is, seems there are relatively few cases like this. ..No, I suspect untreated mental illness...thanks again raygun. .the gift that keeps on giving he is. .
Aerows
(39,961 posts)To allow in 25 feet from you.
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eridani
(51,907 posts)Google "horse" + "Puyallup" for a nasty incident. Until that case became public, there were no laws against this kind of thing in WA State. There are now.
giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)In_The_Wind
(72,300 posts)Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)kelliekat44
(7,759 posts)Silent3
(15,142 posts)Apparently literally.
Spirochete
(5,264 posts)or if he changed it from Nugent...
Historic NY
(37,449 posts)Warning florida mans is scarey.........really I warned you.
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/police-neighbors-caught-florida-man-bernard-marsonek-performing-sex-act-with-pit-bull-in-his-yard03052014
Historic NY
(37,449 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Meth.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)DebJ
(7,699 posts)LeftyMom
(49,212 posts)mimi85
(1,805 posts)I don't even want to know how you found that. Some kid will have nightmares tonight.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)It may be an unfair characterization but I can see how the twitter account holder finds fodder.
Also, I never really noticed it (though others certainly did, as Google will attest), but the state of Florida is shaped somewhat like a handgun....!!!!
Number23
(24,544 posts)Florida Woman Arrested for Assaulting 25-Year-Old Daughter With Used Diaper
https://twitter.com/_Flor1daWoman
MADem
(135,425 posts)FL does seem to have more of their fair share of losers, deadbeats, perverts and assholes, don't they?
I suppose their defense is that they are a catchbasin for sun-seekers from all across the states....the dregs of society are caught in their drain!
FSogol
(45,435 posts)LOL.
backscatter712
(26,355 posts)So you don't have an excuse for falling behind in the adventures of America's worst superhero.
jsr
(7,712 posts)Common Sense Party
(14,139 posts)TorchTheWitch
(11,065 posts)How people just stand by and watch an animal being abused astounds me.
ohheckyeah
(9,314 posts)Makes me think of how the government turns a blind eye to the children of the FLDS being physically and sexually abused. They won't prosecute because the children are too scared to testify but the state can prosecute animal cruelty.
TorchTheWitch
(11,065 posts)It makes me think how crazy it is to see a dog being beaten and torn apart on the inside and no one does anything to actually stop it. If these people saw him beating a dog with a 2x4 would they just have ASKED him to stop??? Actually, they probably wouldn't have tried to actually stop him then either.
It's baffling.
My Good Babushka
(2,710 posts)if he was armed or not. I would intervene if it were a person, but I wouldn't intervene if it were a dog, I would let the authorities handle it. I'm just not willing to sacrifice myself for a dog.
TorchTheWitch
(11,065 posts)I wouldn't care if he was armed or not. Once he was getting his jollies on I would have come up from behind him and put out his noggin before he had any time to know it was coming much less draw a weapon. First lesson of taking someone out is to not let them have any idea they have a split second on consciousness left.
Me, I'd be more viscerally sent into reckless action for a helpless creature I happen to care about more than I generally do of people. And particularly because of rape.
My Good Babushka
(2,710 posts)TorchTheWitch
(11,065 posts)Some of us are smarter than that and practiced.
My Good Babushka
(2,710 posts)remind me not to hire you for a babysitter.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)chrisa
(4,524 posts)That could have ended even more poorly.
backscatter712
(26,355 posts)An intervention could have ended badly. The neighbors did what they should have done - they called the cops, now Florida Man is in jail.
flvegan
(64,404 posts)dionysus
(26,467 posts)bathsalts, meth, or just plain batshit crazy!
pipoman
(16,038 posts)And jokes..
dionysus
(26,467 posts)he does need to go where the public is safe from him, be it prison or the psych ward.
he's in serious need of some form of treatment.
pipoman
(16,038 posts)It used to be liberalism that could be empathetic to the mentally ill and drug addicts.
Chan790
(20,176 posts)Never.
It never should be.
Tolerance ends long before we get to non-consensual dog-fucking. If you've devolved to the point of being a predator upon society, upon the weak, society reasonably should no longer care what the underlying causation is of your issues. The liberal thing at that point is to protect society from you. Help you if possible, but help humanity if you cannot be helped.
Society needs to be protected from Bernard Marsonek if drugs or mental illness could drive him to dog-rape.
pipoman
(16,038 posts)people can't get mental health services until they commit a crime. I forgot. Maybe if he could have gotten the help he obviously needed when he needed it, it wouldn't have come to this.
steve2470
(37,457 posts)I had a weak moment and made a joke. I deleted it. The man has obvious drug and probably mental health issues.
pipoman
(16,038 posts)DU is so hate filled toward the mentally ill. ..just been here long enough to know. ..it still surprises me. .
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)They are hating the fact that he RAPED A DOG!!!
pipoman
(16,038 posts)HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)being a mental PATIENT implies a person is under care. There is nothing to suggest that he was under care no mention of diagnosis, or treatment, currently or in the past.
Calling a person involved in highly deviant and illegal acts a mental patient is a leap across the facts.
Among this person's needs may be mental or drug treatment. We might hope that competent representation would have those needs evaluated.
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)In 2012 before the Newton shootings, a survey was done about American's attitudes regarding mental illness.
One of the questions was whether a mentally ill person could be made better by treatment.
Less than half of those polled believed that.
Using 'mental patient' to describe persons linked to deviance when there is no evidence of mental healthcare wrongly perpetuates the belief that treatment is ineffective--the implication is people being treated are still engaged in deviant acts sensational enough to be reported upon.
Sentimentally, I think we are both on the same side...wanting to see persons who need mental health treatment get it
pipoman
(16,038 posts)his yard with neighbors watching. .it doesn't take a PhD to determine he needs mental health care more than a prison sentence. But alas, the Reagan model of eliminating mental health care for people who need it, requiring they commit a criminal act before they are eligible for care, then imprisoning them for that substandard care apparently has a great following among liberals. ..sad it is..
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)which his attorney, or anyone looking out for him should, indeed, have evaluated.
My point, which you don't acknowledge having grasped, is that a person shouldn't be called "a mental patient" unless they are indeed a mental patient. Observation of highly deviant behavior in people is not sufficient to say they are a patient--and neither the video or the article make that mistake, because the man's status as a patient isn't mentioned at all.
A person cannot be "a patient" unless they are under the care of a provider.
A person who needs mental health treatment, but hasn't received it is not a patient.
Misrepresentation contributes to misunderstanding about mental illness and stigma. When deviance in a news item is falsely equated with mental patient, the implication is whatever treatment is given isn't/didn't/hasn't/ worked.
The notion that all mental illnesses are permanent and cannot be satisfactorily resolved is one of the pillars supporting discrimination against the mentally ill.
Regarding the main-streeting of mentally ill patients...if you check the history you'll see that "community based" treatment was well underway in the late 1950's there is even a movie from the period about it.
But it was the horrors of mental health care exposed at Bridgewater State Hospital via the documentary "Titticutt Follies" in the late 60's which accelerated that movement. What can only be called atrocities were so prevalent at Bridgewater that the documentary was banned and only shown to mental health professionals and administrators. The prevailing attitude became that treatment was so horrible in mental hospitals that in-patient care couldn't be justified. The community-based programs pushed by many mental health professionals since before WWII were the alternative.
Reagan pushed forward what was already a pattern. Yes he cut funding to in-patient care. So did administrators at all levels of government. The result is that the cutting has gone too far and now there are insufficient affordable beds.
pipoman
(16,038 posts)You stated I keep calling him something that I believe I only said once, and then it was a general statement not about this person specifically.
It used to be that a loved one could petition for involuntarily commitment and if police suspected someone of needing mental health care they could order an evaluation. Now for a person to be allowed publicly funded care the person must be convicted of a crime in most states.
No doubt mental health care has a rather sketchy history. So does medical healthcare. Evolution of health care can't happen without case study, the only real reference now is criminal commitments.
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)Declaring something to simply be a matter of semantics is a common way to dismiss an idea as some sort of wordplay. That misrepresents semantics per se, and the concern I express.
Semantics as part of linguistics is about improving communication between people about their ideas, environment and each other through critical (sensu: accurate, careful, precise, intentional, etc.) use of words and other symbols.
Misrepresentation often justifies stigma and discrimination. People who incorrectly believe that all mental illnesses can't be successfully treated and that the mentally ill are much more dangerous than ordinary people (both outcomes of the poll mentioned upstream), are justified within the logic of their faulty understanding to commit discriminatory acts against the mentally ill as a form of self-defense, defense of their families, workplaces, communities etc.
Misunderstanding can only be corrected via communication which largely relies upon words. Semantics in this respect is absolutely relevant to reducing stigma and discrimination against the mentally ill.
A cause that I suspect both of us believe in.
How commitment of an adult proceeds does vary between jurisdictions. The process you present may be correct for your location or your experience, but it isn't for mine. I am not at all sure a crime is required "in most states". Please share a link on that if you have one.
Generally, the involuntary commitment process is divided into distinct stages: intervention, detention, and commitment. The actions at each step may be the source of some confusion about the commitment process, so here is my understanding of it:
In response to citizen alerts (possibly family, coworkers, neighbors) of calls that a person is a danger to self, others or property the police respond. They may also engage a person based on observations during routine policing--which could be a response to a disturbance or crime. The first step in this intervention is to ensure safety of all involved; then an initial assessment is made of the person of concern. The person being assessed may not have committed any crime, but if the responding officers consider the person may be dangerous to self or others, they may at their discretion place the person under arrest and enter them to involuntary detention. This action is discretionary, so it isn't perfect.
Usually very precursory initial screening of the detainee is done to find concurrence with the initial assessment of the police. If the screening social worker/psychologist agrees, then the person is held for observation and assessment. This is detention, not incarceration, even though the person is locked in. Such semantics are an important legal difference. In most jurisdictions there is a well defined limit on the time a person can remain in involuntary detention...3 days is typical. In some jurisdictions, the detainee is billed as the cost of a hospital stay.
If the psychiatric judgment based on observation and interviews during detention is that the detainee should be involuntarily committed, a petition for commitment must be presented to a psychiatric panel or judge. This process is called adjudication, and the process may determine that sufficient risk that the detainee is a risk to self or others exists and that the detainee must be compelled to commitment as an in-patient. Involuntary commitment isn't considered a criminal sentence, and a person needn't have committed a
crime to be involuntarily detained.
The panel or magistrate may also find that the person should be released. A person who has been detained but not committed generally retains all their prior status, which vary from place to place but may include such things as permits to own guns, and may extend to things such as licenses for day care or teaching.
LeftyMom
(49,212 posts)alittlelark
(18,888 posts)Very wise reply.
steve2470
(37,457 posts)RainDog
(28,784 posts)Tuesday Afternoon
(56,912 posts)Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)dionysus
(26,467 posts)rudolph the red
(666 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)Poor dog. Why do people have to act out their sick sexual desires on innocents? Why? Why do this?
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Seriously.
You run up to the cop and say...... what?
PowerToThePeople
(9,610 posts)Not because it deserves trash canned, the sick sob deserves much jail time at minimum- but because I do not want to read the headline every time I refresh my screen. Just reading the headline grosses me out completely...
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)pipoman
(16,038 posts)PowerToThePeople
(9,610 posts)I think my post was a reaction to the gross out. What has happened in the last 30 years to our mental health facilities is a travesty. Many who truly need help have just been dumped in the streets.
pipoman
(16,038 posts)PowerToThePeople
(9,610 posts)Mrdrboi
(110 posts)Something aint right with the water. So many crazy people there.
steve2470
(37,457 posts)Florida is my state. I've lived here forever. Yes, a lot of weird stuff happens here. The national media makes sure everyone knows it now. Is Florida "weirder" than California or Texas or New York ? Possibly it is.
I'd say Florida deserves some measure of sympathy. You combine warm weather, no state income taxes, fairly low property taxes, liberal bankruptcy laws, a not-so-great educational system (I think our university system is at least average if not above average), tourism as the largest employer, our history in the Confederacy, and , our reputation as a place to reinvent yourself and/or hide, and VOILA...you get a sick culture. Oh and yes, we're thoroughly dominated currently by the Republican Party.
All this really got kicked into high gear after the 2000 presidential election, with hanging chads and the Brooks Brothers riot, etc.
Yes, yes, Floridians need to make it better. Or move.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)All the weirdness in the US flows down the Mississippi, and then gets caught down in Florida.
steve2470
(37,457 posts)BlueStreak
(8,377 posts)WTF is AGGRAVATED animal cruelty?
OK. I understand that if a dog tries to bite you and you whack it with a baseball bat, that might be aggravated animal cruelty. But how do they come up with an aggravated charge when the guy is screwing the pooch?
Tanuki
(14,914 posts)just plain old animal cruelty. It sounds as if you're thinking it implies that the victim did something to "aggravate" the assailant, but that's not what it means in the legal sense. For clarity:
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Aggravated+Assault
..."Aggravated Assault A person is guilty of aggravated assault if he or she attempts to cause serious bodily injury to another or causes such injury purposely, knowingly, or recklessly under circumstances manifesting extreme indifference to the value of human life; or attempts to cause or purposely or knowingly causes bodily injury to another with a deadly weapon. In all jurisdictions statutes punish such aggravated assaults as assault with intent to murder (or rob or kill or rape) and assault with a dangerous (or deadly) weapon more severely than "simple" assaults.
West's Encyclopedia of American Law, edition 2. Copyright 2008 The Gale Group, Inc. All rights reserved.
aggravated assault n. the crime of physically attacking another person which results in serious bodily harm and/or is made with a deadly or dangerous weapon such as a gun, knife, sword, ax or blunt instrument. Aggravated assault is usually a felony punishable by a term in state prison. (See: assault)
Copyright © 1981-2005 by Gerald N. Hill and Kathleen T. Hill. All Right reserved."
steve2470
(37,457 posts)BlueStreak
(8,377 posts)WTF is wrong with Florida?
JVS
(61,935 posts)davidpdx
(22,000 posts)Those are the only words I have.
liberalmuse
(18,671 posts)Can DU make hidden thread for those people who love to post about dog and baby rape, animal torture and child molestation? Just reading the fucking title is EXTREMELY upsetting to some of us. If I want to read about this shit, I'll go look for it, but it shouldn't be on the "Latest" page. I won't read the story, but this is the one time I wish the pit bull would've ripped a person to pieces. Christ, sweet dreams.
steve2470
(37,457 posts)A randomly-selected Jury of DU members completed their review of the post on Wed Mar 5, 2014, 10:58 PM, and voted 3-3 to keep IT.
I voted to hide it.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)Seen in that light, it's perfectly acceptable.
seveneyes
(4,631 posts)I can't even begin to understand why such a story would not be posted. As bad as it is, the same thing happening to a human is much more traumatic. The perp in this case is sick and needs help.
liberalmuse
(18,671 posts)And I remember reading that beastiality is on the rise. I think all of us who own pets are horrified to think of anyone violating them like this. I can't stand the thought of children and animals being sexually violated. To even read such a thing takes me into a very dark place.
DebJ
(7,699 posts)which I presume is a typical DUer occupation.........
In_The_Wind
(72,300 posts)What or who he will rape next time [img][/img]
pipoman
(16,038 posts)In_The_Wind
(72,300 posts)pipoman
(16,038 posts)But alas, apparently even supposed liberals right here on DU would rather imprison the mentally ill than treat them. ..i expect it from conservatives, deplore it from liberals..
In_The_Wind
(72,300 posts)pipoman
(16,038 posts)If you can't self pay, you must commit a criminal act to get treatment, then it is in a prison environment. Reagan cut off funding for mental health services resulting in the closing of most in patient facilities, those remaining only accept court ordered admission unless you are able to pay. It is disappointing that liberals don't care about this.
Tuesday Afternoon
(56,912 posts)DebJ
(7,699 posts)In_The_Wind
(72,300 posts)chrisa
(4,524 posts)pipoman
(16,038 posts)chrisa
(4,524 posts)How do you know he wasn't blasted out of his mind on meth, or wasn't just a disgusting sociopath who loves to hurt things?
The real victims here are his poor dogs. I extend the same sympathy to him as any rapist: none.
pipoman
(16,038 posts)It's safe to say this guy is mentally ill.
Javaman
(62,497 posts)get a hose.
it works.
then get a cop.
Rex
(65,616 posts)What a sick thing to do...IE rape a dog.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)If ever there was a reason to shoot someone, cruelty to weaker beings would be it.
onethatcares
(16,161 posts)"Sir, did you have sex with that pitbull"?
"Uh, it depends upon your definition of sex"
I also wonder just what the neighbors yelled at him.
"Yo, get offa that dog" or what???
leftyladyfrommo
(18,864 posts)They were giving tours at the animal shelter and this guy disappeared. A worker there found him having sex with one of the pitbulls.
I don't think you would ever get over seeing something like that. He was arrested and hauled off. Don't know what happened to him after that.
I just made the mistake of looking at the guy's picture. Holy shit. He looks like a maniac. Poor police. Just this once I wish they had just shot the guy. That's not nice but my God. How do you deal with that?
JPZenger
(6,819 posts)It is disturbing when you see persons accused of perverted crimes and they look so normal - such as most of the guys on "To Catch a Predator." It is actually a little comforting when a rapist actually looks like a rapist.
DebJ
(7,699 posts)Thyroid malfunction can cause the eyes to bulge in this fashion.
Another feature: thyroid malfunction can cause symptoms of mental illness.
In fact, before anyone is diagnosed with bipolar, for example, they must be tested
for thyroid issues.
Maybe it's not even a matter of mental health care, but health care AT ALL.
Ten years ago I had a young woman manager working for me, who got into the position
where she could not afford her thyroid medications. Her behaviors became very erratic,
and she would do things like leave the restaurant at 11pm and leave the front door
wide open. She just couldn't think straight. It was very sad to see her suffering
just for the sake of fricking money and meds.
pa28
(6,145 posts)Editorial rules should only add the state in a bizarre news story if it's somewhere other than Florida.