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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWTF is wrong with Bernie Sanders? Seriously.
Yesterday, the Senate took a BIG bipartisan step in helping our economy by passing Eric Cantor's JOBS Act. The House previously approved it, and President Obama will sign it.
Practical people like Eric Cantor, Chuck Schumer, you and me understand that our economy is being held back by all of those Washington regulations on Wall Street. If only Wall Street could be free of its regulatory shackles, the 1% could take what's left to be took, and the country would be better off.
But nuts like Sanders won't let go, all they do is whine! Here's how Sanders greeted this breakthrough:
"At best, this bill could make it easier for con artists to defraud seniors out of their entire life savings by convincing them to invest in worthless companies. At worst, this bill has the potential to create the next Enron or Arthur Andersen scandal or an even worse financial crisis.
Have we learned nothing? Deregulating Wall Street led to the worst financial crisis since the 1930s. Now the same people who caused this horrible recession are telling us that more Wall Street deregulation will create jobs. Give me a break. I strongly support providing small businesses with the tools they need to create jobs. Sadly, that's not at all what this bill will do."
And that Mary Schapiro, the commie running the Securities and Exchange Commission? She whined to the Senate:
Too often, investors are the target of fraudulent schemes disguised as investment opportunities... As you know, if the balance is tipped to the point where investors are not confident that there are appropriate protections, investors will lose confidence in our markets, and capital formation will ultimately be made more difficult and expensive.
Incredible! Don't they realize that the free market will regulate itself? It's never failed yet.
Let's drink a toast together to the new spirit of bipartisanship in Congress. Last November it was the three Bush "free" trade bills, yesterday Wall Street deregulation... who can predict what's next? Maybe Newt will get his wish and they can end those meddlesome nanny-state child labor protections.
villager
(26,001 posts)Better to have all your bagmen in a single, easily controllable political entity.
tularetom
(23,664 posts)even when you don't use the little dealey.
Well, it might be late on a Friday night but it ain't that late.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)bill included Senator Merkley's crowdfunding amendment, which Senator Sanders voted for.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002457389
Still, they both voted against the final bill.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)article outlining the provisions.
By Dan Primack
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Update I: An amendment offered by by Sens. Merkley (D-OR) and Brown (R-MA) has passed. It would require companies raising up to $1 million to provide prospective investors with certain underlying financial information. It also would restrict investors with less than $100,000 in annual income from plugging more than 5% of their income into a crowd-funded offering.
http://finance.fortune.cnn.com/2012/03/22/jobs-act-the-good-the-bad-the-irrelevant/?section=magazines_fortune
grantcart
(53,061 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)ProSense
(116,464 posts)"Does this mean you favor the bill?"
...I see the flaws in the bill. Do I think it has the potential Senator Sanders decribed? Frankly no. A lot of the opposition was to the House version. The fact that, per the Merkley amendment, investors with incomes or net worth less than $100,000 are limited to 5 percent of their income and must be provided information helps. Senator Reeds amendment would have added more protection, but it was filibusted by Republicans.
Reeds amendment to strengthen the bill won 54 votes, however, 60 votes were needed to overcome a Republican filibuster and the amendment was blocked.
Today, Reed offered another amendment to require the SEC to include beneficial owners when tallying the shareholders of record in a company so that all companies count their shareholders accurately and cannot use gimmicks to avoid periodic reporting requirements.
According to the Associated Press, Reeds amendment tightens the definition of "shareholder" so that large companies can't ignore the thousands of beneficial owners the people who have the power to sell and vote on shares to stay under the SEC threshold for filing information. Reed said that under the House bill, companies can count only record holders such as brokers who sell the stock to thousands of beneficial owners in order to stay under the shareholder limit, set to rise from 500 to 2,000, for SEC registration.
Reeds efforts to help prevent financial fraud and abuse were backed by a strong coalition of consumer advocacy groups, including: the North American Securities Administrators Association (NASAA); state regulators; auditors; financial analysts; pension fund managers; the Consumer Federation of America, and AARP.
However, Reeds amendment was defeated by a voice vote and the underlying bill, which could open up the spigot to unsuspecting Americans getting solicited by unscrupulous brokers, passed on a vote of 73-26.
Speaking today on the floor of the U.S. Senate, Reed warned: By stripping away auditing standards and giving the investing public less information in almost every setting, sophisticated players and investment banks will have all the advantages.
The average investor will be operating in much more challenged circumstances. Middle-class Americans will be particularly affected.
- more -
http://www.reed.senate.gov/press/release/reed-ipo-deal-bad-for-consumers-could-harm-long-term-economic-growth
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=112&session=2&vote=00051
The bill will likely end up in conference, which means there is time to fix it.
Everyone should contact their members of Congress.
Still, given that there is a massive package of regulation still being implemented, I doubt it will have the devastating impact being predicted.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002464969
girl gone mad
(20,634 posts)We need Obama's Boiler Room Legalization Act to pass ASAP. Granny's got too much cash on the sidelines and Brantforth needs a new Ferrari.
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)Hey.... they can fix it later...
like the Health Care bill
right?
WillyT
(72,631 posts)Of course neither are most of the ACTUAL Democrats.
Actually Bernie Sanders is more of a Democrat than the actual Democrats...
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)with such Democratic Senate luminaries as Mike Mansfield, Frank Church and J. William Fulbright.
former9thward
(31,970 posts)One of only two Senators voting against the Gulf of Tonkin resolution which authorized the Vietnam War.
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)I didn't remember hearing about him, so I looked him up and found that the Oregon Senator had, indeed, been staunchly anti-war since the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution. Ironically, he lost his next re-election bid to Republican Bob Packwood in part due to his opposition to continue funding the war..
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)he's certainly not practical.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)Shameful! Bought and paid for. Money is speech, money talks. They weren't kidding.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)heard rumors - unconfirmed - that Sanders thinks Social Security benefits should not be slashed.
What's he smoking?
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)It must not be very pragmatic for the rest of us to chip in so much to keep cold people warm any more, what with those banks and wars to to save and all, so they had to cut that back. Heck, that probably saved a whole truck. Or maybe a Maserati.
But somewhere deep down inside I am glad he got the money from the state for heating assistance. It was his campaigning that got it restored.
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)catch him every Friday on Thom Hartmann's Brunch With Bernie, ET 3 PM
SomethingFishy
(4,876 posts)He knows Sanders is right.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Too dry sometimes, sorry!
Bernie is A-OK!
Plucketeer
(12,882 posts)What few dollars we can cough up for this election cycle - they'll all be going to the likes of Sanders, Grayson, Warren, Grihalva and the like. No more for the DCCC, the president or ANY of those fakers that carry a D next to their names. It's only the progressive warriors that hear the will of the folks back home.
Instead of (D) & (R), the new letters should be (C) & (CL) for Corporate and Corporate Light.
2banon
(7,321 posts)from time to time...
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Thanks for the kind words.
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)from an insider (once retired) giving Wall Street a little truth and justice... would drive everyone to call a halt to this nonsense, you'd like to think people can understand... Does it actually have to get THAT bad for people to see what has been going on and on?
This craziness must stop.
fasttense
(17,301 posts)"Only in Washington could Wall Street deregulation be sold as job creation. And on the very same day, a bill to stop malevolent use of confidential Congressional information failed to include Wall Streetthe biggest offenderin the prohibition. Its their world, and were just living in it."
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)what will these commies do next!
saras
(6,670 posts)If it is, there's no way in hell they can be trusted with the task of managing the nation's jobs, and it is stupidly self-destructive to ask them to.
If it isn't, then ALEC isn't really a problem at all, it's just a more effective way of corporations managing the job market.
RZM
(8,556 posts)They aren't big fans of Sanders over there. Apparently he's a 'technofascist disguised as a liberal' (that's an actual quote):
http://www.counterpunch.org/2011/09/30/the-myth-of-bernie-sanders/
SunSeeker
(51,550 posts)Pretty shocking to see anyone accuse Bernie of being a sellout to military contractors. Man, if they don't approve of Bernie, who do they approve of? They do make the hard to dispute point that "hes done little to constrain their [the super-rich] power and influence." But who, in the last 40 years, has?
Better Believe It
(18,630 posts)Thomas H. Naylor is Founder of the Second Vermont Republic and Professor Emeritus of Economics at Duke University.
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)You gotta hand it to Bernie. He must have had a million opportunities to sell out, too.
Justice wanted
(2,657 posts)a2liberal
(1,524 posts)chnoutte
(36 posts)if the DLC and Thridway had not taken over the democratic party.
Senator Sanders is about the only one in Congress worth supporting any more, the rest are mostly corporate whores.
polichick
(37,152 posts)...the party I'd still be a democrat.
Sometimes I imagine what the country would be like if we had lots of senators like Sanders.
xtraxritical
(3,576 posts)chnoutte
(36 posts)the GOP with their allies the 'moderate' dems have made the progress caucus a minor player with no ability to really effect any legislation.
raouldukelives
(5,178 posts)Slit Skirt
(1,789 posts)really?
case you haven't noticed he "whines" for both you and me
remember..you get what you settle for
SammyWinstonJack
(44,130 posts)midnight
(26,624 posts)In February, Common Cause wrote to House Majority Leader Eric Cantor, asking for an explanation about an apparently unreported $1,350 gift from the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC) in 2009. Cantors office immediately responded, claiming our inquiry was without foundation, but last week his office quietly amended his financial disclosures to include the gift from ALEC.
At that time, I wrote about Cantors failure to disclose:
ALEC, the so-called free market, small government lobby group underwritten by some of the nations largest corporations, reported in its tax filings for 2008 and 2009, making cash grants to the recipients of several annual awards. Common Cause has identified 22 legislators who received ALEC awards in those two years, including Rep. Cantor, who ALEC records indicate received $1,350 in 2009 as part of their Thomas Jefferson Freedom Award.
Cantor responded within hours, saying no cash changed hands, but that he received a bust of Thomas Jefferson from ALEC, pictured above. But, under House Ethics Rules this type of award can only be received by a Member of Congress if it is disclosed, which Cantor did not do. This appears to be a clear ethics violation, and we have asked the Office of Congressional Ethics to investigate. Prompted by Common Cause, Cantor has now very quietly amended his 2009 Financial Disclosure Report to include the ALEC gift. He also amended his 2010 report to include another bust given to him by the Associated Builders and Contractors trade group. We had no idea about this second award, but now we do.
Cantors relationship with ALEC really does matter. They are a highly prominent lobby group, with a clear and unambiguous agenda to advance their corporate funders interests, which includes advocating for Congressional action. So they actively seek the ear of leading politicians like Cantor, hoping that he will go to bat for them (and their corporate clients) in Congress. Of course Cantor knows why ALEC courts him, and although I am positive he would say he listens to all sides before making policy decisions, ultimately only an informed electorate can decide how much influence ALEC has on elected officialswhich is why these public disclosures are so important!http://www.commonblog.com/2012/03/16/cantor-quietly-acknowledges-failing-to-report-alec-gift/
xxqqqzme
(14,887 posts)ALEC's 'Thomas Jefferson Freedom Award' WITH cash award attached?
Who says rethuglicans don't have a sense of humor?
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)or in a current reincarnation as Bernie Sanders.
The gops take Orwell to the max.
2banon
(7,321 posts)southernyankeebelle
(11,304 posts)Go Bernie Go.
progressoid
(49,969 posts)k/r!
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)Poison pill in Medicare, Part D, must pay cost plus for drugs.
Poison pill in the Post Office bill, Ten years to fund 75 years of pension benefits.
Bernie Sanders says it as it really is, always.
Wall Street needs to be HEAVILY regulated not DEregulated!
magic59
(429 posts)If we could clone him and fill the house with Bernies then "we the people" would actually mean something instead of its empty meaning today. Sen Sanders is one of the few great Senators in history. He can't be bought.
malthaussen
(17,184 posts)Bernie is opposed to cloning human beings.
-- Mal
gateley
(62,683 posts)mother earth
(6,002 posts)a jobs bill...and for this they worked together to pass it. Bastards!
RufusTFirefly
(8,812 posts)WAR IS PEACE
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH
progressoid
(49,969 posts)sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)is to offend the gods so much that they leave Wall Street and return to Mt. Olympus in disgust, leaving us to suffer our fate without the beneficence of their invisible hands in our pockets.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)What can you say? The guy's got Integrity.
Agony
(2,605 posts)apparently also the only way to speak the unspeakable
DCBob
(24,689 posts)what's wrong with that?