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POLL: Where do you stand on PUTIN and SNOWDEN? (Original Post) CJCRANE Mar 2014 OP
Can you make this a real poll? ForgoTheConsequence Mar 2014 #1
I lost my membership star last month unfortunately CJCRANE Mar 2014 #2
What cooperation? Maedhros Mar 2014 #12
I'd say the latter. randome Mar 2014 #4
5 - don't like Putin, don't care much about Snowden cthulu2016 Mar 2014 #3
Pro-Snowden. Putin's just another "practical" politician playing to the crowd. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2014 #5
6- I think the issues are my real concern LittleBlue Mar 2014 #6
Can't we just have another Hillary poll? pinboy3niner Mar 2014 #7
2. This is not about binary thinking, Putin and Snowden are not opposing choices. bemildred Mar 2014 #8
Well, there was a thread CJCRANE Mar 2014 #9
Oh I know, just pointing it out. bemildred Mar 2014 #10
Putin's a homophobic imperialist asshole and Snowden's no paragon. NuclearDem Mar 2014 #11
5. Moreover, I am weary of the tendency to reduce issues to personalities BainsBane Mar 2014 #13
I think it was love at first sight. idendoit Mar 2014 #14
I stand with Snowden FiveGoodMen Mar 2014 #15

ForgoTheConsequence

(4,867 posts)
1. Can you make this a real poll?
Wed Mar 12, 2014, 02:54 PM
Mar 2014

I want to see if any of these "pro putin" progressives actually exist or if they just exist in the heads of certain people.

CJCRANE

(18,184 posts)
2. I lost my membership star last month unfortunately
Wed Mar 12, 2014, 02:58 PM
Mar 2014

so I can't do polls.

I don't think there are any Pro-Putin people on DU but I also wanted to point out that you can have a nuanced view because strictly speaking Snowden is a "Putin-lover", so how do people who support Snowden reconcile his cooperation with the Putin regime?

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
4. I'd say the latter.
Wed Mar 12, 2014, 03:00 PM
Mar 2014

[hr][font color="blue"][center]Precision and concision. That's the game.[/center][/font][hr]

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
8. 2. This is not about binary thinking, Putin and Snowden are not opposing choices.
Wed Mar 12, 2014, 03:16 PM
Mar 2014

You could do Putin/Kiev Gov't or something like that, that would work.

CJCRANE

(18,184 posts)
9. Well, there was a thread
Wed Mar 12, 2014, 03:23 PM
Mar 2014

that said anyone who was Pro-Putin was anti-gay.

In practice, Snowden is Pro-Putin, which might cause a dilemma for some.

I'm using this poll to show how ridiculous all the pro- and anti- popularity contests on DU are.

Geopolitics is more complex than boxing people into simplistic groups.

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
10. Oh I know, just pointing it out.
Wed Mar 12, 2014, 03:25 PM
Mar 2014

And certainly there are plenty of people who want to "think" of it that way.
Not dumping on you.

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
11. Putin's a homophobic imperialist asshole and Snowden's no paragon.
Wed Mar 12, 2014, 03:32 PM
Mar 2014

Though the discussion on the NSA had to happen and the failures of whistleblowing programs in the intelligence community made the leaks the only viable option.

BainsBane

(53,016 posts)
13. 5. Moreover, I am weary of the tendency to reduce issues to personalities
Wed Mar 12, 2014, 05:04 PM
Mar 2014

The issue of NSA surveillance of American citizens is far more important than Snowden as an individual, yet the latter is all people discuss. In regard to Putin, there is some justification of focusing on him in the Crimea situation since he controls foreign policy, but the issue is not about whether one likes or dislikes him but the geopolitical concerns that arise from that conflict. I really wish people would forsake the continual focus on individuals and deal with some of the broader issues at stake.

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