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Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
Thu Mar 13, 2014, 09:17 AM Mar 2014

CBC- The CIA shows its fangs at home






The Central Intelligence Agency is a fearsome shield.

It has kidnapped, tortured, hatched assassinations, stolen, eavesdropped, carried out experiments on human beings, even brought down governments, all in the name of protecting America.

Its powers are amplified by its professional expertise at stealth, misdirection, and coverups. Proof is often legally unobtainable.

So, it operates under two absolute prohibitions.

Just as the Roman army was forbidden to enter Rome, the CIA must restrict itself to foreign operations. And it must submit to Washington’s civilian authority and oversight. It is required to use its fangs abroad, and show its throat here at home.

The logic is obvious: to allow covert employees of America’s deep state to turn inward would risk transforming this country into something more like the nations where the words “secret police” inspire fear.

Slipping its legal leashes

In recent years, though, it appears the agency has chosen to slip both of its legal leashes.............more


http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/the-cia-shows-its-fangs-at-home-neil-macdonald-1.2570398
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CBC- The CIA shows its fangs at home (Original Post) Ichingcarpenter Mar 2014 OP
Color me paranoid, but Jackpine Radical Mar 2014 #1
I think so , too, with the curtain being lifted momentarily deutsey Mar 2014 #3
This summary is stark: dixiegrrrrl Mar 2014 #2
Would CIA kill a President to defend America? Octafish Mar 2014 #4
I think the CBC showed its fangs against the CIA Ichingcarpenter Mar 2014 #5
It's a battle between Secret Government and the People. Octafish Mar 2014 #6
Zelikow Appointed to Obama's Intelligence Advisory Board Ichingcarpenter Mar 2014 #8
Says a lot. Did you hear the good Doctor Professor Sunstein's latest has been published? Octafish Mar 2014 #11
Neil MacDonald is a gem laundry_queen Mar 2014 #7
Plus, he's the brother of this guy: africanadian Mar 2014 #13
Okay that was something I totally didn't know, LOL. Interesting. nt laundry_queen Mar 2014 #14
Lack of accountability emboldens people. Solly Mack Mar 2014 #9
K&R..they're more a poison than anything else. Jefferson23 Mar 2014 #10
K&R woo me with science Mar 2014 #12

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
1. Color me paranoid, but
Thu Mar 13, 2014, 09:20 AM
Mar 2014

I don't think any of this stuff is a recent development. I think they've been doing it since about 1948.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
2. This summary is stark:
Thu Mar 13, 2014, 09:47 AM
Mar 2014
The CIA proceeded to obstruct, stall, and generally stonewall, then turned around and tried to drown Feinstein’s staff with millions of unindexed documents — “a true document dump,” in her words.

When researchers did find interesting documents, the CIA took them back, electronically deleting nearly a thousand from the database provided the committee.


It would be so marvelous if Congress would really follow thru on this. both sides are concerned about the issue, which is good.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
4. Would CIA kill a President to defend America?
Thu Mar 13, 2014, 10:41 AM
Mar 2014

Not as an organization, but some rogue plutocrat with plausible deniability just might.

JFK Conference: David Talbot named Allen Dulles as 'the Chairman of the Board of the Assassination'

Thank you for an outstanding read and your usual outstanind post, Ichingcarpenter. Must-reads, both.

Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
5. I think the CBC showed its fangs against the CIA
Thu Mar 13, 2014, 10:49 AM
Mar 2014

This guy is like Walter Cronkite in Canada.

I was amazed how he immediately went for the throat on the CIA.

I'm getting sick of these post that obstinate the whole fricking torture issue into a petty squabble between Congress and the White House and call it just

MURKY with blue links.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
6. It's a battle between Secret Government and the People.
Thu Mar 13, 2014, 11:25 AM
Mar 2014

From the CBC:

Just as the Roman army was forbidden to enter Rome, the CIA must restrict itself to foreign operations. And it must submit to Washington’s civilian authority and oversight. It is required to use its fangs abroad, and show its throat here at home.

It's like the Internet got infiltrated by the acolytes of Philip Zelikow and Cass Sunstein.

Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
8. Zelikow Appointed to Obama's Intelligence Advisory Board
Thu Mar 13, 2014, 11:40 AM
Mar 2014

SEPTEMBER 7, 2011
ROB SEAL
September 7, 2011 — President Obama appointed Philip Zelikow, associate dean for graduate academic programs in the University of Virginia's Graduate School of Arts & Sciences, to serve on the President's Intelligence Advisory Board, the White House announced Tuesday.

Zelikow, White Burkett Miller Professor of History, will remain with the University while serving on the board, which serves as an independent source of advice to the president on the intelligence community's effectiveness in meeting the nation's intelligence needs, and on the vigor and insight with which the community plans for the future.


http://news.virginia.edu/node/15988?id=15988

Now the real meat



Cheney and his Bush puppet picked Zelikow to write the 9/11 Commission Report, it was a strong indication that they were turning to the original author of the event – the specialist in the “creation and maintenance of public myths” who had created the official myth of 9/11 by authoring the script of the event.

In late 2000 and early 2001, Zelikow served on President Bush's transition team. After George W. Bush took office, Zelikow was named to a position on the President's Foreign Intelligence Advisory

Dr. Rice, the national security advisor, "ordered that the document be completely rewritten. She thought the Bush administration needed something bolder, something that would represent a more dramatic break with the ideas of the past. Rice turned the writing over to her old colleague, University of Virginia Professor Philip Zelikow." This document, issued on September 17, 2002, is recognized as a significant document in the Bush administration doctrine of preemptive war


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_D._Zelikow#George_W._Bush_administration

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
11. Says a lot. Did you hear the good Doctor Professor Sunstein's latest has been published?
Thu Mar 13, 2014, 01:46 PM
Mar 2014
Phil Zelikow is not as famous as the Vulgar Pigboy, yet also has done immeasurable damage to the nation.



He's somehow chums with other, em, leading lights of darkness.

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Makes me want to get up and scream, it does.

Solly Mack

(90,758 posts)
9. Lack of accountability emboldens people.
Thu Mar 13, 2014, 11:45 AM
Mar 2014

Years of no accountability, other than token hand slaps with promises to do better, creates monsters.

This outcome is neither shocking nor surprising.

Sadly, it is such a predictable outcome that one wonders if the repetition of bad acts/hand slaps/move forward/rinse/repeat in a few years isn't by design.



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