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Fri Mar 14, 2014, 10:25 AM

Another Guardian article disputing Russia's claims of Ukrainian fascist coup.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/13/ukraine-uprising-fascist-coup-grassroots-movement?CMP=twt_gu

Kiev's protesters: Ukraine uprising was no neo-Nazi power-grab

Luke Harding
The Guardian, Thursday 13 March 2014 16.14 EDT


On 20 February, as revolution engulfed the centre of Kiev, Joseph Schilling, a 61-year-old builder from western Ukraine, went to the frontline to join the protests against President Viktor Yanukovych's government. He was standing beneath the neoclassical October Palace once a girls' seminary and later the HQ for Lenin's secret police when a sniper shot him in the head.

The place where Schilling died is now festooned with flowers. There are carnations, tulips and a tub of spring crocuses. Schilling's photo, near his barricade, reveals a man in late middle age wearing a tie, his hair neatly combed. Here too are images of other members of the "Heavenly Hundred" the name given to the 102 protesters who have perished near the Maidan, Kiev's central Independence Square.

The Kremlin describes last month's uprising in next-door Ukraine as an illegitimate fascist coup. It says dark rightwing forces have taken over the government, forcing Moscow to "protect" Ukraine's ethnic Russian minority. The local government in Crimea is preparing for a referendum on Sunday which could lead to Russia annexing the region. Yanukovych, meanwhile, has fled to Russia.

Schilling, however, was an unlikely fascist. A father of two daughters, he and his wife Anna had lived in Italy. They had four grandchildren. Moreover, he was Jewish.
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Reply Another Guardian article disputing Russia's claims of Ukrainian fascist coup. (Original post)
Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2014 OP
The Magistrate Mar 2014 #1
steve2470 Mar 2014 #2
penultimate Mar 2014 #3
geek tragedy Mar 2014 #5
geek tragedy Mar 2014 #4
steve2470 Mar 2014 #6
geek tragedy Mar 2014 #8
The Magistrate Mar 2014 #10
steve2470 Mar 2014 #11
Igel Mar 2014 #13
riqster Mar 2014 #7
functioning_cog Mar 2014 #9
LuvNewcastle Mar 2014 #12
starroute Mar 2014 #14

Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Fri Mar 14, 2014, 11:16 AM

1. An Excellent Commentary, Sir

Thank you for sharing it.

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Fri Mar 14, 2014, 11:18 AM

2. The Guardian is a fascist Ukraine apologist rag !

in case I need to

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Fri Mar 14, 2014, 11:20 AM

3. I don't understand why those Ukrainian people are protesting at all

wouldn't it be better for them to just shut up and let Russia do what it wants? What right do they have to think they can protest anyway?

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Response to penultimate (Reply #3)

Fri Mar 14, 2014, 11:21 AM

5. sadly, this comment could almost be the real opinion of some people here nt

 

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Fri Mar 14, 2014, 11:21 AM

4. I wonder what the Putinistas will say if he invades Ukraine in

 

Operation Ukrainian Freedom.

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #4)

Fri Mar 14, 2014, 11:24 AM

6. Putin is saving the Ukraine from western dominance by the IMF

That will be close to it.

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Response to steve2470 (Reply #6)

Fri Mar 14, 2014, 11:25 AM

8. So, they're back to the USSR talking points in defense of a rightwing ultranationalist

 

state using aggressive war to support its policy of regional imperialism.

And then they wonder why no one respects them or considers them progressives.

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Response to steve2470 (Reply #6)

Fri Mar 14, 2014, 11:31 AM

10. You have The Gift Of Second Sight, Sir

Please use it only for good....

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Response to The Magistrate (Reply #10)

Fri Mar 14, 2014, 11:34 AM

11. I do my best, good sir

I admit, there are concerns over the Ukraine government and exactly how it came about. However, the Russians have taken exactly the wrong approach to dealing with it.

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Response to steve2470 (Reply #11)

Fri Mar 14, 2014, 12:07 PM

13. The past is prolog.

But the prolog does not determine the entire narrative nor the conclusion, except in something that is very well thought out and entirely under the authors' control. In that scenario, the future cannot be rewritten even though it has yet to be written the first time.

Our enemies must always be omniscient and omnipotent. That way when we defeat them it just shows our true inner awesomeness.

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Fri Mar 14, 2014, 11:25 AM

7. A good read.

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Fri Mar 14, 2014, 11:29 AM

9. Keep this, the truth, kicked

 

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Fri Mar 14, 2014, 12:01 PM

12. Good article.

I agree with the diplomat who said that Putin's Russia is about as close to a fascist state as there is. I hope he dies before he starts a world war. I think that if he lives, the west is going to be in a military showdown with him, if not over Ukraine then some other issue.

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Fri Mar 14, 2014, 12:39 PM

14. Another Guardian reporter with an axe to grind

I'll grant that the Russians have been pushing the Ukrainian/neo-Nazi connection pretty hard. But the people who have been trying most assiduously to debunk it have their own agenda. Luke Harding was formerly a correspondent in Russia who made himself unwelcome by calling it a Mafia state, has since gotten into trouble over a plagiarism scandal, and has written infamously antagonistic books on Wikileaks and on Edward Snowden.

The truth may well lie somewhere in the middle. But to keep posting articles by Western neoliberals and others who have a stake in downplaying the fascist element in Ukraine and presenting these as sober analyses of the situation by people with impeccable credentials does not contribute to a balanced assessment.

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