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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI will not believe ANYTHING about flight 370
until the plane is found and some credible evidence can be shown and backed by reliable sources.
Even then, there has been so much BS given out that anything found will be suspect.
It's the old questions.
Who knew what? When? Why the coverup/and or delay?
It all reeks.
New Earth
(9,745 posts)I'm actually all for the alien theory
Reter
(2,188 posts)Myrina
(12,296 posts)fadedrose
(10,044 posts)From what I've seen of ufo-related misadventures, this is too botched up for them to be connected.
Nobody saw a ufo the size of the ones in Denver, which would have been required to capture a traveling 707....
As much as I wish it were so that the folks on the plane were alive, I can't believe this was a ufo incident.
Taking the plane to 45,000 feet apparently made the passengers unconscious - maybe to prevent the panic that was occurring and fights started by passengers to recapture the plane. Unconscious long enough, they probably died.
In another post I asked why no one used their cell phones - there are satellites a knowledgeable passenger could have signalled somehow (?) maybe...the altitute took care of that problem.
I have no hope for the passengers. This was done by evil people for whatever "lofty" goal they had in mind.
sakabatou
(42,152 posts)randome
(34,845 posts)Moreover, the full truth probably won't be fully fleshed out until weeks AFTER the plane is found.
Coverup? Delay? There are too many stakeholders trying to get at the bottom of this.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Everything is a satellite to some other thing.[/center][/font][hr]
Are_grits_groceries
(17,111 posts)However, there has been so much backtracking and contradictory statements that it makes me wonder.
It could be sheer incompetence, but who knows.
randome
(34,845 posts)It could simply be something new enough that no one knows how to react. It's starting to sound like a real-life James Bond thriller, although I'm sure it will be less melodramatic once all the facts are in.
And we have a lot people trying to simultaneously solve this. Too many cooks, you know.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]
avebury
(10,952 posts)that not one person got off so much as a text message that some thing was not right (that we know of). In an era where so many people have cell phones, laptops and tablets I would think that the odds were good that there were a lot of cellphones and/or other electronic devices on that plane. While it might be difficult for someone to get off a phone call or text the further the plane flew over the Indian Ocean but early on might it be possible to get off some type of call/text? Yes the plane was late at night but experienced flyers might have sat up and thought what the heck when the plane did that first sharp turn.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)not arouse suspicion.
avebury
(10,952 posts)It depends upon what he might have said and how it lined up with subsequent events. If there were a lot more Americans on board the odds are that it wouldn't matter what the pilot said, there would be text messages going out. Texting is such in integral part of American society these days.
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)Just saying. The texting culture in China makes US texting look like an obsolete throwback.
avebury
(10,952 posts)that there are no reports of any texts being sent from the plane by any passengers. People text all the time, sometimes for the most mindless reasons. Texting has often replaced actual verbal communication.
At cruising altitude and speed, you can't text from an airplane even IF you were over an area with cell towers.
In order to text from a plane, the aircraft has to be equipped with its own network that is then piped out via satellite.
The aircraft is a big metal tube with tiny little holes in it. Even taxiing on the runway, it can be difficult to connect to a network unless you are right by a window.
And, believe it or not, engineers are not completely stupid. They don't waste power designing antennas for cell networks that provide significant coverage up above them where there are no people.
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)Sit up there with no comm available period until you collect up all the phones.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)Yo_Mama
(8,303 posts)It is likely the passengers were sacrificed very early in the sequence by depressurization of the cabin. Even the cabin crew only have I think about 20 minutes of oxygen in their emergency supply canisters.
There are control panels in the cockpit for the major systems.
avebury
(10,952 posts)would that person be able to re-pressurize the plane after the passengers were killed?
If it were deliberately done and didn't occur as a result of structural or equipment failure.
It looks to me that the Malaysian authorities really have known what happened since sometime on Tuesday and definitely by Wednesday, but it seemed so extreme that they didn't want to come out and say anything until they had agreement and consistency in agreement from other authorities. The "ping" satellite data confirmed their suppositions, because it confirms their radar track identifications.
There may have been a struggle in the cockpit which would account for the sudden altitude loss detected at one point. If someone realized what was being done, that person might have tried to seize control and bring the aircraft down to a low altitude per SOP so that the cabin air could repressurize from the outside. If so, it looks like that person lost his/her life in an attempt to save others.
If it had been an equipment or structural failure, the plane could not have been repressurized and was flying long enough at high enough altitudes to exhaust the cockpit air supplies. A knowledgeable person (probably the pilot) could have programmed the navigational sequence and left the piane flying ghost until it ditched when the fuel ran out, but the motive if the person were not guilty is hard to imagine, and it appears that someone with access to the cockpit deliberately started disengaging tracking systems in a planned sequence before the loss of contact.
This does not mean that pilot was guilty. A pilot would normally act to preserve the lives of the passengers, and even if the pilot did the course programming, the pilot may have been acting under duress. It's possible, for example, that the pilot may have programmed this course while telling the attacker(s) that it was a different course in an attempt to protect civilians in case he could not regain control of the plane. What's notable about the course trajectory is that there is very little time over land. They'd have been flying in the dark for hours, and by the time the attackers figured out what was up they might not have been able to recover, or even to figure out where they were.
Depressurizing the cabin wouldn't require much knowledge. Programming the course would.
I've written this highly speculative but possible scenario because I don't want to fuel slander of those who may have died heroes by pointing out the rather obvious - that the passengers must have been dead, or someone would have gotten a cell phone signal out over the ensuing hours, and that the initial altitude climb was probably an attempt to kill them rapidly.
We don't know who diverted the flight or why, but it cannot have been a simple "pilot suicide" scenario, because there was a clear attempt to buy time by evading detection and creating confusion and a pilot has no need for such elaborations if he wants to take a plane down. There probably was at least one attempt to wrest control back and save the passengers. If the pilot survived that attempt, I can easily imagine that he might switch his priorities to protecting potential civil targets by essentially putting the plane on a path to nowhere. In his grief and rage over the passengers' fate, he might not have cared much about his own life, and who can fairly argue that his priorities were wrong?
Or he may have programmed the course before then in an attempt to gain time, while telling the perps that he was programming a very different course. A western course flies into the night and maximizes flight time in the dark.
This is a very horrible incident, and care should be taken to avoid unfairly maligning the innocent. Eventually I do believe they will find the wreckage, but it may not tell them that much due to the hours of flight after the diversion.
avebury
(10,952 posts)might have taken place, certainly better then what the MSM is putting out there.
longship
(40,416 posts)FreeJoe
(1,039 posts)I don't think that sending a text would work that far from a tower.
MineralMan
(146,288 posts)HipChick
(25,485 posts)I had accidently left my phone on, and as soon as it connected...all the queued text messages popped on like crazy...but nothing over open water...
ananda
(28,858 posts)I've never seen such a mishmash of various search operations.
It reminds me of Keystone Cops running around like crazed ants.
It really does reek of serious incompetency and wild speculation.
Yo_Mama
(8,303 posts)This appears to me to have been a very efficient operation under circumstances that are extremely unusual.
Grolph
(2 posts)Dirigibles, huge nets, cloak of invisibility
sibelian
(7,804 posts)YU AM SUCH TEH SHEEP
Don't you understand what an important story this is for POLITICALLY UNBLINKERED NON-SHEEP all over the Globe? I think you have a neurotic personality flaw that renders you incapable of relating to UNDERAPPRECIATED ICONOCLASTS.
I will look in the big Book of Internet Personality Flaws.
dum de dum
hmmmmm
You are a CONFORMIST! YES! You are slavishly devoted to AUTHORITAH! Also one of your trouser legs is slightly too short and your face is funny looking.
I've got a gut feeling about you, you know.
Are_grits_groceries
(17,111 posts)sibelian
(7,804 posts)I kid you.
Baclava
(12,047 posts)"I wouldn't believe one word anyone is saying during this clusterfuck till they find the actual plane"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=755748
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)Was watching some CNN at the local restaurant. Looked like 24/7 flight 370. I won't watch Fox but I'll bet they will say Obama had something to do with or is responsible for what ever happened to flight 370.
RKP5637
(67,105 posts)bunch of seeming mush and incompetence to draw from. Then again, as someone else basically posted, this may be so weird that none have sufficient expertise. In the initial bit, they would have been looking IMO for a traditional crash, and with this, the weirdness of it all just seems to grow and grow.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)rustydog
(9,186 posts)Until and IF the plane/wreckage is found, it will be conjecture.
If parties come forward to "confess" we won't know.