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MADem

(135,425 posts)
Sat Mar 15, 2014, 03:44 PM Mar 2014

Russia Wipes Opposition Sites From The Internet



I don’t even know if anyone is reading this anymore.”


Russia has all but eliminated the free media as it fights an information war against the West over Ukraine, with prosecutors blocking independent websites and other publications making editorial changes under obvious Kremlin pressure.
Russia’s general prosecutor’s office announced late Thursday that it was blocking the independent news websites Kasparov.ru, run by chess champion and self-exiled opposition figure Garry Kasparov, EJ.ru, and Grani. ru for inciting “illegal activity” and participating in unsanctioned protests. Prosecutors also banned anti-corruption activist Alexey Navalny’s blog, by far the country’s most popular and a flashpoint for anti-Putin sentiment, on the grounds that posting to it violated the terms of his house arrest, which bars him from using the internet.
“I don’t even know if anyone is reading this anymore,” read a post on Navalny’s blog. The post said Navalny’s wife, Yulia Navalnaya, and his Foundation for Fighting Corruption have been running the blog since Navalny’s bail was revoked Feb. 28. Numerous Twitter users reported that LiveJournal, the service hosting Navalny’s blog, and the Ekho Moskvy radio website, which reposted it, were entirely unavailable on some internet providers, though Russia’s internet registry said they had not been banned.
Russia passed a law late last year allowing prosecutors to ban websites that promote “rioting, racial hatred, or extremism” without a court order. The law also covers websites with foreign servers, which will be banned in Russia if their owner ignores a cease and desist letter. According to a list published by internet freedom activists, the only other websites to be banned under the law promote Islamic radicalism or white supremacism.
Russian President Vladimir Putin quickly moved to monopolize television, the majority of Russians’ sole source of news, in the early 2000s shortly after he took power, but for years was largely content to allow the country’s few dissenters space in print and online. After opposition activists bypassed an effective national media blackout through social and digital media to organize unprecedented demonstrations against him that catapulted Navalny to national fame, however, Russia began making steps to rein in the country’s few independent publications and passed a law allowing it to block websites on request.
The political crisis in Ukraine has seen the Kremlin escalate its efforts to assert control over the flow of information, with every major independent publication making surprise masthead changes under obvious political pressure.
Thirty-nine employees of Lenta.ru, the country’s most popular independent news site, quit en masse Thursday after their owner unexpectedly fired its editor-in-chief. The founder of VK, Russia’s wildly popular Facebook clone, was forced out of the company in January by Kremlin-linked investors after pressure over his efforts to resist censoring opposition pages......


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Russia Wipes Opposition Sites From The Internet (Original Post) MADem Mar 2014 OP
And false equivalency in 3...2...1... NuclearDem Mar 2014 #1
Is this false? Why Syzygy Mar 2014 #32
How is that the same thing at all? NuclearDem Mar 2014 #33
Putin's cheerleaders (many of whom are anti-LGBT) will celebrate this Cali_Democrat Mar 2014 #2
Yeah, I know--I think it's becoming increasingly clear that they're backing the wrong horse. nt MADem Mar 2014 #8
Russia: Media black-out ahead of disputed Crimea referendum ProSense Mar 2014 #3
+1 nt MADem Mar 2014 #4
I think we should take bets how much more oppressive Russia will need to get before supporters here stevenleser Mar 2014 #5
A few of 'em---and they've been here for awhile, too--continue to double down. MADem Mar 2014 #7
Happy to be rec #5...nt SidDithers Mar 2014 #6
+1 nt MADem Mar 2014 #17
No matter what is going on it is obvious that putin learned his trade in the KGB. Having lived jwirr Mar 2014 #9
Of course he did, and he learned it on the ground as an operative in East Germany. MADem Mar 2014 #16
Kasparov as a Bilderberg member/attendee, the US isn't enforcing its laws like the Logan Act jakeXT Mar 2014 #10
We're making this about the Bilderberg conspiracy theory? stevenleser Mar 2014 #11
Sad and pathetic attempt at wooing Kasparov... MADem Mar 2014 #13
Not sure what point you are making, there... MADem Mar 2014 #12
I wonder if Russia has similar laws and could enforce them against Kasparov, who in the past was jakeXT Mar 2014 #14
They've just shut him down and shut him up. MADem Mar 2014 #19
He is following McCain, Ted Cruz and Anne Coulter on twitter, I wonder what kind of president he jakeXT Mar 2014 #24
He's a RW'er. Pirate Smile Mar 2014 #40
That sucks, truly, but it doesn't excuse him being silenced by Putin, TBH. nt AverageJoe90 Mar 2014 #42
He has a Croatian passport now, and will probably spend some time there jakeXT Mar 2014 #52
He follows Coluter to Colbert, Cruz to O'Donnell. joshcryer Mar 2014 #58
He could be doing that for laughs, for all you know. MADem Mar 2014 #63
What does the Logan Act have to do Russian censorship? n/t ProSense Mar 2014 #20
As I said before, I wonder if they have something similar in Russia /nt jakeXT Mar 2014 #26
Again, what's the relevance? n/t ProSense Mar 2014 #28
They are afraid of regime change financed by the NED through figures like Kasparov or Navalny jakeXT Mar 2014 #35
The Logan Act has nothing to do with CTs, and that's irrelevant to the OP. n/t ProSense Mar 2014 #36
What is CTs jakeXT Mar 2014 #37
Conspiracy theories. n/t ProSense Mar 2014 #57
Too high profile to go after. joshcryer Mar 2014 #56
Snowden lol BeyondGeography Mar 2014 #15
LMAO!.. HipChick Mar 2014 #18
I'm waiting for his strongly worded statement! Adrahil Mar 2014 #64
Kick treestar Mar 2014 #21
Seems like some here on the DU forgot or ignored the fact Iliyah Mar 2014 #22
Yet some idiots still insist rt.com is a legitimate geek tragedy Mar 2014 #23
Well, we have Infowars to tell us whats REALLY going on, so they have RT! nt 7962 Mar 2014 #54
Fancy that. DeSwiss Mar 2014 #25
That ProSense Mar 2014 #27
I'm sure you're going to produce examples of people being killed for criticizing the government geek tragedy Mar 2014 #29
Putin does that actually. NuclearDem Mar 2014 #30
Repubs still alive and kicking and screeching, so... no. TwilightGardener Mar 2014 #31
Putin has done that. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #38
Won't be long before Putin's Russia collapses. Benton D Struckcheon Mar 2014 #34
Good job reporting on this, MADem.. Cha Mar 2014 #39
I thought this was pretty salient! nt MADem Mar 2014 #46
I posted this in LBN about that yesterday.. Cha Mar 2014 #53
Demonstrations planned without the consent of the government...well, golly gee Gomer! MADem Mar 2014 #60
Dupes. They apparently chose to overlook Putin as Chief Dictator and Gay Hater Cha Mar 2014 #61
Well, there's also the perception of Putin as the Guardian of the Precious.... MADem Mar 2014 #62
Yep. No doubt that Russia under Putin is trying to become a semi-fascist state now. AverageJoe90 Mar 2014 #41
Read Aleksander Dugin's Berlin Expat Mar 2014 #49
Yes! I've been saying this. Putin is following Dugin's roadmap. joshcryer Mar 2014 #59
But I'll bet RT is still there. William769 Mar 2014 #43
Of course, that's the Pooter's Cuter Channel! nt MADem Mar 2014 #44
This underscores Russia's bullshit claims about Ukraine. blackspade Mar 2014 #45
What did Glenn Greenwald, Julian Assange, and Ed Snowden collectively have to say? geek tragedy Mar 2014 #47
I'm betting their websites aren't blocked...! nt MADem Mar 2014 #48
Here is their response... stevenleser Mar 2014 #50
Once a KGB butcher, always a KGB butcher. riqster Mar 2014 #51
Putin? Who'da thunk it? nt Hekate Mar 2014 #55
And sanitizing. moondust Mar 2014 #65
LOL! Bravo! ProSense Mar 2014 #66

Why Syzygy

(18,928 posts)
32. Is this false?
Sat Mar 15, 2014, 05:48 PM
Mar 2014
http://www.google.com/transparencyreport/removals/government/

Like other technology and communications companies, Google regularly receives requests from government agencies and courts around the world to remove content from our services or to review such content to determine if it should be removed for inconsistency with a product's community policies. In this report, we disclose the number of requests we receive from each government in six-month periods with certain limitations.

Governments ask companies to remove or review content for many different reasons. For example, some content removals are requested due to allegations of defamation, while others are due to allegations that the content violates local laws prohibiting hate speech or adult content. Laws surrounding these issues vary by country, and the requests reflect the legal context of a given jurisdiction. We hope this tool will be helpful in discussions about the appropriate scope and authority of government requests.
 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
33. How is that the same thing at all?
Sat Mar 15, 2014, 05:54 PM
Mar 2014

Google complies with court orders or police requests barely over 50% of the time, and as far as I can see, the OWS, CPUSA, Green Party, GOP, and Freeperville websites are still up.

False equivalence.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
3. Russia: Media black-out ahead of disputed Crimea referendum
Sat Mar 15, 2014, 03:47 PM
Mar 2014
Russia: Media black-out ahead of disputed Crimea referendum

The Russian authorities have launched a full-scale onslaught on the few remaining independent media in Russia, blocking a number of internet sites in the Russian Federation, Amnesty International said..."The blocking of these sites is a clear violation of the right to freedom of expression. It is an unashamed attack on those who still dare to question the Kremlin-dictated narrative by providing independent, impartial information and offer a platform for free debate,” said John Dalhuisen, Europe and Central Asia Programme Director at Amnesty International.

“In the past months and weeks the Russian authorities have embarked on a campaign to stifle free media. It started with unofficial censorship and self-censorship, and quickly evolved into open gagging of independent media outlets. This is reminiscent of the Soviet-era jamming of radio stations.”

The Office of the Prosecutor General of the Russian Federation ordered the blocking of several high profile sites for purportedly making “appeals for illegal activity and participation in mass events, organized in violation of the established order.”

The sites blocked include: Grani.ru, Kasparov.ru, EJ.ru, the blog of the opposition activist Aleksei Navalny on the Moscow Echo radio station website and the Livejournal.com website which hosts many popular blogs.

- more -

https://www.amnesty.org/en/news/russia-media-black-out-ahead-disputed-crimea-referendum-2014-03-14

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
5. I think we should take bets how much more oppressive Russia will need to get before supporters here
Sat Mar 15, 2014, 03:53 PM
Mar 2014

are forced to either go silent or publicly take back that support.

Even the Bush administration did not shut down DailyKos or DU or Smirking Chimp.

Russia is now officially worse than the Bush-led Neocon version of America of 2001-2008

MADem

(135,425 posts)
7. A few of 'em---and they've been here for awhile, too--continue to double down.
Sat Mar 15, 2014, 04:00 PM
Mar 2014

It's got to suck being on the wrong side of morality, dignity, human rights, equality and, of course, history.

Your last sentence is probably the only perverse "bright spot" (said snarkily, mind you). A leader has got to be a repressive, sucky asshole to push the memory of Porgie to the back pages!

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
9. No matter what is going on it is obvious that putin learned his trade in the KGB. Having lived
Sat Mar 15, 2014, 04:10 PM
Mar 2014

through the cold war with the USSR this sounds all to familiar.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
16. Of course he did, and he learned it on the ground as an operative in East Germany.
Sat Mar 15, 2014, 04:54 PM
Mar 2014

He obviously made some good connections during his career, and while in East Germany, supposedly left behind an out-of-wedlock son, too (bit of Pootie gossip, that). Be interesting to see what's up with that kid....

jakeXT

(10,575 posts)
10. Kasparov as a Bilderberg member/attendee, the US isn't enforcing its laws like the Logan Act
Sat Mar 15, 2014, 04:15 PM
Mar 2014
The Logan Act (1 Stat. 613, 30 January 1799, currently codified at 18 U.S.C. § 953) is a United States federal law that forbids unauthorized citizens from negotiating with foreign governments. It was passed in 1799 and last amended in 1994. Violation of the Logan Act is a felony, punishable under federal law with imprisonment of up to three years.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logan_Act


UPDATED, 11:24 a.m.: The meeting's gotten less secretive. The Bilderberg website now lists the 2012 Bilderberg Meeting participants. Among them are Keith B. Alexander from the National Security Agency, H.R.H. Prince Philippe of Belgium, Harvard professor Niall Ferguson, China's Vice Minister of Foreign Affairs Ying Fu, Russian chess grandmaster and activist Garry Kasparov, Massachusetts Senator John Kerry, President of the Environmental Defense Fund Fred Krupp and entrepreneur Peter Thiel. See the whole list here.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/31/bilderberg-2012-global-le_n_1558788.html


MADem

(135,425 posts)
12. Not sure what point you are making, there...
Sat Mar 15, 2014, 04:27 PM
Mar 2014

You are crabbing about the attendance of a Russian civilian at a conference attended by a number of other people from countries all over the world, from inside and outside governments where the guest list is published. That's the ENTIRE guest list, and here it is: http://www.bilderbergmeetings.org/participants2012.html

And your material is TWO years OLD.

So...what was that point you wanted to make? This has absolutely nothing to do with the Logan Act, which doesn't control a Russian chess player, so disabuse yourself of that chestnut straight away.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
19. They've just shut him down and shut him up.
Sat Mar 15, 2014, 04:59 PM
Mar 2014

They obliterated his presence from the net. He's a defacto enemy of the state for daring to express disapproval with the Bear Riding, Fish Kissing, Tiger Hunter.

jakeXT

(10,575 posts)
52. He has a Croatian passport now, and will probably spend some time there
Sat Mar 15, 2014, 06:51 PM
Mar 2014

Garry Kasparov Gets Croatian Passport

The government said on Monday that Kasparov, who owns a house on Croatia's Adriatic coast, was granted a Croatian passport last week.

Croatian media have reported that Kasparov plans to run a chess academy in a coastal town and help introduce chess to Croatian schools.

Kasparov, 50, who first became World Chess Champion at the age of 22, has been a prominent opposition figure in Russia and a fierce critic of President Vladimir Putin.

Croatian officials have praised Kasparov for his support for the country's struggle for independence from Yugoslavia during the bloody breakup of the former federation in the 1990s.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/garry-kasparov-croatian-passport-22748698

joshcryer

(62,266 posts)
58. He follows Coluter to Colbert, Cruz to O'Donnell.
Sat Mar 15, 2014, 07:29 PM
Mar 2014

So not sure if this is relevant. He does appear to be highly anti-Putin so he will likely identify with anyone who criticizes Putin. Unfortunately the left tends to have a fascination with fascists like Putin on occasion.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
63. He could be doing that for laughs, for all you know.
Sat Mar 15, 2014, 10:43 PM
Mar 2014

You don't think Left Wingers follow nutcases just to keep track of what they're doing? I suspect you might be cherry picking.

He also follows James Wood, The Last Word with Laurence O'Donnell, Nate Silver, Ronan Farrow, Cory Booker, Dump Russian Vodka (an LGBT effort), Human Rights Foundation, Oslo Freedom Forum, and NPR On Point, to name a few.

I'd say his list of "follows" for Twitter have more to do with getting a wide range of views rather than following an ideological path.

jakeXT

(10,575 posts)
35. They are afraid of regime change financed by the NED through figures like Kasparov or Navalny
Sat Mar 15, 2014, 06:00 PM
Mar 2014
A number of incidents from Navalny’s past, eagerly disseminated by pro-Kremlin media, have likely also influenced the negative perception of the anti-corruption activist. These include e-mail correspondence allegedly showing that a political analyst paid Navalny $50,000 for a smear campaign against the aluminum company Rusal, as well as Navalny’s participation in the six-month Yale World Fellows Program and acceptance of a grant from the National Endowment for Democracy.

http://www.thenation.com/article/175389/despite-his-politicized-trial-aleksei-navalny-still-divisive-figure-russia



In addition, Russia's opposition movement will surely want to use the successful experience and technology of the Euromaidan protests and, with the help and financial support of the West, try to carry out their own revolution in Moscow. The goal: to remove President Vladimir Putin from power and install a puppet leadership that will sell Russia's strategic interests out to the West in the same way former President Boris Yeltsin did in the 1990s.

http://www.themoscowtimes.com/opinion/article/why-there-will-be-war-in-ukraine/495740.html

treestar

(82,383 posts)
21. Kick
Sat Mar 15, 2014, 05:05 PM
Mar 2014

Very unfortunate for the Russian people. They had seemed to be getting away from this sort of thing.

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
22. Seems like some here on the DU forgot or ignored the fact
Sat Mar 15, 2014, 05:10 PM
Mar 2014

that Putin has taken over all Russia's media. Something that most Libertarians/GOP would love to do here in the good USA. Also it appears that he will take over the Ukraine and probably appoint a President and thereby have those so called Russian elections ya'know the ones that will keep Putin in power forever. Any opposition will be silence including control of social media as well.

All the hoopla about America's 1st, 2nd, and 4th amendments that some here keep shouting about - hopefully will remain intact, but like Russia, if we allow certain fractions into power - say goodbye because it will only apply only a few.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
23. Yet some idiots still insist rt.com is a legitimate
Sat Mar 15, 2014, 05:13 PM
Mar 2014

news source that provides valuable insight, even though it is run by the same Russian government that shuts down other websites because they criticize Putin.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
27. That
Sat Mar 15, 2014, 05:39 PM
Mar 2014

"We just murder our opposition. "

...has to be the most bizarre attempt to defend Putin.

I mean, can you point to where people "murder" is being used to silence people on DU, Daily Kos, Fox or any other Internet site critical of any U.S. adminstration?

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
29. I'm sure you're going to produce examples of people being killed for criticizing the government
Sat Mar 15, 2014, 05:40 PM
Mar 2014

Because otherwise that's just a really lame attempt to deflect

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
30. Putin does that actually.
Sat Mar 15, 2014, 05:44 PM
Mar 2014

Sometimes the poisons work, other times they just horribly disfigure somebody.

Democratic and Republican politicians, staffers, or voters aren't being assassinated by the government for being opposed to whichever party is in power.

Benton D Struckcheon

(2,347 posts)
34. Won't be long before Putin's Russia collapses.
Sat Mar 15, 2014, 05:58 PM
Mar 2014
The fact is that Europe depends less on Russian gas than Russia depends on European gas consumers. The rest is politics.


http://blogs.independent.co.uk/2014/03/12/europe-can-wean-itself-off-russian-gas/

(There was a DU thread about this, but I honestly don't remember it anymore; if someone can post the link to that, it would be appreciated.)

He sells the most primitive commodity imaginable, stuff to burn, and thinks that makes him powerful. In a few years, as more renewables come on stream and as alternate sources of gas and oil continue to be found, Russia will be irrelevant. Sanctions will hurt Europe in the short term, but they have the better hand to play on any time horizon that exceeds a couple of years.
It really is pathetic, how these leaders of countries that sell a single, primitive commodity on the world market think that should make everyone take notice of them. No one cares, except that these guys can irritate in the short term. In the long term, the world will spin on without their useless selves.

Cha

(296,848 posts)
53. I posted this in LBN about that yesterday..
Sat Mar 15, 2014, 06:56 PM
Mar 2014

And, here it is.. this is all we need to know.. just ask their supporters on DU..

"The Kremlin denies allegations of censorship or pressure on the media."

Don't read too much into the following.. he just wants to "influence".. ROFL

"He signed a law late last year allowing prosecutors to order providers to block access to sites deemed to have published calls for participation in demonstrations planned without the consent of the government. It took effect on February 1."

Putin's scared

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4661670



MADem

(135,425 posts)
60. Demonstrations planned without the consent of the government...well, golly gee Gomer!
Sat Mar 15, 2014, 10:03 PM
Mar 2014

Can you imagine such a thing?



Who in their right mind could support a despot like that?

Putin should be scared, he doesn't have 'right' on his side! And neither does anyone who backs that little toad...!

Cha

(296,848 posts)
61. Dupes. They apparently chose to overlook Putin as Chief Dictator and Gay Hater
Sat Mar 15, 2014, 10:13 PM
Mar 2014

in Russia and concentrate on the part that he's sticking it to the USA so he must be okay .

MADem

(135,425 posts)
62. Well, there's also the perception of Putin as the Guardian of the Precious....
Sat Mar 15, 2014, 10:27 PM
Mar 2014

....er...Snowden. So long as Snowden is in Russia, Pootie gets a pass. It doesn't matter if he shuts down the net over THERE, it doesn't matter if his surveillance programs make ours look amateurish; so long as Ed is looking out over Moscow through his rose colored glasses, Pootie is just alright with them.

If Snowden had cut a deal to stay in China, all things Chinese would get the soft-focus lens. "Oh, go on ahead and buy that plastic crap in Walmart...it's part of the culture!!" and "A little melamine in your food won't kill most people or pets...!"

If he'd done a runner to North Korea, now, that would have been interesting to hear the excuse-making!

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
41. Yep. No doubt that Russia under Putin is trying to become a semi-fascist state now.
Sat Mar 15, 2014, 06:25 PM
Mar 2014

It's clear that Putin's hypocrisy vis-a-vis the Ukraine seems to know no bounds. I never liked any of the far-rightists(on the contrary, I'd think they'd be just as dangerous as Putin if they got into power!), or Mr. Yushchenko(may have actually won a fair election but was still not much better than Yanukovich), but Putin isn't one to talk. Period.

joshcryer

(62,266 posts)
59. Yes! I've been saying this. Putin is following Dugin's roadmap.
Sat Mar 15, 2014, 07:33 PM
Mar 2014

You can read an English Language review here: http://www.4pt.su/en/content/aleksandr-dugin’s-foundations-geopolitics

Another review: http://www.wilsoncenter.org/sites/default/files/OP294.pdf

No conspiracy theories necessary, he's following a new fascist model, it's pretty obvious.

blackspade

(10,056 posts)
45. This underscores Russia's bullshit claims about Ukraine.
Sat Mar 15, 2014, 06:36 PM
Mar 2014

This is about reclaiming territory.
And stifling opposition to the oligarchs.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
47. What did Glenn Greenwald, Julian Assange, and Ed Snowden collectively have to say?
Sat Mar 15, 2014, 06:37 PM
Mar 2014

Answer: We don't give a fuck about freedom of expression and privacy inside Russia.

moondust

(19,958 posts)
65. And sanitizing.
Sun Mar 16, 2014, 12:40 AM
Mar 2014

Speaking of information war, a couple days ago on DU I linked to an international law website that on March 5 had translated and published parts of the 1997 treaty between Ukraine and Russia. Article 8.2 of the treaty details some of the restrictions placed on Russian troops in Crimea. There was a link to the original Russian text of the treaty which was housed on the official website of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation. Apparently the Russian gov't decided it didn't want anybody to see the treaty and sometime between March 5 and March 13 the document was deleted! I searched high and low on Google for the full treaty with no luck. Then joshcryer found it cached on Google!

As Al Sharpton would say, "Nice try, but we got ya!"

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