Ah! An email from my good friend Barack.

[MannyGoldstein]

Just got an email from the President, asking for my help.

Here it is, in a nutshell:

Manny --

Republicans are mean, they want to stop us. I'll try to do stuff, "wherever I can".

Please vote for Democrats and send $10.

Thanks,

Barack Obama

This, dear reader, is why non-DU Democrats don't turn out in droves: "wherever I can" is a pout, not a battle cry.

"We suck less" won't cut it either.

Hey Obama! Hey Congressional Democrats! Pull yourself off of Wall Street's teat, stand up straight and start swinging: that's what'll get Democrats out! Show us you're on our side, and Democrats, hell all Americans, will show you that they're on yours.

Regards,

First-Way Manny

---------------------------

Manny --

The top Republican in the House said Americans should judge them not on how many laws they pass, but on how many they repeal.

The top Republican in the Senate said his top priority wasn't to create jobs or expand opportunity, but to beat me.

I want to work with Congress wherever I can to do the job the American people sent us here to do -- but it turns out Republicans and Democrats have some very different ideas about what that means.

Let me level with you: The only way we're going to achieve our goals is by electing more Democrats in 2014.

Chip in $10 or more to help elect Democrats to a Congress we can all be proud of:

https://my.democrats.org/Elect-Democrats-in-2014

Thanks,

Barack Obama

[tularetom]

1. Would you rather he threatened to put Wall Street crooks and Bush era war criminals in jail and then

didn't do it?

If he ain't gonna deliver I'm just as happy that he doesn't promise.

[MannyGoldstein]

4. "plenty of blood and teeth on the floor"

I'd rather they give it their all, the last full measure of his devotion, and leave "plenty of blood and teeth on the floor".

Jamie and Llloyd as White House regulars while Krugman's persona non grata ain't "blood and teeth on the floor". Perhaps yours and mine, but not Obama's.

[Scootaloo]

31. If he tried, I'd giv him credit for the effort

He not only didn't try, he bluntly said "Not a chance."

[demwing]

88. How about he threatens to put Wall Street crooks and Bush era war criminals in jail and then

does it?

What happened to that choice?

[tularetom]

99. Hope springs eternal

and I'm willing to keep hoping but it's been more than five years and as yet there's been no action, and now he doesn't even talk about it anymore, so I may be getting just a skosh less hopeful.

[ProSense]

2. I think

...President Obama has you beat in turning out Democrats.

“Barack Obama is the first president in more than five decades to win at least 51 percent of the national popular vote twice, according to a revised vote count in New York eight weeks after the Nov. 6 election,” Bloomberg writes, adding, “The president nationally won 65.9 million votes -- or 51.1 percent -- against Republican challenger Mitt Romney, who took 60.9 million votes and 47.2 percent of the total cast, according to data compiled by Bloomberg. Obama is the first president to achieve the 51 percent mark in two elections since Republican Dwight D. Eisenhower, who did it in 1952 and 1956, and the first Democrat to do so since Franklin D. Roosevelt, who won four consecutive White House races. Roosevelt received 53.4 percent of the vote -- his lowest -- in his last race in 1944.”

http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/01/04/16348268-obama-agenda-first-since-ike-to-win-51-back-to-back

"This, dear reader, is why non-DU Democrats don't turn out in droves:'"wherever I can' is a pout, not a battle cry."

That message will inspire no one to vote. LOL!

[sabrina 1]

20. You forgot 2010 when ONLY people like Manny turned out and Independents and young voters stayed

home? Then they blamed those who turned out anyway and thought that was the way to get people to vote!

So would rather Liberals left the party then? Cause we aren't going anywhere, sorry if that disappoints you, we are going to turn out to elect actual Democrats. If we wanted Republicans or Third Way Republican lite, they have their own party and we don't like their policies.

This is our party and no one is going to drive us out. We were a bit apathetic for a while, due to Bush et al, but not anymore.

[ProSense]

23. LOL! OK. n/t

[sabrina 1]

135. Thanks, better to acknowledge what caused a loss than ignore it and repeat the same mistake.

[Aerows]

83. Remember

If Democrats win, it is in spite of the "left" wing of the party. If Democrats lose, it is because of the "left" wing of the party.

Make sense? Doesn't to me either.

[stillwaiting]

120. It makes perfect sense if you realize the objective is to crush the left.

It is the purposeful use of psychological warfare tactics that they employ to create a learned helplessness within the FDR-Democratic left.

They don't want us to believe there is a chance of our ideas of EVER being implemented. They are ruthless about it.

Quite simply: They abuse the left whenever and wherever they can. With glee.

[sabrina 1]

124. I know, at this point all people can do is laugh. But I know who I blame for the loss in 2010 and

should it happen again, we all know who will be to blame.

Dems can win if they provide candidates people can vote FOR. And then BACK THEM rather than the Third Wayers or, even Republicans as they did in NJ and Florida.

[progressoid]

133. +1

[Aerows]

149. It's rather ironic

that the post you replied to was #2.

[Cali_Democrat]

3. Good friend?

LOL.

You said you'd rather overturn the election of Obama than the election of Reagan.

[SidDithers]

8. Context, for those not familiar with Manny's opinion...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x761367

Sid

[Cali_Democrat]

28. Funny how someone...

who would rather overturn the election of Obama than the election of Reagan is trying to lecture people on what it means to be a dem.

[MineralMan]

43. I had not seen that post before.

It explains a great deal, I think.

Disgusting, IMO.

[Control-Z]

50. That sentiment oozes

from every post manny makes. Though, it is still shocking to read something so blatantly appalling on DU.

[Number23]

110. You have so nailed it. Makes his loud though shrinking fan base here that much more hilarious

[SidDithers]

123. Yup. View everything Manny writes through the prism of that post...

it makes things so much clearer.

Sid

[MineralMan]

66. Here's what Manny posted:

2008

Edited on Mon Mar-28-11 06:18 PM by MannyGoldstein
In the prior elections, people got what they wanted, whether it was good or bad, perhaps with the exception of the stolen 2004 election (which was close, anyway). So, no matter who won, things would have generally gone the way they did. For example, Al Gore was an active participant in Clinton's development of the outsourced-torture "extraordinary rendition" program.

In 2008, people voted overwhelmingly for hope and change, but we got much other, for examples:

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-june-15-2010/resp...

This is an enormous problem. We've had almost 20% real unemployment for years, and more shoveling of worker's cash to the wealthiest. So now the Democratic brand is badly damaged, and the people have returned even-crazier Republicans to office in a desperate attempt for actual, helpful change. It's like the poor souls who leaped from the Twin Towers on 9/11 to avoid the fire. Awful, awful choices.

Would McCain's policies be much different? I don't see how. In addition, at least we'd have a chance for bringing in people with Democratic ideals in 2010 and 2012 - 2010 was a disaster, and 2012 is unlikely to see a good outcome at the Presidential level.

[ProSense]

116. That is very insightful

Would McCain's policies be much different? I don't see how. In addition, at least we'd have a chance for bringing in people with Democratic ideals in 2010 and 2012 - 2010 was a disaster, and 2012 is unlikely to see a good outcome at the Presidential level.

Translation: At least if McCain won, "we'd have a chance for bringing in people with Democratic ideals in 2010 and 2012" and Obama is "unlikely" to win in 2012.

Now the poster is dispensing fundraising advice to the President. As I said, the President definitely knows more about rallying Democrats than the OP: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024669680#post2

[MineralMan]

117. I have to say that the poster's prognostication skills

appear to be somewhat lacking in accuracy. May that continue.

[msanthrope]

119. You Better Believe It! nt

[MADem]

130. +1,000 nt

[FSogol]

141. Exactly. n/t

[arely staircase]

122. can you imagine how pissed off he was when obama got reelected?

it makes me smile to think about it. he has to get up every day for three more years and know Obama is our president.

I love it.

[Cali_Democrat]

140. actually when you think about it....

Manny wasn't wrong.

It wasn't a good outcome for people like him.

[MADem]

129. Well, that's certainly elucidative....it explains a lot.

I don't call them "opinions," though, I think they're more "screeds."

Wonder which war we'd be fighting if Manny had gotten his McCain groove on? Frankly, I am rather disgusted at this:

MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-11 06:10 PM
Response to Original message
16. 2008.
Edited on Mon Mar-28-11 06:18 PM by MannyGoldstein
In the prior elections, people got what they wanted, whether it was good or bad, perhaps with the exception of the stolen 2004 election (which was close, anyway). So, no matter who won, things would have generally gone the way they did. For example, Al Gore was an active participant in Clinton's development of the outsourced-torture "extraordinary rendition" program.

In 2008, people voted overwhelmingly for hope and change, but we got much other, for examples:

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-june-15-2010/resp...

This is an enormous problem. We've had almost 20% real unemployment for years, and more shoveling of worker's cash to the wealthiest. So now the Democratic brand is badly damaged, and the people have returned even-crazier Republicans to office in a desperate attempt for actual, helpful change. It's like the poor souls who leaped from the Twin Towers on 9/11 to avoid the fire. Awful, awful choices.

Would McCain's policies be much different? I don't see how. In addition, at least we'd have a chance for bringing in people with Democratic ideals in 2010 and 2012 - 2010 was a disaster, and 2012 is unlikely to see a good outcome at the Presidential level.

I think the author of that hot mess took a wrong turn, he's not a fan of electing more Democrats and fewer Republicans to public office, apparently.

[JoePhilly]

5. We should all just stay home. We're doomed anyway.

[SidDithers]

9. FUD'ers gotta FUD...nt

Sid

[sabrina 1]

127. That's true. How about the Dem Party supporting Republicans, speaking of 'fudding'?

Remember Florida, NJ among others? Hysterical, isn't it, good Democrats abandoned by their own party in favor of Republicans ....

Why do you think they did that? NJ is a Blue State eg, far more Dem voters there than Republicans. Christie was already in trouble over Sandy before that election. We had a good, Progressive Dem in the race and 61 elected Dems supported the Republican. Why?? Will they do that again?

Well, just in case, we will donate directly to the Democrat from now on. Let the Corps fund the Republicans, but no way would I ever have supported that obvious right winger Christie. It was a disgrace.

[JI7]

10. that's what some people want

[ProSense]

13. Remember the:

I just unsubscribed, and I never donate anyway!!!

[Cali_Democrat]

33. I guess he re-subscribed?

LOL.

[sabrina 1]

22. You do that if you wish, we'll be supporting actual Democrats time. Staying home won't take this

party out of the hands of the Third Way. Supporting their Democratic opponents is how to get that done.

[JoePhilly]

34. You won't be doing anything more than discouraging Democrats.

If you live in a reddish state, with a choice between a tea party nut or a moderate Dem, might as well stay home.

No real difference anyway.

Just say it. You'll feel better.

[sabrina 1]

125. I think I did say it. I will be supporting DEMOCRATS. Republicans have their own party. How about

that NJ race where the party supported the Republican and left their own Democratic candidate without support, without funds and then ENDORSED THE REPUBLICAN. Talk to them about why Dems lose. It's astounding the hypocrisy of asking Dems to support Republicans, then slam them when they refuse to do so.

I will NEVER support a Republican, it is the Dem Party which has done so, thanks for reminding me why Dems lose. Hard to win when your own party is supporting the other party.

[demwing]

89. If voting doesn't work, staying at home works even less

if voting doesn't work anymore, hit the streets in non-violent civil disobedience.

Staying at home is for the other guys...

[Autumn]

6. "Please vote for Democrats and send $10."

You get the government you pay for. $10

[jsr]

38. Yeah, comfortable shoes are not cheap

[Autumn]

98. Comfortable shoes are expensive.

You would think politicians would have several pairs.

[yuiyoshida]

7. Are you sure that was written by him?

It sounds like it was written by a third grader... REPUBLICANS ARE MEAN? ....really? ... no really?
They are not mean...

They are:

ungenerous, uncharitable, harsh, unkind, cruel, uncaring, spiteful, nasty, heartless, and malicious!

[uppityperson]

15. Heh, manny wrote that, trying to paraphrase.

[sabrina 1]

11. Are we still welcome in the Democratic Party then?

I suppose that's good news, because all I ever see coming from party people are attacks on us Democrats who thought we were upholding Democratic Party Principles.

But, since they hurt our feelings so often, I will be donating directly to candidates I think best represent Democratic Party ideals rather than to the Party itself which always seems to prefer the Third Way candidates, and rarely supports our own progressives. Remember NJ how they supported the REPUBLICAN??

[rhett o rick]

12. The are always glad to accept money from the left. And it's not personal when they disparage the

left. They must win favor with the conservatives.

[sabrina 1]

14. Yes, too true. We are getting requests for money now also. But that's the first time we've heard

from them since the last election.

[JI7]

16. why would you want to be in a party like this ? i think some enjoy the feeling of victimhood

whenver i told a few of these types to just not vote for the Democrat they got even more upset because what they really want is attention. because they are attention whores.

[sabrina 1]

18. Because it is OUR Party? Did you think we were going to just hand it over to the Third Way and

go away quietly? I don't think you know the Left very well.

[JI7]

21. the party is made up mostly of people who say they want hillary for 2016

[sabrina 1]

25. And who is she pitted against in those polls? Republicans! Of course they say that. But when she

was put up against Elizabeth Warren eg, those numbers changed dramatically because Democrats, when they have a choice, will choose the Liberal Democrat who supports Democratic ideals and not war and Wall St every time.

Those polls mean zero. I WOULD say Hillary if the other guy was a Republican.

Besides, the election this year is about CONGRESS. And then there will be another election about CONGRESS. Which is where the focus should and will be. The WH election means nothing unless we have Congress on OUR side, not on Wall St's side. And that is what the goal should be and IS now for Democratic voters.

[JI7]

26. no, i'm talking about just Democrats, she has the most support in the polls

[sabrina 1]

27. Against whom?? Who did she beat in those polls? She sure didn't beat Elizabeth Warren eg.

[JI7]

29. most Dems don't know anything about Elizabeth Warren

[rhett o rick]

44. I dont understand your point. Are you suggesting the left abandon the Democratic Party?

If so I say bullcrap. TPTB have destroyed the Republican Party so the true conservatives will join the Big Tent Democratic Party and take control. I say kick their asses out. Elect progressive Democrats and dont support Blue Dogs.

[JI7]

46. i'm saying some people don't really understand politics

[ProSense]

56. The OP is all about why people shouldn't support Dems, and

those who support the OP are all over this thread playing victim and preteding that those who doesn't support the OP message are the ones alienating Democrats.

They call themselves the "left" and "progressives," as if one cannot be on the left or progressive and think the OP message is basically: Look at this e-mail from Obama, everyone. It's a joke. Don't send money. You'll be justified to ignore it. In fact, you'll be justified to stay home based on this e-mail.

[JI7]

62. yes

just because people claim to be something doesn't mean they are.

just look at teabaggers who try to claim it's about being fiscally responsible. yet we all know they are about hating a black guy being president.

[cui bono]

113. That's not what the OP is about. The OP is about how Obama doesn't know how to come out

fighting. He's just limping along saying he'll do "whatever he can" instead of being an inspiring leader and declaring all that he's going to get done!

That is the point of the OP.

But don't let that stop you from taking time to post something disparaging progressives and the left. Funny how you hate all of us so much. Guess who saved SS from chained CPI that your fearless leader offered up? Yeah, guess... progressives. You're welcome.

[ProSense]

115. No,

"The OP is about how Obama doesn't know how to come out fighting. He's just limping along saying he'll do "whatever he can" instead of being an inspiring leader and declaring all that he's going to get done!

That is the point of the OP."

...the main point of the OP is exactly what I said. The point you made is the tactic being used. As I said, the President definitely knows more about that than the OP: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024669680#post2

[cui bono]

147. No,

one of the biggest problems with the president is his tactics. He doesn't know how to go out and fight for things, how to message things, how to negotiate. That's a big complaint from most people, even off of DU (!). The entire Dem Party has that problem. The R's get their message out even though it is complete fabrication and never resembles the truth. Dem leaders are unbelievably weak in that area.

[sabrina 1]

126. Should we follow the lead of the party leadership and support Republicans, abandon the Democrats

as was the case in NJ, in Florida and those are not the only cases? You're talking to the wrong people. I DON'T SUPPORT Republicans and I would like to know why our party has done so while slamming those who do not??

Thanks for reminding, the gall of anyone to attack long time Democrats who are only asking for Democratic candidates they can vote for and still asking why the party supports REPUBLICANS rather than their own candidates.

[MADem]

131. We know them by their words.

I suppose it's just as well they out themselves now as later.

[sabrina 1]

132. We also know them by their acts. We know them when they support REPUBLICANS in Blue States

rather than their own Democratic Candidate. We know them when they support Corporate Candidates over Progressive Candidates.

And when they support Republicans not just in one state now, but several states.

You're almost right, we know them more by their ACTIONS than their words. Words are nice, but actions speak way louder than words.

If they think the Left will support Republicans over Progressive Dems, they could not be more wrong.

Ymmd ...

[MADem]

134. Gee, you mean like this guy, supporting a GOP Presidential candidate instead of a Democratic one?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x761367#761480

That's kind of going the other way of the whole "elect more Dems and fewer Republicans" charge of this community....but I guess it's OK if you have a following of professional malcontents, is that it?


Some of the people who call themselves 'left' around here are just right wing FUDders wearing an "I'm a Lefty" mask for the easily swayed. They'd cut off their nose to spite their face, and feel smug while doing it, too.

It's rather basic disruption, not subtle at all. I know it when I see it and I'm not the only one.

[sabrina 1]

128. They knew enough to choose Warren over Hillary when given the choice! n/t

[MADem]

136. They don't. I love her strong support for the US military, being a military retiree, myself.

It's one of the things that endears her to many voters here in the Bay State.

Alot of these people think that she's some kind of anti-military, wild haired swords-into-plowshares/throw-out-the-Pentagon type. They'd be shocked if they did five minutes' worth of research.

[JI7]

154. i think they just use her to bash other Dems

i know how massachusettes is when it comes to their politicians. they make them work hard for them. even the popular ted kennedy would always campaign every election season like he was in a close race. Kerry served 20 years before running for pres .

we saw with coakley's loss how the people expect their elected officials to work for them. and people need to remember that coakley was not some unknown in the state. the state had already voted for her and liked her but they did not like how she took the race for granted and ddin't work for it and it hurt her. elizabeth warren knows this and it's what she wanted .

i think too many on here have a lack of understanding of politics. how things are not so simple. that each state/district etc is different. when they bring up lieberman as an example to try to talk about new jersey and then try to use that as having to do with some national party politics you just have a total lack of understanding. it's very simplistic.

[MADem]

155. Of course they do, they're clueless. EW is in a different district every weekend. She doesn't stay

in DC.

This morning she was in Southie. She kicked some great ass at the St Pat's day breakfast this morning--had me rolling on the floor.

[demwing]

91. You're right to focus on congress

but to say that otherwise, the Presidency "means nothing" is not correct. In fact, without the congress--if we actually lose both houses--then the Presidency means everything. The only line that stands between us and disaster crosses both the bully pulpit and the veto.

That means everything...

[Scuba]

96. Nailed it.

[Marr]

102. So you acknowledge that Hillary Clinton is not on the left?

Thanks.

[JI7]

106. Hillary has never claimed to be very left, but many of her supporters are

to the left .

[MADem]

137. If she's not, Warren isn't either. nt

[Marr]

139. Your contention is that Elizabeth Warren's positions are identical to Hillary Clinton's?

lol, sorry-- I found it difficult to type that while laughing.

[joshcryer]

19. Agreed, I'm not a Democrat for that reason.

I identify with a lot of the platform, but I can't change my party association to be a Democrat because they don't support my ideals completely. If anything I'd be in the Democratic Socialists of America, but they require dues (not technically because anyone can identify with any party they wish). I'd go with the Green Party but I'd feel bad voting for the Democrat in elections when there's a Green running against them (I only vote for the Green if there's a substantial chance of them winning).

I wish we had range voting so we could vote our conscious but not hurt the chances of our favored candidates winning.

[Autumn]

41. I'm in CO and thinking of changing my affiliation

American Constitution Party of Colorado... They just gross me out

Colorado Democratic Socialists of America ... I could live with that but I've never seen or met one and I think there are like 5 of them on Face Book

Communist Party of Colorado... I'm not a communist

Green Party of Colorado... Might be the closest but never have seen any green candidates in my area

Libertarian Party of Colorado... Fuck rand Paul

Unity Party...sounds to centrist for me

Reform Party... They have no stances on Social or Values Issues, and I think those are important.

That leaves republican or Democrat or Unaffiliated.

Since you are not a registered Democrat do you know if a person can still caucus for the Democrat in the primaries?

[joshcryer]

77. It's closed in Colorado unfortunately.

www.fairvote.org/research-and-analysis/presidential-elections/congressional-and-presidential-primaries-open-closed-semi-closed-and-top-two/

[Autumn]

80. That's what I thought. So I guess I will remain a Democrat.

I guess changing your affiliation to caucus for the Democrat and then back again would work but that seems like too much trouble.

[joshcryer]

90. Yeah, when I went back in '07 I defaulted as dem at the DMV.

I think I changed in '09 to independent.

Probably will sit out 2016 primaries. Presidential primaries are really the only primaries I care about, and I am afraid there won't be any good options.

[Autumn]

93. I didn't think CO recognized an Independent Party.

I might look into that.

[joshcryer]

94. Oh right, I think it's called 'unaffilated.'

[demwing]

92. I don't know your age or background, but can YOU run?

have you ever thought about it?

[Autumn]

95. Nope, older, crippled up, and can't afford to run.

I used to do phone banking, canvassing,and poll watching but I can't drive any more and it's just not something I have the energy for any more.

[JoePhilly]

36. sabrina is going to be busy trying to primary the elected Dems who endorsed Christy.

[JI7]

42. i hope she does if that's what she wants, but rarely do i see any effort to primary

Dems. the complaints are always when the dem is up against a republican.

rahm emanuel is one. and this was a run off type election which is what some people claim they want. but there was no effort to get one of their candidates into the race and try to win .

i haven't seen any threads by her on getting support for dem candidates in NJ who will go up against the dems who endorsed christie so far. so i will just have to say it's a complaint she uses against other dems .

[rhett o rick]

49. And some here would rush to kiss Christy's feet if he switched parties. nm

[ProSense]

65. Nonsense, but you'd have a point if you said Crist, because some have. n/t

[rhett o rick]

70. The Centrists love Christy. I am surprised you didnt know. nm

[ConservativeDemocrat]

75. Actually no. Sabrina won't do that.

Because she's admitted that, aside from vomiting all over the D.U. with anti-Democratic agitprop, she doesn't do jack shit in terms of actual activism. I asked her directly:

Phone banking? No.
Canvassing? No.
Mail work? No.

I have respectful, often playful, disagreements with my fellow Democrats who are far more liberal than I, while we're working together to help campaigns of Democratic candidates that we all agree are better than their GOP opponents. That's because while we may have minor quibbles, we all know what it is to walk the walk. Sabrina isn't like that though.

If she actually fought as hard as she could in the primaries, and then, no matter the outcome, fought as hard as she could for the Democratic winner, she'd get props from me. Hell, she's be a lot like me. I live in in left-coast Oregon, Portlandia country (well, okay, eastern Oregon which isn't like that at all). I've seen plenty of Democratic nominees who I knew were too leftist to win, but still went ahead and did my best to support them anyway, because while not perfect, they're still better than the GOP. But Sabrina is just a hater, and worse, only a talker. I don't think she actually does anything. Other than write screeds trying to alienate Democrats on the D.U.

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

[joshcryer]

17. It's sad the President has to remind Americans he's not a dictator.

And it's sad when people who think he should be a dictator are outraged when he reminds them he's not.

I wonder what the copy testers did here, wonder if this was a mass email to all supporters, or "supporters" pegged as waffling pro-dictator types who are detractors more often than not. Perhaps it was targeted to more affluent supporters.

[bluestate10]

100. Must be tough for President Obama. The right is convinced he is a dictator, while the left

often demand that he ignore the Constitution and become a dictator in actuality.

On the subject of the email, I likely got one. I haven't checked my personal email since yesterday.

[Maedhros]

109. No, I'm pretty pissed off that he ignores the Constitution.

e.g. when he executes American citizens without due process.

[cui bono]

114. Um... where is the left demanding he "ignore the Constitution and become a dictator in actuality"?

Links?

The left is demanding he UPHOLD the constitution. So please cite your claims.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

24. How come politicians who allegedly want money out of politics always ask for money?

[rhett o rick]

45. It's a ruse to make you think you have some control. nm

[Demo_Chris]

30. We elected him with a majority in the House and a super in the Senate. They STILL made excuses...

Since it is not possible to do better there really is no point.

[JoePhilly]

37. YUP ... might as well stay home. We're doomed.

[Demo_Chris]

69. I don't advocate staying home, but thinking it matters seems pretty silly at this point. nt

[WillyT]

32. Hey Manny... Check This Out From The DCCC... 'We Came Close...'

MAR 11, 2014
DCCC CHAIRMAN STEVE ISRAEL’S STATEMENT ON FL-13 SPECIAL ELECTION
DCCC Chairman Steve Israel released the following statement about Florida’s 13th Congressional District special election.

<snip>

“I want to congratulate Alex Sink on a hard-fought campaign. Alex has spent her career fighting for Florida families and bringing people together to get results – and this campaign was no exception. Alex put this district in play despite Republicans spending $5 million against her, and she came closer to victory in a historically Republican district than any Democrat has in decades.

“Democrats will fight for FL-13 in the midterm, when the electorate is far less heavily tilted toward Republicans. Despite those millions from Republican outside groups, they underperformed because the only message they offered voters – repealing the ACA – is out of touch and failed to bring them even close to their historically wide margins.

“House Democrats are in a strong position...

<snip>

Link: http://www.dccc.org/newsroom/entry/dccc_chairman_steve_israels_statement_on_fl-13_special_election/

[SidDithers]

35. Spin that wheel, Manny. Spin it!...

Sid

[JoePhilly]

40. Apparently, Manny always lands on "Spin Again".

[rhett o rick]

54. And you spin the wheel of "Love that Status Quo". Why be outraged at 25% poverty rate for

American children. Let's go for 30%, eh?

[SidDithers]

59. ...

Sid

[rhett o rick]

68. Really? LOL. nm

[SidDithers]

73. You think your lame comment deserved more?...

Seriously. wheel of "Love that Status Quo"?



Sid

[rhett o rick]

76. It should have been, "Wheel of Ridicule." nm

[SidDithers]

78. OK, Costanza...nt

Sid

[rhett o rick]

85. Seems you guys believe in Democratic trickle down. Support Wall Street and they will

trickle on the poor. H. Clinton-Sachs is in bed with corp-America and the centrists love it. The hell with the poor and the hell with the working class. I mean, I understand. It's like in jr. high when you have to decide to fight the bully or support the bully. The Centrists support the bully.

[SidDithers]

87. ...

Sid

[rhett o rick]

107. We can always count on you to provide such intellectual responses. nm

[SidDithers]

108. My intellect just can't compare with someone who comes up with "wheel of Love that Status Quo"...

Sid

[sabrina 1]

150. Every once in a while you get something so right, Sid dahlink.

This was one of them

[Fumesucker]

67. ...

[SidDithers]

79. Great quote...

there was a thread about it just the other day.

Sid

[MineralMan]

39. Egregious, Manny.

You're slipping in a serious way, I think.

You got no such email. Is there no limit to how far you will go?

[JI7]

47. so it's like that letter from his friend about obamacare

being so horrible

[MineralMan]

51. If that letter was a figment of Manny's

imagination, then yes.

[rhett o rick]

48. I hope he keeps going until we drive the corporatists out of our party. nm

[MineralMan]

52. Do you?

OK...

[Number23]

111. Who knew that Manny Goldstein had such power??! My God!

Why are we sitting around here talking about Obama like he's the president or something? We should be talking about Manny who apparently has the power to remove "corporatists" from the Dem party seemingly singlehandedly by posting unending Dem hating screeds on a Democratic web site!!1one

[ucrdem]

53. Hey I got a real letter with a cool bumper sticker in it.

And all you got was an e-mail. I wonder why?

p.s. I put the sticker in my siggy

[MineralMan]

57. Nah. Manny didn't even get an email,

so he made one up. Weak.

[ucrdem]

63. Aw. Poor Manny. Maybe we should take up a collection.

He seems so deserving.

[Mojorabbit]

144. I got the same email from the President asking for ten dollars. nt

[MineralMan]

145. How about copying and pasting the content of it,

then, unaltered. We'll see if it matches Manny's version. That would be cool.

[Mojorabbit]

146. Here it is

The top Republican in the House said Americans should judge them not on how many laws they pass, but on how many they repeal.

The top Republican in the Senate said his top priority wasn't to create jobs or expand opportunity, but to beat me.

I want to work with Congress wherever I can to do the job the American people sent us here to do -- but it turns out Republicans and Democrats have some very different ideas about what that means.

Let me level with you: The only way we're going to achieve our goals is by electing more Democrats in 2014.

Chip in $10 or more to help elect Democrats to a Congress we can all be proud of:

https://my.democrats.org/Elect-Democrats-in-2014

Thanks,

Barack Obama

[MineralMan]

148. That's quite different from Manny's snarky

paraphrase, it seems to me. I see that he did quote the actual email later in the OP.

My criticism stands.

[Mojorabbit]

153. Yes he did. I read the op before I posted.

The letter is the same as the one I received in my inbox. Your statement was incorrect.

[rhett o rick]

60. It doesnt take much to make you happy. The hell with the poverty rate, you love Obama. nm

[ucrdem]

61. That's really random.

No pun intended.

[bluestate10]

101. I got the same letter. It was cool. nt

[blue neen]

55. Darn.

...and all this time we thought Jane Hamsher was his good friend.

[functioning_cog]

58. Apparently you weren't a math major

[Doctor_J]

64. He forgot the part about TPP and KXL and Chained CPI and "All of the above"

That would have made me raise my ante to $20 - at least. Maybe $21

[evilhime]

71. Well I can relate

I have gotten to the point where I delete 3 screens of political redundant begging emails before finding one I really want to read. I have unsubscribed all over the place, and written a detailed reason why on those sites that ask. No replies of course. And then I get an email from the same entity but under a different cover. They need to understand that the constant badgering with URGENT many about the exact same subject from different offices, all asking for money gets so old the are losing people they might have had

[Le Taz Hot]

72. I signed up for local Democratic Congressional campaign

probably 4 months ago. So far I've gotten endless e-mail communicating the following: 1) I'm not a Republican, 2) give me money. Several times I've tried contacting her campaign asking for position papers, policy papers, anything. What do I get in return? More e-mails saying 1) I'm not a Republican and 2) give me money.

And . . . she was kind enough to send my e-mail address to the DCCC, you know, the same ones who are going to cover only 19 out of 435 races in the country.

I finally got off all of the e-mail lists. She wasn't even in my district anyway -- there's no Democrat running in my district, again. Thanks, DCCC!

[Catherina]

82. When the whole platform is "We suck less" don't expect position papers n/t

[Le Taz Hot]

84. And don't expect a turnout either.

But it's THE PROGRESSIVES FAULT!111!!1 if the Democratic candidate loses, don't 'cha know.

[bluestate10]

103. Yeah, staying home is going to solve lots of problems. nt

[Le Taz Hot]

104. I'm not the one you need to convince.

It's all those millions of people who feel disaffected by the current system.

[sheshe2]

74. Oh Manny

Kitteh haz a sad~

[BlueStreak]

81. Absolutely agree. We need a 2014 Contract with America

The problem is that would require our Beltway Dems to actually stand for something. That's a tall order with this bunch, especially considering that the kinds of things that would be popular with the people are very unpopular with their Wall Street benefactors.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contract_with_America

[zeemike]

86. Ever sense I asked to be removed from the DNC mailing list

I get those emails all the time from everyone but them...with the same message, help us fight against the evil boogie men...so I assume they sold my address.

But I still get emails from the president...much like that...

Zeemike --

The top Republican in the House said Americans should judge them not on how many laws they pass, but on how many they repeal.

The top Republican in the Senate said his top priority wasn't to create jobs or expand opportunity, but to beat me.

I want to work with Congress wherever I can to do the job the American people sent us here to do -- but it turns out Republicans and Democrats have some very different ideas about what that means.

Let me level with you: The only way we're going to achieve our goals is by electing more Democrats in 2014.

Add your name to help elect Democrats to a Congress we can all be proud of:

http://my.democrats.org/Join-Me

Thanks,

Barack Obama

[UTUSN]

97. I've always skipped the MG/WT threads but checked-in and confirmed why n/t

[seveneyes]

105. I'm still waiting on my bumper stickers from 2012

Even if I had ten dollars for every 10 dollar request, I'd still be broke. There has to be a better way.

[Enthusiast]

118. Kicked and recommended a whole bunch.

[arely staircase]

121. I just sent him $100 a check with "Manny Goldstein" in the memo space. Thanks for the inspiration.

[MADem]

138. +1,000 !!!! nt

[Rex]

142. K&R for pissing off all the RIGHT people!

[colsohlibgal]

143. Obama Defenders Are Dogged And Dug In

It's hard to sway them. I voted for him twice, the first time enthusiastically. Then he brought in the in and out of Wall Street types, the Rubin crowd, as his financial team and so the bloom was quickly off the rose for me.

I voted for him again in 2012 but it was more a vote against Mr. 47%.

I get those funding appeals as well. I donate zip to the DCCC and Obama. I do donate to actual real liberal democrats and independents (Sanders).

We have to try to turn the river, to get the democrats off this third way semi republican path and back to it's populist roots. Hillary will likely be Bill Part 2 and that would not be what we need. My hope is that the real democratic wing of the democratic party will field someone to at least push Hillary leftward. Maybe Bernie Sanders can do it.

2014 counts, liberals need to get out and vote in off year elections, it's not as sexy as presidential elections but quite important, even in local races.

[Jackpine Radical]

151. "Democrats we can all be proud of."

Blanche Lincoln
Mas Baucus
Rahm Emanuel
Cory "Wall Street" Booker
Jon Corzine
Alex Sink

I could go on, but what the hell?

[underthematrix]

152. Gee!! I was gonna post something like

"how many of you are too sensitive to vote 2014 because Daddy Barack has so disappointed you?" I AM VOTING IN 2014 and getting as people to the pols as I can. I want REAL immigration reform and not anything that involves my undocumented CITIZEN Hispanic brothers and sisters waiting 5 years to get their documentation.