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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhat's going to happen to the LGBT community in Crimea once they fall under Russian control?
Is there a way to ensure their safety through UN human rights monitors?
It's open season on the LGBT community in Russia. Anti-gay attacks are increasing:
Central Station was the target of at least three documented attacks in the past six months one where armed men sprayed the club's unmarked door with bullets in November, another where malefactors released a harmful gas into the club just weeks later, and a third, allegedly organized by the building management, where a group of men dismantled the club's roof in December. In early January, the club's CEO resigned and formally requested asylum in the U.S.
That former owner, Andrei Lichinsky, told news outlets in January that police refused to respond to any of his 30 complaints about attacks on the club and its patrons, and that he had personally been targeted by the local prosecutor's office and had his car lit on fire, according to the U.K. LGBT outlet PinkNews.
okaawhatever
(9,453 posts)Ukraine or another EU/US country is they so choose.
shenmue
(38,501 posts)I wish we would offer asylum to everyone being persecuted for that.
former9thward
(31,801 posts)Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)Along the lines of Russia?
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)environment much like Russia because so much of the mindset is from Orthodox religion and Soviet era ideas. If I lived there, I'd leave.
LuvNewcastle
(16,820 posts)There's no way I could live with that kind of persecution. Just knowing that a crazy bastard could attack me anytime with impunity or the government might come get me and throw me in jail for who I am would drive me mad. I guess I just don't have the strength to deal with that kind of shit. And let's be clear, gay people who endure that shit and are able to survive are some very strong people.
dipsydoodle
(42,239 posts)Subsequent to that Ukraine introduced an anti propaganda law that October.
Ukraine Parliament deputies approve law against homosexuality with landslide vote in first reading.
The Ukraine Parliament has voted massively in favor of a new law which would ban propaganda about homosexuality.
Within the last hour 289 deputies voted for bill 8711, nobody voted against and just one abstained. Another 60 deputies were absent from the chamber.
The vote today (2 October) had only been announced yesterday, giving LGBT rights campaigners little time to organize against it.
Despite that 20 community activists and campaigners representing various organizations and initiatives gathered to protest against the proposed law.
See more at: http://www.gaystarnews.com/article/ukraine-votes-anti-gay-propaganda-law021012#sthash.xqQHrlYh.dpuf
Maybe that was where Russia got the idea to federalise existing laws in most of their federations.
Junkdrawer
(27,993 posts)I keep saying: Putin is, by Western standards, homophobic. By Eastern Orthodox standards, right in the middle.
Xithras
(16,191 posts)The Ukrainian Rada passed a law in 2012 that implemented Russian style anti-LGBT legislation, but it was never signed by Yanukovych and didn't become law. The Rada was going to take it up a second time last year, but the protests and everything that has followed sidelined it.
The interim Ukrainian government hasn't made any statements one way or the other as to the laws future, but most of its supporters are still in power. The new president Turchynov has been an open supporter of anti-gay legislation and has openly called homosexuality a "perversion" (believe it or not, he's an anti-gay Evangelical Baptist preacher). These people are NOT pro-equality.
Marr
(20,317 posts)political bat.
The very same people who think it's the height of wit to refer to a gay man by a woman's name are now overflowing with concern for gay folk. Funny how that works.
Marr
(20,317 posts)And all the spiteful dismissals of anger about Rick Warren, and the urges to put gay marriage aside for now because it would be a political drag, and a whole list of other things.
But man, as soon as gays will make a good lever, there they are! Long time pals.
QC
(26,371 posts)Like when one wants to prove that Ed Snowden is a poopie head.
bobduca
(1,763 posts)I bet they don't even see gay, just like colbert doesn't see race!
Cha
(295,899 posts)around here won't give a shite.
sheshe2
(83,324 posts)If it is happening there it can and will happen anywhere. It is time to stop this madness.
Thank you for linking Williams thread, Cali_D
Definitely
LisaL
(44,962 posts)Puzzledtraveller
(5,937 posts)morningfog
(18,115 posts)Russia and all the very many countries where the LGBT communities are under attack.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)I'm not allowed to ask about the LGBT community in Crimea?
Got it.
I create a alot of threads, but thanks for setting me straight.
I've posted about LGBT issues in Russia before, in fact one of my old friends was a member of the LGBT community in Russia and he left to the UK not to long ago.
With all due respect, you know nothing about me and the notion that I'm not allowed to post about this subject is ridiculous. What I think you're doing is questioning my motives and pretending as if I don't really care about LBGT issues.
Welcome to ignore. The only person on my list in a LONG time.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)Last edited Thu Mar 20, 2014, 10:30 PM - Edit history (1)
blatant dis-ingenuousness and your attempt to use GLBT issues when it is convenient to your argument.
I am questioning your motives. You are posting to rally around more involvement in Ukraine and exploiting the GLBT community to do it. It is transparent and is sad.
Puglover
(16,380 posts)Being used as a cudgel when it is convenient gets tiresome fast.
Puzzledtraveller
(5,937 posts)joeglow3
(6,228 posts)morningfog
(18,115 posts)But, I don't see a place for US military involvement, whatsoever. And I don't see any way that sanctions would ever undo the annexation of Crimea. I mean, seriously, you don't either, do you?
joeglow3
(6,228 posts)Thus, that doesn't fit with the tone of your response.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)Fuck their treatment of the GLBT community and their bigoted laws. It is abhorrent and it is regressive and should be exposed.
The point is, and you willfully ignored it to call me an apologist, that the OP is using this plight to support actions in Ukraine. It is transparent and an attempt to exploit the GBLT community for his political agenda.
I haven't seen the OP, or anyone, call for UN monitors to intervene and and protect GLBTs in any of the dozens of countries where their lives are at risk. Only when it is advantageous to promote a political agenda do the likes of the OP suddenly see it as a serious issue.
It is bullshit, offensive and should be called out.
joeglow3
(6,228 posts)All they offered were two sentences:
"Is there a way to ensure their safety through UN human rights monitors?
It's open season on the LGBT community in Russia. Anti-gay attacks are increasing"
I don't see advocating support of certain actions. Using your logic, since I have not discussed every single country in the world and their treatment of the GBLT community, I am precluded from discussing it regarding any. Frankly, that is flawed logic and if all of us followed this, I think we would find a lot of mute people.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)joeglow3
(6,228 posts)I don't know his posting history. Personally, I have not discussed it for other countries. However, I still think I can admit they are treated like shit in Russia.
Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)Glad to see many people see the transparency of your OP.
William769
(55,124 posts)A long life of misery, beatings, living in fear, losing their kids. Life in mother russia.
cali
(114,904 posts)is when you can use that community to further whatever political agenda you have.
I find it disgraceful to the max.
William769
(55,124 posts)You should be ashamed of yourself, but then again...
Aerows
(39,961 posts)and enjoyment of DU went to fine levels when I started using the ignore button. I have no doubt that I would be pissed if I read what that person posted, but I finally gave in and started using ignore.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
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Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
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Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
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Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
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Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Cali is exactly right in that assessment.
I was #6.
Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)bobduca
(1,763 posts)disgrace requires shame, and that poster demonstrates with every post how shameless they are and how stupid they think everyone here is.