RT or Fox: which is worse?

[MannyGoldstein]

For the record, I don't like either of 'em.

22 votes, 4 passes | Time left: Unlimited
	Fox is worse!
	14 (64%)
	RT is worse!
	6 (27%)
	Manny worships Putin!
	2 (9%)
	4 DU members did not wish to select any of the options provided.
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[NuclearDem]

1. I prefer neither.

Though, I have to say, I've seen that poster with a few candles in your basement. It's really very tasteful.

[LostOne4Ever]

2. When having to choose between feces and excrement

You should always have the option to say they are both shit.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

3. what is RT

[LostOne4Ever]

4. Russia Today

A pro-Putin state run media outfit.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

7. duh..not enough coffee

[reformist2]

5. You're an un-American Putin-lover, I know it!!

[ProSense]

6. RT is worse because Fox is not state owned.

No American is forced to listen to Fox.

A station serving the same purpose as Fox could never exist in Russia because Putin would shut it down.

This is an apples and oranges comparison.

[n2doc]

8. Unless you are waiting for a car repair

Or in a doctor's office, etc.,etc.

No one 'forces' anyone to watch RT in Russia too. Or perhaps you think they do this?

[Autumn]

47. May I steal that?

It so fits some people.

[PoliticalPothead]

9. Actually, the fact that RT is state owned makes it much, much better.

They're not beholden to corporate advertisers, which means they can accurately report on corporate malfeasance unlike the US media.

[sufrommich]

20. Well,that is incredibly naive. State owned media

is beholden to every corporation that has favored status with the government,which would mean every corporation that can pay for that status.

[geek tragedy]

26. This is unintentionally funny. nt

[yardwork]

27. Lol! This is comedy gold.

Do the trains run on time too?

[kwassa]

28. What have you been smoking?

[yardwork]

29. Is your posting name a riff on Pol Pot?

You're messing with us, aren't you?

What's your opinion of North Korea?

[Codeine]

31. Yyyyeah. nt

[maddezmom]

34. Are you being serious??

[steve2470]

37. you're joking, right ?

So do you think Voice of America would be completely balanced about Russia ?

http://www.voanews.com/content/china-splits-with-russia-over-ukraine/1873418.html

[PoliticalPothead]

48. I am thoroughly convinced...

that no one who replied to this post has ever seen more than a few clips from RT, if even that.

[sabrina 1]

32. Rupert Murdoch, whose Corp is in big trouble in Britain, several of them on trial for

the crimes they committed, owns Fox.

Al Jazeera is owned by Qatar.

BBC funded by the UK Government.

There is no doubt that Fox is a propaganda arm of the MIC.

Cheney's favorite station.

It's beyond believe that we now have people cheering for Fox.

RT as Hillary said, is a good news source.

Fox is a criminal organization.

There really is no contest.

[sufrommich]

35. Who's "cheering on Fox"? When did

Hillary Clinton call RT a good news source?

[sabrina 1]

38. Fox = Far Right Pro Warmongering Pro Bush/Cheney Corporate Propaganda machine.

RT= Left leaning, anti-War, Liberal Voices actually allowed on the air, award winning in its first year, news org. Opinion talk shows include all sides of the political spectrum. Funded by Russian Govt, did cover anti-Putin demonstrations which were quite big. Russian news slanted, as expected towards Russia. MSM news as expected slanted towards the US.

Right or Left, I'll take Left every time. We are more than capable of sorting out bias from fact. But if I can see Amy Goodman, Chris Hedges, Thom Hartmann, on the air, none of whom are allowed on the MSM, I'll definitely be watching.

No one is 'cheering for Putin' either, but that is the black and white position DU is now taking, so I'm following along. And yes by the new standards on DU, people ARE 'cheering for Fox'.

[ProSense]

36. LOL!

Rupert Murdoch, whose Corp is in big trouble in Britain, several of them on trial for

the crimes they committed, owns Fox.

Al Jazeera is owned by Qatar.

BBC funded by the UK Government.

That's one way to defend state-owned RT. I mean, PBS is funded by the government.

[sabrina 1]

39. Thanks for reminding me, PBS is now funded by the Koch Bros. n/t

[ProSense]

45. So now PBS is worse than RT?

LOL!

[sabrina 1]

67. It is?

If you say so!

[laundry_queen]

33. State owned is not always bad

CBC here in Canada is essentially a crown corporation but it's not a bad news source...in fact it's more reliable than a lot of private stuff here in Canada. That said, I think both Fox and RT are basically really horrible propaganda channels.

[AgingAmerican]

40. It's half state owned

Given our two party system.

[lumberjack_jeff]

42. Okay then, which is worse, Fox or NPR? n/t

[bullwinkle428]

60. "When Republicans run state, Fox News runs Republicans"

[Benton D Struckcheon]

11. Don't watch em, gots no idea. Hear they make yer brain rot. n/t

[CJCRANE]

12. They're both anti-American

but Fox News is worse because they lie more and misrepresent their agenda.

RT is slanted, but at least it's clear what their agenda is, and you can take that into account.

FWIW I generally avoid both of them but I have more of a dislike for Fox News and all Murdoch propaganda because of their impact in the English speaking world.

[SaltyBro]

13. All corporate media stinks

no exceptions.

[leftynyc]

14. RT being state owned

makes it worse (in my eyes) but both royally suck.

[steve2470]

15. They're both pretty bad

RT is only good for non-Russia related stories. Fox is ok for totally non-political kind of stories, like who rescued a dog or something like that.

[QC]

16. Would you rather be shot or stabbed? n/t

[tech3149]

17. I block Fox on my TV

I have to stream RT on the computer. RT at least covers some international news. They have good documentaries that provide a look at the world that I can't afford to visit.
Then there are Keiser and Martin that challenge the financial and political elite who've been bending us over for decades.
So where is the comparison?

[PoliticalPothead]

51. There is no comparison.

Some people here just want to demonize RT and paint all of its viewers as Putin apologists.

[snooper2]

18. Don't know if you saw the announcement

but Warren isn't running-

[Springslips]

19. I wish there was an option for...

Those who engage in this debate are losing my respect, to the point where I am starting to view them as high functioning apes and not as human beings.

I would had voted for that one.

[Democracyinkind]

21. I think Fox is worse for the sole fact that it can better sell the illusion that it is neutral. nt

[sufrommich]

22. Both are bad. What a childish poll. nt

[chrisa]

23. Corporate mouthpiece vs. State mouthpiece

[Dirty Socialist]

24. It's A Tie

They are both horrible.

[Fozzledick]

25. RT's US coverage strikes me as very different than their world coverage.

With regard to their US coverage, they seem to understand that the most effective propaganda is that which is actually true, and rather than distort the facts they just cherry-pick stories that fit their agenda.

On the other hand, their reporting on Russia, eastern Europe and the Middle East goes all out with shameless Fox style making-shit-up.

I'm inclined to think worse of Fox because they've been so much more harmful to the US, but RT is endeavoring to do the same to Russia.

[Spider Jerusalem]

54. Nah, their US coverage largely consists of just making shit up, as well

they keep giving 9/11 conspiracy nutjobsand loons like Alex Jones a platform, for instance.

[Enthusiast]

30. Fox is far worse. No contest.

[dionysus]

41. you forgot the "they both suck" option.

[TreasonousBastard]

43. How would I know? I don't watch either of them.

[Adrahil]

44. No "a pox on both their houses" option?

Both are propaganda factories.

[Trajan]

46. No 'both' option

Gotta pass on this - cannot give correct answer of both

[quinnox]

49. Fox, by a country mile. RT actually has some really good stories sometimes, like on Abby Martin's

show. There are stories the mainstream news never touches on there.

[Catherina]

59. +1, like Occupy, one of many examples n/t

[AnalystInParadise]

50. RT not even a contest

Fox is full of garbage and misinformation, but I can't label them worse than the mouthpiece of a totalitarian piece of shit like Putin. People who listen to and believe Fox Noise are misinformed, gullible and simple. People who believe RT are fucking evil.

[DonCoquixote]

52. RT is better

But only in the sense that getting kicked in the head (RT) is better than having a chainsaw applied to the head (Fox), one is clearly less fatal than the other, but both are tools of violence meant to enable creeps to kill.

[Spider Jerusalem]

53. RT is worse, no question

no-one outside the US pays the least bit of attention to Fox News. It is a national news network with a narrow and parochial US-based focus. It does not engage in anything that pretends to be serious analysis of international issues. It reaches a negligible international audience.

[Number23]

61. But anyplace that Rupert Murdoch has his clutches will play Fox News

Fox News plays in Australia 24/7 just as it does in the States. I wonder about other countries too.

[Spider Jerusalem]

70. I live in the UK. No-one here watches Fox.

[Douglas Carpenter]

55. RT represents the conventional Russian point of view - As long as you keep that in mind - it has

value - Just as ABC/NBC/CBS and CNN represent the conventional American point of view. They also have value if you keep that in mind. Fox News is nothing but idiotic burping, farting, grunting and calling people names with a central theme of "I'M a dumb ass and proud of it!" It has no value no matter what you keep in mind.

[Bluenorthwest]

56. I have not seen either one in years. RT gets linked to DU often so I have seen enough

of their anti gay attitude and racism to know they are bigoted and thus not to be trusted on any issue at anytime, ever. The folks on DU who link to RT are making a strong statement about their own acceptance of bigotry. No DUers promote FoxNews. I assume that's because it is not homophobic enough for them, so they stick with RT for their commentary posing as news.

[KoKo]

63. I gave you a link to an RT Show interviewing gay country singer...

but you never answered.


Here is the link and should still take you to the show archive if you are interested:

Larry King to Interview Steve Grand (Gay Country Singer) on RT America Tonight
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024680296

[tridim]

57. It's a Manny poll. Whatever the result, the opposite is true. nt

[MannyGoldstein]

68. Personal attack. nt

[tridim]

69. Criticizing your stupid poll is not a personal attack.

Sorry to disappoint.

[Catherina]

58. Former MSNBC anchor Cenk Uygur would like to weigh in on the corporate media particularly MSNBC

"You need to be more pro establishment, that's what they actually said." - Cenk Uygur

Host and founder of the Young Turks, Cenk Uygur, discussing why he left his job at MSNBC, the corporate media's superficial coverage of news events and the recipe for success in alternative media

[renegade000]

62. I've completely given up on TV "news", whomever it's from.

Nice that you have a Cenk clip. If you like the occasional irreverent and entertaining commentary, you should definitely check out The Young Turks, unless of course, you can't stomach further criticism of the current Russian leadership.

[hrmjustin]

64. I don't like either so I feel thry both are similar.

[quinnox]

65. Looks like a landslide win for Fox news. DU has this one on the money, as usual.

Nice to see the DU collective wisdom.

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

66. The Big Picture on RT for certain

Or did DU already Nader RT?

:eyeroll: