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one_voice

(20,043 posts)
Fri Mar 21, 2014, 07:03 PM Mar 2014

A Ref Wouldn't Let This Girl Play in Her Hijab — Here's How Her Team Responded

Earlier this month, FIFA lifted its ban on headscarves, allowing female Muslim players to wear hijabs while playing soccer. But that didn't stop high school soccer referees in Aurora, Colo. from prohibiting Samah Aidah to play with her head covered.

Last week in response, the Overland High School girls soccer team took an inspiring stand in support of their teammate and her freedom of religious expression by donning headscarves representative of Aidah's hijab.

With more than 40,000 retweets and favorites so far, teammate Divine Davis' photo of the team in headscarves is making a loud statement about equality.

Last year, a high school flag football team in Florida similarly stood in solidarity with a team member who had been the victim of tauntings and racial slurs. But the team's tribute was only limited to pre-game warm-ups as the Florida High School Athletic Association has regulations on what can be worn during play as well.

http://www.policymic.com/articles/85471/a-ref-wouldn-t-let-this-girl-play-in-her-hijab-here-s-how-her-team-responded


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A Ref Wouldn't Let This Girl Play in Her Hijab — Here's How Her Team Responded (Original Post) one_voice Mar 2014 OP
Good team mates Gothmog Mar 2014 #1
These girls just learned 1st hand how ugly and unfair discrimination and racism are! Dustlawyer Mar 2014 #51
That is a true TEAM riversedge Mar 2014 #2
No kidding! calimary Mar 2014 #18
Awesome malaise Mar 2014 #3
High school soccer is not governed by FIFA. Renew Deal Mar 2014 #4
The article didn't say it did. LiberalAndProud Mar 2014 #5
FIFA decisions are never pertinent to high school sports governing bodies elephant hunter Mar 2014 #62
Clearly so. LiberalAndProud Mar 2014 #63
The linked article is misleading. elephant hunter Mar 2014 #65
good cindyperry2010 Mar 2014 #6
love! Iris Mar 2014 #7
The 'greatest game' shall prevail! Only referees and FailureToCommunicate Mar 2014 #8
woo hoo! love this! secondwind Mar 2014 #9
Why not? They're already risking long term brain damage from all the headers. pnwmom Mar 2014 #10
Here is how Saudi runner Sarah Attar dealt with it in the Olympics. uppityperson Mar 2014 #15
That looks safe. Unlike the girls in the photo. There's still the problem of head-bashing, pnwmom Mar 2014 #16
They could probably fit bike helmets under those. n/t. Ken Burch Mar 2014 #25
This is how most of the covered women at my gym dress to work out. enough Mar 2014 #21
I wonder which girl is wearing her own Hijab. Auntie Bush Mar 2014 #11
religion LOL n/t KG Mar 2014 #12
knr Douglas Carpenter Mar 2014 #13
Curious if Colorado High School sports has a ruling rpannier Mar 2014 #14
It is a safety issue. ManiacJoe Mar 2014 #17
Yes, this. wickerwoman Mar 2014 #19
Same for my daughter when she played soccer and basketball. efhmc Mar 2014 #61
She needs to just wear a sport hijab, as children do in all parts of the Islamic world. MADem Mar 2014 #66
Exactly. ManiacJoe Mar 2014 #67
Forgive my ignorance. Half-Century Man Mar 2014 #20
I googled traditional colors for.. one_voice Mar 2014 #29
Panzergruppe (many tanks){dumb joke} Half-Century Man Mar 2014 #46
Keep in mind this is "cultural" vs religious etherealtruth Mar 2014 #58
There are no RULES. There are cultural customs depending on what part of the world one lives in. MADem Mar 2014 #68
Tea Party girl headgear ErikJ Mar 2014 #22
and... progressoid Mar 2014 #60
But I can see their faces! brooklynite Mar 2014 #23
And too much leg. That pic could be an SI cover. You ever see people stand around like that? The Straight Story Mar 2014 #27
This gives me so much hope for the future. blackspade Mar 2014 #24
Hope TNNurse Mar 2014 #26
K&R stonecutter357 Mar 2014 #28
Never underestimate Iwillnevergiveup Mar 2014 #30
This message was self-deleted by its author CFLDem Mar 2014 #31
Next, they'll let people play in a suit of armor. Not fond of religion changing things nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #32
I'm pleased with the school and the teammates for letting her wear it to practice... pffshht Mar 2014 #33
What makes you think that her parents MADE her wear it? Democracyinkind Mar 2014 #55
But she's a teenager...probably indoctrinated in religious dogma alp227 Mar 2014 #56
So... Teenagers have no agency? Democracyinkind Mar 2014 #57
A lot do, but some easily fall into an authoritarian trap. alp227 Mar 2014 #70
And where in the article did it say that this a radically religious family? Democracyinkind Mar 2014 #72
Ugh. What a grotesque misreading of the religious text riderinthestorm Mar 2014 #34
Have you ever met a Muslim women? BainsBane Mar 2014 #35
More than you obviously. riderinthestorm Mar 2014 #38
not always, and the covering worn during sports is different than the ones in that pic JI7 Mar 2014 #41
clearly not BainsBane Mar 2014 #69
+1 :) azurnoir Mar 2014 #44
Thanks for sharing those photos... ReRe Mar 2014 #45
"dress in ways they don't approve of" Vashta Nerada Mar 2014 #71
people decide for themselves what they need to do to be observant JI7 Mar 2014 #40
I dig the support, but wearing that in a soccer game is a good way to get a neck injury theboss Mar 2014 #36
I have hope...kudos to all of these soccer player/girls. Soon the adults will "get it". libdem4life Mar 2014 #37
Kick & recommended. William769 Mar 2014 #39
The teabaggers constantly whine that they Aristus Mar 2014 #42
They may not be religious, but they understand solidarity. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2014 #43
Aren't children pretty cool (for the most part sometimes they have their days) glowing Mar 2014 #47
Now *that's* a team! As for safety, I've seen some very tightly tucked headscarves, no trailing ends Hekate Mar 2014 #48
How to win before the game starts. n/t Orsino Mar 2014 #49
Religious observance in school activities seveneyes Mar 2014 #50
Honestly? Because it's not a Christian denomination theboss Mar 2014 #52
Overland High School girls soccer team n/t seveneyes Mar 2014 #53
muhahaha! soon the oppression shall begin! NuttyFluffers Mar 2014 #54
Nice! ismnotwasm Mar 2014 #59
Holy crap.... Buddyblazon Mar 2014 #64

Dustlawyer

(10,495 posts)
51. These girls just learned 1st hand how ugly and unfair discrimination and racism are!
Sat Mar 22, 2014, 08:20 AM
Mar 2014

Hopefully they will carry this with them the rest of their lives.

LiberalAndProud

(12,799 posts)
5. The article didn't say it did.
Fri Mar 21, 2014, 07:34 PM
Mar 2014

The FIFA decision is pertinent, since safety was the concern cited by the refs.

http://www.aljazeera.com/sport/football/2014/03/fifa-allows-hijab-turban-players-20143113053667394.html
www.aljazeera.com/sport/football/2014/03/fifa-allows-hijab-turban-players-20143113053667394.html

elephant hunter

(70 posts)
62. FIFA decisions are never pertinent to high school sports governing bodies
Sat Mar 22, 2014, 04:32 PM
Mar 2014

If you don't believe me then just ask one of them.

LiberalAndProud

(12,799 posts)
63. Clearly so.
Sat Mar 22, 2014, 04:35 PM
Mar 2014

But FIFA did investigate whether wearing hijabs is an indication of greater risk of injury. It appears that the answer to that inquiry was "no." Since the objection is one of safety, it's pertinent to note that decision, isn't it?

elephant hunter

(70 posts)
65. The linked article is misleading.
Sat Mar 22, 2014, 05:18 PM
Mar 2014

The scarves in the photo have not been approved by FIFA and the referee was correct in his ruling. Therefore there is very little pertinent put forth by anyone in this thread.

pnwmom

(108,976 posts)
10. Why not? They're already risking long term brain damage from all the headers.
Fri Mar 21, 2014, 08:01 PM
Mar 2014

Why not a broken neck, too?

Because nothing could possibly go wrong in playing a sport with long scarves dangling from your neck.



Yes, I know, sports fans, there's not certain PROOF about the headers. But more and more concern among doctors, especially about younger players. And it stands to reason that bashing your head against a ball several hundred times a week in practices and games might not be the best thing for delicate brains inside hard skulls.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/27/sports/soccer/researchers-find-brain-trauma-disease-in-a-soccer-player.html

Dr. Erin Bigler, a professor of psychology and neuroscience and the director of the Magnetic Resonance Imaging Research Facility:

“The brain is a very delicate organ, and it probably can withstand some injury, but the whole issue of repeated injury is a very different circumstance,” he said. “When it’s moving, it’s moving with its 200 billion brain cells. And those cells are being, in some way, mechanically deformed, some more than others, which gives you an appreciation of what’s going on with these collisions.”

Bigler said he would not recommend that players, especially young ones, routinely head the ball. The brain is not fully developed until about age 25, he said, making it more susceptible to injury.

SNIP

“The cold, hard reality is that the data don’t exist to address that question,” said Dr. Michael L. Lipton, a neuroscientist and neuroradiologist at Yeshiva University’s Albert Einstein College of Medicine, who studies the effects of heading. “We’re really in very much uncharted territory. So what should I do with my kid? That basically becomes the kind of risk-benefit assessment we have to make all the time in life.”

SNIP

Last year, the journal Radiology published results of a study by Lipton and others of 39 amateur adult soccer players, with a median age of 31, who had played soccer since childhood. It concluded that “heading is associated with abnormal white matter microstructure and with poorer neurocognitive performance.”



uppityperson

(115,677 posts)
15. Here is how Saudi runner Sarah Attar dealt with it in the Olympics.
Fri Mar 21, 2014, 08:13 PM
Mar 2014

Edited to find a photo that would show.



pnwmom

(108,976 posts)
16. That looks safe. Unlike the girls in the photo. There's still the problem of head-bashing,
Fri Mar 21, 2014, 08:15 PM
Mar 2014

but that's their choice.

enough

(13,256 posts)
21. This is how most of the covered women at my gym dress to work out.
Fri Mar 21, 2014, 08:51 PM
Mar 2014

There aren't a lot of them, and I'm sorry to say they don't seem to keep coming for long periods of time. But I've never seen anything I thought was a safety issue for them or others around them.

rpannier

(24,329 posts)
14. Curious if Colorado High School sports has a ruling
Fri Mar 21, 2014, 08:08 PM
Mar 2014

It may be banned to wear it
If it is, then all the outrage foisted on the ref is inappropriate
The ref's job is to enforce the rules and guidelines set out

ManiacJoe

(10,136 posts)
17. It is a safety issue.
Fri Mar 21, 2014, 08:15 PM
Mar 2014

All those loose ends need to be tucked under the shirts.

Kudos to the team for doing the right thing!

wickerwoman

(5,662 posts)
19. Yes, this.
Fri Mar 21, 2014, 08:40 PM
Mar 2014

I used to be a youth soccer referee and before every match we had to walk down the length of players and ask them to remove jewellry, rings and earrings, tuck in their shirts and remove any non-uniform clothing that could snag other players or injure them. I wouldn't have let a girl play in a loose head scarf like that. It's a semi-contact sport and she could easily have injured herself or someone else (imagine two players going up to head the ball- the other girl goes higher and her hand or elbow snags the scarf either wrenching the first girl's neck or breaking the other girl's finger. I sprained a thumb once just accidentally snagging another girl's shirt that was too loose). If a girl showed up wearing a cross necklace over their uniform, I would have asked them to remove that too.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
66. She needs to just wear a sport hijab, as children do in all parts of the Islamic world.
Sat Mar 22, 2014, 06:16 PM
Mar 2014

Good grief, so many "issues" are so damned easy to solve.

They're even available in "team" colors.



The coach is a bigot and stupid, too.

Half-Century Man

(5,279 posts)
20. Forgive my ignorance.
Fri Mar 21, 2014, 08:47 PM
Mar 2014

When I saw the photo, I wondered if all the bright colors and patterns were traditionally allowed or might this be something newer? Everyone I've seen has been fairly subdued.

Arguing with one teenager is difficult, arguing with eighteen...impossible. You lose. Let her wear the Hijab

etherealtruth

(22,165 posts)
58. Keep in mind this is "cultural" vs religious
Sat Mar 22, 2014, 12:15 PM
Mar 2014

You will find a wide variety of dress among Muslims .... not only the obvious differences between the burqa, hijab, chador ... but differences in color, pattern and style.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsround/24118241

Islam requires both men and women to dress modestly ... how this is achieved is cultural.

How Muslims dress around the world http://islamfashionandidentity.blogspot.com/2009/03/salam-aleikum-on-this-page-i-would-like.html

MADem

(135,425 posts)
68. There are no RULES. There are cultural customs depending on what part of the world one lives in.
Sat Mar 22, 2014, 06:26 PM
Mar 2014

All "hijab" means is covering.

Anything can be a "hijab" -- even a scarf and a baseball cap.

Check out the Persian archer at ths link...
http://muslimmedianetwork.com/mmn/?p=2731

brooklynite

(94,502 posts)
23. But I can see their faces!
Fri Mar 21, 2014, 09:13 PM
Mar 2014

What if I'm inflamed with lust? As a male, I apparently can't control myself.

The Straight Story

(48,121 posts)
27. And too much leg. That pic could be an SI cover. You ever see people stand around like that?
Fri Mar 21, 2014, 09:37 PM
Mar 2014

Nope - they were posing for a photo. And posing means they were forced to stand that way to please men.

Those ladies (not gals....) probably have a hard life of men looking at them and opening doors for them they don't need to have it compounded by having their sinful photos plastered all over a progressive message board.

(we need a door opening smilie)

blackspade

(10,056 posts)
24. This gives me so much hope for the future.
Fri Mar 21, 2014, 09:23 PM
Mar 2014

I just hope that boomers and genX don't totally fuck the world up beyond hope in the meantime.

Response to one_voice (Original post)

pffshht

(79 posts)
33. I'm pleased with the school and the teammates for letting her wear it to practice...
Fri Mar 21, 2014, 10:04 PM
Mar 2014

But not so much with her parents for making her wear it in the first place.

See the earlier thread here on Christian purity balls / promise rings. See a double standard?
To me it's no more 'OK' to be a fundamentalist Muslim than it is to be a fundamentalist Christian.
Both religions are stupid, misogynist, anti-science, and have no legitimate place in 21st century America.
Islam tends to get a pass from the left because it the right wing have made it an enemy. But the Bible is
just a stupid book; and the Koran is just another stupid book. Living by thousand-year-old rules in the
information age is not good, indoctrinating kids in long-discredited myths is not good, women wearing
head coverings all the time and submitting to men in the name of tradition is not good, and I don't support any of it.

Democracyinkind

(4,015 posts)
55. What makes you think that her parents MADE her wear it?
Sat Mar 22, 2014, 09:42 AM
Mar 2014

She is her own person, presumably, is she not? A person with her own free will? Would you have made the same assumption if this was about wearing a rosary?

(That's an honest question... Not trying to goad)

alp227

(32,017 posts)
56. But she's a teenager...probably indoctrinated in religious dogma
Sat Mar 22, 2014, 12:02 PM
Mar 2014

Can't exactly say wearing the headscarf was HER choice.

alp227

(32,017 posts)
70. A lot do, but some easily fall into an authoritarian trap.
Sun Mar 23, 2014, 01:19 AM
Mar 2014

especially in radically religious families.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
34. Ugh. What a grotesque misreading of the religious text
Fri Mar 21, 2014, 10:14 PM
Mar 2014

If a Muslimah is observant, and wants to wear a hijab, that also means she's covered head to toe. So to be compliant all of those girls should be in garments that cover their arms and legs, as well as their heads.

That those girls have short sleeves and shorts only indicates that they don't "get" the religious proscription about this.

Finally, every soccer game my girls played meant that any extraneous items must be removed. Jewelry, arm bracelets, head bands - any of it was prohibited because of safety concerns. The kind of hijab those girls are wearing is dangerous. I have no doubt the stewards ruled them inadmissible. Any parent whose kids are involved in the sport would recognize the dangers and would similarly be wary of that kind of loose headgear.

BainsBane

(53,031 posts)
35. Have you ever met a Muslim women?
Fri Mar 21, 2014, 11:13 PM
Mar 2014

It appears not. Veiling takes a wide variety of forms, in some places a simple, sheer silk scarf draped over the hair in others a headscarf, and for a few a burka that covers most of their body. The latter is the least common form.





Somali teens in Minneapolis




Somali women at a protest in Minneapolis




The statement by this team is against bigotry, and those young girls are clearly more evolved than those outraged that women dare dress in ways they don't approve of.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
38. More than you obviously.
Fri Mar 21, 2014, 11:38 PM
Mar 2014

A pious muslimah who feels so devout that she.must cover her head would most certainly also be wearing long sleeves and long pants.

Playing soccer in a hijab is risking serious injury. I can appreciate the support this girls teammates are showing while still pointing out the deep flaws.

JI7

(89,247 posts)
41. not always, and the covering worn during sports is different than the ones in that pic
Sat Mar 22, 2014, 12:01 AM
Mar 2014

i thought it would be dangerous also but i saw the outfits worn by women playing sports and those seem safe.

BainsBane

(53,031 posts)
69. clearly not
Sat Mar 22, 2014, 08:52 PM
Mar 2014

You are not an expert on the Koran. Different groups interpret its meaning in different ways. I posted photos of actual women, many from my own community which has the largest population of Somalis in the US. We also have the first Muslim elected to congress. I am not going to decide who is or isn't devout based on what she wears. That is entirely her business. There is quite a bit available to read about veiling. You might try looking for some articles.

Wearing a headscarf is no more dangerous than any other kind of hat. Thankfully, I live in a country where religious choice is protected, and people like you don't get to decide how others can dress or honor their god.

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
45. Thanks for sharing those photos...
Sat Mar 22, 2014, 05:05 AM
Mar 2014

Why are people so bigoted of others who are not like them? Whenever I run into women dressed thusly, at the grocery store or on the sidewalk, it brings a smile to my face and a "Hi" comes out of my mouth. Bigots are repulsed by them, but I'm thrilled with them. I find all the women in these photos beautiful with their scarves/head coverings.

 

Vashta Nerada

(3,922 posts)
71. "dress in ways they don't approve of"
Sun Mar 23, 2014, 01:22 AM
Mar 2014

Um, it is a safety concern. Nobody should be wearing loose-fitting clothing in sports.

I suppose if a wood shop banned hijabs, people would get up in arms over that as well.

JI7

(89,247 posts)
40. people decide for themselves what they need to do to be observant
Fri Mar 21, 2014, 11:58 PM
Mar 2014

many muslim women don't wear any head covering at all.

 

theboss

(10,491 posts)
36. I dig the support, but wearing that in a soccer game is a good way to get a neck injury
Fri Mar 21, 2014, 11:18 PM
Mar 2014

If an opponent's hand gets caught, your body is going to go one way while your head goes the other.

Aristus

(66,316 posts)
42. The teabaggers constantly whine that they
Sat Mar 22, 2014, 12:04 AM
Mar 2014

want their country back.

This is one more of way of telling them that it's our country.

All of us. Together.

Whether they like it or not.

 

glowing

(12,233 posts)
47. Aren't children pretty cool (for the most part sometimes they have their days)
Sat Mar 22, 2014, 06:04 AM
Mar 2014

But many kids seem to like this no bully crap and I hope their generation really has a big impact on the world trying to be civil to one another...

Hekate

(90,644 posts)
48. Now *that's* a team! As for safety, I've seen some very tightly tucked headscarves, no trailing ends
Sat Mar 22, 2014, 06:26 AM
Mar 2014

Last edited Sun Mar 23, 2014, 06:02 PM - Edit history (1)

The girl(s) ought to be looking into that style for active sports. The non-Muslim girls on that team have made a marvelous show of solidarity with that photo, though, and that's the point.

Someone asked about color: in university towns where I've lived (So Cal and Honolulu) we naturally have foreign students. Colors kind of run the gamut. Probably the dullest outfits I've ever seen on were on women who looked Indonesian, and their hijabs and outer robes were beige, solid beige. Indian Hindu and Pakistani women always look gorgeous in their bright silks. The only place I've ever seen the head to toe black robes was in London, where there are a lot of Saudis.

on belated edit: Changed Not to Now. Damned typos.

 

seveneyes

(4,631 posts)
50. Religious observance in school activities
Sat Mar 22, 2014, 08:11 AM
Mar 2014

Great team support and good to see. The bigger question is, why is there so much support for observing religion in government schools here?

 

theboss

(10,491 posts)
52. Honestly? Because it's not a Christian denomination
Sat Mar 22, 2014, 08:50 AM
Mar 2014

Just sayin'

But is this a school team or a league team?

NuttyFluffers

(6,811 posts)
54. muhahaha! soon the oppression shall begin!
Sat Mar 22, 2014, 09:33 AM
Mar 2014

and, lo, the fashion police will rue the day of their lycra capris! cobra-lalalalalalalalala!

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