We're in agreement: Obama has made some serious mistakes

[RobertEarl]

Therefore no one can ever again be an Obamabot. They're all gone.

We all agree Obama has made mistakes and he should be called out for those mistakes. Like Obama himself said: Hold my feet to the fire.

Now we can make some progress, eh?

[Glitterati]

1. ROFL, I hope you have your fireproof suit on

Cause they're about to come in with the flame throwers on full blast!

[RobertEarl]

9. They would not dare. They know better.

[Glitterati]

13. Too late

already here with the flame thrower on.

[RobertEarl]

16. Just bic lighters

I laugh at their biccering!

[Glitterati]

17. Me too

It really is funny to watch them swarm, isn't it?

[Marr]

18. A poster asked him to name one.

That's a flame?

Wow.

[Glitterati]

21. Whatever

I'm gonna just sit back and laugh. Too tired from work to participate.

[Marr]

23. Not too tired to pile on, but too tired to

back up your claim or (that mythical other option), simply admit it wasn't warranted.

Gotcha.

[Glitterati]

24. Toodles

You're gonna have to direct your flame throwers at someone else tonight.

I'm going to spend my time helping someone get signed up for ACA.

[brush]

64. And what president hasn't?

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Iraq
Mission Accomplished
Afghanistan
Nafta
Monica
Read my lips
Debate watch check
Iran—Contra
Patco
Beruit barracks
Iran Hostages
Watergate
Vietnam
Bay of Pigs
Installation of the Shah of Iran . . .

. . . and on and on and on off the top of my head.

Others pls feel free to add to the list.

The real question is do the accomplishments outweigh the mistakes?

[VanillaRhapsody]

2. Then how about we talk about the serious positives....

can we make some progress on that? Or is DU all about only pointing out "serious mistakes"....(as if any human being who becomes President wouldn't)

[RobertEarl]

4. Proceed, Vanilla

[SidDithers]

22. BeFree to proceed, RobertEarl...nt

Sid

[RobertEarl]

27. Where ya been Sid?

There have been a hundred socks here since you went away.

Now that you are back they are sure to get socked, right?

I come not to bury Obama... that would be too easy. No, I come to bury the Obamabots. Seen any? I think they are all gone.

[SidDithers]

28. Socks? Who mentioned socks?...

Why would you raise the issue of sockpuppets?

Sid

[morningfog]

39. Why do you only post about DUers?

Why do you only engage in personal attacks? There is a word for your purpose.

[Bobbie Jo]

42. Maybe you should alert.

[morningfog]

44. I tried. He's a careful troll.

Everyone knows it, I guess we're stuck with him.

[Bobbie Jo]

46. Yes, everyone knows you tried.

Tomorrow is another day.

[morningfog]

66. And everyone knows he is here to disrupt.

Oh well. I hadn't noticed him for some time, it was nice.

[Bobbie Jo]

67. Sounds like another mission to me. nt

[morningfog]

68. I have no idea what you are talking about.

[Agschmid]

40. ...

On Wed Mar 26, 2014, 11:49 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

BeFree to proceed, RobertEarl...nt
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4732606

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Calling a DUer a troll and a sock. Sid is an infection on DU. Hide his disruptive and divisive posts. He is here to cause disrupt. Sid is once again only posting about Duers, and personal attacks.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Wed Mar 26, 2014, 11:54 PM, and the Jury voted 0-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No idea what this means from Sid's post. Is "BeFree" a sock?? In any case, calling Sid a troll for anything he would say to the troll Robertearl? Laugh. Or at least chuckle.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I get the alerters comment but I'm not sure in this case it is enough for me to vote to hide. Seems like RobertEarl is all set after their response. Everyone is trolling apparently... - Agschmid
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: This is silly.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Why is my time being wasted by squabbles like this?
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[SidDithers]

43. Thanks for posting the results...

Sid

[Whisp]

49. Bwahahahaha!

[sheshe2]

55. Oh yeah!

Great Jury!

[steve2470]

11. amen nt

[cherokeeprogressive]

3. Name one.

[RobertEarl]

5. One? One what?

[cherokeeprogressive]

6. A "serious mistake" made by President Obama.

Feet, meet fire.

[VanillaRhapsody]

7. I would rather he and you both talk about what you think are positives...

[cherokeeprogressive]

10. Yeah well, it's not your thread. I would rather RobertEarl name one "serious mistake" he thinks

President Obama has made.

[Rex]

19. Trusting the GOP to work with him, if he really ever did.

I mean he probably thought they were joking, no adult would behave that way for 4 or 8 years right? That was a serious mistake imo.

[BeyondGeography]

30. Yeah, it was

Getting re-elected wasn't a serious mistake though. Part of the calculation was erring on the side of caution to put himself in a better position to beat them in 2012 since the nihilists couldn't portray him as a dictatorial partisan. Not the greatest outcome for the country, but vastly better than a President Romney.

[Rex]

36. Getting re-elected sent a clear signal to the GOP.

They just double downed in their immaturity.

[RobertEarl]

12. Proceed, Vanilla

You can even start your own thread!!

[VanillaRhapsody]

53. You first.....

if you can....

[Prophet 451]

65. I can think of a couple

- Not pushing hard enough for a public option. Come to that, not even having single payer be part of the debate was a serious mistake.
- Firing/resigning Van Jones.

[Terra Alta]

8. No President is perfect.

They have all made some mistakes. Compared to Presidents like Ray-gun and Dumbya, Obama is a freaking godsend. I'm thankful every day he is our President and not McCain or Romney.

Yes, Obama has made some mistakes, but instead of dwelling on those mistakes, why not focus on all the good things he has done?

[RobertEarl]

14. That's the way I see it

Compared to what we had, Obama is great. I too am thankful no republican is in the president's office.

[VanillaRhapsody]

54. that's all you got "at least he is not George W. Bush" way to set the bar extremely low...

[baldguy]

15. No, we can't make any progress.

When a small group of delusional people who claim to be Democrats can't stop taking their cues from extremist Republicans by trying to lynch the first African-American President.

[RobertEarl]

20. Lynch?

My gawd the hyperbole!!

If any here can't make a defense of Obama, then Obama has some real problems.

[baldguy]

33. I don't try to give Teabaggers and their allies the benefit of doubt. They don't deserve it.

There's a reason they've earned the "extremist" label - they advocate killing people.

[RobertEarl]

34. Yes, teabaggers are not to be trusted

And you brought up a point that maybe Obama has not realized well. That giving the teabaggers and their ilk in congress any benefit of doubt was a mistake.

Having covered that, it does strike me odd that you used democrats and lynch the president in the same idea. Have you someone you can point out who is a dem and wants to lynch our president? Cuz we sure do need to get on their ass.

[baldguy]

45. Not Democrats ... "Democrats".

And, yes. There is a difference.

[VanillaRhapsody]

56. what the baldguy said...

[RobertEarl]

58. Not following you

You think quote marks around the same word are supposed to lead to different definitions?

Do you think anyone who disagrees with you is not a democrat? What?

[wandy]

25. OK, lets try thinking that the glass is half full..............

Let's say you were a quarter back.
Let's say that fully one half of you're own offensive line were hell bent on making sure you could not complete a pass.

In the face to Teapublican obstruction I don't think history will ever be able to accurately assess Obama's Presidency.
In the face to Teapublican obstruction I don't think we can know if Obama did the wrong thing or if it was just the "best rabbit he could pull out of his hat".
Because of Teapublican obstruction we will never know what progress might have been made.

[RobertEarl]

26. So, you are saying the teabaggers beat Obama?

Or is it that our ranting for less drones, more SS, better insurance, a fix to global warming is what is keeping Obama from scoring touchdowns? That it is our fault for wanting the best for the world and our people?

Please, proceed, wandy.

[wandy]

31. Not at all. What I am saying is that.............

The problems you have pointed out are things a functional government should be addressing.
A functional government does not waist time bickering about an elected leaders country of origin.
A functional government does not scream scandal at every opportunity weather scandal exists or not.
A functional government does not repeatably howl a mantra to imped progress. Can you say Benghazi?
A functional government does not attempt to repeal even a modest improvement in health-care 43 Fu**ing times.

Can you deny that the GOP has been a major cause of this disfunction?

No, I'm not an Obama apologist, still, do tell me more about how it is all Obama's fault.

[RobertEarl]

32. Where did I say it was all Obama's fault?

I never expected him to be perfect, and he's not.

But i did expect, as you say, a functional government. One that tackles these real issues. I still have hope things will change and get better.

Like Obama asked: hold his feet to the fire. I am doing what he asked.

[wandy]

37. A bit more in alignment here.......

I also never expected Obama to be perfect. When you get right down to it the man has made some mistakes.
I just wonder if some of those mistakes were caused by the GOP's desire to cause government to be dysfunctional.
Could we have had a universal health plan?
Would the disgrace of Guitamao have been put behind us?
Would we have had less unemployment and a safer infrastructure?

I have no problem with holding "his feet to the fire".
I just ask that we take into account the type of the Teapublican crap he is dealing with.
The type of the Teapublican crap we all are dealing with.

[RobertEarl]

38. It is in my state

I have first hand experience with it. I saw how some elected officials dealt with them, and beat them. And seen others cave into their demands.

The caving in and denial of truths is our downfall. I remember when campaigning for Obama in 2008, how many people came to vote for the first time in their lives. They did so because they wanted someone to stand up for them; the poor and the working class. I was told if it didn't happen soon the country was going down.

Sadly, in the last five years, we have fallen deeper and hope is fading. Gas is still too high, jobs are still too scarce, and the teabaggers are still too strong.

The Obama voters liked Obama when he was on TV speaking forcefully about change. Haven't seen the same in a long time. People who I try to get out the vote with are like: ""Are you still doing that? It makes no difference"", they say.

I know this: Obama isn't saving the country from its slide. We are still headed over the cliff. But i have hope things will change.

[wandy]

41. I will do what I can. I'm sure you will also.....

Face it, we fight an uphill battle.
Think of the money/propaganda (one dollar=one vote) that the GOP can bring to bare.
Think of the herd animal mentality of the Teapublican rank and file.
Then, on our side theres......
"change, what change, you promised change". Where is it?

It could be that the best I can hope for is that President Obama can slow down the side.

Here I go again with that cup is half full stuff.
At least were not here impotently bitching about President romney.

Like the man in the movie said.
Never give up. Never surrender.

[RobertEarl]

47. And what my OP is about

This constant harping on each other is not helping us progress. Recently what I have seen, and experienced, here on DU, is a huge amount of waste of time, and effort. I'd like that to end.

We have people like yourself who can deal with the reality that Obama is not perfect and others who are ready to tear you down because you say as much.

I have been called many bad names and had my creds called into question over minor things I personally feel and wish to express about the way things are going. Those attackers have earned a name and so I am calling them down and trying to calm them down. They have been running wild all over the site and hurting our unity.

I have been here a long time. Been thru many a battle and have not seen until recently the animosity be so bad.

There is no reason for it. Reasoned discussions like we have just had are more the style we need. Such discussions in the past encouraged me, informed me and gave me new ideas. I seek more such discussions and less getting slandered for minor, yes, minor disagreements.

Thank you, wandy.

[gulliver]

29. Here's some attention. nt

[Skittles]

35. LOL RobertEarl

there's plenty of the Tiger Beat crowd in action - Obama himself would find them pathetic and ridiculous

[RobertEarl]

50. Imagine were Obama to read some of the crap here on DU

He'd head for the hills.

I grow weary of the attacks on good Dems for just speaking their minds. We are not in the best of shape in this country and if what we see on DU are a symbol of the future leaders, I am going to lose all hope.

I consider the case to be just a bad infection which can be healed, but then I've most always been a damned optimist.

[Skittles]

61. Obama is extremely intelligent

the rah-rah crowd treats him like he is some kind of moron who needs to be coddled......I would not worry about them representing anything though - this ODS garbage will end when he is no longer president - they'll start holding other presidents' feet to the fire again

[Whisp]

48. zzzzZZZZzzzz

my head just flopped down on the keyboard and hit the snooze button.


wuh, huh? My Hair!...

[RobertEarl]

52. Hey whisp

Aren't you glad there are no more Obamabots. That's over and done with and now we can get back to working together and holding Obama's feet to the fire!!

So what's your idea of making progress?

[Whisp]

59. My idea of making progress is not undermining the President 64 times a day on DU. n/t

[RobertEarl]

62. So don't do it

He told us to hold his feet to the fire. Well....

Truman was quoted as saying that ""The buck stops here""

And: "If you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen"

Obama can hardly be undermined by posts on DU. Personally I think he is much too powerful to be hurt from here. He is, afterall, the leader of the free world.

Note my comments above about the discourse on DU. See if that can apply to you, or not.

[aquart]

51. Good heavens. Some of us really thought he was the Messiah?

[RobertEarl]

57. Some thought he was our last chance

But he is just our best, most current chance to save the country and all we hold dear. Too much to ask of a president, indeed. He told us as much. He said that he needs us to come together and help him. He's just the leader of the free world.

But your perception that some thought he was like a messiah is reflected in the fact they countenance no criticism of Obama. As if see no evil, hear no evil, was gonna save the world.

[sheshe2]

63. You are having a lot of fun here aren't you?

"Too much to ask of a president, indeed. He told us as much. He said that he needs us to come together and help him. He's just the leader of the free world."

So subtle here are you not?

So what you are saying is that your duty ends when you leave the voting booth. It's his job, you voted and you are done.

[VanillaRhapsody]

60. Some accused the supporters of expecting "the One" for some reason....

when at the first sign of a flaw in President Obama...then it was "just as they expected....he isn't "the One" after all"....but the ones still supporting were the ones who were accused of expecting "the One".