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iandhr

(6,852 posts)
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 01:23 PM Mar 2014

This place in many ways has gone off the deep end. RE: Used car salesman

I am going to break a rule. I don't care if this post gets hidden. This needs to be said.

I checked in here from time to time during the Bush years. DU was mainstream progressive blog along the lines of Daily Kos. Since Obama was elected everything changed.

You can hardly come here without people bashing the President. Calling him a sellout for not getting a single payer system for healthcare (even though he never said he would do it on the campaign) Now the law is going into effect, a contest topic here is how the president is a sellout on healthcare. The fact the millions have access to care that they didn't have before doesn't seem to matter to ideological purists.


On Russia and Crimea. People are calling the President a hypocrite because of the Iraq war. The fact the President opposed the war is irrelevant.

To use the words of a frequent poster here the President is a POS used car salesman.

With "friends" like these who needs enemies.





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This place in many ways has gone off the deep end. RE: Used car salesman (Original Post) iandhr Mar 2014 OP
Edited due to OP edit. N/T Coventina Mar 2014 #1
I will fix that. iandhr Mar 2014 #2
K & R for exposure .... littlewolf Mar 2014 #3
A jury let an OP intended to call out Pitt as a racist stand, and your complaint about DU is that cthulu2016 Mar 2014 #4
You got that right... truebrit71 Mar 2014 #6
Are the jury results posted somewhere? Just curious to see. DanTex Mar 2014 #9
-- G_j Mar 2014 #56
Proves yet again that DUers make very, very bad jurors. cui bono Mar 2014 #117
Extraordinary Pomposity In Your Post ProfessorGAC Mar 2014 #154
Not at all. Surely you can tell if a juror is being objective or simply voting based on bias or not. cui bono Mar 2014 #187
Well said, Bill... SidDithers Mar 2014 #124
you don't think they expected to be alerted on? nt G_j Mar 2014 #133
Right on, Juror #1 brooklynboy49 Mar 2014 #144
uh I agree with your sentiment but dreamnightwind Mar 2014 #161
the connection between political rhetoric and sports rhetoric also applies Supersedeas Mar 2014 #190
Juror #1's explanation does not match the vote Doctor_J Mar 2014 #160
Touchscreen vote-flip? dreamnightwind Mar 2014 #165
there's perspective Supersedeas Mar 2014 #20
That was not the point of my OP, and ProSense Mar 2014 #58
Funny how you conveniently left out "racist" this time. cui bono Mar 2014 #119
The despicable name calling is expected of RW racists. ProSense Mar 2014 #125
Some People clearly have no issues with Smear Merchants bobduca Mar 2014 #130
Well, one prominent poster has jumped the shark CJCRANE Mar 2014 #5
Don't forget Michelle is clueless, yeah.... tons of FUD on DU now uponit7771 Mar 2014 #7
You can make DU a more informative and pleasant experience by putting about 30 posters on ignore alcibiades_mystery Mar 2014 #8
Peehaps you are correct, I loved the post during 2012 campaign, they were Thinkingabout Mar 2014 #12
You are so right! JNelson6563 Mar 2014 #19
Yeah why is Kos such a nice site to visit compared to this place.... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #135
It's been interesting to watch the two directions JNelson6563 Mar 2014 #149
agreed 100%! VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #157
I also find the negative posts on DU discouraging. Laurian Mar 2014 #10
Agree with you on the negative posts 3Stones Mar 2014 #71
You can practically hear them cackling no matter where you are. randome Mar 2014 #11
How soon we forget hfojvt Mar 2014 #13
The problem for the perpetually outraged leftynyc Mar 2014 #97
the trouble is, though, that this is not just a mostly moderate country hfojvt Mar 2014 #101
I understand what you're saying leftynyc Mar 2014 #143
sure it is hard to get stuff done hfojvt Mar 2014 #170
I agree with Randome on this one. Some people are just small minded and get a kick out of okaawhatever Mar 2014 #14
ummm maybe you meant you'll vote for the former ... (nt) sunnystarr Mar 2014 #158
lolz. yeah, I hate it when my freudian slip shows. nt okaawhatever Mar 2014 #174
Good god, that happened a week ago. Vashta Nerada Mar 2014 #15
Today as well. iandhr Mar 2014 #18
I happen to agree with Will on that point. Vashta Nerada Mar 2014 #64
then you and those 109 who "agree".... chillfactor Mar 2014 #78
Nice strawman. Vashta Nerada Mar 2014 #107
I finally just blocked Williampitt. He is just desperate for attention... Walk away Mar 2014 #109
That dead horse rose up from its grave today, peddling its same used-car salesman analogy. pnwmom Mar 2014 #38
I agree. nt WhiteTara Mar 2014 #16
I object to the negative stereotype of the phrase "used car salesman" Puzzledtraveller Mar 2014 #17
'Used conveyance salesperson'? randome Mar 2014 #23
You should have heard what I said about Clinton about various things he did joeybee12 Mar 2014 #21
what is "off the deep end" is claiming it was racist. TheSarcastinator Mar 2014 #22
That's not what was claimed. randome Mar 2014 #24
that is exactly what was claimed TheSarcastinator Mar 2014 #25
+1 Marr Mar 2014 #29
If Ted Nugent says it, it probably was racist. Whisp Mar 2014 #33
outrageous grasswire Mar 2014 #99
I read that post, and it didn't "claim it was racist." MADem Mar 2014 #171
No one here ever bashed the President before 2008. dawg Mar 2014 #26
You are comparing Obama... iandhr Mar 2014 #47
What makes Obama exempt from criticism and them not? dawg Mar 2014 #50
That's the rub right there in a nutshell. NorthCarolina Mar 2014 #180
Fucking Bashing is right.. "used car salesman piece of shit from his fucking heart and soul".. Yeah, Cha Mar 2014 #141
"Drunken, cocaine-addled sociopath" was my favorite description of * Doctor_J Mar 2014 #163
No, since Obama was elected, *you* changed. Marr Mar 2014 #27
fuckin-a right! frylock Mar 2014 #57
He wasn't "your guy" too? (nt) sunnystarr Mar 2014 #159
Haters gonna hate albino65 Mar 2014 #28
how exactly is "used car salesman" racist? TheSarcastinator Mar 2014 #31
When my u-trou are in a knot albino65 Mar 2014 #36
address the question.. frylock Mar 2014 #59
The gratuitous insults and low-rent Bobbie Jo Mar 2014 #75
Were you around here when Bush was President? nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #77
don't forget "empty suit" which now apparently has racist connotations frylock Mar 2014 #80
Yup, I forgot about that one nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #85
I should add..... Bobbie Jo Mar 2014 #84
Translation, it is ok if this is a republican nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #86
Your translator is broken Bobbie Jo Mar 2014 #90
I don't think so nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #93
Well, this IS DEMOCRATIC underground, after all. uppityperson Mar 2014 #121
Another Poster Off The Deep End ProfessorGAC Mar 2014 #155
the fact that Obama is clearly more competent then bush is what makes this all the more frustrating frylock Mar 2014 #88
Frustration is one thing.... Bobbie Jo Mar 2014 #92
RW-style policy is a completely different matter as well.. frylock Mar 2014 #95
Time to whip out the broad brushes? Bobbie Jo Mar 2014 #98
shit, this place has been whitewashed by people wielding their ODS broad brush frylock Mar 2014 #100
What does that have to do with interpreting "empty suit" as racist? Doctor_J Mar 2014 #162
huh? Bobbie Jo Mar 2014 #164
read your DU journal PowerToThePeople Mar 2014 #150
yo doesn't mean shit to me. albino65 Mar 2014 #152
followed up by profane anger, nice. PowerToThePeople Mar 2014 #153
Expect a lot worse as we draw toward the midterms. Whisp Mar 2014 #30
no one is forced to come to DU grasswire Mar 2014 #102
you missed my point. Whisp Mar 2014 #105
I'm Beginning To Think.... mrchips Mar 2014 #32
It's off the deep end when we no longer hold our party accountable Auggie Mar 2014 #34
Agreed! Auntie Bush Mar 2014 #35
It makes one wonder if they changed to road map and some people are mistaking DU for free republic. William769 Mar 2014 #37
+1 n/t FSogol Mar 2014 #66
I know! cui bono Mar 2014 #120
Dichotomous thinking, either he is all good or all bad, unable to see shades of grey uppityperson Mar 2014 #122
Who the hell called the President a POS used car salesman and why is this poster still here? Maraya1969 Mar 2014 #39
....... steve2470 Mar 2014 #51
A regular who is sounding like an alzheimers patient this month larkrake Mar 2014 #137
Or red state Iliyah Mar 2014 #40
It's human nature to some LordGlenconner Mar 2014 #96
K&R Bobbie Jo Mar 2014 #41
The majority of Americans voted TWICE for Pres. Obama flamingdem Mar 2014 #42
the majority of posters here criticizing the president voted for him twice frylock Mar 2014 #81
It's hard to get attention on a Democratic/progressive website by being positive TwilightGardener Mar 2014 #43
Ya think? nobodyspecial Mar 2014 #46
yep nt steve2470 Mar 2014 #52
Being negative Capt. Obvious Mar 2014 #55
Is it possible to use language rw racists use without being a racist? uppityperson Mar 2014 #123
"America sought to work within the international system." MisterP Mar 2014 #44
well "we" didn't. Schema Thing Mar 2014 #63
It might be the change from DU 2 to DU 3 karynnj Mar 2014 #45
K&R.... I don't feel the same about DU as I used to.... too much negativity! secondwind Mar 2014 #48
Well it just might be because there are too many negative things going on zeemike Mar 2014 #68
yes, this place has changed.. frylock Mar 2014 #49
+1000. kath Mar 2014 #104
Yes, there was a time this place was concerned about reality. jeff47 Mar 2014 #136
it's funny how just about everyone on the planet read it as a rationalization.. frylock Mar 2014 #184
Yep, just as funny as Al Gore inventing the Internet. jeff47 Mar 2014 #189
no, just the right-wing assholes claim that.. frylock Mar 2014 #191
There's plenty of other examples "everyone knows" if you'd prefer. jeff47 Mar 2014 #194
Apology accepted Capt. Obvious Mar 2014 #53
This place has "gone 'round the bend" in many ways. The_Commonist Mar 2014 #54
It is nothing more than pure and simple ratfucking* FSogol Mar 2014 #60
Yes Ive been here since 2001, it has changed bowens43 Mar 2014 #61
DU used to be about issues. Now it's just a fanzine, apparently. nt valerief Mar 2014 #62
^this^ frylock Mar 2014 #82
pretty much. nt laundry_queen Mar 2014 #115
Most of the posts are about DU or DUers. The SoP is meaningless. morningfog Mar 2014 #131
This type of behavior is embedded in human nature. Trust Buster Mar 2014 #65
yes, traditional democratic values are now fringe left/right wing.. frylock Mar 2014 #87
welcome to du, eys. PowerToThePeople Mar 2014 #151
you think stuff on here is bad now rtracey Mar 2014 #67
"Democrat" Party, eh? stevenleser Mar 2014 #106
Hey rtracey Mar 2014 #156
I don't see any real problem with debating the performance of a Democratic President in office ... spin Mar 2014 #69
just cause someone posts frequently, does not mean they are particularly articulate or intelligent. La Lioness Priyanka Mar 2014 #70
translation: Pitt is stupid frylock Mar 2014 #91
Yes, i have published work. No, I will not make it available to you. La Lioness Priyanka Mar 2014 #103
Michelle Malkin; Sean Hannity, Bill O'Reily, one_voice Mar 2014 #108
It was less than 48 hours after the election in 08 Gman Mar 2014 #72
was that when it was announced that a homophobic asshole was giving the inaugural prayer? frylock Mar 2014 #94
You forgot to follow through. Ikonoklast Mar 2014 #114
No, it was Rahm Emmanuel as Chief of Staff. Gman Mar 2014 #134
Wow, so it was just 48 hours before the WH gave the finger to the left, huh? /nt Marr Mar 2014 #176
Actually less than 48 hours Gman Mar 2014 #188
Oh my-- so the big bad Left made Obama president, huh? Marr Mar 2014 #195
Nah. It's really just that one person, practicing 'grown up' talk. closeupready Mar 2014 #73
The place changed, you are right, and not in a healthy way nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #74
No one has ever said "there must be no criticism of the president." You know better than that... Hekate Mar 2014 #139
Love how they keep trotting out Bobbie Jo Mar 2014 #146
You realize that the President is not anywhere close to a "mainstream progressive", right? n/t Dawgs Mar 2014 #76
^^^ dawg Mar 2014 #111
The best way for the President to avoid criticism from the Left, Maedhros Mar 2014 #79
+1 cui bono Mar 2014 #128
+1. n/t Laelth Mar 2014 #186
What did you say about single payer? xocet Mar 2014 #83
I agree. I don't know if they're ideological purists or repuke trolls. BlancheSplanchnik Mar 2014 #89
But it was the CAR that was the POS, not the President!1!one Number23 Mar 2014 #110
Hey, look on the bright side. Warren DeMontague Mar 2014 #112
It really has gone off the deep end. obxhead Mar 2014 #113
Hate Sells, iandhr.. too bad if it's ignorant.. as you Cha Mar 2014 #116
How could anyone take offense at trying to sell this as better than Crimea ... GeorgeGist Mar 2014 #118
it will bother them again in 2017 Skittles Mar 2014 #192
Republicans dance with glee when Democrats shit on Democrats. baldguy Mar 2014 #126
The full blown "used car fucking hateon" has an ugly con site jerking off.. Cha Mar 2014 #138
Too many shill-trolls. morningfog Mar 2014 #127
Sorry but Obama's words in support of Iraq are indefensible. Warpy Mar 2014 #129
Thank god your OP pulled it back onto the ledge! cui bono Mar 2014 #132
.... DeSwiss Mar 2014 #140
Those on the left like that are their own worse enemies. DCBob Mar 2014 #142
In 2010... Stellar Mar 2014 #145
"Creating reality" and "perception is reality" are the RW's techniques CJCRANE Mar 2014 #148
Point taken. Stellar Mar 2014 #175
I think what's happening is that we're coming to terms with Obama as he really is. It's tough. reformist2 Mar 2014 #147
Nah, 5 or 6 people are making all the noise on this one. Rex Mar 2014 #166
yep. screaming their heads off as quietly as they can in their echo chamber. reddread Mar 2014 #172
DU was mainstream progressive blog along the lines of Daily Kos BlueJac Mar 2014 #167
Way I see it marions ghost Mar 2014 #168
Saying shit like that about a decent Democrat, even if one disagrees with an aspect of his MADem Mar 2014 #169
What's happening here thefool_wa Mar 2014 #173
best reply ever to lock step mentality! Hammer meet nail! JohnRogan Mar 2014 #179
Divide and conquer. grahamhgreen Mar 2014 #177
I have never understood why socialist and anarchist disruptors have free reign here Sen. Walter Sobchak Mar 2014 #178
some people dont care for open forums and if thats your case you should leave, JohnRogan Mar 2014 #181
have you read the Terms of Service? Sen. Walter Sobchak Mar 2014 #193
I believe '08 divided DU as well as the rest of the voting public JohnnyRingo Mar 2014 #182
It's no accident, and it's well coordinated. You're supposed to feel exactly the way you're feeling. Tarheel_Dem Mar 2014 #183
I agree! jazzwinders Mar 2014 #185

cthulu2016

(10,960 posts)
4. A jury let an OP intended to call out Pitt as a racist stand, and your complaint about DU is that
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 01:26 PM
Mar 2014

people are too mean to the President?

That is hardly the biggest DU problem revealed by the whole used car salesman thing.

G_j

(40,366 posts)
56. --
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 03:24 PM
Mar 2014

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

COMMENTS

The use of the term "racist" in a call-out post is not cool.

JURY RESULTS

A randomly-selected Jury of DU members completed their review of this alert at Thu Mar 27, 2014, 12:22 PM, and voted 2-4 to LEAVE IT ALONE.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Will Pitt threw a big baby fit while misplacing blame for his otherwise legitimate concern. However, never have I seen him to be racist nor rightwing. The OP has an agenda as president and founder of the Cult of Obama. And this coming from a huge Obama fan. He is NOT perfect, but he is also not a "used car salesman" and the person that said he is, and I say again, NOT a RW racist.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: I do believe this is a callout post, which is was verboten the last I checked. While nobody is called out by name, it is clearly directed at someone. I'm voting this down in the hope of nipping something in the bud before it escalates.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Alerter, you have got to be kidding me! ProSense hit the nail right on the head. I can't help it if you feel you belong to that group. There is no way on God's green earth I would vote to hide this and shame on you for even alerting. I don't normally sign my name to a jury verdict, but this one I will. I want you to know who I am. William769
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: It is a call out and the racist tagline pushes it over the edge. El_Bryanto
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Lame. If it walks like a duck... maybe the OP needs to know it's not appreciated when he calls out the Prez as a used car salesman.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
117. Proves yet again that DUers make very, very bad jurors.
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 10:44 PM
Mar 2014

The jury system on here is complete and utter bullshit. Too many people can't put aside their biases and just look at if something is rude, over the top, etc...

And way too many people feel a need to insult alerters while they fail miserably at their task.

ProfessorGAC

(64,877 posts)
154. Extraordinary Pomposity In Your Post
Fri Mar 28, 2014, 09:10 AM
Mar 2014

Jurors don't agree with your POV so all DU'ers make bad jurors.

Absolutist rubbish

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
187. Not at all. Surely you can tell if a juror is being objective or simply voting based on bias or not.
Fri Mar 28, 2014, 02:25 PM
Mar 2014

You can do that in IRL, why not on DU?

I have both alerted and voted to hide posts that I agree with the sentiment but not the delivery. That's being objective, which is what jurors are supposed to be.

 

brooklynboy49

(287 posts)
144. Right on, Juror #1
Fri Mar 28, 2014, 07:30 AM
Mar 2014

I thought Juror #1 was spot on and am in full agreement with his or her views regarding the OP's agenda.

I also frequent the Yankees forum, and there's a poster there who's notorious for doing the same, never sees a problem with any Yankee player's performance, and if someone dares post an opinion critical of a Yankee's performance, that poster is called out as a "pretend Yankee fan". It's infuriating there, and it's infuriating here. This is a discussion board, not a cheerleaders board. When a Democrat's performance in office -- any Democrat's -- is questionable, members of this community have not only a right but a responsibility to express their misgivings regarding the same.

dreamnightwind

(4,775 posts)
161. uh I agree with your sentiment but
Fri Mar 28, 2014, 09:51 AM
Mar 2014

that juror voted to leave the post alone, meaning to let the call-out OP implying Will is a racist to stand. The explanation given was all over the place, pretzel city, IMO, seemed like they were supporting a HIDE but no.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
58. That was not the point of my OP, and
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 03:26 PM
Mar 2014

"A jury let an OP intended to call out Pitt as a racist stand, and your complaint about DU is that people are too mean to the President?"

...I'll tell you what I told him. My point: It is a RW-style attack to pick a derogatory label and constantly repeat it. Why does anyone think that it should be acceptable? Why shouldn't it be denounced?

It's nothing more than despicable name calling. It cannot be justified.

The first time, the excuse was "lashing out" in the "heat of the moment."

Though, those attempts to justify the name calling were also ignored, and it continues.

Such despicable and gratuitous name calling should not be acceptable on DU.

I mean, all of a sudden some people are outraged that name calling that a lot of DUers find offensive is being labeled offensive.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
119. Funny how you conveniently left out "racist" this time.
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 10:46 PM
Mar 2014

Just like that other OP by someone else who conveniently left out half the quote to which you and s/her are calling out.

Talk about RW tactics.

 

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
8. You can make DU a more informative and pleasant experience by putting about 30 posters on ignore
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 01:30 PM
Mar 2014

I used to be of the "i don't put anybody on ignore" school. Then I tried it with three particularly toxic posters. ta da. It worked so well I added a bunch more. I have no need to interact with people like that. they teach me nothing (since their positions are utterly predictable), and general toxicity just weighs down any journey toward actual interaction and knowledge. Put them on ignore and move on, the same as you would do with an unpleasant person IRL.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
12. Peehaps you are correct, I loved the post during 2012 campaign, they were
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 01:37 PM
Mar 2014

Informative and cheering on DNC candidates.

JNelson6563

(28,151 posts)
19. You are so right!
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 01:45 PM
Mar 2014

I didn't have anyone on ignore, just didn't. Tried it out for a few particularly obnoxious DUers and Voila! It is better!

Still, there is less and less worth reading here these days, sadly. Been reading Kos more because of it. Lots less bullshit.

Julie

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
135. Yeah why is Kos such a nice site to visit compared to this place....
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:32 PM
Mar 2014

specifically because KOS keeps out the riff raff. AND I notice it hasn't seemed to hurt his bottom line as ONE pathetic poster recently seemed to say...that since "certain" posters bring traffic from their sites...then you have to put up with whatever they say....because....money. That the fact that the mission statement clearly says "support and elect Democrats" that is unimportant now because....money...

JNelson6563

(28,151 posts)
149. It's been interesting to watch the two directions
Fri Mar 28, 2014, 08:32 AM
Mar 2014

these web-sites have taken. Kos seems a bit more action-based and a lot of great writing. DU seems to be falling in quality and quantity. Lots of folks posting now (here) who wouldn't know a single thing about real world politics (like getting involved personally). That wasn't the case in the early days. I think that explains a lot about why and how DU has changed.

And as far as keeping riff raff out hurting Kos' bottom line, on the contrary, Kos has more influence and a longer reach than even the most ardent DUer can fantasize about.

Julie

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
157. agreed 100%!
Fri Mar 28, 2014, 09:33 AM
Mar 2014

Yup...it is becoming just another site to "punch a Democrats" for some....and enough is enough....we have crucial Midterms to consider...

Laurian

(2,593 posts)
10. I also find the negative posts on DU discouraging.
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 01:32 PM
Mar 2014

There's certainly no shortage of such criticism elsewhere and while I can appreciate that we should not just accept all we are told, I'd prefer to find more constructive and encouraging words here.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
11. You can practically hear them cackling no matter where you are.
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 01:33 PM
Mar 2014

Slapping each other on the back, telling each other how clever they are that they can use the word 'fuck' in a sentence. Never thinking past the attention-getting subject line.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]“If you're not committed to anything, you're just taking up space.”
Gregory Peck, Mirage (1965)
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hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
13. How soon we forget
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 01:37 PM
Mar 2014

After the 2006 election, this place used to bash Pelosi so much that I switched to a Pelosi icon to show some support.

But many people were pushing the whole "Democrats suck" message even before that. Many, many, many times I felt like I had to point out that a MAJORITY of Democrats, thanks to the leadership of Kucinich, voted AGAINST the IWR. And also that the Bush tax cuts of 2003 passed the Senate with ZERO Democratic votes, by a vote of 51-50.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/hfojvt/51

For some third partiers the Democratic Party will NEVER be far enough to the left.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
97. The problem for the perpetually outraged
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 04:52 PM
Mar 2014

is that they actually believe they constitute a large percentage of Democrats. It's simply beyond their comprehension that this is a mostly moderate country so they'll continue to have hissy fits and post pathetic insults thinking they're clever. They're the same people who threaten to stay home on election day as if they wont be living in the same country as the rest of us. I'm sick to death of them.

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
101. the trouble is, though, that this is not just a mostly moderate country
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 05:03 PM
Mar 2014

it is also a mostly DUPED country.

It is a country that gets distracted by reality TV and knows very little about most policy, and has a media that makes no attempt to educate them, and would, in fact, have to educate themselves first.

So I get outraged too when there is a national "debate" between
The Democratic Tax cut plan - which gives 50% of its benefits to the top 20%, and
The Republican Tax cut plan - which gives 70% of its benefits to the top 20%.

I mean, yes, certainly 50% IS better than 70%, but I try to scream from my little soapbox that there should be OTHER alternatives and that the Democratic Tax Cut plan actually sucks. It's kinda hard for me to NOT get outraged when my party and a bunch of supposedly liberal pundits start pushing a bunch of b.s.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
143. I understand what you're saying
Fri Mar 28, 2014, 05:05 AM
Mar 2014

and am in large agreement when it comes to fiscal policy. I also have watched (for decades now) how hard it is to get stuff done. All the deals that need to be made to gather enough votes - it's truly maddening. We SHOULD have more alternatives but this is the system we have to work with and it's not going to change until enough people get voted in who want to change it - which has become even harder under citizens united. That's just the reality and it seems many here wish to ignore that reality because they don't like it. I find that counterproductive.

I've stopped getting any of my news (other than the truly breaking) from tv because of what you're talking about. The "crossfire" type debates don't help anyone and just let both sides spew talking points without getting into what the policy is all about and what it means for us and our country. So it's become a wasteland of people talking past each other.

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
170. sure it is hard to get stuff done
Fri Mar 28, 2014, 10:19 AM
Mar 2014

and my alternative tax cut proposals might not ever pass

but there is absolutely NOTHING that would prevent the Democratic Party from PROPOSING better alternatives and even fighting for better alternatives.

Instead they propose crap and then parade a bunch of b.s. propaganda about how their crap is actually really, really good.

It's kinda like Dennis Moore (KS-3) and Senator Jean Carnahan (Missouri). Both of them Democrats and running for re-election in 2002. Both running ads where they brag "they voted FOR the Bush tax cuts". Now here I am fighting those tax cuts, trying to inform the people about how bad they are. And those two are using their ad money, their campaign money, not to educate the public, but to embrace and promote that awful policy.

That's Democratic politicians embracing bad alternatives instead of fighting for good ones.

It's hard to NOT get mad, very mad at THEM.

okaawhatever

(9,457 posts)
14. I agree with Randome on this one. Some people are just small minded and get a kick out of
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 01:38 PM
Mar 2014

Last edited Fri Mar 28, 2014, 11:18 AM - Edit history (1)

stirring up trouble. It's sad, but it's reality. These people bring absolutely nothing to DU and I hope the website owners will rethink what they want this site to represent. Political debate and information for Democrats and Democratic voting individuals or a mental playground for the small-minded. I vote for the former.

chillfactor

(7,573 posts)
78. then you and those 109 who "agree"....
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 04:27 PM
Mar 2014

are as brainwashed as the original OP is.....you listen to FAUX NOISE I take it....

 

Vashta Nerada

(3,922 posts)
107. Nice strawman.
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 05:23 PM
Mar 2014

Disagreeing with Obama =RW?

OK.



I disagreed with Clinton on NAFTA. Did that make me a republican?

Walk away

(9,494 posts)
109. I finally just blocked Williampitt. He is just desperate for attention...
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 07:16 PM
Mar 2014

and he seems to make up a lot of anecdotal stuff to get people posting on his threads.

pnwmom

(108,959 posts)
38. That dead horse rose up from its grave today, peddling its same used-car salesman analogy.
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 02:42 PM
Mar 2014

Maybe its jealous.

Puzzledtraveller

(5,937 posts)
17. I object to the negative stereotype of the phrase "used car salesman"
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 01:42 PM
Mar 2014

being thrown around here and the lack of equality in the use of the term "salesman"

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
23. 'Used conveyance salesperson'?
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 02:06 PM
Mar 2014

[hr][font color="blue"][center]"There is a crack in everything. That's how the light gets in."
Leonard Cohen, Anthem (1992)
[/center][/font][hr]
 

joeybee12

(56,177 posts)
21. You should have heard what I said about Clinton about various things he did
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 02:06 PM
Mar 2014

when President, they would have gotten me banned, and yet still I think he's one of the better presidents of the past century.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
24. That's not what was claimed.
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 02:08 PM
Mar 2014

The same type of language used by RW racists was the intent, I think.

I agree it's a poor choice of words but, hey, so is 'piece of shit' and 'used car salesman'.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]A 90% chance of rain means the same as a 10% chance:
It might rain and it might not.
[/center][/font][hr]

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
29. +1
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 02:18 PM
Mar 2014

It's very tiresome, watching some people continually argue that the sky is not blue, 1+1 does not equal 2, and up is not really up if you tilt your head and run at an angle.

 

Whisp

(24,096 posts)
33. If Ted Nugent says it, it probably was racist.
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 02:26 PM
Mar 2014

and that parituclar OP uses Ted Nugent words.

It's sort of an Aristotle thing, if I remember correctly. What's this thing called?

Ted Nugent is a racist
Ted Nugent uses racist language
So and So uses language Ted Nugent uses
Therefore: Its quite possible So and So can be racist.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
171. I read that post, and it didn't "claim it was racist."
Fri Mar 28, 2014, 10:26 AM
Mar 2014

IIRC, it said that that's the kind of thing a racist would say.

It didn't say the specific phrase was racist. That's a distinction and a difference, IMO.

Here's the specific language of the thread title:

Constantly referring to President Obama as a "used car salesman" is expected of a RW racist.


I wouldn't be at all surprised if a RW racist said that sort of thing--that would be one of the more milder, "made for TV" type slurs, but it wouldn't be a shock to hear that kind of insult at all coming from someone who didn't like POTUS because of his heritage. In fact, that's the kind of thing that would be expected.

Racists do often nibble round the edges. They don't come right out and hit ya with that "N" word, they denigrate from the side. They come in with this snide remark and that, and the purpose of the remarks is to create an impression of the person of color as someone who is "LESS THAN," who is "second rate," who doesn't quite measure up in terms of quality or intelligence or whatever measurement is under consideration....it's one of those "know it when you see it" type things. Dog whistling, if you will. It happens to people who aren't "the majority" in any culture, it even happens in foreign lands. The nail that sticks up must be hammered down--by letting that damn uppity nail KNOW it's "not as good" as the "mainstream." And make no mistake, that kind of language is what is often used to hammer that nail down but good, to keep that nail--be it out of the ordinary in terms of race, cultural heritage, orientation, or gender--in its place.

Again, the poster of that OP didn't call ANYONE here a "RW racist." She said that's the kind of thing she expected from one, and that she didn't expect to see that kind of thing here, on DU. I believe her exact phrase was It should not be acceptable on a site promoting Democrats.

dawg

(10,621 posts)
26. No one here ever bashed the President before 2008.
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 02:10 PM
Mar 2014

Nor did we ever bash prominent Democrats like Joe Lieberman or Zell Miller. That sort of thing just never happened.

iandhr

(6,852 posts)
47. You are comparing Obama...
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 03:13 PM
Mar 2014

..to Zell Millier and Joe Lieberman ? Thank you, you are making my point for me.

dawg

(10,621 posts)
50. What makes Obama exempt from criticism and them not?
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 03:17 PM
Mar 2014

Sure, they both act like right-wing nut jobs today. But at the time, they were considered sensible centrists. Lieberman was our VP candidate in case you don't remember.

 

NorthCarolina

(11,197 posts)
180. That's the rub right there in a nutshell.
Fri Mar 28, 2014, 12:29 PM
Mar 2014

"What makes Obama exempt from criticism and them not?"

I suspect a comprehensive answer to that question (that doesn't just cite DU rules) will not be forthcoming.

Cha

(296,889 posts)
141. Fucking Bashing is right.. "used car salesman piece of shit from his fucking heart and soul".. Yeah,
Fri Mar 28, 2014, 04:10 AM
Mar 2014

I'd call that "bashing" like MF.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
163. "Drunken, cocaine-addled sociopath" was my favorite description of *
Fri Mar 28, 2014, 09:53 AM
Mar 2014

I wonder if that makes me racist

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
27. No, since Obama was elected, *you* changed.
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 02:15 PM
Mar 2014

You ceased to view criticism of the president as healthy or even acceptable, because your guy got into the White House. The criticism of Obama offered for his comments on the Iraq invasion have been tame compared to those made of Bush and Cheney (rightfully) for similar remarks on the same topic.

 

albino65

(484 posts)
28. Haters gonna hate
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 02:18 PM
Mar 2014

Racists are racists.
When your u-trou gets in a knot, you go ahead and post on DU.
Because Mr. Pitt is a long time poster here, he gets a pass on everything.
Ignore doesn't work. I have a few on ignore and they come back like a bad rash.

TheSarcastinator

(854 posts)
31. how exactly is "used car salesman" racist?
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 02:24 PM
Mar 2014

It's not. Mr. Pitt doesn't get a pass on racism because he has been here a long time: his post very simply was not racist, no matter how many times you repeat the claim that it was.

Race baiting is powerful, though, and is often used to stifle dissent and dialogue. So by all means, carry on, brave internet warrior for freedumb.

 

albino65

(484 posts)
36. When my u-trou are in a knot
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 02:38 PM
Mar 2014

I stand up, straighten myself, and go do something else. Maybe you should too.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
59. address the question..
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 03:26 PM
Mar 2014

what was racist about Pitt's post? nobody here gives two shits about your panties.

Bobbie Jo

(14,341 posts)
75. The gratuitous insults and low-rent
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 04:19 PM
Mar 2014

taunts are how RW'ers communicate their contempt and utter scorn toward those they find unworthy of even a modicum of respect, just to let them know that they don't belong. They often used terms or phrases to confer some sort of subordinate status, and use them repeatedly until it seems sort of normal or acceptable.

"Used car salesman" certainly qualifies. RW'ers have been dog whistling taunts like this for decades.



 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
77. Were you around here when Bush was President?
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 04:23 PM
Mar 2014

Let me list some for ya

Used car salesman, yup that was used.

Dubya.

Presnit.

Emperor

Dictator.

Wanna be leader.

Baboon (even the cartoonist used that one)

So it is ok when the object is a Republican, but not when it is a Democrat? This is the kind of, yes, hypocrisy that is troubling. And to quote Former President Theodore Roosevelt, who had a clue about these matters...

To announce that there must be no criticism of the president... is morally treasonable to the American public.

Bobbie Jo

(14,341 posts)
84. I should add.....
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 04:36 PM
Mar 2014

Last edited Thu Mar 27, 2014, 06:09 PM - Edit history (2)

With emphasis on the word GRATUITOUS.

Obama has never approached the level of utter incompetence of GWB. Not even close.

When these taunts are thrown at a legitimately competent person, they aren't intended to be descriptive of their capabilities, it's only to take them down a notch or two and put them in their place.

Yeah, it's RW alright.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
93. I don't think so
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 04:44 PM
Mar 2014

and that is what we are seeing here.

As I said, I refrain myself anymore of big picture posts here, and that has all to do with swarms and faux outrages.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
88. the fact that Obama is clearly more competent then bush is what makes this all the more frustrating
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 04:40 PM
Mar 2014

frylock

(34,825 posts)
95. RW-style policy is a completely different matter as well..
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 04:48 PM
Mar 2014

some folks are more offended by that then a few fuck bombs posted on a website.

 

PowerToThePeople

(9,610 posts)
150. read your DU journal
Fri Mar 28, 2014, 08:39 AM
Mar 2014

I read a lot of journals and search posting histories, it is a hobby.

The "dissolve congress" petition sounds like something a Ron Paul libertarian could get on board with.

albino65's Journal

Petition to dissolve congress
I have posted a petition on whitehouse.gov to dissolve congress. I don't expect this to actually happen, but it might get some attention. I need 150 signatures (I currently have 2) to make this searchable on whitehouse.gov. Then I need 100,000 signatures to actually provoke an answer from the White House. It might be an interesting exercise in political discourse.

You have to establish an account on whitehouse.gov

This is the URL of my petition:


Very Norquistesque imo.
 

PowerToThePeople

(9,610 posts)
153. followed up by profane anger, nice.
Fri Mar 28, 2014, 09:10 AM
Mar 2014

enjoy your stay.


albino65 (203 posts)
152. yo doesn't mean shit to me.

It was a lark. Lighten up.
 

Whisp

(24,096 posts)
30. Expect a lot worse as we draw toward the midterms.
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 02:22 PM
Mar 2014

The jury system will not help keep this a Democratic site. There cannot be any new rules or laws made specific for supporting democrats during the midterms because juries can just throw all that out the window if they choose, on any whim they choose based on who the poster is, what slant, what faction - the post itself being sometimes last on the list of decision making. I think we have seen that 'good faith' posting here has left the building a long time ago.

The RW/ers and the old embeds here have made way an opening for new baggers and wingers to just come right in, the water is fine.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
102. no one is forced to come to DU
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 05:05 PM
Mar 2014

and no one is forced to read the words of posters they don't like.

 

Whisp

(24,096 posts)
105. you missed my point.
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 05:19 PM
Mar 2014

which was

because of the lax rules here in regards to supporting Democrats, where outright lies and incredible verbal abuse is thrown at the President on a regular basis by regular people -

I expect the influx of more RWers, baggers of both fire and tea and Fuck Ron Paulers will rise as the climate here is getting more and more to their liking and they will be protected for their hate speech as well.

I mean, if someone says 'shit on the President' here now, and I mean if it were new posters, not the known ones that take regular shits here - if new posters said that would you be able to tell if they were democrats or if they were republicans now on DU as DU is today? There once was a time where it was apparent which was which, now not so much. Or not much at all.

 

mrchips

(97 posts)
32. I'm Beginning To Think....
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 02:25 PM
Mar 2014

....getting posts hidden is a badge of honor. Thank you for calling out the president bashers. When I took exception to a poster calling a wounded vet a tool in order to bash the president at the SOTU, I was pilloried. It seems to me that we are at war with a party that is racist, homophobic, misogynistic, and bigoted. The last thing we need to do is start attacking our own. Criticism is one thing, but the hatred is something else.

William769

(55,144 posts)
37. It makes one wonder if they changed to road map and some people are mistaking DU for free republic.
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 02:39 PM
Mar 2014

Because some of the language being used is right out of their play book (although watered down to avoid being to obvious.

Flame away.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
120. I know!
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 10:49 PM
Mar 2014

ODS, haters, you're either with us or against us, no criticism allowed, silly nonsensical word salad retorts that have no substance... sheesh, just like teabaggers!

uppityperson

(115,677 posts)
122. Dichotomous thinking, either he is all good or all bad, unable to see shades of grey
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 10:57 PM
Mar 2014

Confusing "criticism" with insults.

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
40. Or red state
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 02:48 PM
Mar 2014

I get the feeling that some DUers would prefer Pres McCain, Pres Rand Paul, Pres RMoney or any goper president.

 

LordGlenconner

(1,348 posts)
96. It's human nature to some
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 04:52 PM
Mar 2014

It wouldn't matter who it is. Warren, Sanders, whoever, they'd find something they disagree with eventually and move on to the next savior. Ideological purity demands it.

flamingdem

(39,308 posts)
42. The majority of Americans voted TWICE for Pres. Obama
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 02:50 PM
Mar 2014

And the majority still support him. So why is DU full of freeperesque threads and name calling against President Obama. Surely there is a better way to air ones disagreements.

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
43. It's hard to get attention on a Democratic/progressive website by being positive
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 02:54 PM
Mar 2014

about Democrats and their policies--if attention is what one is seeking. Being negative, in a big splashy way, gets you views, and maybe passed around to other websites and blogs. That's what certain someones are after.

uppityperson

(115,677 posts)
123. Is it possible to use language rw racists use without being a racist?
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 10:58 PM
Mar 2014

Serious question amid the snark snark snark

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
44. "America sought to work within the international system."
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 03:00 PM
Mar 2014

"We did not grab its resources for our own gain"

that's what's hypocritical

Schema Thing

(10,283 posts)
63. well "we" didn't.
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 03:41 PM
Mar 2014

Yeah, many of Bush & Co. friends got (even more) rich thru war profiteering, but "we" as a nation did not take Iraq's resources. As evidenced by the war costing us $2 trillion and rising.

karynnj

(59,498 posts)
45. It might be the change from DU 2 to DU 3
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 03:01 PM
Mar 2014

There were two huge forums - GD and GDP. Though the latter was supposed to be politics and then later related to the President, I think it really turned into two parallel groups each with their own culture. GD had many who were openly to the left of the Democratic party or who only approved of people to the left of Dennis Kuchinich. In addition, some were likely more libertarian than liberal.

As a person who supported John Kerry more than any other politician, I was FAR more comfortable in GDP - even posting articles that dealt with the SFRC or Kerry actions in GDP. At first, I would try to get some connection to the President to justify this. Eventually, I just stayed in GDP.

DU 3, while having a Politics 2014, does not really have two threads that were really general. Over time, many people - very comfortable on GDP have found DU not very friendly. I suspect this plus the Snowden accusations that moved some people against the President have led to the overall population being far more critical of all mainstream Democrats. This is self perpetuating because it makes more and more people frustrated with what it has become.

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
68. Well it just might be because there are too many negative things going on
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 03:57 PM
Mar 2014

And some people don't want to hear of it...and don't want others to talk about it either.
Sticking our head in the sand makes us look stupid.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
49. yes, this place has changed..
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 03:17 PM
Mar 2014

there was once a time when if a president attempted to rationalize the steaming shit pile of the Iraq war this place would be in unison condemning the comment. not so much anymore. moreover, the President opposed the war when he had no opportunity to vote on IWR. I haven't really seen anything in the last 6 years to indicate that he would vote no.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
136. Yes, there was a time this place was concerned about reality.
Fri Mar 28, 2014, 01:05 AM
Mar 2014

Not fictions such as:

a president attempted to rationalize the steaming shit pile of the Iraq war

Obama said go to the UN, and don't annex.

That is not rationalizing the Iraq war.

But hey, Al Gore said he invented the Internet, right? Everyone knows it's true....

frylock

(34,825 posts)
184. it's funny how just about everyone on the planet read it as a rationalization..
Fri Mar 28, 2014, 01:29 PM
Mar 2014

everyone but Obama's most ardent supporters. seen it a hundred times.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
189. Yep, just as funny as Al Gore inventing the Internet.
Fri Mar 28, 2014, 04:07 PM
Mar 2014

Just about everyone on the planet claims he said he did.

Neither one is true.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
194. There's plenty of other examples "everyone knows" if you'd prefer.
Fri Mar 28, 2014, 04:48 PM
Mar 2014

Say, that colds are primarily spread via doorknobs.

Now, some folks might try to dig up the original material instead of just going with what "everyone knows".

The_Commonist

(2,518 posts)
54. This place has "gone 'round the bend" in many ways.
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 03:22 PM
Mar 2014

It's still, BY FAR, the best news aggregator on the internet.
But the discussions have gotten ridiculous. They always have been in many ways, but it's gotten amped up lately. Day in and day out, people who would probably love sharing a drink together bitching and moaning and bitching and moaning at each other. I will freely admit that I am guilty of this.

However, as others have pointed out, it's really just a small number of posters who are causing the bulk of the ridiculousness. For the most part, most people are cool most of the time. We have a few attention-seekers who simply cannot allow someone else on the internet to be wrong!



I suppose that's what happens when your team has the field, and there are fans who want their guy to pitch, but the other guy is pitching and throwing too many balls and not enough strikes.

Something like that.

FSogol

(45,456 posts)
60. It is nothing more than pure and simple ratfucking*
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 03:35 PM
Mar 2014

There are no criticisms or discussion of policy involved in those daily hate messages from the poster you are referring to, his supporters, and others. Their intent is to suppress the vote in the 2014 midterms using FUD (Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt). I hope the admins take a closer look at what is going on.










* ratfucking is a political term in use since the Nixon days. Look it up.

 

bowens43

(16,064 posts)
61. Yes Ive been here since 2001, it has changed
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 03:40 PM
Mar 2014

we no longer kiss someone's ass just because they claim to be a democrat. We should hold obama to a higher standard than the jackass before him. Unfortunately he's been a major disappointment.

 

Trust Buster

(7,299 posts)
65. This type of behavior is embedded in human nature.
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 03:51 PM
Mar 2014

I have observed that the emotional necessities (motivation) of a fringe Left winger to be very similar to that of a fringe Right winger. IMO, the motivation for this Mental ODS behavior is usually rooted within the individual himself and is not a result of external forces. They punish themselves because subconsciously they think they're undeserving of happiness. We merely represent their "shoulder".

 

rtracey

(2,062 posts)
67. you think stuff on here is bad now
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 03:54 PM
Mar 2014

You just wait until the complacency of the Democrat Party pushes us into a GOP controlled House and Senate....then watch out, because if the President attempts too do ANYTHING with that congress....he's in for a major earful from this group. Pull out your veto stamp Mr. President.... the DU is watching, and nothing you do will be good enough.

 

rtracey

(2,062 posts)
156. Hey
Fri Mar 28, 2014, 09:28 AM
Mar 2014

Troll on this.... I have been a loyal Democrat on this forum for years... ok so wow I didn't say Democratic.....piss off dude

spin

(17,493 posts)
69. I don't see any real problem with debating the performance of a Democratic President in office ...
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 03:57 PM
Mar 2014

or that of his administration in a forum such as DU.

The Democratic Party still is, and should always be, a big tent. Many who post here are extremely liberal and progressive, a good number are moderate Democrats and a few are conservative Democrats. It took all these different types of Democratic voters and a good number of Independent voters as well as a few liberal Republicans to put Obama into the Oval Office as our choice to lead this nation and best represent our views.

Obviously any President will be unable to satisfy all who voted for him. Not everybody will be part of the cheerleader squad.

I see no problem with anyone who voted critiquing and even criticizing an elected politician and his polices. If you didn't vote and didn't have a damn good reason not to vote, perhaps you should keep your mouth shut.

However I don't feel that calling any President names is truly productive. Being the President of the United States might be the most difficult and challenging job in the world and I have a lot of respect for anyone who is willing to assume that responsibility. Probably the two best days of any President's time in office is the day he wins the election and the day he leaves the office.



 

La Lioness Priyanka

(53,866 posts)
70. just cause someone posts frequently, does not mean they are particularly articulate or intelligent.
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 04:06 PM
Mar 2014

the used car salesman analogy was beyond dumb.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
91. translation: Pitt is stupid
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 04:43 PM
Mar 2014

wow. I'd love to take a look at your intelligent, articulate published work. do you have a link handy?

 

La Lioness Priyanka

(53,866 posts)
103. Yes, i have published work. No, I will not make it available to you.
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 05:05 PM
Mar 2014

the work that i do publish is peer-reviewed. Not blogs on the internet.

Also, people, even intelligent ones make stupid posts from time to time. This used car salesman post was stupid.

one_voice

(20,043 posts)
108. Michelle Malkin; Sean Hannity, Bill O'Reily,
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 06:01 PM
Mar 2014

Ann Coulter...and on and on---published work doesn't equal intelligent or articulate. That's subjective.

While I agree Pitt has written some good stuff, his 'writings' of late have not been.

Gman

(24,780 posts)
72. It was less than 48 hours after the election in 08
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 04:11 PM
Mar 2014

before the first bashing started. I remember well who it was and for these whinings she's on my ignore list.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
94. was that when it was announced that a homophobic asshole was giving the inaugural prayer?
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 04:45 PM
Mar 2014

it's only two minutes derp! yes, that was when many people started to question Obama's judgment.

Ikonoklast

(23,973 posts)
114. You forgot to follow through.
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 10:21 PM
Mar 2014

What has this administration done to move gay rights forward since the inauguration?


Oh, that's right, more than any other sitting president in history.


Yes, it really was only two minutes, and Warren has all but been forgotten by the entire nation.

Maybe those questioning judgment should start with their own.

Gman

(24,780 posts)
188. Actually less than 48 hours
Fri Mar 28, 2014, 03:36 PM
Mar 2014

And it was a president the LEFT shoved down everyone's throats in the primaries. Shows the lack of allegiance the left really has to anyone or anything. In fact it is nothing short of a friggin' miracle he won despite the fact he was the weakest candidate. But fate smiled, the world economy crashed and he won in spite of himself and the LEFT. But ever looking for something to bitch about, and too moody to even appreciate it's victory, the LEFT turned on the very candidate they told us was "the one" within hours of the election. How sad to be that way. So much for the LEFT's judgement.

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
195. Oh my-- so the big bad Left made Obama president, huh?
Fri Mar 28, 2014, 05:28 PM
Mar 2014

What an interesting world you live in. Sounds very reassuring.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
73. Nah. It's really just that one person, practicing 'grown up' talk.
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 04:15 PM
Mar 2014

You know, like how we all did when we were 15 and 16.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
74. The place changed, you are right, and not in a healthy way
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 04:15 PM
Mar 2014

To announce that there must be no criticism of the president... is morally treasonable to the American public.

Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/t/theodore_roosevelt.html#bCTsWAjbz9g6LWiL.99

Hekate

(90,565 posts)
139. No one has ever said "there must be no criticism of the president." You know better than that...
Fri Mar 28, 2014, 02:57 AM
Mar 2014

... or used to.

Bobbie Jo

(14,341 posts)
146. Love how they keep trotting out
Fri Mar 28, 2014, 08:03 AM
Mar 2014

this tired old strawman.

This guy is ragged and threadbare, please let him go.

 

Dawgs

(14,755 posts)
76. You realize that the President is not anywhere close to a "mainstream progressive", right? n/t
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 04:20 PM
Mar 2014
 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
79. The best way for the President to avoid criticism from the Left,
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 04:29 PM
Mar 2014

is to stop governing from the Right.

The best way to allow the President to govern from the Right is to denigrate his critics on the Left.

xocet

(3,871 posts)
83. What did you say about single payer?
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 04:36 PM
Mar 2014
"Calling him a sellout for not getting a single payer system for healthcare (even though he never said he would do it on the campaign)"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024735661


Here is what President Obama - Senator Obama at that time - had to say about single payer health care:



President Obama said, "But, as all of you know, we may not get there immediately, because, first, we have got to take back the White House, and we've got to take back the Senate, and we've got to take back the House..(applause)...(inaudible)."


One might have supposed that since he thought at that time that single payer health care was what he wanted to see enacted (subject to his conditions, of course) that he might have actually tried to support single payer by speaking rousingly about it to the public and to Congress after the election. Unfortunately, he neglected to care about single payer after the election - even with his conditions met.

This is unfortunate all the way around.

However, the question that you should have asked at the end of your piece is not the one you did, rather it should have been:

With Democrats like these, who needs Republicans?





BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
89. I agree. I don't know if they're ideological purists or repuke trolls.
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 04:40 PM
Mar 2014

either way, this is bullshit. It's disinformation, it's poor reading comprehension (ever hear of conditional "If--Then" statements and compound sentences?), it's obsessive, it's destroying Progressive unity, it's unproductive.

Anyone who thinks you can inherit a full blown war and just end it like you would close a door is a woefully simplistic thinker.

Ugh, the whole situation is making me so angry……

Number23

(24,544 posts)
110. But it was the CAR that was the POS, not the President!1!one
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 09:46 PM
Mar 2014

And yes, some of Pitt's most ardently devoted followers actually tried to make that argument. That when he said "fuck you you piece of shit used car salesman" he was actually saying that it was the CAR and not the man that was the piece of shit.

The problem with these folks is that they think everyone is as dumb as they are.

 

obxhead

(8,434 posts)
113. It really has gone off the deep end.
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 09:56 PM
Mar 2014

Policies that destroy the well being of the US and were vehemently railed against under Bush are now totally acceptable and championed under Obama.

The support for the most vile of policies here lately is just insane to me.

Cha

(296,889 posts)
116. Hate Sells, iandhr.. too bad if it's ignorant.. as you
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 10:38 PM
Mar 2014

can see that doesn't stop the suckers sucking up on that hate infested rat's nest.

 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
126. Republicans dance with glee when Democrats shit on Democrats.
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:08 PM
Mar 2014

And we wonder why "our side" can never seem to get anything done. With "friends" like these... indeed.

Warpy

(111,174 posts)
129. Sorry but Obama's words in support of Iraq are indefensible.
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:10 PM
Mar 2014

Fortunately, his actions spoke louder and the Iraqis are now mismanaging themselves.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
142. Those on the left like that are their own worse enemies.
Fri Mar 28, 2014, 04:23 AM
Mar 2014

The effect of endless bashing of the President and other Democrats will untimately benefit the RW along with their sick policies... then the "complaining left" will really have something to complain about.

Stellar

(5,644 posts)
145. In 2010...
Fri Mar 28, 2014, 07:38 AM
Mar 2014

I noticed during the midterm how negative the people were about the president. It was enough to depress people. And I thought back then, if there were enough depressed people...they definitely would not get out and vote, even during the midterm which is to be expected. That sentiment seemed to be everywhere.

The only good thing for me was it kept me off the computer and I got more work done.

CJCRANE

(18,184 posts)
148. "Creating reality" and "perception is reality" are the RW's techniques
Fri Mar 28, 2014, 08:09 AM
Mar 2014

to get what they want.

They have outsize influence in the MSM and social media and use this to try to create the perceptions they want.

It doesn't matter what the reality is, they think that if they can create a negative perception, they have won the battle.

Stellar

(5,644 posts)
175. Point taken.
Fri Mar 28, 2014, 12:06 PM
Mar 2014

But I continue to do my share to help as much as I can. That's the best I or anybody can do.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
166. Nah, 5 or 6 people are making all the noise on this one.
Fri Mar 28, 2014, 09:55 AM
Mar 2014

They smell blood in the water and they are all sharks.

 

reddread

(6,896 posts)
172. yep. screaming their heads off as quietly as they can in their echo chamber.
Fri Mar 28, 2014, 10:37 AM
Mar 2014

the same small group that feed and kick their conservative posts as though they amounted to more than a cadre.
and they really dont appreciate dissent, sovereignty, democracy and leftist electoral victories.

BlueJac

(7,838 posts)
167. DU was mainstream progressive blog along the lines of Daily Kos
Fri Mar 28, 2014, 10:01 AM
Mar 2014

I just wish Obama was a progressive. The ACA is better than what was, but a far cry from what is needed. I was hoping for the change we were all promised!!!

marions ghost

(19,841 posts)
168. Way I see it
Fri Mar 28, 2014, 10:01 AM
Mar 2014

Obama got elected on "liberal" rhetoric but he has governed as a centrist. Not necessarily all his fault since the system does not really support Liberal thinking in government. Especially in these days of Teabagger Representation. Obama's hands have been tied in several key battles. On the other hand he has missed some opportunities--we all know what they are. And there have been a few--a precious few but still--significant successes in our direction.

In light of this, we must accept that some are disillusioned and taking it out on the administration. And they have every right to do so without being castigated. Let people have their say, even if you disagree. We can't all be in lock-step here. Our task as intelligent voters is to hold BHO's feet to the fire, and people do that differently.

The Obama supporters on DU are more prevalent than the critics. So your view is skewed.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
169. Saying shit like that about a decent Democrat, even if one disagrees with an aspect of his
Fri Mar 28, 2014, 10:07 AM
Mar 2014

leadership, makes DU suck. IMO it violates the ToS.

One more thing: Don't push your luck.
The DU Community Standards state: "It is the responsibility of all DU members to participate in a manner that promotes a positive atmosphere and encourages good discussions among a diverse community of people holding a broad range of center-to-left viewpoints." Members who demonstrate a pattern of disruptive behavior over time and end up getting too many of their posts hidden by the jury (measured by raw number or percentage) may be found to be in violation of our Terms of Service. If you seem to be ruining this website for a large proportion of our visitors, if we think the community as a whole would be better off without you here, if you are constantly wasting the DU Administrators' time, if you seem to oppose the mission of DU, or if the DU Administrators just don't like you, we will revoke your posting privileges. Remember: DU is supposed to be fun — don't make it suck.


I agree with you that With "friends" like these who needs enemies.

Here's my take on it:


See, a lot of people think that calling POTUS a "piece of shit used car salesman"

--Does NOT promote a positive atmosphere.

--Does NOT promote 'good discussions.'

--Demonstrates a "pattern of disruptive behavior"--particularly when it's done more than once, "con brio."

--Ruins the website for a large number of visitors (judging by the pushback from competing threads on the subject).

--Seems to OPPOSE the mission of DU.


And last, but most certainly not least;

--Makes DU suck. Once makes it suck a bit. Twice makes it suck to Walt Starr proportions. Rallying minions to cheerlead that kind of suckage? Now, the meter is pegged.

It's not my website, but if it were, I'd get out the Hoover and vacuum up that mess, and empty the bag straight away.


I'm glad I am not the only one who is sick and tired of it.

thefool_wa

(1,867 posts)
173. What's happening here
Fri Mar 28, 2014, 10:56 AM
Mar 2014

Is that people are finally waking up to the fact that there IS NO left and right, there are NOT 2 separate parties, there is ONE group of politicians who do everything in their power to keep us fighting amongst ourselves so we ignore that ALL of them, EVERY LAST GD ONE OF THEM is colluding with the money power in this country to make the rich richer and the poor poorer, and regardless of the small fraction of obamacare that "provides healthcare to millions" (i.e. mandates heathcare under threat of penalty) the law is, and pretty much always has been, about subsidizing the insurance industry by appearing to funnel the money through the citizens. Critical illness will still bankrupt anyone who gets it and nothing really changed about the crippling ACTUAL cost of our healthcare system.

DO not listen to anyone's rhetoric on EITHER side. NONE of them have our best wishes at heart, and all of them would screw us, even those who voted for them, if it puts money in their pocket.

Obama is no different. He got his office on pomp and circumstance and immediately started playing the power money game, all while feeding EVEN MORE into the distraction of divisive politics.

NONE of them are to be trusted, NONE of them have our best interests at heart.

The only reason this SEEMED to not be true from 2001-2008 is that we had a true and very obvious political enemy who was not only killing the country, but waging un-necessary wars that were doing nothing but killing people with zero purpose. Now the veil has been drawn, we can see them ALL for who they are, and so help me god, it will very soon be necessary for some kind of political purge in this country.

Implying that somehow, just because we are on the DU we are REQUIRED to back the president is the same kind of controlling bullshit the right pulled for 8 years under Bush, and it will not stand here.

 

Sen. Walter Sobchak

(8,692 posts)
178. I have never understood why socialist and anarchist disruptors have free reign here
Fri Mar 28, 2014, 12:24 PM
Mar 2014

Their philosophy appears to be that they're prepared to see the Republicans rule for a thousand years just to make a point.

 

Sen. Walter Sobchak

(8,692 posts)
193. have you read the Terms of Service?
Fri Mar 28, 2014, 04:47 PM
Mar 2014

The third bullet point is "Vote for Democrats", the socialists who perceive no difference between Obama and say Augusto Pinochet and the occupiers who just want to fuck shit up don't appear to live up to that.

JohnnyRingo

(18,619 posts)
182. I believe '08 divided DU as well as the rest of the voting public
Fri Mar 28, 2014, 12:48 PM
Mar 2014

Many here had their hearts and souls devoted to a Clinton, Dean, or even Kucinich White House and have been holding Obama up to their standards ever since. Admittedly, two of those three are decidedly more liberal than Obama, but Hillary still enjoys a very rabid following here.

Personally, I was more in the Obama camp back then, but I would have donated and volunteered my time just as faithfully if any other hopeful had become the eventual candidate. Such is my disdain for the GOP.

I'd be happy if Wes Clark or Howard Dean make a good run for 2016, but Clinton is fine too. I'm just afraid republicans will successfully exploit decades of negative imaging on Ms Clinton. Limbaugh can't call Obama what we wants to say, but he'd compare Hillary to the euphemism for a female dog in a second and get away with it. Indeed, A Clinton campaign would likely improve his ratings by double digits.

K&R to you for the outrage of the outrage.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,223 posts)
183. It's no accident, and it's well coordinated. You're supposed to feel exactly the way you're feeling.
Fri Mar 28, 2014, 01:00 PM
Mar 2014

They wouldn't be doing their jobs properly if you felt otherwise. There are couple of sites that direct their members here to do exactly what you describe in your o.p.

As stated above, Markos doesn't tolerate it, and hasn't lost a thing by actually enforcing his TOS. If the rules were enforced, I think Admin might find that any possible losses would make it safe for a lot of folks like yourself to return, and actually work on the stated mission of this board:

Vote for Democrats.

Winning elections is important — therefore, advocating in favor of Republican nominees or in favor of third-party spoiler candidates that could split the vote and throw an election to our conservative opponents is never permitted on Democratic Underground. But that does not mean that DU members are required to always be completely supportive of Democrats. During the ups-and-downs of politics and policy-making, it is perfectly normal to have mixed feelings about the Democratic officials we worked hard to help elect. When we are not in the heat of election season, members are permitted to post strong criticism or disappointment with our Democratic elected officials, or to express ambivalence about voting for them. In Democratic primaries, members may support whomever they choose. But when general election season begins, DU members must support Democratic nominees (EXCEPT in rare cases where were a non-Democrat is most likely to defeat the conservative alternative, or where there is no possibility of splitting the liberal vote and inadvertently throwing the election to the conservative alternative). For presidential contests, election season begins when both major-party nominees become clear. For non-presidential contests, election season begins on Labor Day. Everyone here on DU needs to work together to elect more Democrats and fewer Republicans to all levels of American government. If you are bashing, trashing, undermining, or depressing turnout for our candidates during election season, we'll assume you are rooting for the other side.


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