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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIf referring to President Obama as a "used car salesman" is EXPECTED of a RW racist...
Then why have we never seen "used car salesman" on a Tea Party sign? I mean, that's where the RW racist crazies are. Living in Georgia, I've encountered plenty of right wing racists. Never heard the term "used car salesman" out of any of them. They were too busy using much more, shall we say, well-established racist words/terms. Therefore, it's not reasonable to expect a right-wing racist to use that term. It can only follow that this is an attempt to infer racism where none may actually exist.
Personally, I don't like the idea of Democrats calling President Obama names of any kind, including "used car salesman." It's just as easy to say, "I feel deeply betrayed and misled by the President." That said, it's silly to imply that it's racist when it's not. It detracts from and weakens alerts regarding actual racism, and it closes any effective dialogue just as thoroughly as the initial name-calling. Neither side of this argument looks particularly intelligent or reasonable.
Remember the old, old video game "Pong"? DU is beginning to look like one big game of Stupid Pong, where stupid stuff gets batted back and forth over and over and over. I used to come on here and click on 90% of the posts, and ignore 10%. That ratio is roughly reversed now. Grow up, people.
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Drunken Irishman
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Cha
(296,678 posts)thread.. they're giving her grief about used car salesman being rw racist enough.
The full blown "used car fucking hateon" has an ugly con site jerking off..
http://gopthedailydose.com/2014/03/21/leftwing-editor-turns-angrily-obamacare-calls-obama-piece-sht-used-car-salesman/
G_j
(40,366 posts)please remove the link
Cha
(296,678 posts)G_j
(40,366 posts)Linking to RW sites is not cool. It never has been.
Cha
(296,678 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)Cha
(296,678 posts)part well.
don't like what you see, eh?
well neither do many of us and we don't want to see that Shit Here spoken by a 'democrat' who abuses his so called lofty station here on DU. It's here and people are applauding it.
it has never been good form to directly link to RW sites. You can quote them all you want. But since you think a statement from one individual poster is worth making DU suck more....
Whisp
(24,096 posts)and it's down hill roll since 2008.
When the Democratic President can be called a piece of shit used car salesman, Fuck You, (and there are no Unrecs allowed to show the Other side - The '300' would not have won that one.) is Cheered, ffs, but if one says that Christie is fat you get moanings and tears and locks.
I know you will find a huge difference that I and many others see. Let me see what you come up with.
G_j
(40,366 posts)wtf you are rambling about, but of course that doesn't really matter as you quoted the quote, that nobody is aware of because is has only put requoted about a trillion times. Maybe somebody missed it.
Whisp
(24,096 posts)I will type this again, but slowly this time:
Comments about Chris Cristy being fat get a lot of howls, and some locks here on DU. There is absolutely no doubt he is fat.
But calling the President a PIECE OF SHIT USED CAR SALEMAN, FUCK YOU is protected. There is very much doubt by millions of people that the President is this.
G_j
(40,366 posts)does it every time.
Why are you telling me about Cristy jokes? I simply have stated that direct links to RW sites is not really
apppropriate. Nobody has addressed my point at all, but of course, I'm the one redirecting. Nevermind, obviously it is going to keep happening.
carry on...
Whisp
(24,096 posts)
Bernardo de La Paz
(48,925 posts)
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)
lumpy
(13,704 posts)Instead of the person who didn't. Dodododododododododododo.
Number23
(24,544 posts)That's from one of the comments there.
Really sucks when you wake up doesn't it Cinderella?
They are loving Will Pitt's piece. And when I say loving it I mean I think some of them have printed the damn thing out and are actually sleeping with it.
And yet, there is a thread sitting on the top of the Greatest Page of THIS web site that purports to support the Democratic Party saying what a "Great DUer" the person that wrote that idiotic piece of bullshit is. And he is spamming GD with other threads continuing his insults against the president.
I think right now, this is the worse this place has ever been. Ever. And that is saying alot considering how much non-stop garbage has been catapulted at Obama, the Dems and the U.S. from this forum.
Cha
(296,678 posts)hear another fucking word about Pres Obama's supporters and their "cult of personality".. Not when they're so freaking entrenched at the altar..
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024738811
840high
(17,196 posts)Cha
(296,678 posts)The full blown "used car fucking hateon" has an ugly con site jerking off..
http://gopthedailydose.com/2014/03/21/leftwing-editor-turns-angrily-obamacare-calls-obama-piece-sht-used-car-salesman/
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4740460
Bobbie Jo
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SunsetDreams
(8,571 posts)There is no there, there.
Hekate
(90,495 posts)
freshwest
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ProSense
(116,464 posts)GaYellowDawg
(4,446 posts)But I do see tracks to RW sites from the other ones, so OK, it's been used before. I still don't think, though, that "used car salesman" is a racial epithet. Never heard it or seen it before it cropped up here, and I've lived in the South my whole life.
It also doesn't change my original assertion or belief that DU has in many ways become its own echo chamber of stupidity.
Cha
(296,678 posts)
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)A couple of examples:
And Bush, he was called that often, another example eg
George W Bush Used Car Salesman of the Year
Clinton too was often referred to as a used car salesman.
And Romney.
Hillary has been asked to 'stay home and try to sell some of these gas guzzlers' among others.
It's obviously NOT racist, the OP is correct, but hey, DU has gone totally beserk so why not take an old and over used 'insult' aimed at politicians and declare it racist, in order to try to 'get' someone you don't like?
Btw, that too is an old political ploy. It's completely dishonest of course, but as we all have learned for some, politics is a blood sport rather than a way to try to make this a better country.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)that made it show up so much. And the one call out thread that misquoted it (and took it out of context while the OP pretended to be so fair and balanced) to change "president" to "Obama" that actually made the phrase include Obama.
They could have just let it lie but no, they made a huge stink about it ALL OVER DU FOR OVER A WEEK and now they complain that people picked up on it.
Kind of like when people complain that the govt doesn't work and then they proceed to break it so it doesn't work and say "see?".
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)Imagine caring more about an old political phrase used to describe politicans, than about the over one million human beings who were killed in one of the worst crimes committed by people in power in this country in most people's living memory.
Maybe that's Racist, no? After all our entire foreign policy re the countries we destroy are populated by non-white people and therefore are easily dismissed.
To be honest the whole thing is disgusting. The ploys used to attack good Democrats, the lack of outrage over that massive crime against innocent people.
And yes, it IS racist to care so little about people who are not white.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)to the Iraq War and also one saying we made it right because we got out and got Bush out of office. The Iraq War was built on a lie - even to the UN - and we neither made it right - how many lives have been lost/ruined over that war? - nor got Bush out of office - he got re-elected and could not run for a third term.
And yet defending Obama now means defending/justifying the Iraq War. Incredible.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)Justice for the victims is a 'purity test' by people who do not 'belong to the reality based community' and who are nothing more than 'concern trolls' who are 'poitically naive' indulging in CTs because of their 'extremist views' on torture and slaughter.
All the talking points bought and paid by the Third Way against the Left have been pulled out of their little bag once again and aimed at Democrats who refuse to pretend that all this talk of dead people, (beating a dead horse I was told right here on DU) is 'irrelevant', also told that on DU this week.
I'm not sure what the goal is, there must be something coming up they know the inconvenient voices on the Left are going to be outraged by as if there isn't enough already.
And that's another talking point from the 'talking point' bag of tricks, 'faux outrage' is now what wanting War Criminals held accountable, means.
But it's instructive, I suppose we needed to see the WHOLE picture and we certainly are getting a clear view over that past year or so.
Puzzledtraveller
(5,937 posts)Because you could insert any other Dem president in the oval office and there would have been little if any outrage by the recent use of the term used to describe him by rightfully upset individuals who put principle before party.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)..repeating it over and over, I expect from a fucking bagger. Why would anyone use bagger speak when they know full well how homophobic and racists baggers can be?
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)politician going back to when used car salesmen first made their appearance. It's another one of those generalizations against a group of people who have been labeled as sleazy, cheating scammers. The truth is that most used car salesmen are nothing of the kind.
For Liberals, who oppose generalizations of all kinds, to accept that label on all those who work for a living selling used cars, and who mostly do not SCAM anyone, it is pretty reprehensible to see it accepted as a fact.
Is it racist, absolutely not, it is an equal opportunity smear on USED CAR SALESMEN. I have bought used cars from several used car salesmen and not one of them fit the stereotype you so willingly accept.
I have come to agree with those who believe this forum is not longer what it used to be.
It was never racist, but it was a despicable example of a nasty generalization of ordinary working class people.
I do not accept your opinion, it has zero basis in fact.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)that you want to, across the board, apply the same standards of conduct TO baggers, progressives, republicans and Dems is unrealistic...and actaully quite hypocritical.
You complain about the despicableness of from those that point out that racist speak comes from baggers? You credibility is in the toilet.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)I hope you are aware of that. Democratic forums do not defend Republican crimes, like the Iraq War, or the lies about SS. Nor do they defend the Privatization of the Public School System.
Yet I am seeing more and more defenses of Republican policies on DU every day.
Maybe someone needs to clarify this disturbing trend. If I wanted to see defenses of the worst of Republican policies, I would not be on a Democratic forum where I expect to see vigorous defense of Democratic principles.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)As is your wont...take something out of context and pretend anything you want. The use of the term, has been made clear. There is non so blind as those that will not see. I n your case, willfully choses not to see. Choosing to talk like a bagger will likely be labeled as such. Do you deny that baggers come across as bigots?
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)And yes, the use of the term HAS been made clear. Hopefully you will accept that fact.
You seem to be very impressed with what 'baggers' are up to. They are irrelevant and will disappear from politics simply because of their stupidity and extremism like all other extremists have in the past. Why YOU are so impressed them is beyond me.
I focus on who we need running this country and what the American overwhelmingly support, which happily turns out to be Democratic Policies.
You go right on focusing on baggers and right wingers if that is what you want to do, I will focus on good Democrats who need our support to win elections and then work to implement Democratic Policies and to fight to protect Democratic policies which is what people across the political spectrum want. The ramblings of extremists only HELPS Democrats.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)you and your ilk ignore them at your peril. they will spread like a cancer unless dealt with and exorcised. Behaving like them doesn't make them go away.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)Have you looked at the polls on these extremists lately?
You go right on 'fighting them' and the ghosts you seem to be finding here on DU who 'act like them'.
Btw, could you post some links to those here who are 'acting like them'?
My way of fighting morons is to elect FIGHTERS to Congress who will run them over and throw them into the gutter of politics where they belong.
Can't do that, can we, if we GIVE IN TO THEM on issues the AMERICAN PEOPLE WANT!
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)...Nate Silver?
Ignoring Rw and baggers is dangerous, as is splitting the Dem votes and fostering an attitude that everyone should vote for an extreme ideology that cannot win...A majority of the county is Moderate...that is a poll you should be looking at.
Efilroft Sul
(3,578 posts)Last edited Sun Mar 30, 2014, 07:44 AM - Edit history (2)
These are the polls you should be looking at:
A Majority of Americans Support Social Security and Medicare, Not Austerity.
http://www.ncpssm.org/EntitledtoKnow/entryid/1953/Americans-Don-t-Support-Cutting-Social-Security-Medicare-for-Deficit-Reduction-Even-Wall-Street-backed-Third-Way-Agrees
• Voters strongly oppose cutting Social Security benefits with 71% opposed to means-testing and 67% opposed to raising the retirement age
• 64% strongly oppose cutting Medicare benefits for future retirees and 59% oppose cutting payments to Medicare providers want voters support two Social Security and Medicare reforms by overwhelming margins:
Our poll also shows Americans support two Medicare and Social Security reforms by wide margins:
On Social Security, voters across party lines support lifting the cap on wages above the current level of $110,100. We know from focus groups that voters see this cap as an unfair loophole that they did not even know existed. Sixty-five (65) percent of voters favor gradually lifting this cap for both employees and employers, including 75 percent of Democrats, 63 percent of Independents, and 54 percent of Republicans.
On Medicare, overwhelming bi-partisan majorities support allowing Medicare to negotiate with drug companies to bring down the cost of prescription drugs. Eighty-six (86) percent of voters favor this, including 77 percent who strongly favor it. By party, 91 percent of Democrats favor allowing Medicare to negotiate with drug companies (81 percent strongly favor), as do 85 percent of Independents (75 percent strongly favor), and 81 percent of Republicans (75 percent strongly favor).
Lastly, our poll shows that 85% of those surveyed say Social Security and Medicare were important factors in casting their 2012 vote.
Ultimately, that is what makes Washington’s fiscal hawks and Wall Street backed groups like the Third Way nervous. Because even their own polls, no matter how they’re twisted and spun, show the American people do not support cutting Social Security and Medicare as part of this deficit debate.
Protect retirement, reject austerity: That's one winning liberal idea.
A Majority of Americans Support Reining in Wall Street.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/18/americans-support-dodd-frank_n_1684004.html
Americans appear to support government efforts to rein in Wall Street by an unambiguous margin, according to a survey released Wednesday by Lake Research Partners, a progressive polling institution led by Democratic Party strategist Celinda Lake.
Nearly three-quarters of those polled said they approved of the Dodd-Frank financial regulatory act that went on the books in 2010. And two-thirds of respondents said the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, a federal agency created to safeguard the financial rights of ordinary Americans, is "needed."
Seventy-three percent of people in the Lake Research poll said they supported Dodd-Frank, and the act appears to be popular among Democrats, Republicans and Independents, according to the pollsters. The proponents of Dodd-Frank outnumbered the detractors in all three categories.
The same share of respondents, 73 percent, said they favored tougher enforcement for Wall Street financial institutions. Sixty percent of respondents said the government should have more oversight of Wall Street, not less. And majorities of all political stripes agreed that the CFPB should be able to police consumer lenders.
Bring the bankers to justice: That's two winning liberal ideas.
A Majority of Americans Reject Right-Wing View toward Undocumented Immigrants.
http://nbclatino.com/2013/04/11/nbcwsj-poll-strong-majority-backs-citizenship-for-undocumented-immigrants/
With a bipartisan group of senators expected to unveil immigration reform legislation in the next few days, a brand-new NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll finds that nearly two-thirds of Americans – including eight in 10 Latinos – support giving undocumented immigrants a path to citizenship.
A slight majority of Republican respondents oppose this path, possibly foreshadowing the resistance which any comprehensive immigration reform bill might receive, especially in the GOP controlled House of Representatives. But when Republicans hear that a path to citizenship for undocumented immigrants includes paying fines and back taxes, almost three-quarters of them support the idea.
What’s more, a majority of the public – for the first time in the poll – agrees with the statement that immigration strengthens the nation, reflecting a shift in attitude on this issue.
Declare E Pluribus Unum: That's three winning liberal ideas.
A Majority of Americans Support Medicare for All.
http://www.healthcare-now.org/another-poll-shows-majority-support-for-single-payer
A New York Times/CBS News poll released last week shows, yet again, that the majority of Americans support national health insurance.
The poll, which compares answers to the same questions from 30 years ago, finds that, “59% [of Americans] say the government should provide national health insurance, including 49% who say such insurance should cover all medical problems.”
Demand that health care is a right: That's four winning liberal ideas.
A Majority of Americans Support Legalized Gay Marriage.
http://news.yahoo.com/poll-finds-broad-rapid-shift-among-americans-toward-204849830.html;_ylt=AwrBTz1jhDdTdF0A49tXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTB0ZWxxbDA5BHNlYwNzYwRjb2xvA2JmMQR2dGlkA1ZJUDM1OF8x
The United States is in the midst of a broad and rapid change in attitudes about gay marriage, with 55 percent now favoring full recognition of same-sex marriage and 40 percent opposed, according to a national survey released on Thursday.
The poll, conducted for a gay rights organization, found that support for same-sex marriage is highest among young adults, with 75 percent approval among those ages 18 to 29. Among that group, 58 percent said they are strongly in favor, compared with 13 percent of 18- to 29-year-olds identified as strongly opposed.
Support equal rights for all: That's five winning liberal ideas.
A Majority of Americans Support Raising the Minimum Wage and Extending Unemployment Benefits.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/01/23/pew-poll-obama-wealth-gap-sotu/4777385/
Indeed, at a time when Republicans and Democrats disagree about almost everything, on this there is virtually no partisan gap: 61% of Republicans, 68% of Democrats and 67% of independents think economic inequality has been growing in the United States over the past decade.
They're right. While widening wealth disparities are a concern around the globe, the United States has scored one of the most dramatic increases anywhere. The share of income going to the wealthiest 1% of Americans has doubled from less than 10% in 1980 to nearly 20% now. In a speech last month, Obama warned that increased inequality and decreasing mobility "pose a fundamental threat to the American dream, our way of life and what we stand for around the globe."
"The basic bargain at the heart of our economy has frayed," he said at a community center in Anacostia, one of the capital's poorest neighborhoods.
Under such circumstances, it's no surprise that the poll found overwhelming support for extending federal benefits for the long-term unemployed — 63% are in favor of that idea — and for raising the minimum wage from $7.25 an hour to $10.10; 73% support that. Both proposals are stalled in Congress.
Take income inequality head on: That's six winning liberal ideas.
A Majority of Americans Are Now against Foreign Interventions.
http://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/europe/item/17893-polls-americans-repeatedly-say-no-to-us-intervention-in-ukraine
In polls taken over the past few weeks by a number of opinion survey and news organizations, the American people have sent a remarkably unified message to President Obama and the U.S. Congress: “Stay out of Ukraine!”
Despite being peppered with a constant onslaught of dramatic news video footage from Kiev and the Crimea, as well as a visit to the Obama White House by Ukrainian Prime Minister Arseny Yatseniuk, and the usual stable of policy “experts” from the Brookings Institution and the Council on Foreign Relations advocating more “robust” U.S. intervention, Americans across the political spectrum remain opposed to still another foreign venture.
A Pew Research Center poll reported on March 11 that in a national survey of over 1,000 adults, Americans, by a nearly two-to-one margin (56 percent vs. 29 percent), say it is more important for the United States to “not get too involved” in the situation with Russia and Ukraine than to “take a firm stand against Russian actions.” The breakdown along party lines, for those expressing opposition to greater involvement was Republicans, 50 percent; Democrats, 55 percent; Independents, 62 percent.
Stay out of war: That's seven winning liberal ideas.
A Majority of Americans Oppose NSA Surveillance Methods.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2014/01/20/poll-nsa-surveillance/4638551/
WASHINGTON -- Most Americans now disapprove of the NSA's sweeping collection of phone metadata, a new USA TODAY/Pew Research Center Poll finds, and they're inclined to think there aren't adequate limits in place to what the government can collect.
By nearly 3-1, 70%-26%, Americans say they shouldn't have to give up privacy and freedom in order to be safe from terrorism.
Attitudes toward the surveillance program have turned more negative since last June and July, when the Snowden revelations were new. In polls in June and July 2013, more Americans approved of the program than disapproved. Now, by 53%-40%, a majority disapproves.
Tell Big Brother to quit watching innocent people: That's eight winning liberal ideas.
That's no less than eight polls showing how the majority of the American public sides with winning liberal ideas. But you go right on ahead and call liberalism an extreme ideology.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)Our current President has talked about all of those.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)Is it to show it was around before WP used that term or that WP spawned all of those?
Or are you trying to illustrate that "used car salesman" is in fact a RW racist term? How does that show it is either?
Cha
(296,678 posts)have a Lot in common.
greatauntoftriplets
(175,727 posts)
Progressive dog
(6,898 posts)Now I know where calling this president a used car salesman is exactly something RW racists not only would do but have done.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)used car salesmen is as old as there have been used car salesmen. Instruct us if you can on how calling Nixon a used car salesman is 'racist' eg.
Progressive dog
(6,898 posts)white males before this one.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)regardless of race, because yes, we have had African American politicians for several decades now, suddenly become 'racist'?
It doesn't, it's ridiculous, and astounding that anyone would do anything other than realize what the goal is here. Which is reprehensible. To use such serious issues as racism to score political points, also an old political tactic, is disgusting and damaging to the very serious issue itself.
Whisp
(24,096 posts)now give me a moment to count how many there have been...
<--------not big enough for this one!sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)Any word used to criticize any president or politician or any public figure, no matter what their race may be, let's say 'you're a poopy head' eg, suddenly becomes racist when, well, WHEN do all the words in the English language become racist again?
Here let me answer for you.
When someone has an agenda, such as they are angry at someone and are desperately seeking ways to distract from what they are saying, SCREAM 'Racist' and presumably that will be the end of them.
Unfortunately too many people are far too aware of this despicable tactic to give it any credibility at all.
The actual TOPIC that this is supposed to derail was how this President attempted to defend the Iraq War. And no amount of vitriol and histrionics has managed to drown that out.
Generic Other
(28,979 posts)It was about my son who I felt was less ethical after taking the job:
The used car salesman
shines the hood and checks his smile
in the reflection.
It was not racist. It was about using "sales" tactics to sell an inferior product.
Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts)1. A racist right-winger who hates President Obama
may be found using descriptive phrases to describe him,
such as: "piece of shit used car salesman"
2. "Used car salesman" is not racist.
"Piece of shit" is not racist.
But if a rw racist is using those words, to describe Obama,
he sounds exactly like a rw racist. (Because he is.)
3. If Will Pitt uses those words, he too sounds like
a rw racist. (even if he isn't.)
frazzled
(18,402 posts)He called him "a piece of sh*t used car salesman."
That really makes a big difference, so let's be clear about what precisely was said.
LittleBlue
(10,362 posts)
It isn't racist
Marr
(20,317 posts)And certainly not racist. People who claim otherwise are actually undermining real complaints of racism, but I'm sure they don't care if it's politically convenient.
Kind of reminds me of all the homophobic, "fabulous pink pony" and "Gigi" talk we heard from the same crowd before gay marriage became a viable political issue. When Obama wasn't for it, they'd use all sorts of homophobic language and arguments. The second he was officially for it, they became 'the gays' best pals'.
Their words are meaningless. They're just... well, sort of like use car salesmen.
napkinz
(17,199 posts)
Auntie Bush
(17,528 posts)People who talk/think like that should be ashamed of themselves.
ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)Point made.
Number23
(24,544 posts)Cha
(296,678 posts)"The Great DUer" not being in the same category whatsoever as a rw racist.
http://gopthedailydose.com/2014/03/21/leftwing-editor-turns-angrily-obamacare-calls-obama-piece-sht-used-car-salesman/
Brought to you by "all the right snark" and The Great duer"..
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Cha
(296,678 posts)Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)used car salesmen are white guys in bad suits.
Puzzledtraveller
(5,937 posts)
ProSense
(116,464 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)Bush the lesser?
No, it is not racist, but there must be real desperation to even try to pull that off. It is disrespectful to call ANYONE names, but when nearly all presidents have been described as used car salesmen for decades, to try to apply the racist label to it, is just plain ridiculous. And as the OP says, truly diminishes the real serious issue of actual racism.
truebrit71
(20,805 posts)I have been asking you this for two days now. You can either own it 100% as the personal attack we all know it is, or you can continue to dodge and weave. Your call.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)They just know that if they scream the word loudly enough, they can change the subject with it.
Demo_Chris
(6,234 posts)Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)NoOneMan
(4,795 posts) Whisp
(24,096 posts)How convenient you, and others leave that teeny bit out.
Piece of Shit is Exactly what T-baggers call the President - and Worse! and Fuck You (to the p.o.s salesman) as a signature to an offensive salutation is very much in their vernacular.
It's ridiculous that this kind of thing is being defended here.
Andy823
(11,495 posts)Seems like this happens a lot around here. People who constantly post BS about the president seem to find "selective editing" to be their best friend. I guess you don't get as many recs from their angry followers if you actually post the entire content of what they "claim" are the facts. 
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)probably every single politician since the beginning of time, racist?
Lol, then just do a google search on what Dems called Bush, Romney, Boehner, et al. Santorum? Ever see the 'racist' epithets aimed at him from Dems?
If you say so! So let's stop calling Republicans Pieces of Shit.
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Whisp
(24,096 posts)jesus cripes on a trailer hitch, you are one of those that think Democratic Underground shouldn't be partisan?
aquart
(69,014 posts)Let's work on more original, witty, and effective epithets, shall we?
For instance, I use "treasure-sucking parasites" when referring to the uberrich. It counters the patently false "job creators" and turns "makers" back into the "takers" they are. Are they still POS? Of course. But that term is so generic as to be meaningless. Work on epithets that reframe the dialog (and can be used when talking to your mother or children).
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truebrit71
(20,805 posts)...and, not surprisingly, neither has ProNon$ense who wrote the offensive OP that started this shit-storm...
Whisp
(24,096 posts)ok, whatever you want to believe, can't really help you there.
truebrit71
(20,805 posts)...and that phrase isn't racist either....
So, again, please point out which part of that phrase is racist?
I'll wait.
Whisp
(24,096 posts)so if someone talks similarly, well... if the foo shits.
That isn't an accusation so much but a possibility that the poster isn't even realizing he is carrying water for the likes of filthy baggers like Nugent by using filthy bagger language. I don't see interpreting it this way as 'wrong', it is possible Pitt jsut doesnt' know any better that he is messaging for Nugent. And that is sad - no, it's disgusting beyond measure.
truebrit71
(20,805 posts)Just answer the question...
So if I just happen to use the same turn of phrase as Ted Nugent I am automatically a gun-loving racist fuck-wit? What a pile of bullshit.
ANSWER THE QUESTION.
Whisp
(24,096 posts)you are pretending there is no history, and it's just the 'used car salesman' you demand to talk about - like the original shit never even happened, the original shit from which all the new shit is derived from.
no wonder.........
truebrit71
(20,805 posts)..but you go on ahead and keep running away from a statement you backed fully but now can't defend...
Wankers behave like that...I'm not suggesting however that you are a wanker, just that wankers typically act the way you do..
Whisp
(24,096 posts)I believe it can now be defined as:
The time between Pitt making his original outrageous post to the time where his followers get embarassed enough as to pretend it didn't exist to begin with.
I could check back and see when exactly Pitt first called the President a Piece of Shit Used Car Salesman, and have it verified to almost the exact hour.
Now this is Progress! It's been years of mystery.
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Whisp
(24,096 posts)and I sure see you for who You are.
btw, I don't do Clintonesque anything. So I guess you don't really see me for who I am after all.
truebrit71
(20,805 posts)But you have made it abundantly clear you have no intention of backing up a clearly specious statement...
Whisp
(24,096 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)it's not racist.
GiveMeMorePIE
(54 posts)On the left, people should go out of their way to not mimic what the right is saying about the President.
If they can't voice opposition in an articulate way that doesn't raise suspicion, then that is on them.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)salesman' racist, or referring to Santorum as 'man on dog' or calling Ron Paul a 'piece of shit' is racist, but because it serves no purpose.
Far worse to call them, ON, are their policies. I don't call people names, never needed to, just 'tell them truth' which is far more effective.
But to try to attach the 'racist' label to name-calling that is as old as the hills, is just plain ridiculous and racist in itself imho. .
cui bono
(19,926 posts)It just makes the other person think you are biased already and are never going to change your mind. If I were talking to someone who did that against a Dem I would figure they were too far gone to change their mind. Once in a while I slip, and I do use BushCo, but that seems pretty accurate and is not necessarily derogatory.
I also try to never use any name calling on here either, even if I am accused of ODS, being a hater, etc. Better to just stick to the issue and if that's all they got then it's pretty clear they can't refute the argument.
I do make an exception with Faux News. But I think for the most part I've stopped with the others.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Or Carter, or Reagan, or Bush Senior, or Clinton, or Bush Junior?
I know, they are all white...yup, that's the ticket!!!
Oy
GiveMeMorePIE
(54 posts)If a large number of people thought I were being racist, I would pause for a period of self-reflection and ensure that the actions spawning those feelings never happened again. That's the responsible thing to do.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)It's been used in American politics before I was born, and before the President was born. It is that old.
So it did not suddenly become racist.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Used car salesman has been used to describe pols since I remember. Nixon was called that, and worst. Reagan, ditto. Carter, you betcha. Clinton, yup, both Bushes were called that way too. Hell, a few of my locals are called that way from time to time.
This is really a faux outrage from the usual crowd that prefers if the left shuts up, but continues to vote.
We are both not needed, and gosh darn it, why didn't you guys vote? (We did). Pick a lane...you can't really have both and be taken in any way seriously.
It is not racist, or RW. It is the common trade of editorial writers when dealing with pols. And in a few cases it is very much accurate. Daryll Issa is for real a used car salesman. That is how partially he made his millions
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)to get their hate on...
Then you have seriously fucked up somewhere along the way.
sendero
(28,552 posts)... I'm tired of "used car salesman" being the gold standard for dishonest businessman. Anyone that knows shit knows that building contractors make car salesman look like boy scouts.
Whisp
(24,096 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)But it does not roll off the tongue that well.
BuelahWitch
(9,083 posts)Everyone has seen advertisements featuring used car salesmen (or parodies of their ads). Not so much business contractors.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)I live in a relatively moderate area of Texas(D/FW area) and never quite heard anything of the truly hateful nature myself, but I wouldn't doubt for a second that our local Teabaggers probably do have a lot of much nastier things to say about our President than a "POS used car salesman". How about "commie Marxist secret Mooslum" for example? 
So yeah, honestly, the claims & insinuations of racism pertaining to Will Pitt are more than a bit overblown, TBH. But then again, this is quite true in regards DU *in general* as well. Contrary to what a certain few may believe, racism is *not* a significant problem on this site. Never has been. And when it does happen, it gets shot down quickly, and the culprit tombstoned by Skinner or the MIRT team.
bobduca
(1,763 posts)and it landed on Smear by Association: Racism. And so she went with it.
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mokawanis
(4,435 posts)than anything he said. A couple of DU'ers in particular have been really nasty, and juvenile, with their attacks.
blahdeblahblahblah
(5 posts)If you want to make an issue out of whether or not the words or terms used in one instance are technically racist, or whether that specific attack can be expected of a right wing racist, go ahead but I don't know why you'd bother. It's a complete waste of time. The point you are trying to make is about as sharp as a bowling ball.
Someone calling the President a used car salesman may or may not be a racist. If it's coming from a right winger then it's probably coming from a racist. If it's coming from a left winger then it may or may not be coming from a racist.
Of course I expect right wing racists to say things like this about the President.
And?
