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Archae

(46,318 posts)
Mon Mar 31, 2014, 08:00 PM Mar 2014

I remember a debate between Andrea Dworkin, and a porn actress.

It was on one of those "one-on-one" interview shows, back in the 1980's.

I can't remember the host, or who the porn actress was.

But I did notice, the porn actress was in a good mood, laughing, joking around, someone I wouldn't mind talking to.

Dworkin on the other hand, was judgmental, condescending, and simply nasty.
In fact one thing Dworkin said, she said that she admired Iran and Saudi Arabia for what they do to makers of porn.

While it looks like the "All sex is rape" meme from Dworkin was exaggerated, at best, most of what else Dworkin said and advocated showed just how nasty she was.

Remember Ed Meese and his "Anti-porn crusade?"
Dworkin supported it.

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I remember a debate between Andrea Dworkin, and a porn actress. (Original Post) Archae Mar 2014 OP
Why do you need to start multiple threads on Dworkin? Bjorn Against Mar 2014 #1
Why do people keep talking about Plato? AngryAmish Mar 2014 #36
"People" aren't lying about Plato in OPs and then starting another OP to smear him. nt cui bono Mar 2014 #39
amen. talk to it. AngryAmish Mar 2014 #42
So in other words Heddi Mar 2014 #2
I do remember some *OF* the debate. Archae Mar 2014 #5
Those aren't her quotes from the debate you're talking about though Heddi Mar 2014 #48
your first post was proven a lie. now you feel the need to diss the woman off memory and 3 decades seabeyond Mar 2014 #3
Archie, why don't you stop beating around the bush and tell us exactly how you feel about Sheldon Cooper Mar 2014 #4
who the fug cares how he feels about dworkin. it is the lies, that brings poster out to challenge. seabeyond Mar 2014 #6
*hint* Sheldon Cooper Mar 2014 #9
*gasp* seabeyond Mar 2014 #18
I think of her the same way I think of Phyllis Schlafly. Archae Mar 2014 #7
Well Archie, that could be taken two different ways. Sheldon Cooper Mar 2014 #10
Who cares? She's been dead for years Codeine Mar 2014 #8
Two words: Archae Mar 2014 #11
So your logic is gollygee Mar 2014 #20
Three words: cui bono Mar 2014 #21
Not this past Sunday, the Sunday before on "60 Minutes..." Archae Mar 2014 #25
Do you deny that systemic racism exists? Gravitycollapse Mar 2014 #27
Oh, dear goodness, talk about getting it all bass ackwards Tansy_Gold Mar 2014 #33
You saying one burglary gang equals a culture is not at all what rape culture is about. cui bono Mar 2014 #34
who the fuck said it was not the rapists fault. that has nothing to do with rape culture. ONE post seabeyond Mar 2014 #38
That's one of the more painfully stupid things I've read here. Spider Jerusalem Mar 2014 #57
So... Let me get this right... Ohio Joe Mar 2014 #28
I'll be the first, then, to suggest that we at least read her work. It is worth investigation. Gravitycollapse Mar 2014 #14
Fine, you can read it here... Archae Mar 2014 #32
I don't need to read it there. I've read her books and essays and know what she actually believes. Gravitycollapse Mar 2014 #45
Well, this is from Wiki... rrneck Mar 2014 #22
Have you ever actually read any academic work by Dworkin? Gravitycollapse Mar 2014 #12
What mood they were in matters? treestar Mar 2014 #13
Andrea Dworkin - The Saul Alinsky of the Men's Group.nt sufrommich Mar 2014 #15
That about sums it up, doesn't it? nt Codeine Mar 2014 #19
Scouring the internet for sufrommich Apr 2014 #62
So gollygee Mar 2014 #16
Yes, a porn actress would be better to visit than a radical feminist. Archae Mar 2014 #29
The person I most dislike being around at family gatherings gollygee Mar 2014 #31
In other words, a radical. Archae Mar 2014 #35
I do not understand why we are having Texasgal Mar 2014 #17
Exactly. Codeine Mar 2014 #23
She was undoubtedly brilliant rumdude Mar 2014 #24
Feminists are bad, porn stars are good, mmmkay? cui bono Mar 2014 #26
porn stars are good but for the stds... meh seabeyond Mar 2014 #40
I'll conceed that she never said "all sex is rape" bluestateguy Mar 2014 #30
jury results newcriminal Mar 2014 #37
I never heard of her prior to your posts etherealtruth Mar 2014 #41
Ancient proverb : When one finds himself in a hole, perhaps it is wise bullwinkle428 Mar 2014 #43
Kind of like people's wanting to have a beer with Dubya. WinkyDink Mar 2014 #44
so is this subject replacing the woo obsession? Skittles Mar 2014 #46
Nah CFLDem Mar 2014 #49
Archae voted for Reagan Skittles Mar 2014 #50
He did? CFLDem Mar 2014 #51
I was in my early 20's. Archae Apr 2014 #59
Let it. laundry_queen Mar 2014 #52
aw you know us cranky old be-yatches, we're not FUN like porn stars! Skittles Mar 2014 #53
I think Archie's Woo Week is scheduled for April 16-22. Sheldon Cooper Mar 2014 #55
looks like he is off-schedule Skittles Apr 2014 #65
Yes, but does Pepperidge Farm remember? Scootaloo Mar 2014 #47
Yes.. very odd. Texasgal Mar 2014 #54
I suspect mercuryblues Mar 2014 #56
Here's another thread you should be sure to weigh in on: Sheldon Cooper Mar 2014 #58
Hmm...you sound sadz for some reason Archae. Rex Apr 2014 #60
I wouldn't be surprised, TBH. AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #61
Don't remember the host. Don't remember the porn star. NCTraveler Apr 2014 #63
This message was self-deleted by its author LanternWaste Apr 2014 #64

Bjorn Against

(12,041 posts)
1. Why do you need to start multiple threads on Dworkin?
Mon Mar 31, 2014, 08:06 PM
Mar 2014

She has been dead for several years now, I am totally puzzled as to the reason she is suddenly the topic of discussion. Can't people move on from disagreements they had with a feminist years ago?

 

AngryAmish

(25,704 posts)
36. Why do people keep talking about Plato?
Mon Mar 31, 2014, 08:51 PM
Mar 2014

Andrea Dworkin was an amazing woman, intellectual and philosopher. She will be remembered long after Every cis het male around here has turned into soil.

Heddi

(18,312 posts)
2. So in other words
Mon Mar 31, 2014, 08:07 PM
Mar 2014

"I don't remember anything about the debate, when it was shown, what show it was on, who the host was, who the porn star was, but I remember every single thing about Dworkin."

Ah, the infallibility of memories

Archae

(46,318 posts)
5. I do remember some *OF* the debate.
Mon Mar 31, 2014, 08:24 PM
Mar 2014

How good would your memory be of a TV show you saw 30 years ago?

The main thing I remember was the porn actress was nice, and didn't get all huffy like Dworkin did.

Here are some of Dworkin's quotes...

A commitment to sexual equality with males is a commitment to becoming the rich instead of the poor, the rapist instead of the raped, the murderer instead of the murdered.

Andrea Dworkin

Marriage as an institution developed from rape as a practice. Rape, originally defined as abduction, became marriage by capture. Marriage meant the taking was to extend in time, to be not only use of but possession of, or ownership.

Andrea Dworkin

You think intercourse is a private act; it's not, it's a social act. Men are sexually predatory in life; and women are sexually manipulative. When two individuals come together and leave their gender outside the bedroom door, then they make love.

Andrea Dworkin

The common erotic project of destroying women makes it possible for men to unite into a brotherhood; this project is the only firm and trustworthy groundwork for cooperation among males and all male bonding is based on it.

Andrea Dworkin

Only when manhood is dead - and it will perish when ravaged femininity no longer sustains it - only then will we know what it is to be free.

Andrea Dworkin

Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/a/andrea_dworkin.html#x57Y51QcskKRgg1O.99

Heddi

(18,312 posts)
48. Those aren't her quotes from the debate you're talking about though
Mon Mar 31, 2014, 09:16 PM
Mar 2014

and since you can remember nothing besides the porn star was funny, and someone you've already demonstrated you've got a bias against wasn't funny, I'm sorry that I can't take your recollection of this event as being remotely close what actually happened, what actually was said, whether one party was more uptight or more happy-go-lucky than the other.

You know, I remember when I was 4 or 5 being on a children's tee vee show that was produced locally. I remember watching myself when the show aired. I remember the puppets. I remember the cartoon segues they played being shown on a monitor in that I and other kids sat in front of. I remember the hostess, and I remember so much about it. I remember the hostess kissing me on the cheek. I remember wearing a feathered headband.

Only it didn't happen that way.

Oh, I was on the locally produced tv show, for about 5 minutes. There weren't other kids. Or puppets, Or cartoon segues played on a monitor. There was a kiss and a headband, but no replay on the TV for me to watch because it was a live program.

The fallibility of memories is well known. Even memories we're sure happened one way or another. Especially when we want the memory to be remembered one way or another.

This is not a new concept

I'm sure if you did a youtube search or google search for andrea dworkin TV appearances you'd find the clip you're looking for. And I would not be surprised if it was much more nuanced and a bit more complex than you're making it out to be.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
3. your first post was proven a lie. now you feel the need to diss the woman off memory and 3 decades
Mon Mar 31, 2014, 08:09 PM
Mar 2014

ago

brilliant

Sheldon Cooper

(3,724 posts)
4. Archie, why don't you stop beating around the bush and tell us exactly how you feel about
Mon Mar 31, 2014, 08:22 PM
Mar 2014

Andrea Dworkin. You've been hinting around about her for a couple of days now, but I just can't get a read on your true feelings.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
6. who the fug cares how he feels about dworkin. it is the lies, that brings poster out to challenge.
Mon Mar 31, 2014, 08:25 PM
Mar 2014

otherwise... it is an obvious and stupid game.

 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
8. Who cares? She's been dead for years
Mon Mar 31, 2014, 08:26 PM
Mar 2014

and was never representative of views of any woman I've ever met. I've never seen anyone on DU hold Dworkin up as a paragon of the feminist movement or as a theorist worth serious consideration. Why the glut of posts smearing someone from whom the world has moved on?

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
20. So your logic is
Mon Mar 31, 2014, 08:33 PM
Mar 2014

"I don't like this particular feminist, and this particular feminist believed A, therefore A is invalid."

Archae

(46,318 posts)
25. Not this past Sunday, the Sunday before on "60 Minutes..."
Mon Mar 31, 2014, 08:39 PM
Mar 2014

They did a segment on a group they call the "Pink Panther" gang, who do violent jewelry robberies, worldwide.

They appear to come from Serbia.

Does that mean Serbia is a "Jewelry robbery culture?"

Or...is this an aberrant segment of society that a few people not in the ranks of the criminals either excuse or admire?

"Rape culture" is bullshit.
It's an excuse for the rapists, "Its not their fault, they grew up in rape culture so they can't help themselves!"

Tansy_Gold

(17,855 posts)
33. Oh, dear goodness, talk about getting it all bass ackwards
Mon Mar 31, 2014, 08:49 PM
Mar 2014

This person aka "Archae" wrote:

"Rape culture" is bullshit.
It's an excuse for the rapists, "Its not their fault, they grew up in rape culture so they can't help themselves!"


In fact, the concept of "rape culture" is quite the opposite of an "excuse" for rapists.

But I don't think you really want to hear why, because you have your mind so solidly and completely made up that no amount of logic or evidence will ever change it.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
34. You saying one burglary gang equals a culture is not at all what rape culture is about.
Mon Mar 31, 2014, 08:49 PM
Mar 2014

And seriously, you really think progressives are trying to excuse rape? Come on, just admit you are trying to twist words around to have a different meaning so you can pull a gotcha.

It's all been posted before, so if you really wanted to understand this issue you could easily find all the info you need, so I will just cut and paste from some other posts I've made before.


For me when you say "racism exists" it means there are some racists in the country,
but when you say "racist culture" it means it's systemic, which it is. It's not just simply that there are some racists. Minorities are profiled, suspected more often, arrested more often, convicted more often even for crimes that more whites commit. And in many more areas than just crime. Affluent minorities are accosted for shoplifting even when they've paid for the item simply because it is ingrained subconsciously that they can't afford the item. I'm sure though that if you asked the store personnel who stopped them they do not consider themselves a racist.

Same idea with rape culture. Like I said, it's a subtext that permeates the subconscious.

I think an analogy would be that bacteria causes the infection, but the surroundings that allowed that bacteria to thrive is the "culture". So yeah, the individuals are the ones who actually rape, but the rape culture is what allows it to happen and be gotten away with and have far to lenient sentences way more than should happen.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1114&pid=13579

I agree rape is violence. That doesn't negate that there is a rape culture.
It also doesn't mean that pornography is simply sex. Nor that magazine covers showing girls in bikinis are not a problem.

You seem to be conflating a lot of things. You're throwing a lot of things into the mix that all contribute to a sexist society and various women's issues but are not necessarily a direct reason for rape existing.

Do you really think pornography is simply sex? Come on, it's generally pretty violent for sex, gang banging, facials, choking, porn is not just "sex". At it's best it isn't regular sex, there's no affection, etc... Even if there weren't violent porn out there, which there is, there's a lot more to pornography than what shows up on the screen. Do you think all women get into porn willingly or because it's what they dreamed of doing when they grew up? Do you think that women who get into porn have high self esteem and many good alternatives in their lives? What do you think it's like on the set of a porn? There was a post recently by a DUer whose friend was in the business and she described what it was like to have to go through being in a porn movie and it was horrific.

When I was in college I was at a friend's dorm apt., it was a male apt. so 5 guys lived there. One of them came home and was really angry, he said he was angry about something then said "I just need to fuck something/someone ( don't remember which)". Where does he get the idea that that's a way to get his anger out? Very likely comes from porn. Where else do you see anger expressed with a sexual act?

Have you seen this talk? It's fantastic. If you haven't watched it it may shed some light on porn for you. It's a man talking about why he doesn't watch porn any more. Please do watch it. If you've already seen it please watch it again.



But anyway, back to rape culture... American absolutely does have a culture of rape. How many murder cases do you suppose have evidence just rotting away untouched on the shelves? How many armed robbery cases do you think the victim is too afraid to report because they will get blamed? What other crime blames the victim like rape or shames them like rape? Why is it so common for perps to get such lenient sentences in rape cases, even when it's pedophilia?

Why do so many young men think it's okay to violate a woman sexually when she is passed out? Why is there a drug called the "date rape" drug? The sexism that permeates society adds to men thinking they have a right to sex with women. They think of it as a conquest. All the slut shaming, the victim blaming, the objectification... it all adds up.

It's the objectification of women, the lack of respect for women that allows men to treat them as an object to be violated, that allows rape to be blamed on the victim and rape kits to be systematically ignored, that all adds up to a rape culture. Yes, it does exist. Just as white privilege exists. Just as so many things exist that are perhaps easier to grasp, understand and see if you are part of the group that is affected by it. Denying it is like denying that racism exists.

I just read this post that says a better term would be "rape enabling culture". Perhaps that makes more sense to you? I like it better myself.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4705334


http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4707877


Well rape culture as a whole doesn't mean every single person
or even every single social network. Just as racist culture doesn't mean every single person/social network.

But it does mean that it is systemic. There is a general attitude about rape that is different than all other crimes. So yes, let's focus on where the problems reside. Like the judicial system, the blaming of the victims, the attitude of young men who think raping a passed out female is not rape. Also teaching boys from when they are in high school and just beginning to date what it means to respect a woman and not think of her as an object to be conquered.

Look at the Republican Party. As a whole they think women are property to be told what they can and can not do with their bodies. How many men are influenced by that, and women too. That's horrible. So there you have half the country with that sort of mentality. That's a lot. So all their kids are being taught that mentality. (And all kinds of other weird attitudes towards sexuality but not any real sex education.) So it's an uphill battle, especially with the backlash against women's rights lately, to even just have women regarded as people, let alone with a voice of their own to say what can and can't be done to them and their bodies.

So when women are being treated as less than men, are having (mostly) men legislate what they can and can not do with their bodies, are actually legislating that a woman who has been raped has to be vaginally probed by a doctor, and forcing women to have ultrasounds and being forced to look at them even if they're pregnant because of rape, well that all adds up to women being looked at as less than a man and as an object that men are allowed to control and do with what they please.

Of course I'm not saying it is a spoken idea, but it is a subtext that exists in our society that permeates the consciousness so that then you get people questioning the victim of rape to the point where they don't even want to report it lest they be dragged over the coals about it again, after they already feel completely violated and humiliated.

What I don't understand is why men feel such a strong need to invalidate the idea of rape culture. What difference does it make to you? Why not believe women when they say this is how they feel? We are the ones who live with it every day of our lives. Would you argue with a minority and tell them racism just doesn't exist?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1114&pid=13577


Hope that helps!


 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
38. who the fuck said it was not the rapists fault. that has nothing to do with rape culture. ONE post
Mon Mar 31, 2014, 08:51 PM
Mar 2014

ONE post where anyone says it is not a rapists fault for raping. ONE

or this is merely another lie that will be left standing that you lack the integrity to correct or self delete. like your Op about dworking you admit is untrue, that still stands. no coreection. no self delete

ONE person that has said it is not a rpaist fault for raping

one

 

Spider Jerusalem

(21,786 posts)
57. That's one of the more painfully stupid things I've read here.
Mon Mar 31, 2014, 09:40 PM
Mar 2014

And over the past 11 years I've read a lot of painfully stupid things.

When one in six Serbians is the target of jewel thieves, and when only one in ten of those crimes is ever reported (because the victim is afraid they won't be believed, or that they'll be told it was their own fault and ignored, or that they deserved it), and when only one in three of those one in ten reports results in a prosecution, let alone a conviction? Then you can say that Serbia has a "jewel theft culture". (Those are the stats for prevalence, reporting and prosecution of rape in the US, by the way.)

Ohio Joe

(21,752 posts)
28. So... Let me get this right...
Mon Mar 31, 2014, 08:45 PM
Mar 2014

You have to first stretch back 30 years ago and post what was shown to be a lie about Dworkin to justify your denial of rape culture... Then not have the decency to self delete when it's shown to be a lie... Then once again stretch back 30 years to some interview where you don't feel she was nice enough and use this supposed 'mean feminist' thing to justify your denying rape culture... Do I have that right?

...

...

...

You just gotta love when the denial proves the point.

Gravitycollapse

(8,155 posts)
14. I'll be the first, then, to suggest that we at least read her work. It is worth investigation.
Mon Mar 31, 2014, 08:29 PM
Mar 2014

Rather than paraphrasing 30 year old TV interviews that probably never happened.

Gravitycollapse

(8,155 posts)
45. I don't need to read it there. I've read her books and essays and know what she actually believes.
Mon Mar 31, 2014, 09:01 PM
Mar 2014

Unlike you.

Even as far as character assassinations go, yours is utterly pathetic.

rrneck

(17,671 posts)
22. Well, this is from Wiki...
Mon Mar 31, 2014, 08:35 PM
Mar 2014
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrea_Dworkin
Dworkin authored ten books of radical feminist theory and numerous speeches and articles, each designed to assert the presence of and denounce institutionalized and normalized harm against women. She became one of the most influential writers and spokeswomen of American radical feminism during the late 1970s and the 1980s.[34][88] She characterized pornography as an industry of damaging objectification and abuse, not merely a fantasy realm. She discussed prostitution as a system of exploitation, and intercourse as a key site of subordination in patriarchy. Her analysis and writing influenced and inspired the work of contemporary feminists, such as Catharine MacKinnon,[94] Gloria Steinem,[95] John Stoltenberg,[92] Nikki Craft,[96] Susan Cole,[97] and Amy Elman.[98]

Gravitycollapse

(8,155 posts)
12. Have you ever actually read any academic work by Dworkin?
Mon Mar 31, 2014, 08:28 PM
Mar 2014

Or do you obtain all you need to know from 30 year old interviews (that probably never actually happened) you can't remember very well?

Archae

(46,318 posts)
29. Yes, a porn actress would be better to visit than a radical feminist.
Mon Mar 31, 2014, 08:45 PM
Mar 2014

I'd feel like I'd be walking on eggshells, being with a radical. Any radical.

I wouldn't have sex with the porn actress, I'd be too concerned about catching an STD.
But I've been friends with a guy who used to be a cameraman for a porn studio, and he told me some hilarious stories, and some of his observations about porn stars like John Holmes.
He told me Holmes had his brain in that big dick of his.

Ever try being at a family gathering, where one of the family there was a radical Christian?
Fun, right?

Texasgal

(17,045 posts)
17. I do not understand why we are having
Mon Mar 31, 2014, 08:33 PM
Mar 2014

this conversation about this Woman.

I've not heard of her until DU and honestly... I DON'T CARE. I have my opinions that were not shaped by this person.

 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
23. Exactly.
Mon Mar 31, 2014, 08:35 PM
Mar 2014

She was read primarily by academics and students. The average woman, feminist or not, has not based her views on gender or sexuality or rape or whathefuckever on Dworkin's writing.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
26. Feminists are bad, porn stars are good, mmmkay?
Mon Mar 31, 2014, 08:40 PM
Mar 2014

Another jumbled mess of an OP.

Was it a debate or a one-on-one interview?

Why is it the only person you remember is Dworkin? Did you actually watch this debate or are you just "retelling" someone else's story that you found on the internet? Why didn't you include this gem of a story in your other sloppy OP?

Since you admit, barely, that the "all sex is rape" is factually incorrect why don't you go edit/delete your OP where you so boldly made that claim? Any person with any honor at all would do that and would apologize. But then they would also not write a sloppy OP like this either.

So what if Dworkin is anti-porn?

Why are you trying so hard to smear Dworkin?

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
40. porn stars are good but for the stds... meh
Mon Mar 31, 2014, 08:56 PM
Mar 2014
I wouldn't have sex with the porn actress, I'd be too concerned about catching an STD.



http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024761352#post29

bluestateguy

(44,173 posts)
30. I'll conceed that she never said "all sex is rape"
Mon Mar 31, 2014, 08:46 PM
Mar 2014

Not in exact words, anyway. But that was clearly what she believes and what she meant.

She was batshit crazy.

 

newcriminal

(2,190 posts)
37. jury results
Mon Mar 31, 2014, 08:51 PM
Mar 2014

On Mon Mar 31, 2014, 06:18 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

I remember a debate between Andrea Dworkin, and a porn actress.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024761352

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Pure shit stirring.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Mon Mar 31, 2014, 06:31 PM, and the Jury voted 3-3 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
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etherealtruth

(22,165 posts)
41. I never heard of her prior to your posts
Mon Mar 31, 2014, 08:57 PM
Mar 2014

Not sure of the relevance of what one woman says ... or does ...?

Keep your obsession going if that's what pleases you.

 

CFLDem

(2,083 posts)
49. Nah
Mon Mar 31, 2014, 09:25 PM
Mar 2014

"Rape Culture" guilt tripping is a dead horse that the local Dworkin sycophants like to whip up their spirits with while bringing everyone else down.

They're kind of like the crazy aunt/uncle of the feminist wing who like to think themselves heirs of suffragettes when they are nothing of the sort.

TLDR: We appreciate their ideas, but please come back when they have some practical ideas.


laundry_queen

(8,646 posts)
52. Let it.
Mon Mar 31, 2014, 09:30 PM
Mar 2014

Both are giant FAILS for him anyway.

Gotta love the 'nasty grouchy feminist' crap in the OP too. Like that was never a stereotype.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
47. Yes, but does Pepperidge Farm remember?
Mon Mar 31, 2014, 09:14 PM
Mar 2014

You don't believe in the existence of rape culture. Yet here you are, doing your best to belittle and assail the concept, in post, after post, after post. Using fallacious arguments and personal attacks to try to underline your point.

It's sure got you in a tizzy, for something you believe is a nonexistent concept.

In each of these threads, people, out of the goodness - or perhaps naivety - of their heart, take you in to explain hte concept to you. Again, and again, and again.

Yet you keep on doing this.

How odd.

mercuryblues

(14,530 posts)
56. I suspect
Mon Mar 31, 2014, 09:40 PM
Mar 2014

this debate you say happened must have been in one of your dreams about her. As a matter of fact her obit in The Nation clearly stated that she never debated another female about porn.

So what is you purpose for spreading lies about a woman who died several years ago? why the hate in an attempt to smear a dead woman.

this is your second one in a day. Should people be expecting a 3rd op with a new lie?

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
61. I wouldn't be surprised, TBH.
Tue Apr 1, 2014, 04:23 AM
Apr 2014

Dworkin kinda was a little crazy like that.

I've been a sex-positive feminist for quite a while myself, and I guess I can understand *some* of the sex-negative arguments, TBH(the porn industry does have a substantial dark side, unfortunately).....but the radicals turned me off some day one.



 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
63. Don't remember the host. Don't remember the porn star.
Tue Apr 1, 2014, 10:06 AM
Apr 2014

Clearly remember Dworkin and everything else, including the detailed demeanor of the porn star and that it was someone you wouldn't mind talking to. Ahhhhh the memories we hold on to.

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