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n2doc

(47,953 posts)
Wed Apr 2, 2014, 11:33 AM Apr 2014

Sen. Sanders- What world are the five conservative Supreme Court justices living in?

The Supreme Court on Wednesday struck down overall campaign contribution limits. The law that the 5-4 ruling voided has prevented individuals from contributing more than $123,000 to candidates and party committees per election cycle. Sen. Bernie Sanders, who has proposed a constitutional amendment to restore the power of Congress and state lawmakers to limit campaign donations, blasted the ruling.“Freedom of speech, in my view, does not mean the freedom to buy the United States government,” Sanders said.

The ruling gives wealthy donors like the billionaires Charles and David Koch more power to influence elections. An earlier ruling in Citizens United vs. FEC resulted in a record $7 billion being spent in the 2012 election cycle, including at least $400 million by the Koch brothers alone. “What world are the five conservative Supreme Court justices living in?” Sanders asked. “To equate the ability of billionaires to buy elections with ‘freedom of speech’ is totally absurd. The Supreme Court is paving the way toward an oligarchic form of society in which a handful of billionaires like the Koch brothers and Sheldon Adelson will control our political process.”

At issue in the latest case was a limit on how much donors may give to all candidates and political organizations during a two-year federal election cycle. The cap now is $123,200. That includes a separate $48,600 limit on contributions to individual candidates during 2013 and 2014. A separate $2,600 limit on how much one individual may give to any specific candidate for Congress in any election is not directly at stake in this case.

The latest ruling comes on the heels of a disastrous 2010 Supreme Court ruling in Citizens United, which threw out campaign funding laws that limited what wealthy individuals and corporations could spend on elections. Since that ruling, campaign spending by Adelson, the Las Vegas casino magnate, the Koch brothers and a handful of other billionaire families has fundamentally undermined American democracy.


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Sen. Sanders- What world are the five conservative Supreme Court justices living in? (Original Post) n2doc Apr 2014 OP
They're doing what no justice should ever do - voting their (evil) party line nt Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2014 #1
Decemeber 2000...same thing. freebrew Apr 2014 #43
We need you, Bernie Sanders. woo me with science Apr 2014 #2
So true. I don't see how anything will change without, as he says... polichick Apr 2014 #14
R.A.T.S. = RobertsAlitoThomasScalia alterfurz Apr 2014 #3
where does that leave Kennedy...a middleman, really Supersedeas Apr 2014 #22
What was that the about 80 of the richest people having more money than all the rest of us? How jwirr Apr 2014 #4
That was last years numbers ... aggiesal Apr 2014 #19
Something has to be done. They are not only out to destroy our unions, our schools, our safety net. jwirr Apr 2014 #20
China or any other foreign power can secretly fund any politician they choose to. Ikonoklast Apr 2014 #28
Foreign countries are already doing it ... aggiesal Apr 2014 #31
This will frighten Republicans more than the Kochs and Adelson buying their party. Ikonoklast Apr 2014 #33
Did you hear any RW mouthpiece say a word when this story broke? aggiesal Apr 2014 #36
Well we all know the Clarence Thomas is a certified Idiot on top of ... Walk away Apr 2014 #5
........ daleanime Apr 2014 #8
From your keyboard to god's ears... Moostache Apr 2014 #9
"supreme" court my ass /nt dickthegrouch Apr 2014 #6
K&R.... daleanime Apr 2014 #7
The Koch Brothers should just declare themselves dictators and get it over with. Initech Apr 2014 #10
Think of it like a professional sports team n2doc Apr 2014 #11
Looks like they are already taking over the state of Louisiana. DhhD Apr 2014 #41
The Supremes just confirmed Reality packman Apr 2014 #12
Even the Democrats are accused of "elitism" frequently by conservatives, it is they who Dustlawyer Apr 2014 #13
Here is a bit from Justice Stevens' dissent in Citizens United Fortinbras Armstrong Apr 2014 #15
We sure could use a Theodore Roosevelt about now. Enthusiast Apr 2014 #25
''Freedom of speech...does not mean the freedom to buy the United States government.'' Octafish Apr 2014 #16
+1! Enthusiast Apr 2014 #24
Speech != Money is an easy one. Such a weak argument. harun Apr 2014 #29
Just look at the Presidents kitt6 Apr 2014 #17
Five supreme court justices say big corporate money can't have a corrupting influence on politics tclambert Apr 2014 #18
it's a sad day, indeed. m-lekktor Apr 2014 #21
K&R! This post should have hundreds of recommendations! Enthusiast Apr 2014 #23
Obscene. Is there any chance Kennedy will retire before Obama's term ends? n/t Jefferson23 Apr 2014 #26
Institutionalized corruption. moondust Apr 2014 #27
Where they're paid to live - KochWorld. nt TBF Apr 2014 #30
Koch/1% are now outwardly and publicly taking over each and every state's government. DhhD Apr 2014 #42
It's a cloistered world, where they feel beholden only to the law. idendoit Apr 2014 #32
13.8 billion light years beyond the pale TheKentuckian Apr 2014 #34
I predict Caretha Apr 2014 #35
KICK! Of course it does! that's the whole freaking purpose. Cha Apr 2014 #37
The Plutocracy Strikes Back. Rex Apr 2014 #38
The a few of the fascist judges need to retire real soon. nt Zorra Apr 2014 #39
"Justice" is certainly a misnomer in their job title! n/t marew Apr 2014 #40
So enact a law requiring truth in advertising and publicly funded campaigns the_sly_pig Apr 2014 #44
KnR!! n/t BlancheSplanchnik Apr 2014 #45
A question: Why are American voters so easily duped to vote based on slick propaganda? AdHocSolver Apr 2014 #46
They long to go back to the time when rich white landowning males were the only ones who could vote. Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2014 #47
This court no longer has the right to call itself "Supreme." Jasana Apr 2014 #48

alterfurz

(2,469 posts)
3. R.A.T.S. = RobertsAlitoThomasScalia
Wed Apr 2, 2014, 11:49 AM
Apr 2014

The people who own the country ought to run it. -- John Jay, first Chief Justice of the United States
[They do. --Noam Chomsky]
Same as it ever was, only more so...

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
4. What was that the about 80 of the richest people having more money than all the rest of us? How
Wed Apr 2, 2014, 12:08 PM
Apr 2014

does this play out in this decision. Does this idea apply to the US? How much do each of us have to donate in order to meet what the rich could donate?

aggiesal

(8,907 posts)
19. That was last years numbers ...
Wed Apr 2, 2014, 02:48 PM
Apr 2014

Now it's down to 67 (I think).

And since these Super-PAC's don't have to reveal their donors, nothing is stopping any foreign corporation or person from influencing our elections.
Which before citizens united decision was impossible to do.

There has to be impeachment proceedings on at least Justice Thomas now.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
20. Something has to be done. They are not only out to destroy our unions, our schools, our safety net.
Wed Apr 2, 2014, 02:51 PM
Apr 2014

They are also out to make our election system fail the people.

Ikonoklast

(23,973 posts)
28. China or any other foreign power can secretly fund any politician they choose to.
Wed Apr 2, 2014, 04:59 PM
Apr 2014

The Super-PACs will now rule our election process.

aggiesal

(8,907 posts)
31. Foreign countries are already doing it ...
Wed Apr 2, 2014, 09:29 PM
Apr 2014
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/mexican-tycoon-accused-us-campaign-scheme

An excerpt from the [Font color=red]Feb. 13, 2014[/font] article.

In a first of its kind case, federal prosecutors say a Mexican businessman funneled more than $500,000 into U.S. political races through Super PAC's and various shell companies. The alleged financial scheme is the first known instance of a foreign national exploiting the [Font color=red]Supreme Court’s Citizens United decision[/font] in order to influence U.S. elections. If proven, the campaign finance scandal could reshape the public debate over the high court’s landmark decision.

Until now, allegations surrounding Jose Susumo Azano Matsura, the owner of multiple construction companies in Mexico, have not spread beyond local news outlets in San Diego, where he’s accused of bankrolling a handful of southern California candidates. But the scandal is beginning to attract national interest as it ensnares a U.S. congressman, a Washington, D.C.-based campaign firm and the legacy of one of the most important Supreme Court decisions in a generation.



Ikonoklast

(23,973 posts)
33. This will frighten Republicans more than the Kochs and Adelson buying their party.
Wed Apr 2, 2014, 09:50 PM
Apr 2014

If they actually believed in the Constitution, they would be clamoring for an amendment limiting both corporate power and money as speech.

Both of those unlimited "rights" will make the rest of that document worthless.

aggiesal

(8,907 posts)
36. Did you hear any RW mouthpiece say a word when this story broke?
Wed Apr 2, 2014, 11:05 PM
Apr 2014

Honestly, I don't think they care, unless the money went to Democratic candidates.

Look at this story:
http://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/foreign.php

Walk away

(9,494 posts)
5. Well we all know the Clarence Thomas is a certified Idiot on top of ...
Wed Apr 2, 2014, 12:14 PM
Apr 2014

being married to his partner in evil, Mrs Teabag Thomas. That will never change. We can only hope that Scalia buys the farm ASAP and that Roberts has a complete change of heart, comes out as gay and undoes the mess he has made of all of our lives.

Moostache

(9,895 posts)
9. From your keyboard to god's ears...
Wed Apr 2, 2014, 01:31 PM
Apr 2014

I hope to hell to see Scalia kick off and the sooner the better. Thomas is a jackass and a tool, but Scalia is on a whole different level of asshattery...

Initech

(100,034 posts)
10. The Koch Brothers should just declare themselves dictators and get it over with.
Wed Apr 2, 2014, 01:31 PM
Apr 2014

Why live up the facade of a democracy anymore? The supreme court just gave the traitor billionaires a blank check to do whatever they want.

n2doc

(47,953 posts)
11. Think of it like a professional sports team
Wed Apr 2, 2014, 01:33 PM
Apr 2014

The Koch's pick out the 'managers' and 'coaches'. I'm sure they would rather just put their people in place to do all the dirty work.

DhhD

(4,695 posts)
41. Looks like they are already taking over the state of Louisiana.
Thu Apr 3, 2014, 10:57 AM
Apr 2014
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1054192

Koch's buying Louisiana so Governor can manage their Energy Business. Talk about Reconstruction. This gives the idea of secession a whole new meaning.
 

packman

(16,296 posts)
12. The Supremes just confirmed Reality
Wed Apr 2, 2014, 02:00 PM
Apr 2014

It was always this way, wasn't it? I, and I hope you, weren't really all that naive about money controlling elections. And what is now left? Where does one get the information needed to vote even somewhat intelligently - from the media which is controlled by the rich who will let us know through their propaganda who to vote for in the future.
The only thing left that they haven't got their claws into is the internet, and that is hanging like a piece of raw meat in a tiger's cage to them.

Dustlawyer

(10,494 posts)
13. Even the Democrats are accused of "elitism" frequently by conservatives, it is they who
Wed Apr 2, 2014, 02:05 PM
Apr 2014

believe that the wealthy, connected people should run things since us unwashed (we do bathe!) masses are too stupid and ignorant to do it right! They really believe this shit! I agree that a large portion of Americans are so busy struggling to survive that they do not keep up with politics. They are also susceptible to the misinformation and propaganda spewed by these same self serving, rich bull shit artists.
I hope there are reporters digging into the unfab 5 to find the secret bank accounts full of money they must have!

Fortinbras Armstrong

(4,473 posts)
15. Here is a bit from Justice Stevens' dissent in Citizens United
Wed Apr 2, 2014, 02:09 PM
Apr 2014
At bottom, the Court's opinion is thus a rejection of the common sense of the American people, who have recognized a need to prevent corporations from undermining self government since the founding, and who have fought against the distinctive corrupting potential of corporate electioneering since the days of Theodore Roosevelt. It is a strange time to repudiate that common sense. While American democracy is imperfect, few outside the majority of this Court would have thought its flaws included a dearth of corporate money in politics.


He mentions Theodore Roosevelt, who said

All contributions by corporations to any political committee or for any political purpose should be forbidden by law; directors should not be permitted to use stockholders' money for such purposes; and, moreover, a prohibition of this kind would be, as far as it went, an effective method of stopping the evils aimed at in corrupt practices acts. Not only should both the National and the several State Legislatures forbid any officer of a corporation from using the money of the corporation in or about any election, but they should also forbid such use of money in connection with any legislation save by the employment of counsel in public manner for distinctly legal services.


Octafish

(55,745 posts)
16. ''Freedom of speech...does not mean the freedom to buy the United States government.''
Wed Apr 2, 2014, 02:14 PM
Apr 2014

Sounds like the Democrats I used to know.

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
24. +1!
Wed Apr 2, 2014, 04:34 PM
Apr 2014

We need to hear from all the Democrats on this decision. We need 100% unified condemnation. Or we must ask why not.

harun

(11,348 posts)
29. Speech != Money is an easy one. Such a weak argument.
Wed Apr 2, 2014, 07:25 PM
Apr 2014

Problem is Dem's are soaking up the Corpo dollars too. Won't change.

tclambert

(11,084 posts)
18. Five supreme court justices say big corporate money can't have a corrupting influence on politics
Wed Apr 2, 2014, 02:31 PM
Apr 2014

so there ya go, it must be true.

I possess an extensive vocabulary, to the extent that I get accused of cheating at Scrabble (the dictionary always confirms my play), yet I cannot find the words to adequately express my disgust for these Supreme Court "Justices."

m-lekktor

(3,675 posts)
21. it's a sad day, indeed.
Wed Apr 2, 2014, 02:56 PM
Apr 2014

very disillusioning for the average joe. free speech is for those who can afford it.

DhhD

(4,695 posts)
42. Koch/1% are now outwardly and publicly taking over each and every state's government.
Thu Apr 3, 2014, 11:15 AM
Apr 2014

If you can swing over to the Louisiana Group, it looks to be the first openly admitting Koch State in Reconstruction after the Supreme Court 5 just busted the Union between Voters and their elected Representatives. The US Constitution must be amended.

 

idendoit

(505 posts)
32. It's a cloistered world, where they feel beholden only to the law.
Wed Apr 2, 2014, 09:40 PM
Apr 2014

Much of their work is done in secrecy, not that far removed from security agencies' roles. Let's throw a bunch more justices in the mix, it wouldn't be the first time.

TheKentuckian

(25,020 posts)
34. 13.8 billion light years beyond the pale
Wed Apr 2, 2014, 10:00 PM
Apr 2014

If anything can be done, it better be quick because the longer this sets in the less tools and resources will be available to reverse it.

 

Caretha

(2,737 posts)
35. I predict
Wed Apr 2, 2014, 10:23 PM
Apr 2014

this is the final nail in the coffin.

Unless we can impeach them - its all downhill from here.

Cha

(296,792 posts)
37. KICK! Of course it does! that's the whole freaking purpose.
Thu Apr 3, 2014, 01:10 AM
Apr 2014

"The ruling gives wealthy donors like the billionaires Charles and David Koch more power to influence elections."

the_sly_pig

(740 posts)
44. So enact a law requiring truth in advertising and publicly funded campaigns
Thu Apr 3, 2014, 03:35 PM
Apr 2014

Only way to combat this. Election reform. That would take care of many other issues also.

AdHocSolver

(2,561 posts)
46. A question: Why are American voters so easily duped to vote based on slick propaganda?
Thu Apr 3, 2014, 08:16 PM
Apr 2014

A complaint heard on DU: "Why do people vote against their own self-interest?"

The better question would be, "Why do the people who vote for right-wing politicians believe the right-wing propaganda serves their best interest?"

We need "smarter" voters, or we need to determine how to appeal in a more effective way to the voters we are stuck with.

Jasana

(490 posts)
48. This court no longer has the right to call itself "Supreme."
Fri Apr 4, 2014, 03:01 AM
Apr 2014

It has done nothing but break the back of our nation as if it doesn't even understand what its role is. This court has now descended into Dred Scott v. Sanford territory.

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