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Fri Apr 4, 2014, 10:33 AM

Congressman: We’re underpaid!

Virginia Democratic Rep. James Moran thinks members of Congress aren’t getting paid enough.

Moran and his colleagues make $174,000 a year, but he says that’s not enough money to live comfortably in the nation’s capital.

“Our pay has been frozen for three years and we’re planning on freezing it a fourth year. … A lot of members can’t even afford to live decently in Washington,” Moran told CQ Roll Call.

Moran is looking to do something about it. He plans to introduce an amendment to raise members’ salary to an unspecified figure, according to the report. He’s not optimistic the bill will go anywhere – “this is wholly quixotic,” he told the paper – but he hopes it will highlight what he sees as a hardship for elected officials.

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/congress-underpaid-moran

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lostincalifornia Apr 2014 #1
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lostincalifornia Apr 2014 #13
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frylock Apr 2014 #43
think Apr 2014 #45
frylock Apr 2014 #50
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former9thward Apr 2014 #21
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Response to spanone (Original post)

Fri Apr 4, 2014, 10:36 AM

1. I think it is time for moran and others like him to find another line of work.

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Response to lostincalifornia (Reply #1)

Fri Apr 4, 2014, 10:38 AM

2. i suggest they get the minimum wage at tops.

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Response to spanone (Reply #2)

Fri Apr 4, 2014, 10:56 AM

13. that is even better

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Response to spanone (Reply #2)

Fri Apr 4, 2014, 12:54 PM

69. I'd be more generous. Fix it at 10x minimum wage. The numbers work.

Presuming a full time salary, that would give them a current wage of $146k a year, which is reasonable for a high level public employee.

If Congresscritters wants to make $200k a year, they'd just need to raise the federal minimum wage to $9.60 an hour. If they want $250k, they have to raise the minimum wage to $12 an hour. And so on...

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Response to Xithras (Reply #69)

Fri Apr 4, 2014, 02:57 PM

86. ++++

 

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Response to spanone (Reply #2)

Fri Apr 4, 2014, 01:58 PM

83. This came to my mind also....

Great idea.

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Response to spanone (Original post)

Fri Apr 4, 2014, 10:40 AM

3. I would agree to doubling their salaries if their campaigns were publically funded...

...and they were banned from lobbying after their terms.

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Response to spanone (Original post)

Fri Apr 4, 2014, 10:40 AM

4. Yeah it's really a hardship

to go there and sit on your dairy air.

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Response to spanone (Original post)

Fri Apr 4, 2014, 10:41 AM

5. So live uncomfortably...like the rest of us.

Pinch pennies. Clip coupons. Make your meals at home.



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Response to City Lights (Reply #5)

Fri Apr 4, 2014, 12:44 PM

64. And they can commute, too, just like most Americans.

If Washington's too expensive (what he really means is the wealthy neighborhoods are too expensive), live in a cheaper fucking town. I'm sure there's some vestige of common sense left in his head.

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Response to LuvNewcastle (Reply #64)

Fri Apr 4, 2014, 01:07 PM

73. I would even support public housing for reps and senators

 

They can stay there for the duration of their term(s) and then make room for the next one.

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Response to spanone (Original post)

Fri Apr 4, 2014, 10:41 AM

6. That must be why they have to take all the cash from the likes of the Koch's



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Response to liberal N proud (Reply #6)

Fri Apr 4, 2014, 11:54 AM

38. So why not pay them more and MAKE it ILLEGAL to take corporate money?

 

We'll pay pro athletes, actors, and others millions of dollars each year to entertain us but we pay the people who oversee a 4 trillion dollar annual budget for our country only a 6 figure salary?

It's a disconnect that is surreal in my mind. No wonder the govt sucks and corporations are taking us to the cleaners.

Sure they should do the right thing out of loyalty and patriotism but it is very evident that they don't.....

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Response to think (Reply #38)

Fri Apr 4, 2014, 12:06 PM

43. why are athletes always held up as an example?

why do actors and entertainers get a free pass?

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Response to frylock (Reply #43)

Fri Apr 4, 2014, 12:10 PM

45. It's easier & quicker to find an example of a salary

 

of a high paid athlete on Google and I'm lazy....

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Response to frylock (Reply #50)

Fri Apr 4, 2014, 12:36 PM

57. Thanks. Forgot about celebrities that aren't actors /nt

 

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Response to frylock (Reply #43)

Fri Apr 4, 2014, 12:29 PM

52. Post edited to pick on all entertainers rather than just pro athletes.

 

My apologies for being lazy...

Here's a list of top paid actors and actresses. Robert Downey Jr., Iron Man, tops the list making a cool $75 million in one year to entertain us:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/dorothypomerantz/2013/07/16/robert-downey-jr-tops-forbes-list-of-hollywoods-highest-paid-actors/

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Response to liberal N proud (Reply #6)

Fri Apr 4, 2014, 12:47 PM

67. We ought to quit paying them at all as long as they're taking money

from the Kochs, et al. If the rich are the only ones with access to them anyway, let the rich take care of them.

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Response to spanone (Original post)

Fri Apr 4, 2014, 10:44 AM

7. What an elitist pos. Just so far out of touch it is staggering.

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Response to spanone (Original post)

Fri Apr 4, 2014, 10:44 AM

8. Meanwhile all federal employees in DC are prohibited from having a higher salary than congressmen

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Response to Major Nikon (Reply #8)

Fri Apr 4, 2014, 11:16 AM

21. What?

Last edited Fri Apr 4, 2014, 12:02 PM - Edit history (1)

Hundreds of federal employees make more than Congressmen.

http://www.wikiorgcharts.com/stats/top1000/agency_0/perpage_500/

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Response to former9thward (Reply #21)

Fri Apr 4, 2014, 11:44 AM

31. There are a few eligible for special rates

The vast majority of federal employees are not in that situation.

The GS pay scale tops out at 157100.
https://www.opm.gov/policy-data-oversight/pay-leave/salaries-wages/salary-tables/14Tables/html/DCB.aspx

Even the executive pay scale tops out at $201,700.
https://www.opm.gov/policy-data-oversight/pay-leave/salaries-wages/salary-tables/14Tables/exec/html/EX.aspx

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Response to Major Nikon (Reply #31)

Fri Apr 4, 2014, 12:05 PM

42. Not sure what your definition of a "few" is.

Number 1000 on the list makes $216,000 a year -- far more than a Congressman -- and is an accountant. My list only goes to the top 1000 in salary. How many make more than 175,000 -- who knows. I say it is more than a "few".

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Response to former9thward (Reply #42)

Fri Apr 4, 2014, 12:42 PM

62. There are over 2.5 million civilian federal employees

Even if the number were 25,000 it would still be a fraction of a percent.

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Response to spanone (Original post)

Fri Apr 4, 2014, 10:45 AM

9. Get a Brain, Moran

You are seriously out of touch.

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Response to spanone (Original post)

Fri Apr 4, 2014, 10:45 AM

10. Sufrommich: No,you're not! nt

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Response to sufrommich (Reply #10)

Fri Apr 4, 2014, 01:19 PM

75. +1

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Response to spanone (Original post)

Fri Apr 4, 2014, 10:46 AM

11. Maybe the federal government should build some public housing for members of Congres and their

staffs?

Why not?

Sure would beat giving the deadbeats a raise.

Let them live in crowded, public housing. Maybe we could throw in a social worker or two to ease their discomfort and deal with their social maladjustment.

Imagine what would happen if members of Congress were paid the same amount as the average American working person and prohibited from using money beyond that salary. (I know this is not possible. Just asking what if.) We would have a very different crowd in Congress and get very different results.

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Response to spanone (Original post)

Fri Apr 4, 2014, 10:46 AM

12. I haven't read about any of them living in homeless shelters, going to food pantries or seeking

medical care at non-profit clinics.

Once I start reading such articles, then I'll actually believe their statements about not being able to afford live decently.

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Response to spanone (Original post)

Fri Apr 4, 2014, 10:59 AM

14. The median household income in DC ...

... is $86,680 - the highest of any city in the US. If we assume that members of congress are all the sole wage earners of their families, and that they have no income other than their salaries, they're still earning nearly twice as much as the average wage earning family.

Rep. Moran needs a serious reality check.

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Response to spanone (Original post)

Fri Apr 4, 2014, 11:02 AM

15. If you consider the amount of OUR money they oversee

 

yes, they are underpaid. And that is why corporations can buy so much influence.

We should pay them for performance and for working for US. Pay them like we pay CEOs and pro athletes.


No more "book deals", elaborate speaking contracts, and lobbying jobs for 5 years after leaving service.

Let's face it. You get what you pay for......

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Response to spanone (Original post)

Fri Apr 4, 2014, 11:03 AM

16. Too fucking bad. Even $174,000 is too much for a do NOTHING Congress.

 

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Response to spanone (Original post)

Fri Apr 4, 2014, 11:04 AM

17. No, Congressman....WE'RE underpaid!!!

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Response to spanone (Original post)

Fri Apr 4, 2014, 11:07 AM

18. How about we pay them piecework.

No legislation passed, no pay.

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Response to spanone (Original post)

Fri Apr 4, 2014, 11:11 AM

19. How about we send them a power point presentation on making a sack lunch.

That should save some money.

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Response to spanone (Original post)

Fri Apr 4, 2014, 11:12 AM

20. Yes, thank you Democratic Congressperson for making this an issue

so close to mid-terms. Very helpful and resonant with citizens to be sure.

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Response to spanone (Original post)

Fri Apr 4, 2014, 11:18 AM

22. Then get the fuck out

 

and get another job. Anyone who votes yes on that bill should be automatically primaried and kicked to the curb.

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Response to spanone (Original post)

Fri Apr 4, 2014, 11:20 AM

23. Wahhhhhh..

... your overpay has been frozen. Do you have a CLUE what is going on outside the beltway? People would be THRILLED with frozen pay, or any pay at all.

Go ahead and push your bill. Anyone who votes for it won't have to worry about congressional pay any longer. Asshole.

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Response to spanone (Original post)

Fri Apr 4, 2014, 11:25 AM

24. WAGES FOR THE REST OF US HAVE BEEN FROZEN FOR YEARS

YOU WANT A RAISE? DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.

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Response to spanone (Original post)

Fri Apr 4, 2014, 11:34 AM

25. Considering how many days they actually work

 

and what they actually get done, they are lucky they make anything exceeding minimum wage. Many of them are millionaires, too.

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Response to spanone (Original post)

Fri Apr 4, 2014, 11:37 AM

26. Visit his FB page and let him know what you think about

this. A Dem should not be proposing this until wages of Americans go up. $10.10.

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Response to spanone (Original post)

Fri Apr 4, 2014, 11:39 AM

27. Wow what an JERK..

Talk about out of touch with his party and the common man.

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Response to spanone (Original post)

Fri Apr 4, 2014, 11:41 AM

28. Barracks for Senators and Congressmen

Kind of like a posh-ish homeless shelter is the ambiance I think would do.

Think student housing at a small Mississippi agricultural college.

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #28)

Fri Apr 4, 2014, 01:10 PM

74. I was thinking more along the lines of a modest apartment complex n/t

 

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Response to arcane1 (Reply #74)

Fri Apr 4, 2014, 01:49 PM

80. Watergate would do..



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Response to spanone (Original post)

Fri Apr 4, 2014, 11:41 AM

29. Waaaaah.

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Response to spanone (Original post)

Fri Apr 4, 2014, 11:43 AM

30. What's this, another whining DINO?

Please, let the door hit you on your way out, POS.

-p

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Response to spanone (Original post)

Fri Apr 4, 2014, 11:46 AM

32. Feel free to look for another job Jim.

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Response to spanone (Original post)

Fri Apr 4, 2014, 11:46 AM

33. Pay them by the day

for the days they actually are in session. Ha Ha

Per Diem means by the 24 hour time slot so if they show up Tues night and go home again on Thurs morning, they get day of pay.

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Response to spanone (Original post)

Fri Apr 4, 2014, 11:48 AM

35. .

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Response to spanone (Original post)

Fri Apr 4, 2014, 11:49 AM

36. Trolling for CARE packages, is he?

Okay, I'll bite. Perhaps everyone in his district should send the poor little darlin' a CARE package. Definitely include week-old bread and baloney. Lots of baloney. And several tubes of Chap-Stick (I'm sure their lips take a beating, what with all the butt-bussing).

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Response to spanone (Original post)

Fri Apr 4, 2014, 11:53 AM

37. too bad he's required to stay in that terrible underpaid job for his entire life

oh wait...

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Response to spanone (Original post)

Fri Apr 4, 2014, 11:56 AM

39. Fuck you and all the filth in DC.

Try working for minimum wage.

Try living on $1060.00 per month if you are disabled.

Corrupt overpaid con artists.

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Response to spanone (Original post)

Fri Apr 4, 2014, 11:58 AM

40. What brand of crack are they smoking now?

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Response to spanone (Original post)

Fri Apr 4, 2014, 11:59 AM

41. Then stop being a Congressman and collect your fat pension while lobbying...

like everybody else.

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Response to spanone (Original post)

Fri Apr 4, 2014, 12:09 PM

44. Rep Moran is FROM Alexandria Virginia.

His congressional district is right next to D.C. He's one of the few that can reasonably commute from home.

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Response to hughee99 (Reply #44)

Fri Apr 4, 2014, 12:21 PM

49. Good Catch n/t

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Response to spanone (Original post)

Fri Apr 4, 2014, 12:12 PM

46. Abraham Lincoln

 

He reminds one of the man who murdered both his parents, and then pleaded for mercy on the grounds that he was an orphan. - Abraham Lincoln

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Response to spanone (Original post)

Fri Apr 4, 2014, 12:16 PM

47. I'm going to get blasted but I agree with him and here is why.

I have a step-brother that is a U.S. Congressman. He has to maintain his home on the west coast and live in DC during the week.

When he first came to DC he shared an apartment with 3 other Reps. Even that became to expensive.

He sleeps in his office now.

It's expensive to live in the DC area.

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Response to Lochloosa (Reply #47)

Fri Apr 4, 2014, 12:21 PM

48. One can rent a nice 1 bd apartment in the area for under 2K a month

That's 24K a year. Leaves a lot left over.

http://dc.about.com/od/rentals/a/Washington-Dc-Apartment-Rental-Rates.htm

And this doesn't mean living in a crappy part of town.

It all depends, I guess, on what sort of lifestyle you are living back at home.

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Response to n2doc (Reply #48)

Fri Apr 4, 2014, 12:27 PM

51. Look up the tax rates for 170K then deduct plane flights, food, two kids etc. and 24K is a lot.

Yes, he has a nice home but it's very middle class.

Trust me, if he could afford an apartment he would rather do that than sleep on his office couch.

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Response to Lochloosa (Reply #51)

Fri Apr 4, 2014, 12:34 PM

54. I know what the tax rates are

And all those expenses are tax deductible. I lived in DC on 42K a year, with a small family.

He has made the choice to live that way. I don't blame him, I would probably minimize my expenses in DC if I had a family back home too. But it is a deliberate decision, not a forced one.

I doubt there will be a lot of sympathy from the average American Family making less than 50K a year, before taxes.

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Response to n2doc (Reply #54)

Fri Apr 4, 2014, 12:39 PM

60. Point taken. I'm not saying he is broke.

But there are a lot of hidden expenses to living away from home.

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Response to Lochloosa (Reply #47)

Fri Apr 4, 2014, 12:42 PM

61. your step-brother has my deepest sympathies

...and they are very deep indeed.

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Response to TheSarcastinator (Reply #61)

Fri Apr 4, 2014, 12:51 PM

68. I'll thank him for you.

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Response to spanone (Original post)

Fri Apr 4, 2014, 12:30 PM

53. Right

That's why one's net worth goes up substantially when they serve in Congress.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Reply #53)

Fri Apr 4, 2014, 12:34 PM

55. So where does all that extra wealth come from if we're not paying it to them?

 

And how does that influence how they govern?

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Response to spanone (Original post)

Fri Apr 4, 2014, 12:35 PM

56. $174,000 + even more in "tips", + great bennies, is more than adequate pay. nt

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Response to spanone (Original post)

Fri Apr 4, 2014, 12:37 PM

58. Isnt he retiring?

 

Bold stance

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Response to spanone (Original post)

Fri Apr 4, 2014, 12:37 PM

59. They're all millionaires and need to

stop their whining.

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Response to spanone (Original post)

Fri Apr 4, 2014, 12:44 PM

63. I'll say what I've said in the past.

Set up a college style dorm and cafeteria in DC for Congressmen. Don't make them actually find apartments and food in DC. Then actually pay them LESS, not more.

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Response to spanone (Original post)

Fri Apr 4, 2014, 12:46 PM

65. Leave then

Or live outside of DC. Try to adapt, like the rest of us do.

Please congressman, STFU.

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Response to spanone (Original post)

Fri Apr 4, 2014, 12:47 PM

66. with all due respect, Fuck you - James Moran. I hope you are voted OUT.

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Response to spanone (Original post)

Fri Apr 4, 2014, 01:01 PM

70. Satire is officially dead.

 

I wonder if this dumb-ass would be willing to tie congressional pay to the minimum wage? Raise one, you have to raise the other by the same percentage?

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Response to spanone (Original post)

Fri Apr 4, 2014, 01:04 PM

71. They should be paid the same as the average American since they're supposed to represent them

And if they take a paycut then it's up to them to fix it by improving the lot of everyone else.

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Response to spanone (Original post)

Fri Apr 4, 2014, 01:04 PM

72. I don't fucking care, drop out of politics and let someone else do it then.

 

I am fed up with Congress! FUCK THEM. Where is the cost of living raise for the average worker that has been denied since the 1970s!?
Sorry, but I have no sympathy for any Congress critter. Don't like the job? Stand aside and let another Dem run for office!

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Response to spanone (Original post)

Fri Apr 4, 2014, 01:21 PM

76. James here is such a moran. nt

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Response to spanone (Original post)

Fri Apr 4, 2014, 01:24 PM

77. Well, he's always free to seek employment elsewhere

Besides, he's not even doing the job he was hired to do, so why should he get a raise?

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Response to spanone (Original post)

Fri Apr 4, 2014, 01:32 PM

78. considering that under Boehner

they work less than a full week and have numerous vacations and so-called breaks, I say....shove it!

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Response to spanone (Original post)

Fri Apr 4, 2014, 01:42 PM

79. lol - try living on my social security.

 

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Response to spanone (Original post)

Fri Apr 4, 2014, 01:49 PM

81. Cry Me a River

Estimated wealth

$266,507 in 2010

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Response to spanone (Original post)

Fri Apr 4, 2014, 01:54 PM

82. Oh but raising the minimum wage is bad for the country?

They shouldn't get shit. Congressmen don't even work.

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Response to spanone (Original post)

Fri Apr 4, 2014, 01:59 PM

84. Fine, let's fix it. Congressional dorms. Appropriate the money.

There's no reason they should have to support two homes, so let's build them a dorm. My grandmother lives in a 2 room assisted living apartment of about 300 square feet with a bedroom, living room, kitchenette, bathroom and closet. I think that's perfectly acceptable for people who only have a 4 day work week.

We won't make them share rooms, but their dorm assignments need to be random and they move every year (none of this perks of being an incumbent business.) It costs about $10 million to build a high rise hotel in the DC area; that's a jobs program for a while. It'll cost about $500,000 a year to keep a 535 room building heated, cooled and with water flowing through the pipes. Again, a jobs program. They can even have meeting and social areas, like all dorms. (My university just built some very nice ones -- this is not an unknown, unquantifiable project.) heck, give 'em a cafeteria.

Public service is not a money making scheme.

I'm serious about the dorm, though. I am very tired of hearing how destitute the millionaires in Congress are. If they're so poor, they should be willing to find a permanent solution that benefits everyone.

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Fri Apr 4, 2014, 02:17 PM

85. Dude lives across the bridge from DC

I used to live in his very liberal district, which is Arlington/Alexandria, VA.

I get that it is expensive for those from other states, but maybe its time for Jim to retire.


Give them dorm room style housing somewhere close to the capital. East DC is still very affordable if you're brave. I have seen congressional license plates there, probably from Democrats.

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