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JohnnyRingo

(18,623 posts)
Fri Apr 4, 2014, 01:59 PM Apr 2014

Why don't Americans read anymore?

Is it because we're lazy or have we lost the art of reading comprehension? Perhaps we just don't have time these days or find slogging through a lengthy text to be a mind numbing experience.

National Public Radio posted a similar headline to mine on it's Facebook page a couple days ago and got hundreds of replies to that seemingly simple query. Their motive was much less inquisitive than it was a sort of social experiment. The date of the posting on the 1st of this month was more than a mere coincidence, and I suggest you read on.

NPR set out to prove how a great number of people who surf the internet do so for provocative titles and jump right to the comment section to add their nickel. It used to be two cents, but with the advent of the web, our opinions have become inflationary in importance. Everyone wants to be heard and choose to ignore the rambling opinions of others. Anyone who ever created a thread on DU knows that many people just jump in to criticize and know from the comment that the person never read the post.

For those who got this far, or if you already have an inkling to what's going on, I strongly suggest you go to the link below and find out what the brilliant motive was behind NPR's headline:

http://www.uproxx.com/filmdrunk/2014/04/npr-april-fools-day-prank-facebook/

Once again, please don't post a reply until you go to that article. Others can just K&R if they wish and find out if people really do read before commenting. For those who fall for it, I confess that I've been guilty of the same offense before, so don't take it personally.

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Why don't Americans read anymore? (Original Post) JohnnyRingo Apr 2014 OP
If they did read Faux pas Apr 2014 #1
If only they would read, indeed CBGLuthier Apr 2014 #17
... Faux pas Apr 2014 #25
A combo of things quinnox Apr 2014 #2
I have a friend who is a teacher in SW Washington. Maedhros Apr 2014 #6
Not necessarily true about videogames. Have you played RPGs? johnlucas Apr 2014 #13
+1 (for your Legend of Zelda plug) n/t countryjake Apr 2014 #19
Thanks for that. Had to let 'em know 'bout dat Zelda! johnlucas Apr 2014 #36
First off, I'll let you know that I'm an old "fogey"... countryjake Apr 2014 #37
don't fall into the young fogey trap of axiomatically denouncing earlier art forms & info platforms villager Apr 2014 #27
Very fair. I understand you. johnlucas Apr 2014 #35
Good reply. Yeah, we want to beware of "fogeyism" -- too much rigidity -- at any age! villager Apr 2014 #39
Funny. :) enlightenment Apr 2014 #3
For anyone who's ever posted an original thread... JohnnyRingo Apr 2014 #9
You're welcome. enlightenment Apr 2014 #21
Reading comprehension: What a quaint concept. Brigid Apr 2014 #4
Love it. Luminous Animal Apr 2014 #5
:) Solly Mack Apr 2014 #7
We've become used to the sound-byte mentality...that and instant gratification... truebrit71 Apr 2014 #8
I've turned my stepdaughter into a voracious reader. Codeine Apr 2014 #10
If your under 30, you're part of the visual world. Over 30 you're part of the memorize and serial CK_John Apr 2014 #11
Not really, lol. Great excuse for illiteracy though. bettyellen Apr 2014 #33
Too busy working and being distracted seveneyes Apr 2014 #12
Brilliant CBGLuthier Apr 2014 #14
Hopefully... JohnnyRingo Apr 2014 #20
It ain't on the test. (n/t) Iggo Apr 2014 #15
LOL. Well done! greatauntoftriplets Apr 2014 #16
In all the yrs I've been here, it's the links, the articles, I go for... countryjake Apr 2014 #18
Everyone should read this maddezmom Apr 2014 #22
Interesting in that the linked thread proves JohnnyRingo's point. greatauntoftriplets Apr 2014 #23
..... maddezmom Apr 2014 #28
Uh huh! greatauntoftriplets Apr 2014 #30
That's a little different; that indicates that not all the *replies* were read muriel_volestrangler Apr 2014 #41
True, but that thread is still funny maddezmom Apr 2014 #42
Ya got me. Codeine Apr 2014 #24
Rec. bravenak Apr 2014 #26
Hahahaha! Vashta Nerada Apr 2014 #29
TL;DR Fumesucker Apr 2014 #31
Well, it seems to me that rrneck Apr 2014 #32
Hah...good one! pipi_k Apr 2014 #34
Hehe... That was pretty funny... K&R SomethingFishy Apr 2014 #38
Unsure as to proper procedure here. LiberalAndProud Apr 2014 #40

Faux pas

(14,657 posts)
1. If they did read
Fri Apr 4, 2014, 02:02 PM
Apr 2014

would they comprehend? Doubtful. This is boosh's 'dumbing down of America' trickling on down.

 

quinnox

(20,600 posts)
2. A combo of things
Fri Apr 4, 2014, 02:05 PM
Apr 2014

The youth are brought up on video games these days, so many of them think reading is a chore, something not fun, that they have to do for school homework only. And I think the youth have been dumbed down by the education system today, it has been going on for a while. They don't even teach cursive in school anymore.

And some if it is just sheer laziness. Plus, a lot of people just don't have any imagination either.

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
6. I have a friend who is a teacher in SW Washington.
Fri Apr 4, 2014, 02:24 PM
Apr 2014

She was telling me about her school's intensive reading program for students who are well behind the curve with respect to literacy. The class consists of nothing but having the students read out loud to one another for practice, with no talking/texting allowed.

According to her, the program is capable of relatively rapid improvement of reading skills - a student can bump up two or three grade levels.

However, she also told me how many parents demand that their children be taken out of the class, because the child complains to them about essentially not being able to goof off. I asked her how a parent could demand that their child not learn to read, and she just shrugged her shoulders. The school makes them sign a statement indicating that they do not want their child to learn to read and do not want special services in order to forestall future complaints about bad teaching.

 

johnlucas

(1,250 posts)
13. Not necessarily true about videogames. Have you played RPGs?
Fri Apr 4, 2014, 03:11 PM
Apr 2014

Don't fall into the old fogey trap blaming what the young folks are into for why things are so bad.
You can say the exact same things about movies (1890s-present), radio (1920s-present), & TV (1950s-present).

Media of Pictures & Sounds that tell stories without people deciphering text AKA reading.

If ANYTHING videogames may have REINTRODUCED people into reading.
Role Playing Games AKA RPGs are FULL of text to read.
In-game tutorials that you have to read through to play the game.

Play The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time without reading & listening to what the game characters say & see how far you get.

Recognize that text & only text IS boring.
It's old technology.
Make it relevant to the modern generation & it won't be.

Books are much better when they have pictures in them.
That's why comic books & comic strips are such powerful artforms.
Videogames blend the movie/TV, the radio, & the book together to give you picture, sound, & text all at once in a dynamic way.

Cursive IS useless outside of writing your own signature or for artistic purposes.
Most of it is unreadable & that defeats the central purpose for a device of communication.

Instead of railing against the kids because they don't do what you had to do growing up, understand the new mediums for yourself.
You might learn something.

Think about it. If the people of the past were so great, how can the descendants end up the opposite?
The descendants were raised by the people of the past after all.
Either the descendants aren't all that bad or the people of the past weren't all that great themselves.

Kids today are MUCH more aware of commercial manipulation than their parents & grandparents were.
A Coca-Cola ad campaign from the 1910s had the past generations believing that Santa Claus dressed in red & white (Coca-Cola's brand colors).
A DeBeers diamonds ad campaign from the 1930s had the past generations believing that you're supposed to give your fiancee a diamond ring to engage & a diamond ring to marry.
Got you paying TWICE for a worthless ass rock! Hahahahahahaha!

Ask George Carlin what the purpose of the Education System is & find yourself surprised.

The kids'll be alright.
You're alright & I guarantee you the same negative things were said about YOUR generation.
John Lucas

 

johnlucas

(1,250 posts)
36. Thanks for that. Had to let 'em know 'bout dat Zelda!
Sat Apr 5, 2014, 02:32 PM
Apr 2014

Out of the Nintendo 64 Zeldas which one appeals to you more?

Ocarina of Time or Majora's Mask.

It's like choosing between both of your children, isn't it?
John Lucas

countryjake

(8,554 posts)
37. First off, I'll let you know that I'm an old "fogey"...
Sat Apr 5, 2014, 03:57 PM
Apr 2014

and a woman, to boot. But I was a mother who, in the mid-eighties, fell in love with Zelda, encouraged my daughter to play it, and I've been hooked on all of those games (Nintendo) ever since. I completely agree with you that reading was such a large part of the Zelda series; while babysitting little ones, pre-school children who desperately wanted to "have the buttons", I actually saw them eventually figure out the text on the screen, in order to play. Of course, that was the result of my daughter freaking that they'd ruin her game, so we both set out to help them sound-out things, recognize words, and understand each clue.

Of your choices, I'll have to say that Ocarina probably is my favorite, tho I've played Majora so many times now, I can't really choose between them (like kids, yes). Also, I'd have to stick Wind Waker in there, too. My all time favorite would be A Link to the Past on the super NES, for purely nostalgic reasons. I dug up the entire grid (both light and dark worlds) with that damned little shovel.

We got the first NES in our county, before it was even released for sale in our area, and my living room was suddenly deluged with hordes of nine and ten year olds. Ours didn't come prepackaged with Mario and Duck Hunt, my kid's daddy only sent us the console and The Legend of Zelda, so that is what they all played.

 

villager

(26,001 posts)
27. don't fall into the young fogey trap of axiomatically denouncing earlier art forms & info platforms
Sat Apr 5, 2014, 12:33 PM
Apr 2014

...like you do with "text only."

It's kind of a rigid approach, que no?

The thing is , I agree with you about video games (though I'm about a half a generation "ahead" of the game wave, as it were).

I've written videogame scripts (in the early days of the industry) and also see what they've done for my literate, currently-in-college son (who also reads, btw -- text, graphic novels, etc.)

I write both comics and -- gasp! -- novels.

I'm in the midst of a script right now.

Each of these things does something differently from the other forms. And I think a well-rounded approach to how we find our stories (which I think is the real bottom line: we need good stories) is healthy for a culture...

 

johnlucas

(1,250 posts)
35. Very fair. I understand you.
Sat Apr 5, 2014, 02:30 PM
Apr 2014

Thank you for seeing the value of the videogame medium.
I understand your point & it was unfair for me to totally put down 'text only' mediums.

I just didn't want quinnox to do that same ol' "back in my day" routine that happens with every generation when they reach a certain age.
Went too far trying to make my point.

It's easy for the older generation to put down what the young folks are into.
BUT as you point out it's ALSO easy for the younger generation to dismiss what the old folks established.
We can learn from each other.

Kids are learning from comic books/comic strips & videogames right now. So go where the kids are.
Put the message in the forms they can relate to.
Half the stuff on the movie screens deals with comic characters & videogame characters nowadays.

J.K. Rowling made text-only books come alive with Harry Potter by using material that is appealing to younger generations without talking down to them or preaching to them.

Whatever we produce we must use each medium to express it not dismiss the medium just because.
Maybe a story could be told through Instagram. Who knows?
We can still use books, theater & older forms of media for expression ALONG with the newer media.

I definitely agree with you about good stories.
That's the whole purpose behind all of this in the end.
The oldest media was just people sitting around talking to each other after all.

Thank you for keeping me from falling into the young fogey trap.
John Lucas

 

villager

(26,001 posts)
39. Good reply. Yeah, we want to beware of "fogeyism" -- too much rigidity -- at any age!
Sat Apr 5, 2014, 04:29 PM
Apr 2014

Especially since we're talking about different versions of... talking around a campfire, ultimately.

You'll have to be careful about railing against 3-D virtual reality games when you're older!

(The actual problem there is if immersive artificial realities are used to keep people even more distracted from what's happening around them in "real reality," but I get ahead of myself...! )

enlightenment

(8,830 posts)
3. Funny. :)
Fri Apr 4, 2014, 02:05 PM
Apr 2014

I missed that since NPR is more of a listening experience for me (and it's pledge week, so I've retreated to the oldies rock station). I think you're right; most of us are guilty of the offense from time to time.

Nicely played, NPR.

JohnnyRingo

(18,623 posts)
9. For anyone who's ever posted an original thread...
Fri Apr 4, 2014, 02:52 PM
Apr 2014

I know how frustrating it is to be called an idiot and suspect the loudest critics never read a word I wrote. I suspected that because I've had to reiterate points made in the OP. After reading the comments here, I now realize my suspicions are, at least in part, valid.

It's true I can be a idiot - probably more often than not - but I'm sure I share the feelings of others that it would be nice if some held off on telling me what they think until they read the piece. One of the most common offenses here are those who read the headline and use it to go off on their favorite unrelated issue.

Thanx for reading.

enlightenment

(8,830 posts)
21. You're welcome.
Fri Apr 4, 2014, 04:26 PM
Apr 2014

I think it's a combination of issues, especially on a political message board like DU. People come here with a preconceived notion of what they will find (be that "Democrats", "Liberals", "Progressives", or some combination). Most sign up because they want to communicate with others that they believe carry the same values (the fact that it's a big tent seems to get lost in the shuffle sometimes).
Nothing wrong with that, of course, but sometimes that preconception seems to lead to shortcuts in thinking. The "I don't need to read the OP because I can tell from the title what it is going to say" approach. Or the "I'll just skim this post, because I know what it's going to say" approach. Both those things tend to miss the tenor and tone - the shading - of what is written; everything is just "blue". Not Navy or Cerulean or Aqua or Teal . . . just blue. It's a bit frustrating.

I will say that it isn't most or even many - I'm not trying to use a broad-brush on this picture.

 

truebrit71

(20,805 posts)
8. We've become used to the sound-byte mentality...that and instant gratification...
Fri Apr 4, 2014, 02:33 PM
Apr 2014

...why read when you can watch the movie, and if that's too long just watch the trailer and get the basic plot twist without actually having to sit still for 90 minutes to watch the movie...

I get annoyed with myself when I'm at home watching the idiot box and I find myself grabbing the smartphone and checking FB or twitter...and totally ignoring anything my wife might be saying...

We've become a nation of butterflies...and I HATE it...!!!

 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
10. I've turned my stepdaughter into a voracious reader.
Fri Apr 4, 2014, 03:01 PM
Apr 2014

We even bought her a Kindle so I could keep an ample supply of inexpensive ebooks in the pipeline. She's nine but I'm comfortable giving her fairly advanced material knowing she'll grasp it, and if not she'll ask the pertinent questions necessary to comprehend rather than just skimming by like a lot of younger readers.

I have less hope for her little brother, however. I keep him stocked with comics (he loves superheroes) and I'm hoping that will be the gateway to more advanced reading as he gets older.

I lived for books as a child and I read every day as an adult -- I don't understand people who don't gain pleasure from a book.

CK_John

(10,005 posts)
11. If your under 30, you're part of the visual world. Over 30 you're part of the memorize and serial
Fri Apr 4, 2014, 03:04 PM
Apr 2014

instruction world. It's app vs time thing.

IMO.

CBGLuthier

(12,723 posts)
14. Brilliant
Fri Apr 4, 2014, 03:13 PM
Apr 2014

and every unknowing reply is another pearl of absolute diamond hard brilliance. Oh they will be mad when they see how used they are.

JohnnyRingo

(18,623 posts)
20. Hopefully...
Fri Apr 4, 2014, 04:17 PM
Apr 2014

... They won't come back to check, or if they don't read the replies in a thread, they'll never know my overly worded post was part of an exercise of sorts.

I didn't mean to insult or belittle anyone here, but everytime I've posted an original piece, I swore it would be my last. I spend much of the ensuing discussion referring back to my OP.. which I always suspected they'd never read. Now I'm sure, and I feel somehow better for it. It's easier to overlook critics when I know they have no idea what I said.

countryjake

(8,554 posts)
18. In all the yrs I've been here, it's the links, the articles, I go for...
Fri Apr 4, 2014, 03:50 PM
Apr 2014

Our Latest Breaking News used to be chuck full of interesting current events and GD would have so many juicy pieces, I could spend hours reading articles, sometimes without ever actually getting back to the discussions they sparked. This whole place was a treasure trove of information and often, the two cents many offered were incredibly well-thought and intelligently written...actual discussion happened, ideology was examined, consciousness was raised.

NPR has brought up just what I think the problem is now with much of the innertubes...instant access to info has morphed into merely being instantaneous, tossing away whatever learning experience might be offered. Reading what some other person has written, absorbing the input, actually thinking about it, and comparing that to one's own experience, used to be the way our brains worked, a nifty little processing machine that almost all of us had at our disposal. Sadly, that magnificent device seems to be going the way of the typewriter.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,295 posts)
41. That's a little different; that indicates that not all the *replies* were read
Sat Apr 5, 2014, 04:45 PM
Apr 2014

before the replies about 'not Germany' were made (apart from #1, which didn't have any reply explaining it to read anyway). Not reading all replies is a bit more excusable than not reading a whole article before reacting to the Facebook 'come-on' (and, while it may be a widely-known phrase, there should be no expectation that we all know Animal House).

 

Vashta Nerada

(3,922 posts)
29. Hahahaha!
Sat Apr 5, 2014, 12:37 PM
Apr 2014

That was great of NPR.

I get the feeling many (or most) people who respond to OPs here on DU don't even read the actual article. They just read the four or so paragraphs (if even that) posted and throw in their nickels worth of comments.

rrneck

(17,671 posts)
32. Well, it seems to me that
Sat Apr 5, 2014, 12:40 PM
Apr 2014

around here at least anything over four hundred words or so doesn't get read. And two hundred is better. A lot of it is the format. Most people don't want to read something deep online, and that's where we do most of our reading.

My reading habits have changed. I got a Kindle, then I signed onto Audible. So now I listen to fiction about half the time, and the other half I listen to my traditional non fiction although I have to be careful because comprehension is a lot less, so it needs to be light stuff. When it comes to reading text the Kindle comes next and it will be non fiction stuff like history and current science as reference material. The Kindle format offers really handy search ability online.

So now I may listen to The Swerve and then buy The Nature of Things on paper. I have an OP in the Feminism group asking for good feminist authors, and the first thing I do is look for those books in Kindle format. Also, one DUer saved me ten bucks on a book with a very insightful summary of a book the other day.

pipi_k

(21,020 posts)
34. Hah...good one!
Sat Apr 5, 2014, 01:52 PM
Apr 2014

I certainly don't need to be convinced that people don't bother reading articles before commenting on them.

Or, perhaps they do, and, because they are biased toward a certain outcome or POV, they open the link, skim it, and miss key parts of the article.

Which is one reason I do read most articles before commenting on them...especially if someone posting the article suggests...or outright states...that ABC happened directly because of XYZ

Or that (Insert person's name here) said such and such

Often, what's posted and what the article actually says are not even close.

SomethingFishy

(4,876 posts)
38. Hehe... That was pretty funny... K&R
Sat Apr 5, 2014, 04:05 PM
Apr 2014

Too bad most of the people who commented probably never figured out the were "fooled".




LiberalAndProud

(12,799 posts)
40. Unsure as to proper procedure here.
Sat Apr 5, 2014, 04:39 PM
Apr 2014

Rec without comment? Failed at that, but did read both your OP and the link. Funny us.

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