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English Teacher Receives Letter From Student, (Original Post) kpete Apr 2014 OP
lol Jefferson23 Apr 2014 #1
Perfect response. MineralMan Apr 2014 #2
Not buying this. WinkyDink Apr 2014 #3
Me neither, who would jeopardize their grade like that? treestar Apr 2014 #5
Can you identify the student who wrote it? Thor_MN Apr 2014 #7
The teacher might be able to identify them treestar Apr 2014 #28
It isn't handwritten. n/t whopis01 Apr 2014 #31
Every teenager, ever? TransitJohn Apr 2014 #9
Just being a goofy kid. WinstonSmith4740 Apr 2014 #14
Oh, I've known PLENTY of kids who'd write something like that... Blue_Tires Apr 2014 #32
You definitely should "buy this" kylie5432 Apr 2014 #11
You called that right! wcast Apr 2014 #15
Former teacher here; I know from rude! I just think this is another fake-o deal. WinkyDink Apr 2014 #35
Totally bogus...contrived... ballyhoo Apr 2014 #13
Same LittleBlue Apr 2014 #21
I think I just learned something treestar Apr 2014 #4
And I was gently reminded not to begin my sentences with a conjunction. PotatoChip Apr 2014 #19
Actually, she's wrong on that. knitter4democracy Apr 2014 #33
It depends on what style guide you're using. Bibliovore Apr 2014 #20
Now, that's a great teacher. Glorfindel Apr 2014 #6
I remember this website: just a few things about it: niyad Apr 2014 #8
Why say "Fuck you" to a "pretty cool teacher [who] taught [them] a lot"? Nye Bevan Apr 2014 #10
You should buy this kylie5432 Apr 2014 #12
I believe what you are saying, but not what ballyhoo Apr 2014 #16
Lots. Igel Apr 2014 #23
What you said may have occurred prior to the late ballyhoo Apr 2014 #24
In the job market WHAT your major was is quite important. 11 Bravo Apr 2014 #27
The girl with the French major is going ballyhoo Apr 2014 #29
you've got to be kidding. NJCher Apr 2014 #17
It happens. I've been called all sorts of things. knitter4democracy Apr 2014 #34
we don't know all the facts of this bluestateguy Apr 2014 #18
Fake chrisa Apr 2014 #22
Astonishingly ballsy... 3catwoman3 Apr 2014 #25
LOL! If the student's intent was to make a complete ass of him/herself, he/she succeeded! Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2014 #26
Delish malaise Apr 2014 #30

treestar

(82,383 posts)
5. Me neither, who would jeopardize their grade like that?
Sun Apr 6, 2014, 10:26 AM
Apr 2014

Maybe if they already got into college?

But they said they learned a lot from her, too, so why would they have such hatred of the class?

 

Thor_MN

(11,843 posts)
7. Can you identify the student who wrote it?
Sun Apr 6, 2014, 10:44 AM
Apr 2014

It isn't signed. It isn't handwritten. Unless it was personally handed to the teacher, there isn't any way to identify the person who wrote it.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
28. The teacher might be able to identify them
Sun Apr 6, 2014, 06:02 PM
Apr 2014

by their handwriting and general style. It's a discipline problem. Reminds me of Marcia Brady being unfairly accused of making a mocking drawing of a teacher.

WinstonSmith4740

(3,055 posts)
14. Just being a goofy kid.
Sun Apr 6, 2014, 11:18 AM
Apr 2014
so why would they have such hatred of the class?

They probably don't hate the class so much...s/he used the correct form of "you're", so somewhere along the line, the class was listening! I just think this is a severe case of "senioritis". My kids at school are already infected and ready to GO.

I wouldn't doubt for a minute this is real. You'd be amazed at how many kids don't put their names on papers they're handing in for credit. The cloud of anonymity makes the comments/language almost expected. Kids today use profanity like you & I breathe. I'll also be willing to bet this was one of the "tougher" kids in class, who may have given her a hard time, but deep inside really liked her. The kids I spend all year butting heads with are ALWAYS the ones who come back to visit.

Your comment about college is right on the money...I just read an article to my classes about how colleges are now looking at tweets, facebook postings, etc. to get a better "feel" for the student, and it's causing colleges to rescind acceptances.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
32. Oh, I've known PLENTY of kids who'd write something like that...
Sun Apr 6, 2014, 08:00 PM
Apr 2014

They're usually the "don't you know who my parents are?" -type...

 

kylie5432

(34 posts)
11. You definitely should "buy this"
Sun Apr 6, 2014, 11:10 AM
Apr 2014

You would not believe the rude, anti-intellectual students of today's classroom. I had a student who was 19, couldn't pass the high school exit exam, was always insulting me and tried to sleep through my final. I had to send him to the principal so he could write his essay on Japanese internment and finally get out of my class after failing it 3 quarters straight. The issue was he wanted to stay on campus because he was a big fish in a little pond but was also dragging other kids down.

These students do exist and there are more of them. There was one really rude student who every teacher had issues with and she would never constantly on her cell phone in class. She was finally kicked out but not before writing "Fuck you" to me on her folder. Of course most students are fine but the rude ones are getting worse.

wcast

(595 posts)
15. You called that right!
Sun Apr 6, 2014, 11:23 AM
Apr 2014

Unless you are in the schools on a daily basis you don't realize how much anti-intellectualism there is in society today. (Of course DU knows). With both cable news and the internet, everyone thinks their opinion is what counts no matter the lack of facts. School boards pessure administration who then pressure teachers to allow this type of behavior to exist.

knitter4democracy

(14,350 posts)
33. Actually, she's wrong on that.
Sun Apr 6, 2014, 08:17 PM
Apr 2014

That sentences was correct, just needing the comma after the introductory subordinate clause.

Bibliovore

(185 posts)
20. It depends on what style guide you're using.
Sun Apr 6, 2014, 12:43 PM
Apr 2014

Some want any non-proper-noun word that follows a colon to be lowercase; some say that if what follows a colon could stand on its own as a complete sentence (or, for the Chicago Manual of Style, if it's two or more sentences), it should be capitalized as if it were a complete sentence.

Gotta love standardized English.

niyad

(113,049 posts)
8. I remember this website: just a few things about it:
Sun Apr 6, 2014, 10:59 AM
Apr 2014

. . . .


. . . .


"The R-rated stuff accounts for a small minority of our overall traffic and content offering," he says. "Raunchy comedy is definitely a part of the TFM brand, but that's not solely what defines the brand. It's comedy and entertainment for 18- to 24-year-old males, so this type of content will always be a part of the TFM offering."

Other content published by Grandex has been criticized as racist, sexist, and classist.

An early TFM one-liner might be interpreted as a joke about nonconsensual sex: “Had to buy plan B the next day because neither of us remembered the details of everything that went down after the bar. At least she let me use her dad’s credit card. TFM.”
. . .


Sometimes, TFM draws attention to inappropriate college behavior and encourages reform. In October, a leaked email from a Georgia Tech fraternity, Phi Kappa Tau, was published by Total Frat Move; it read like a how-to guide on raping women and was signed “In luring rapebait.”

Total Frat Move called the email the “rapiest ever.” Within hours, Gawker site Jezebel picked up the story. The email made national headlines and was discussed on CBS. Thanks to the attention TFM brought to the email, the Georgia Tech fraternity was put on probation and the email’s sender was suspended from the house. The offender issued a public apology: “I am deeply sorry ... As hard as it may be to believe, it was written as a joke for a small audience that understood the context and that it is neither my nor my fraternity’s actual beliefs on the subject. I have now come to realize this is a very serious topic that should not be taken lightly.”

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/how-total-frat-move-and-grandex-were-founded-2014-3#ixzz2y7OJrXnx

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
10. Why say "Fuck you" to a "pretty cool teacher [who] taught [them] a lot"?
Sun Apr 6, 2014, 11:06 AM
Apr 2014

I'm not buying this either.

 

kylie5432

(34 posts)
12. You should buy this
Sun Apr 6, 2014, 11:12 AM
Apr 2014

Being a teacher in the city, this doesn't surprise me at all. Students are becoming more resistant to reading literature and writing. They also have no social skills and some students will say to me they really like my teaching but that I give too much work and am "not fair."
This is their way of saying they want to slide through the class without doing any work.

 

ballyhoo

(2,060 posts)
16. I believe what you are saying, but not what
Sun Apr 6, 2014, 11:24 AM
Apr 2014

the letter said, including not starting a sentence with a conjunction http://blog.oxforddictionaries.com/2012/01/can-i-start-a-sentence-with-a-conjunction/ Ridiculous.

I understand why students are now resistant to learning. With almost 300,000 college grads working at minimum wage, what exactly is the payoff for getting a good educaton? One can make $20-$25 an hour putting in garbage disposals.

This is just another part of the revolution.

Igel

(35,274 posts)
23. Lots.
Sun Apr 6, 2014, 01:36 PM
Apr 2014

More education correlates with higher pay. It's not a 1.00 correlation, but still pretty good.

More education correlates with better health.

More education correlates with greater social trust and cohesion.

More education correlates with lower criminality.

More education correlates with less poverty--even at the same payscale, more education means better fiscal health.

More education correlates with having kids who are more educated. Therefore, on average, wealthier, healthier, and spending less time in jail. (Not every parent's goal, I guess--having wealthier, healthier kids not in jail. To each his own.)

Etc.

Etc.

Etc.

It's not just all about $.

More education also tends to correlate with longer time-horizons for planning purposes. So most of those college grads making minimum wage will see greater, faster advancement in their work than those who have a high-school degree, however impatient they are now. Even now, college grads making minimum wage have a far lower unemployment rate than people with just a high-school degree. (And let's not even talk high-school drop outs.)

 

ballyhoo

(2,060 posts)
24. What you said may have occurred prior to the late
Sun Apr 6, 2014, 03:04 PM
Apr 2014

ninties--but not now. The two girls that live next to me are case in point. One graduated two years ago from UCLA with a major in French and a minor in History. The second graduated from UCSB with a major in Political Science. One is working waiting tables, the other as a bar maid. Neither has any job prospects. And once they get to the 3-year mark--they won't. Could this be an unusual case? Sure. But I saw this stuff every day when I was working HR for a travel agency. I got my daughter a good job for a well-know company and she didn't even have a degree. Know how? I paid an employment counselor. And that's the way it is.

11 Bravo

(23,926 posts)
27. In the job market WHAT your major was is quite important.
Sun Apr 6, 2014, 05:50 PM
Apr 2014

Someone with a degree in French might land a teaching position, but in today's world I'm not sure what one could do with a Poli Sci degree.

 

ballyhoo

(2,060 posts)
29. The girl with the French major is going
Sun Apr 6, 2014, 06:04 PM
Apr 2014

to France to get a Masters, except I am not certain her parents have the money. The girl with the Poly Science major may join a police department as a Dispatcher Trainee. The UCLA girl may do all right because of the name UCLA. Very prestigious college. I wish I would have gone there rather than UCLB. I feel badly for both girls, but I am now instructing young people to consider going into trade training program--high priced ones if they can afford it. A whole different world.

NJCher

(35,619 posts)
17. you've got to be kidding.
Sun Apr 6, 2014, 11:46 AM
Apr 2014

You think this person understands continuity? Cohesiveness? Having a topic sentence and following through?

No, of course not! It is totally in keeping for a student at this level to start out one way and end up another.

Take your knowledge of writing out of it: it doesn't factor into it with students at this level. They don't know how to make a point and follow through.

They do, however, know how to blather.

There may be some future for them as Fox News reporters.


Cher

knitter4democracy

(14,350 posts)
34. It happens. I've been called all sorts of things.
Sun Apr 6, 2014, 08:20 PM
Apr 2014

The c-word, racist, bitch, you name it, and I've had kids tell me to fuck off and worse many times, even kids who later told me that I was their favorite teacher and that they learned more in my class than in their previous English classes.

bluestateguy

(44,173 posts)
18. we don't know all the facts of this
Sun Apr 6, 2014, 12:10 PM
Apr 2014

Obviously a poorly written diatribe. Kid may have been drunk or stoned.

Or maybe she really is a bad teacher. Who knows?

I have one friend who was insulted and mocked all year long by a math teacher who never liked him. She gave him C's and D's. Three years later he took calculus in college and earned an A. During Christmas break, he trekked back up to his old high school, with a copy of his college transcripts and his calculus A-grade highlighted. He scribbled a note on his transcript copy: "I guess it all just depends on the quality of the teacher", and placed it in his old high school teacher's campus mailbox.

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