Kansas teacher and more importantly Kansas Children just LOST BIG TIME

[demtenjeep]

We just lost due process rights, bargaining rights, and our salary schedule by a vote of 63-57. They needed 63 votes to pass. What a sad day for Kansas. Who would want to teach here now? — at Kansas State Capitol.

[senseandsensibility]

1. I'm so sorry.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

2. The Koch brothers and all who enable them need to be hunted down and dealt with as the

treacherous subversives that they are!

[demtenjeep]

3. final vote

Here's the list:
On roll call, the vote was: Yeas 63; Nays 57; Present but not voting: 0; Absent or not voting: 5.
Yeas: Barker, Bradford, Bruchman, Brunk, Couture-Lovelady, Carlson, Carpenter, Cassidy, Christmann, Claeys, Corbet, Crum, E. Davis, DeGraaf, Dove, Edwards, Esau, Estes, Gandhi, Garber, Goico, Grosserode, Hawkins, Hedke, Highland, Hildabrand, Hoffman, Houser, Howell, Huebert, Hutton, Johnson, Jones, Kahrs, Kelley, Kiegerl, Kinzer, Kleeb, Lunn, Macheers, Mason, Mast, McPherson, Meigs, Merrick, O'Brien, Osterman, Peck, Powell, Read, Rhoades, Rothlisberg, Rubin, Ryckman Jr., Ryckman Sr., Schwab, Seiwert, Suellentrop, Thimesch, Thompson, Todd, Vickrey, Waymaster.
Nays: Alcala, Alford, Anthimides, Ballard, Becker, Boldra, Bollier, Bridges, Burroughs, Campbell, Carmichael, Clayton, Concannon, Curtis, P. Davis, Dierks, Doll, Edmonds, Ewy, Finch, Finney, Frownfelter, Gonzalez, Henderson, Henry, Hibbard, Hineman, Jennings, Kelly, Kuether, Lane, Lusk, Lusker, Meier, Menghini, Moxley, Pauls, Perry, Petty, Phillips, Proehl, Rooker, Ruiz, Sawyer, Schroeder, Sloan, Sloop, Swanson, Tietze, Trimmer, Victors, Ward, Weigel, Whipple, Wilson, Winn, Wolfe Moore.
Present but not voting: None.
Absent or not voting: Carlin, Hill, Houston, Schwartz, Sutton.

[stranger81]

21. glad to see my old high school English teacher/debate coach voted "NO" on this atrocity

Kudos to Ed Trimmer (D-Winfield) for never failing to do the right thing. And for being a hell of a teacher himself.

[demtenjeep]

4. I think I am just about done

with everything including life

[roguevalley]

9. i hear you.

[demtenjeep]

5. turncoats

There were ten representatives who buckled under the pressure of the Brownbackistanian Ultracons and changed their vote from "no" early this morning to "yes" tonight:

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Don't know what to say, but it seems the word turncoat would be appropriate...

[madfloridian]

6. Florida teachers lost their rights in 2011.

It's a year to year job now with no rights.

Recommended with my sympathies.

[blkmusclmachine]

7. The politicos INTEND to destroy public education. And the Third Way DEMS are more than willing to

oblige.

[pffshht]

11. This has me thinking- if the US gets rid of public education, will we be the only nation without?

Not quite, in a quick web search, I found Nepal, Cote d'Ivore, Chad, and Sudan.

That's how bad a future they envision for us and are working to bring about. The 21st century endgame, as I see it- jobs will come back here only when we 'win' the race to the bottom; and our millions of desperate illiterate shanty-town dwellers will supply the sweatshop labor for China and India's growing middle class. And the DJIA will be doing just swell...

[Triana]

8. Details...

http://m.dailykos.com/story/2014/04/05/1289986/-Kansas-State-House-in-an-Education-Showdown-on-a-Saturday-night

[DesertRat]

10. That's just awful

[nikto]

12. Someday...

This country will reap what it sows.


Ain't gonna' be pretty.

[Starry Messenger]

13. K&R

Sickening.

[bluestateguy]

14. They should all just Go Galt and strike from their jobs

Let all the schools have no teachers until this bill is shelved.

And if they think that teaching kids is something that just anybody can do they'll be in for a rude shock.

[madfloridian]

15. Did you see this? Found at Twitter. Love it.

https://twitter.com/MikeLoBurgio/status/452795842236137472

[demtenjeep]

16. that is good

thanks for that

[Art_from_Ark]

22. If politicians had to rely on merit pay,

most of them would be working for less than minimum wage.

[demtenjeep]

17. THEY HAD to REDEFINE TEACHERS TO EXCLUDE K-12 TEACHERS

They couldn't abolish due process; that would go against the 1957 KS Supreme Ct decision that established due process for teachers. So they redefined "teacher" to exclude K-12 teachers.

[demtenjeep]

19. new law will be unconstituitional

The case law on this is fascinating (at least to me). We've had due process laws since 1937. The 1957 case, from what I can gather, also said that the 14th Amendment protected all state employees (due process clause), and it further justified due process. In 1974, the Legislature passed a new due process law that superceded other laws, but it still made it clear that teachers had due process. There have been several Supreme Court cases that upheld due process for teachers. The fascists think they can redefine what a teacher is, like calling the color red, blue. But I think a challenge would be successful. BTW, gotta hand it to KNEA's David Schauner. That man has really put together a strong legal argument that this new law will be unconstituitional.

[Liberal_in_LA]

18. sorry

[greymattermom]

20. Certification? College degree?

The next step it to eliminate teacher certification requirements, as is common in private schools. After that, eliminate the requirement for college degrees. After that, part time, no benefits. Kids will see several different teachers during the school year. Kansas will lose business.