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The Straight Story

(48,121 posts)
Mon Apr 7, 2014, 10:59 AM Apr 2014

Paulina Gretzky makes Golf Digest cover because she looks really good in lycra.Is this bad for golf?

THERE’S a major debate raging in the golfing world this week and it’s got nothing to do with who’s going to win the Masters which starts on Thursday.

It’s all about Paulina Gretzky, the glamorous daughter of ice hockey great Wayne Gretzky, who has appeared on the cover of US golf magazine Golf Digest for no other apparent reason than she looks good in white lycra and is engaged to world number 10 golfer Dustin Johnson.

Here she is in all her glory. There’s even a bogus editorial tie-in called “6 Moves to Lower Scores”, in which Gretzky presumably gives all the priceless tips she’s accumulated in her four months or so as an amateur golfer.

...


Mike Whan, commissioner of America’s Ladies Professional Golf Association (LPGA), teed off at the magazine, saying “Obviously we’re disappointed and frustrated by the editorial direction (and timing) Golf Digest has chosen with the announcement of its most recent magazine cover,”

“If a magazine called Golf Digest is interested in showcasing females in the game, yet consistently steers away from the true superstars who’ve made history over the last few years, something is clearly wrong

http://www.news.com.au/sport/golf/paulina-gretzky-makes-golf-digest-cover-because-she-looks-really-good-in-lycra-so-is-this-bad-for-golf/story-fndkztro-1226877177541

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Paulina Gretzky makes Golf Digest cover because she looks really good in lycra.Is this bad for golf? (Original Post) The Straight Story Apr 2014 OP
It's almost as if Golf Digest's primary interest is sales of Golf Digest cthulu2016 Apr 2014 #1
Heh. Desert805 Apr 2014 #105
They are interested in magazine sales, nothing more n2doc Apr 2014 #2
Appears they are not to be taken seriously about reporting golf treestar Apr 2014 #3
Mama always said, "Don't judge a book by it's cover" (nt) The Straight Story Apr 2014 #5
Honestly... You want to defend this? Really? Nice slap to all the female pros who have earned hlthe2b Apr 2014 #12
What is it you think I am defending? The Straight Story Apr 2014 #16
I'd say ^^this^^ reply makes it quite self-evident. hlthe2b Apr 2014 #18
That answer is ridiculous! Desert805 Apr 2014 #107
And your post seems little more than slut-shaming with baseless accusations of sluttiness. Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2014 #57
It has nothing to do with the woman portrayed and everything to do with the fact they chose hlthe2b Apr 2014 #60
Is there, like, a checklist of all the covers they must publish before they're allowed to Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2014 #68
Your comment is not even worth the time... It is YOU who brought up the term hlthe2b Apr 2014 #81
I feel remarkably unashamed. Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2014 #83
Your agenda is to apply straw-man arguments where they don't exist to flame bait hlthe2b Apr 2014 #84
The last woman appeared last year for the same Fit issue in May maddezmom Apr 2014 #85
"No one--repeat NO ONE hs made her attractiveness the specific issue, except YOU" Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2014 #88
I dunno, but the same company (Conde Nast) owns a few other mags that may shed some light The Straight Story Apr 2014 #90
From your list let's see what other magazines Ms. Gretzky might qualify for -- Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2014 #92
Defend what? Desert805 Apr 2014 #106
The purpose of the magazine is to sell golf clubs. lumberjack_jeff Apr 2014 #4
and what could be more serious than golf anyway? hfojvt Apr 2014 #9
That picture appeals to more men than just golfers. upaloopa Apr 2014 #6
It's been on the TV news because some women golfers felt disrespected by the cover. I don't blame seaglass Apr 2014 #8
And? upaloopa Apr 2014 #22
You said we wouldn't know about it without this OP and I said the story has been on the news - is seaglass Apr 2014 #25
No woman on the cover since 2008? Now that's important info. It brings this cover into perspective mulsh Apr 2014 #24
They will have done extensive demographic surveying. Lizzie Poppet Apr 2014 #32
Well as far as I know it did start with LPGAers speaking out about the cover. Do you consider seaglass Apr 2014 #40
You would if you read any number of other news sources on the web. hlthe2b Apr 2014 #14
We probably fit into upaloopa's category of men haters who think old white men are the cause seaglass Apr 2014 #19
I thought no one read my posts. upaloopa Apr 2014 #26
Why would you think no one reads your posts? I don't know any men haters so I can't say they seaglass Apr 2014 #37
No I don't have issues with women. upaloopa Apr 2014 #39
Gee we just invented sexism! upaloopa Apr 2014 #23
... hlthe2b Apr 2014 #27
I said agenda you added the rest upaloopa Apr 2014 #30
From the post of yours that another posted upstream, many would see your comment as projection. hlthe2b Apr 2014 #31
So what is it that makes what you say so upaloopa Apr 2014 #35
More projection. It is YOUR post that accused hlthe2b Apr 2014 #41
You just made all that up in your mind. upaloopa Apr 2014 #42
Once again and here is the link previously provided of YOUR OWN WORDS hlthe2b Apr 2014 #43
Man you really need everyone here to see me as you do. upaloopa Apr 2014 #45
Can't stand by your own words by which others will judge you? hlthe2b Apr 2014 #47
Do and say what you need to I don't care upaloopa Apr 2014 #52
That is quite obvious (and sad) hlthe2b Apr 2014 #53
And absolutely nowhere in that post does he do what you said .... oldhippie Apr 2014 #50
He most certainly did accuse some Du women of "hating men" You are being disingenuous hlthe2b Apr 2014 #51
Do you think 'some' men on DU hate women (misogyny)? (nt) The Straight Story Apr 2014 #54
I have no opinion on that. upaloopa Apr 2014 #63
They must interest you some, you brought up the topic via a previous post The Straight Story Apr 2014 #65
Why do you need this to go on and on? upaloopa Apr 2014 #66
Moving the goalposts again, are we? oldhippie Apr 2014 #55
His words speak for themselves. hlthe2b Apr 2014 #58
I rest my case ....... oldhippie Apr 2014 #59
Given, he too admits his words were "poorly chosen", you missed making your case. hlthe2b Apr 2014 #61
Those were sure not the best choice of words by me. upaloopa Apr 2014 #56
Nonsense. Orrex Apr 2014 #28
Yeah... (and undoubtedly the less model-like appearance, the more they appear) n/t hlthe2b Apr 2014 #29
What's her handicap? Capt. Obvious Apr 2014 #7
She's pretty slow on faceoffs. Dr. Strange Apr 2014 #13
I heard she has trouble with the change-up. n/t cherokeeprogressive Apr 2014 #17
Her breasts, apparently. Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2014 #62
You are aware she's not a golfer? kcr Apr 2014 #87
"You are aware she's not a golfer?" Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2014 #89
What does the LPGA have to do with it? Are they affiliated with the magazine? kcr Apr 2014 #93
The LPGA figures prominently in the article cited in the OP. Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2014 #97
They still don't have anything to do with who is featured on the cover of a magazine. kcr Apr 2014 #100
The LPGA is the association mentioned in the article maddezmom Apr 2014 #99
So? kcr Apr 2014 #101
It is predominately a men's magazine so I guess featuring women golfers maddezmom Apr 2014 #102
I didn't realize golf was a men's sport kcr Apr 2014 #110
Women's golf just isn't close to as popular as men's golf.... woolldog Apr 2014 #111
That tired explanation kcr Apr 2014 #114
There's a demand for some women's sports.... woolldog Apr 2014 #115
There just isn't that much demand for golf as a sports event, period. kcr Apr 2014 #119
I thought the question/issue was why don't we see LPGA golfers on the cover? woolldog Apr 2014 #121
Of course it isn't just a for men, I play myself. maddezmom Apr 2014 #113
Well, that would be my whole point. kcr Apr 2014 #116
Not sure if it is struggling but I do know it is the #1 golf magazine maddezmom Apr 2014 #118
It says that golf is no more (or less)sexist than the rest of the sporting world. riqster Apr 2014 #10
Celebrity endorsement... rrneck Apr 2014 #11
Not bad for golf. But could well be bad for Golf Digest. Nye Bevan Apr 2014 #15
I'll have you know Capt. Obvious Apr 2014 #21
First time I've ever seen Golf Digest in the news LittleBlue Apr 2014 #20
Golf Digest's Goal is to Sell Stuff. MineralMan Apr 2014 #33
A year ago they had Holly Sonders on the cover AngryAmish Apr 2014 #34
Well if it raises the subscription ratet from whistler162 Apr 2014 #36
You'd be shocked at the circulation figures for this magazine jmowreader Apr 2014 #67
Golf? She's a fucking right-winger and bad for humanity. Tom Ripley Apr 2014 #38
she is? what did she say? dionysus Apr 2014 #46
Paulina Gretzky tweets anti-Obama photo Tom Ripley Apr 2014 #70
ugh. what a twit. dionysus Apr 2014 #71
Take off to the Great White North, hoser KamaAina Apr 2014 #78
Have to admit that I bought this issue MO_Moderate Apr 2014 #44
... woolldog Apr 2014 #112
Helped me with my "handi-cap" also. Munificence Apr 2014 #120
Looking to add a few Strokes to the game? seveneyes Apr 2014 #48
Marketing sells magazines maddezmom Apr 2014 #49
very few of the LPGA golfers appear on their cover, even when they win majors..hence the controversy spanone Apr 2014 #64
Golf is fading, particularly among young people BeyondGeography Apr 2014 #69
well, more open tee times for me then! dionysus Apr 2014 #73
It's good for golf....Digest. yellowcanine Apr 2014 #72
The commissioner of the LPGA is named "Mike"? KamaAina Apr 2014 #74
I believe they have all been male with the exception of Carolyn Bevins maddezmom Apr 2014 #76
That's what "looking good" is these days? She needs a sandwich or ten NickB79 Apr 2014 #75
Or perhaps some Timbits KamaAina Apr 2014 #77
Well, it's better than this other sportswoman. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2014 #79
Jesus Christ, put up a disclaimer first! NickB79 Apr 2014 #80
No kidding! RiffRandell Apr 2014 #94
It's fake. Here's the original. pintobean Apr 2014 #96
Are people really fooled by the fake Palin? caraher Apr 2014 #117
Her pose is intentionally provocative (ass in the air). She/they could have done something way less KittyWampus Apr 2014 #82
She's a handsome woman. Definitely looks like her dad. Hassin Bin Sober Apr 2014 #86
A pretty girl on a magazine cover? Wabbajack_ Apr 2014 #91
Never, so people need to focus on more important things. nt. RiffRandell Apr 2014 #95
Jury results pintobean Apr 2014 #103
Looks like the alerter got a break due to an error. RiffRandell Apr 2014 #104
Who the hell thinks of porn pintobean Apr 2014 #108
It also looks like she's wearing yoga pants. RiffRandell Apr 2014 #98
If not for her dad no one would care about Paulina. alp227 Apr 2014 #109
This cover has as much to do with golf as zabet Apr 2014 #122

n2doc

(47,953 posts)
2. They are interested in magazine sales, nothing more
Mon Apr 7, 2014, 11:05 AM
Apr 2014

Just like SI does with its "swimsuit issue". Lots of magazines do this.

hlthe2b

(102,058 posts)
12. Honestly... You want to defend this? Really? Nice slap to all the female pros who have earned
Mon Apr 7, 2014, 12:13 PM
Apr 2014

a place on the cover.

So, in this case, I'd say the cover very clearly signifies the book.

The Straight Story

(48,121 posts)
16. What is it you think I am defending?
Mon Apr 7, 2014, 12:18 PM
Apr 2014

You made the remark that basically judged a book by it's cover which is what I was replying to.

I don't read the magazine. I get why they did it (increase sales, get a story out, etc) but that doesn't mean if I was a golfer I would like the idea (I like Chess, and if a chess magazine had a cover like that it wouldn't make me want to buy it but it wouldn't stop me either if I had been reading it for some time and enjoyed the coverage - I wouldn't let the cover change my perception of the magazine's contents).

Either they will increase sales or not (and by not that means less or same amount of sales). Everyone involved exercised free choice.

Personally, as noted, I don't see it's allure but that does not mean I wouldn't get it if I liked golfing.

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
57. And your post seems little more than slut-shaming with baseless accusations of sluttiness.
Mon Apr 7, 2014, 02:02 PM
Apr 2014

Why does the fact a woman embraces her sexiness suddenly disqualify her from participation? How about letting her define herself. If you don't like sexy women don't look. She gets to decide who she wants to be and you get to decide who you want to be. That's the fairest exchange.

hlthe2b

(102,058 posts)
60. It has nothing to do with the woman portrayed and everything to do with the fact they chose
Mon Apr 7, 2014, 02:05 PM
Apr 2014

a woman who is NOT a golf pro, but merely engaged to a pro--when they haven't had a women representative of the sport on the cover since 2006.

I did not "slut-shame'. That is totally missing the issue (and f I had to guess, INTENTIONALLY). SHame on YOU, if so.

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
68. Is there, like, a checklist of all the covers they must publish before they're allowed to
Mon Apr 7, 2014, 02:42 PM
Apr 2014

publish one with a sexy woman? Near as I can tell no such checklist exists. I can't even imagine how ridiculous such a scenario would be.

Editor 1: Who should be on our upcoming cover?

Editor 2: How about Gretzky's fiancé?

Editor 1: No! We can't do that! She's totally hot! No hot chicks until we first get some others who aren't hot.

*presses intercom*

Editor 1: Sheila, get me a list of all the unattractive female golfers.

Sheila: Bite me, you jackass.

I did not "slut-shame'.


So you say but here you are telling Ms. Gretzky she must hide her succubus form from the eyes of wanting men who may be tempted by her thus propagating sexism in society. Please tell me how that is even remotely different from some magistrate asking why a woman dressed "that way" if she didn't want to be sexually objectified.

She gets to define who she is. If some cretin out there in the far away land where they read golf magazines is a misogynist sexist bag of ass it is HIS fault, not hers. All your complaint is doing is shifting his guilt on to her and she deserves none of it.

Heck, the part of the story that got me scratching my head and blinking with incredulity is the fact the commissioner of LPGA is a man.

hlthe2b

(102,058 posts)
81. Your comment is not even worth the time... It is YOU who brought up the term
Mon Apr 7, 2014, 05:16 PM
Apr 2014

and the concept of "slut-shaming" which NO ONE here is doing. No one has even hinted at any issue other than her not being representative of the same caliber of woman golfer as is the norm for ALL of the cover features for the men.

Thus, YOUR agenda is all too clear--and UGLY.

Again, SHAME ON YOU for such ugly agenda and tangents.

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
83. I feel remarkably unashamed.
Mon Apr 7, 2014, 05:35 PM
Apr 2014
Thus, YOUR agenda is all too clear--and UGLY.


What, pray tell, is my agenda supposed to be other than the plainly stated argument that her attractiveness is not cause for keeping her from public view by whatever venue she is willing to indulge.

hlthe2b

(102,058 posts)
84. Your agenda is to apply straw-man arguments where they don't exist to flame bait
Mon Apr 7, 2014, 05:51 PM
Apr 2014

No one--repeat NO ONE hs made her attractiveness the specific issue, except YOU. The woman on the cover is not representative of the same caliber of woman's golfer (e.g., PRO) as those male golfers that merit every title in the intervening months and years since the last woman appeared in 2006. That a PGA woman player was not chosen, but instead a spouse of a male pro is the issue. Clearly that choice WAS NOT made because she was the best woman golfer of the current time. THAT is sexist and wrong. Unless male models are going to replace the current best male golfers on the covers, this is SEXIST and wrong.

And, yes, YOUR agenda is quite transparent.

maddezmom

(135,060 posts)
85. The last woman appeared last year for the same Fit issue in May
Mon Apr 7, 2014, 05:57 PM
Apr 2014

Perhaps your 2006 refers to the last time a woman pro-golfer was on ther cover?

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
88. "No one--repeat NO ONE hs made her attractiveness the specific issue, except YOU"
Mon Apr 7, 2014, 06:15 PM
Apr 2014

Uh -- the thread title itself is about how Ms. Gretzky looks really good in lycra and your posts, including this one, is a complaint that she got the cover when other female golfers didn't.

Tell me: WHY did Ms. Gretzky get the cover?

The Straight Story

(48,121 posts)
90. I dunno, but the same company (Conde Nast) owns a few other mags that may shed some light
Mon Apr 7, 2014, 06:21 PM
Apr 2014

Fashion and lifestyle

Vogue
W
Glamour
Allure
Self
Teen Vogue
GQ
Details
Lucky

Home

Architectural Digest

Bridal

Brides

Golf

Golf Digest
Golf World

Food

Bon Appétit
Epicurious
ZipList

Travel

Condé Nast Traveler

Technology

Wired
Ars Technica
Reddit

Culture

Vanity Fair
The New Yorker

FFM

WWD
Style.com

Guessing a cover like this is nothing new to them


Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
92. From your list let's see what other magazines Ms. Gretzky might qualify for --
Mon Apr 7, 2014, 06:35 PM
Apr 2014

Vogue/W/Glamour/Allure - fashion magazines for women, she is a fashionable woman
Self - she has a self
Teen Vogue - she was once a teenager
GQ - this is a gimme
Lucky - Well, yeah, she is
Architectural Digest - she lives in a home
Brides - she is, in fact, engaged to be married

Bon Appétit - Probably not. I'm pretty sure she's bulimic
Epicurious - Why not, it sounds vaguely pronographic
ZipList - Um...next

Condé Nast Traveler - she has traveled

Wired - she knows how to use a TV remote
Ars Technica - she has surfed the internet
Reddit - maybe not that much, but she has surfed the internet

Vanity Fair - she knows big words too
The New Yorker - just like all other Americans, she just doesn't get the cartoons

Desert805

(392 posts)
106. Defend what?
Mon Apr 7, 2014, 09:26 PM
Apr 2014

Is the magazine cover reserved for professionals?

No.


Jesus, this is gonna be another 4 weeks of magazine cover "debate."

*eyeroll*

 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
4. The purpose of the magazine is to sell golf clubs.
Mon Apr 7, 2014, 11:12 AM
Apr 2014

We can argue that the cover is effective or ineffective at selling shit, but its ridiculous to say that it somehow undermines the seriousness of the publication.

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
9. and what could be more serious than golf anyway?
Mon Apr 7, 2014, 11:54 AM
Apr 2014

But now the controversy over the cover is getting more publicity, right?

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
6. That picture appeals to more men than just golfers.
Mon Apr 7, 2014, 11:40 AM
Apr 2014

My guess it is an attempt to get more men to open the magazine than would otherwise
Thus more men are going to see the ads inside.
It is called marketing.
If it doesn't appeal to you leave it in the rack.

The very fact that this OP exists is a tribute to the effectiveness of the strategy.
Most likely none of us would even know the cover picture existed without this OP

seaglass

(8,171 posts)
8. It's been on the TV news because some women golfers felt disrespected by the cover. I don't blame
Mon Apr 7, 2014, 11:52 AM
Apr 2014

them. Paulina's association with golf is that she's engaged to a professional golfer. Haven't had a women golfer on the cover since 2008.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/more-sports/paulina-gretzky-golf-digest-cover-fire-article-1.1746710

The fact that this OP exists is a testament to what the person who wrote the OP is interested in.

seaglass

(8,171 posts)
25. You said we wouldn't know about it without this OP and I said the story has been on the news - is
Mon Apr 7, 2014, 12:40 PM
Apr 2014

there something confusing about that?

mulsh

(2,959 posts)
24. No woman on the cover since 2008? Now that's important info. It brings this cover into perspective
Mon Apr 7, 2014, 12:40 PM
Apr 2014

I sure wish the public discussion started at that point rather than ourrage at a photogenic young woman on the cover.

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
32. They will have done extensive demographic surveying.
Mon Apr 7, 2014, 12:51 PM
Apr 2014

Like any competent media organization these days, I have no doubt that the people running Golf Digest know quite a bit about their readership. They'll know a lot about their current readership, and they'll have obtained considerable insight into their best prospects for new readers. The recreational publication market (both digital and "dead tree&quot is ridiculously competitive, and extensive demographic research is a business essential, not an option.

The obvious conclusion is that the market they target is really, really responsive to pictures of pretty women in lycra (quelle surprise!). This overwhelmingly male market segment doesn't follow women's golf all that closely...so LPGA players seldom make the cover and there are a lot more stories on male pros (and instructional stuff, the other big reason people buy GD).

The thinking behind the cover of any major publication is absolutely simple to reverse engineer from what's on that cover.

seaglass

(8,171 posts)
40. Well as far as I know it did start with LPGAers speaking out about the cover. Do you consider
Mon Apr 7, 2014, 01:15 PM
Apr 2014

speaking out to be outrage? Golf has a long history of disrespecting those who are not while male.

Both of my parents were golfers. I remember when I was growing up especially how shitty women golfers were treated because my mom was on the board for her golf club and I remember the rules restricting women and her battles with her club and other clubs.

And of course most people know the history of people being excluded from golf clubs based on race and religion.





hlthe2b

(102,058 posts)
14. You would if you read any number of other news sources on the web.
Mon Apr 7, 2014, 12:14 PM
Apr 2014

Seems some who deny the blatant sexism that is frequently pervasive in this country don't want examples pointed out.

seaglass

(8,171 posts)
19. We probably fit into upaloopa's category of men haters who think old white men are the cause
Mon Apr 7, 2014, 12:25 PM
Apr 2014

of all the world's problems - so there probably won't be a response.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4781305

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
26. I thought no one read my posts.
Mon Apr 7, 2014, 12:41 PM
Apr 2014

Men haters are obvious. They usually start threads not respond to them. So no you don't fall into my list of men haters.

seaglass

(8,171 posts)
37. Why would you think no one reads your posts? I don't know any men haters so I can't say they
Mon Apr 7, 2014, 12:59 PM
Apr 2014

are obvious to me. In any case I remembered what you said in the ignore thread because I thought it was mean and odd and it made me think that you have issues with women.

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
39. No I don't have issues with women.
Mon Apr 7, 2014, 01:11 PM
Apr 2014

I've had many meaningful relationships with women in my 68 years. I've been married for 28 years we met 30 years age.
You and your opinion do not represent "women". That is where I see you have a problem.

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
30. I said agenda you added the rest
Mon Apr 7, 2014, 12:47 PM
Apr 2014

I think you look for things to get upset about.
In your world there is your opinion and everyone else is the enemy.

hlthe2b

(102,058 posts)
31. From the post of yours that another posted upstream, many would see your comment as projection.
Mon Apr 7, 2014, 12:48 PM
Apr 2014

Very obvious projection...

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
35. So what is it that makes what you say so
Mon Apr 7, 2014, 12:55 PM
Apr 2014

meaningful?
You don't know a thing about me.
Like I said you go looking for your enemies. I fit the bill. Yea for me.
See you feel you are morally superior to me because of the opinion you hold. In the world and universe and in my life that doesn't count for squat.

hlthe2b

(102,058 posts)
41. More projection. It is YOUR post that accused
Mon Apr 7, 2014, 01:18 PM
Apr 2014

women of DU advocating for equality and respect as "hating men". YOUR POST-- YOUR OWN WORDS, as linked upstream.

So, please, show even more projection of your feelings. We all await.

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
42. You just made all that up in your mind.
Mon Apr 7, 2014, 01:26 PM
Apr 2014

You do not speek for all women. You speak for you!
You need me to be what you think I am. You need an enemy.
That's why I put them on ignore. People who come to this board with their preset agenda and start pissing contests deserve to be ignored!

hlthe2b

(102,058 posts)
43. Once again and here is the link previously provided of YOUR OWN WORDS
Mon Apr 7, 2014, 01:28 PM
Apr 2014

So as much as you wish to project your own antagonism on others, these are YOUR OWN words for all to see:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4781305

OWN THEM.

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
45. Man you really need everyone here to see me as you do.
Mon Apr 7, 2014, 01:34 PM
Apr 2014

I am not that important. You make me into what you want that's fine by me. I am not hurt or feel abused of anything. Your opinion of me is just that, your opinion. Baed on your interpretation of what I post. On edit: if someone wants to come here with an agenda and do OP after OP about it I will ignore it. That in my opinion is not what this board is for. I think it is abusing the other people here to bring your agenda and selfishly go on and on about it.
I come here to learn from people wiser than me not to take part in the kind of thing we are doing here.

hlthe2b

(102,058 posts)
47. Can't stand by your own words by which others will judge you?
Mon Apr 7, 2014, 01:36 PM
Apr 2014

Hmmm. It is not me who made you accuse DU women of "hating men"... Your own words did so.

 

oldhippie

(3,249 posts)
50. And absolutely nowhere in that post does he do what you said ....
Mon Apr 7, 2014, 01:47 PM
Apr 2014
"... accused women of DU advocating for equality and respect as "hating men".


Nope, he didn't. You made that up. It's plain for all to see. You are just looking for a fight.

hlthe2b

(102,058 posts)
51. He most certainly did accuse some Du women of "hating men" You are being disingenuous
Mon Apr 7, 2014, 01:48 PM
Apr 2014

The words are there for you and all to see (as linked previously):

"I have all the men haters, and old white men are the problem folks on ignore".
.

The Straight Story

(48,121 posts)
65. They must interest you some, you brought up the topic via a previous post
Mon Apr 7, 2014, 02:16 PM
Apr 2014

Do you feel the same way the poster does that 'some' people here don't like some others based on gender? If you weren't interested why make a point of pointing out someone else on that issue?

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
66. Why do you need this to go on and on?
Mon Apr 7, 2014, 02:30 PM
Apr 2014

We don't know each other. We aren't friends or really enemies.
What about this is so important?
Here is what I think.
I don't know any men who hate women as a whole. I do know that many men mistreat women. It makes me feel bad when I see it because I am of the same gender as they are. I think those guys are immature and don't have a very well developed set of social skills.
I've seen the hurt in women's eyes when they have been disrespected. That also makes me feel sad. I am not a saint in this respect but I do pride myself in trying to see women as they would want me to. I don't want to be someone who hurt them or made their life more uncomfortable than it should be.
My wife is very independent and I am glad for it. We don't try to manipulate each other or tell each other what to think or how to act.
My mother-in-law was very active in NOW and my sister-in-law is gay. I have good relationships with the women I know.
Before I was married I had a number good romantic relationships. Most of the time it was the woman who approached me first.
So I am happy with myself and my opinion and my respect for women.
What is said on this board about me is not really relevant to me because I know who I am.

 

oldhippie

(3,249 posts)
55. Moving the goalposts again, are we?
Mon Apr 7, 2014, 01:58 PM
Apr 2014

"... some DU women ..." is a lot different than " ...accused [all] women of DU advocating for equality and respect ...".

At least it was when I learned English. The use of the term *women* implies ALL, unless further qualified. That is different than *some*.

I also know many here don't care about the proper use of the language. They wish to warp the language to make things up and continue to fight.






upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
56. Those were sure not the best choice of words by me.
Mon Apr 7, 2014, 01:58 PM
Apr 2014

I should have been more descriptive as I did in another post here.
There are people who come to this board. They have a personal agenda. They use this board to sound off in an OP and look for an adversary. They know from past OPs that they've done, what the result will be. I call them pissing contests. I got tired of these kinds of OPs and when I see one I put the person on ignore. That way they don't show up for me.
That doesn't make me anything. Not an abuser of women or someone who oppresses minorities with my privileges or an angry old white man.

hlthe2b

(102,058 posts)
29. Yeah... (and undoubtedly the less model-like appearance, the more they appear) n/t
Mon Apr 7, 2014, 12:46 PM
Apr 2014

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Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
62. Her breasts, apparently.
Mon Apr 7, 2014, 02:09 PM
Apr 2014

She can't possibly be a real golfer with nice breasts. She's promulgating sexism and probably caused our crops to fail.

kcr

(15,313 posts)
87. You are aware she's not a golfer?
Mon Apr 7, 2014, 06:08 PM
Apr 2014

It might explain your posts, although I suspect it wouldn't matter.

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
89. "You are aware she's not a golfer?"
Mon Apr 7, 2014, 06:17 PM
Apr 2014

And the commissioner of the Ladies Pro Golf Association isn't a lady. If the LPGA can decide to have a non-lady as its commissioner then why can't the golf magazine have a non-golfer on its cover?

kcr

(15,313 posts)
93. What does the LPGA have to do with it? Are they affiliated with the magazine?
Mon Apr 7, 2014, 08:16 PM
Apr 2014

Why can't golf magazine half a non-golfer on its cover? No reason. Why can't they feature more women golfers?

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
97. The LPGA figures prominently in the article cited in the OP.
Mon Apr 7, 2014, 08:23 PM
Apr 2014
Why can't they feature more women golfers?


So tell them what you want to see or cancel your subscription.

kcr

(15,313 posts)
100. They still don't have anything to do with who is featured on the cover of a magazine.
Mon Apr 7, 2014, 08:43 PM
Apr 2014

There's no affiliation. You seem to think it does, which is why I asked.

kcr

(15,313 posts)
101. So?
Mon Apr 7, 2014, 08:45 PM
Apr 2014

There's no affiliation. What does any of that have to do with who is featured on Golf Magazine? There are women Pro golfers, correct? Is there a good reason Golf chooses not to regularly feature them? What does LGPA have to do with it?

 

woolldog

(8,791 posts)
111. Women's golf just isn't close to as popular as men's golf....
Mon Apr 7, 2014, 11:33 PM
Apr 2014

which is probably why LPGA players hardly ever make the cover. Women golf stars dont drive increased traffic, eyeballs, and revenue

kcr

(15,313 posts)
114. That tired explanation
Mon Apr 7, 2014, 11:44 PM
Apr 2014

is the same one that has always used to explain discrimination. No one cares or wants to see *insert minority here* There is no demand for that! No demand for women's sports, so no need to promote it. That is certainly some circular logic there. It's certainly a lame excuse to replace athletic women with models instead.

 

woolldog

(8,791 posts)
115. There's a demand for some women's sports....
Mon Apr 7, 2014, 11:49 PM
Apr 2014

just not women's golf. Doesn't matter how much it's promoted, it's not going to be as interesting as the men's game. And frankly the men's game isn't all that interesting either.

kcr

(15,313 posts)
119. There just isn't that much demand for golf as a sports event, period.
Tue Apr 8, 2014, 12:24 AM
Apr 2014

It isn't as if there's this huge deficit in interest between the two (ETA spectator sport, that's the word I was trying to think of). Golf isn't about watching it on TV, going to the games, and rooting for the team. Golf is 99% participation as far as interest is concerned. And plenty of women participate.

 

woolldog

(8,791 posts)
121. I thought the question/issue was why don't we see LPGA golfers on the cover?
Tue Apr 8, 2014, 02:06 AM
Apr 2014

The reason is that no one cares about women's pro golf. It's pretty simple.

maddezmom

(135,060 posts)
113. Of course it isn't just a for men, I play myself.
Mon Apr 7, 2014, 11:42 PM
Apr 2014

But the circulation of golf Digest is 80% men is all I was saying. They aren't marketing to middle aged females they are marketing to middle aged men, hence the cover.

kcr

(15,313 posts)
116. Well, that would be my whole point.
Mon Apr 7, 2014, 11:54 PM
Apr 2014

Golf isn't just a sport for men despite this magazine's focus. I don't play regularly, but the few times I have I noticed plenty of women who do and I know quite a few that play.

Personally I think the other responses in this thread just want to apologize for an outdated view of women in sports. I think it's likely Golf magazine is struggling and maybe even dying. This is their pathetic, cheesy attempt at survival. Most magazines are struggling now.

maddezmom

(135,060 posts)
118. Not sure if it is struggling but I do know it is the #1 golf magazine
Tue Apr 8, 2014, 12:02 AM
Apr 2014

I am not apologizing for anything, just speaking to facts as I know them. I grew up in a golfing family, my dad was on the board of our CC and my mom is a full member in her own right after many years of working the system. I get the golfing community and a lot of it isn't pleasant. There is discrimination based on sex, race and loads of other things depending on the club.

riqster

(13,986 posts)
10. It says that golf is no more (or less)sexist than the rest of the sporting world.
Mon Apr 7, 2014, 11:58 AM
Apr 2014

Which is pretty damned sexist.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
15. Not bad for golf. But could well be bad for Golf Digest.
Mon Apr 7, 2014, 12:16 PM
Apr 2014

If they want to be treated as a serious golf magazine, that is.

MineralMan

(146,241 posts)
33. Golf Digest's Goal is to Sell Stuff.
Mon Apr 7, 2014, 12:53 PM
Apr 2014

That's why it's in business. The bulk of its readers are men, so they pander to men with things like this cover illustration.

Is it sexist? Of course it is. Is it misogynistic? That, too.

Why is anyone surprised at this? A magazine targeting male golfers puts a photo of a "sexy" woman on its cover. Of course it's bogus and offensive. There are many women who are highly successful professional golfers and who could, no doubt, provide useful tips to the readers of this magazine. That the magazine used a photo of a skinny woman in lycra is just one more indication of the devaluation of women in professional sports.

Color me unsurprised.

 

AngryAmish

(25,704 posts)
34. A year ago they had Holly Sonders on the cover
Mon Apr 7, 2014, 12:54 PM
Apr 2014


Holly Sonders is more qualified than Ms. Great One (college golfer, host of "Morning Drive" on golf channel) but this is an exercise issue and clearly they are going for some swimsuit issue eyeballs.

(BTW,Holly Sonders is very nice. She mc s for a charity tournament I'm involved in every year and she does it for free. And having her does get a lot of dudes to pay $1,000 for a round of golf and some rubber chicken.)

jmowreader

(50,520 posts)
67. You'd be shocked at the circulation figures for this magazine
Mon Apr 7, 2014, 02:31 PM
Apr 2014
http://www.golfdigest.com/magazine/international

US circulation: 1.75 million copies per month

Total international circulation: 1.65 million copies per month
 

Tom Ripley

(4,945 posts)
70. Paulina Gretzky tweets anti-Obama photo
Mon Apr 7, 2014, 03:42 PM
Apr 2014
https://ca.celebrity.yahoo.com/blogs/north-stars/paulina-gretzky-tweets-anti-obama-photo-154951985.html

Paulina Gretzky/Instagram

Paulina Gretzky thinks voting is "sexy" -- as long as you didn't vote for Obama.

In the wake of the U.S. president's re-election on Tuesday night, the 23-year-old daughter of Wayne Gretzky posted a photo of herself flashing the bird at a puppet version of Barack Obama.

"Ya I Went There," the caption read.

The image has since been deleted. Gretzky's last tweet is now a photo of her baby cousin and the message, "Even my little cousin Ford knows what's up 'voting is sexy!' GO VOTE!"

See also: Celebrities who voted in the U.S. election (PHOTOS)

Though we didn't know that Gretzky supported Mitt Romney, the Huffington Post notes that, in October, she did watch "2016: Obama's America," which the site describes as an anti-Obama documentary.

"Just watched Obama 2016. Wow, frightening," she tweeted after seeing it.

The blond beauty is known for exposing herself, having just recently tweeted a risqué photo of herself in a barely there Halloween costume.

See also: Michelle Obama's winning style

Though her famous dad has not responded to his daughter's political tweet, Wayne appears to have gotten over her sexy Twitter antics.

"She's 24 years old," he told TMZ last week. "She's a good girl."

What do you think of Paulina Gretzky's anti-Obama photo? Was it an example of free speech in action, or was it out of line?

spanone

(135,765 posts)
64. very few of the LPGA golfers appear on their cover, even when they win majors..hence the controversy
Mon Apr 7, 2014, 02:16 PM
Apr 2014

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BeyondGeography

(39,339 posts)
69. Golf is fading, particularly among young people
Mon Apr 7, 2014, 03:03 PM
Apr 2014

The cover puts golf in the news, gins up sales and is a roundabout way of addressing an actual business problem, imo:

According to the National Golf Foundation, only 14 new courses (in 18-hole equivalents) were built in 2014 in the United States and another 157.5 closed their doors, for a net loss of 143.5 courses. Declining interest of the current magnitude once was nearly inconceivable in a business marked for decades of slow, steady growth. However, last year marked the eighth straight year that more courses closed than opened, a trend that has become so common it now is known around the industry as "market correction."

But the need for a market correction goes much deeper than real estate golf gone wild. It is the result of a complex relationship of supply and demand and how the game is perceived across gender, age and racial lines at a time in which adults in their prime earning years are more willing to devote time on weekends to getting their children to travel league sporting events than their own R&R. And this correction is taking far too long to occur, said Jim Koppenhaver of Pellucid Corp., during the annual state of the industry address he conducts each year with Stuart Lindsay of Edgehill Golf Advisors during the PGA Merchandise Show in Orlando, Fla.

According to NGF statistics cited by Koppenhaver, a total of 3.7 million people took up golf in 2013, however, 4.1 million golfers left the game, for a net loss of 400,000 players. A net gain of almost 260,000 women golfers was offset and more by a net loss of nearly 650,000 men. The biggest losses were in the 18-34 age group, where nearly 200,000 people found something else to do with their spare time and their disposable income.

http://www.turfnet.com/page/news.html/_/construction-play-number-of-golfers-decline-in-2013-r249


Not my kind of publishing, but this is how publishers keep their jobs.

NickB79

(19,214 posts)
75. That's what "looking good" is these days? She needs a sandwich or ten
Mon Apr 7, 2014, 04:14 PM
Apr 2014

What can I say, I'm more of a Serena Williams kind of guy



RiffRandell

(5,909 posts)
94. No kidding!
Mon Apr 7, 2014, 08:20 PM
Apr 2014

WARNING!!! Although I ordered a new bathing suit today and that makes me feel much better.

caraher

(6,278 posts)
117. Are people really fooled by the fake Palin?
Mon Apr 7, 2014, 11:58 PM
Apr 2014

I'm all for setting the record straight... the Palin fake was good for a giggle the first time, but I find it a bit stale now. I do wonder whether people on DU think that was a genuine photo of Palin. I suppose a few might...

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
82. Her pose is intentionally provocative (ass in the air). She/they could have done something way less
Mon Apr 7, 2014, 05:20 PM
Apr 2014

sexual and way more tasteful.

But they didn't.

It can be expected of the magazine editors.

If it were me, I'd do a shot way less overtly sexual. I think it cheapens her golf persona. But she does look great.

Just googling "women golfers" and got "sexiest women golfers" at golf.com and there are a great many photos of women golfers.

Some action, some posed. Some more tame and others way more sexy.

There are some really beautiful photos at the link:


http://www.golf.com/photos/sexiest-women-golfers/belen-mozo-sexiest-women-golfers-0#279403

 

pintobean

(18,101 posts)
103. Jury results
Mon Apr 7, 2014, 08:57 PM
Apr 2014
On Mon Apr 7, 2014, 06:46 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

A pretty girl on a magazine cover?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4792558

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Not that posts mocking feminist issues are rare here (see various examples above) but this one goes the extra mile and refers to the woman pictured as a "girl"

I wonder when the first porn related post will show up. I'm assuming the ones referring to "strokes" don't count.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Mon Apr 7, 2014, 06:59 PM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Silly alert.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Calling young women "girls" is common vernacular. I don't like it, but it's not sexist for an individual to use the term. Not anywhere close to alert-worthy.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I don't agree with the cover. Yet I am sorry, I just don't see this a a hide-able offense.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: You've got to be kidding me. I see men referred to as boys in hof, and when it happens in the big forums, no one says shit. Hof's good buddy use to have a sig line that referred to the Mens Group as the little boys club. Here's a news flash - women refer to other women as girls. Deal with it.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

RiffRandell

(5,909 posts)
104. Looks like the alerter got a break due to an error.
Mon Apr 7, 2014, 09:20 PM
Apr 2014

I hate to be another armchair psychologist since DU has enough already, but could it be the alerter wants a porn related post brought up since they are wondering about it? It's not the medical term, but wishful thinking comes to mind. Odd.

Go Huskies!


 

pintobean

(18,101 posts)
108. Who the hell thinks of porn
Mon Apr 7, 2014, 09:28 PM
Apr 2014

at the mention of a good looking woman on a golf magazine cover? That was just a really weird alert. I can't imagine who the alerter might be.

alp227

(31,994 posts)
109. If not for her dad no one would care about Paulina.
Mon Apr 7, 2014, 09:42 PM
Apr 2014

Print media will pull any stunt for attention. Paulina who never earned any attention single handedly took back women's sports 50+ years with the standard she is following. Not everything is appropriate for sexuality.

zabet

(6,793 posts)
122. This cover has as much to do with golf as
Tue Apr 8, 2014, 06:15 AM
Apr 2014

does the Sports Illustrated swimsuit edition has to do with sports. Both magazines direct their marketing towards men in accordance to the old adage 'sex sells'.
I don't buy or read either one and it says a lot about the mindset of a certain percentage of the purchasers of said magazines. I personally know men who even though they do not read Sports Illustrated on a regular basis, they will indeed buy the swimsuit edition.
Using a woman as a sex object to garner attention and boost sales.

Paulina does not look very happy in the photo on the front of the Golf magazine.

JMHO.....YMMV

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