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Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
Tue Apr 8, 2014, 10:53 AM Apr 2014

Media blacks out Seymour Hersh exposé

Hersh has been unable to get his reports published by major American media outlets. Both of his Syrian exposés appeared in the online edition of the London Review of Books, not in the New Yorker, where he was published for many years, or any daily newspaper.

Since the new article was posted early Sunday morning, there has been total silence in the mainstream US press. The New York Times and Washington Post, the two leading dailies, said nothing. The Times published a long account Monday of fighting in Syria with no mention of Hersh’s report.
The main British dailies have also been silent. The Guardian, in addition to censoring Hersh, published a long account of a self-justifying interview on BBC Radio 4 by the notorious liar and war criminal Tony Blair, the former prime minister, defending the Iraq war and advocating military action in Syria.


The article, written by the newspaper’s chief political correspondent Nicholas Watt, goes so far as to note Blair’s argument that the use of sarin gas at Ghouta was sufficient reason to attack Syria, without referencing Hersh’s exposure of this attack as a provocation, published just 24 hours earlier. The cover-up is conscious and deliberate.


The Turkish media has commented on the Hersh report with a blizzard of vituperation and attempts to defend the Erdogan government. This comes despite the fact that the government recently shut off access to YouTube after someone posted a video of a secret meeting of government officials at which the head of Turkish intelligence discussed staging another provocation inside Syria, such as an attack on a mosque, to provide a pretext for military intervention.


The left-liberal magazine Nation commented briefly on Hersh’s first article on the Ghouta attack last December. The article by Greg Mitchell took a noncommittal position, declaring, “Hersh’s edgy investigative reporting is usually proven right, of course, but in recent years, one must admit, sometimes wrong. For myself, I’ve never claimed a belief that rebels, not the Assad forces, launched the attacks …” The Nation has not commented on the latest Hersh report.


http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2014/04/08/hrsh-a08.html


I did post the original expose last Sunday on DU in Good Reads.

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Media blacks out Seymour Hersh exposé (Original Post) Ichingcarpenter Apr 2014 OP
Bloomberg has an article today disputing Hersh's claims. TwilightGardener Apr 2014 #1
Bloomberg is the go to guy Ichingcarpenter Apr 2014 #4
It took a long time for Snowden's revelations to be taken seriously, too, though. KoKo Apr 2014 #15
I've never known him to report something Aerows Apr 2014 #16
They know he is right but since when has the truth meant a damned thing malaise Apr 2014 #19
That is what pisses me off more than anything Aerows Apr 2014 #20
WARriors reddread Apr 2014 #2
wsws.org LOL... SidDithers Apr 2014 #3
WSWS is generally pretty solid on the facts starroute Apr 2014 #6
No--they really suck at the facts, and I would routinely smack Hannah Bell's OPs around when msanthrope Apr 2014 #11
I don't see a problem with the article she posted there cprise Apr 2014 #26
London Review of Books : The Red Line and the Rat Line Rumold Apr 2014 #24
Didn't they used to ban people for posting from this site? Dr Hobbitstein Apr 2014 #5
No--we just used to make merciless fun of them, until Hannah Bell was banned for her North Korea msanthrope Apr 2014 #12
Can't let him spoil the narrative. zeemike Apr 2014 #7
Gee I wonder why. iandhr Apr 2014 #8
We've seen legitimate questioning in investigative reporting ignored KoKo Apr 2014 #9
Here's the only support article I've seen: KoKo Apr 2014 #10
The only possible use for the NYT or WashPo...... DeSwiss Apr 2014 #13
Occasionally Though...they do a Blockbuster...that lulls us back...it's how it works KoKo Apr 2014 #17
K & R !!! WillyT Apr 2014 #14
A controlled media environment is a sign of tyranny. Octafish Apr 2014 #18
The very people that turn a blind eye to it Aerows Apr 2014 #22
Short term and long. Octafish Apr 2014 #25
Must not let the electorate Aerows Apr 2014 #21
They're showing their asses autorank Apr 2014 #23

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
15. It took a long time for Snowden's revelations to be taken seriously, too, though.
Tue Apr 8, 2014, 03:31 PM
Apr 2014

And, there are still some who are convinced he's a spy for Russia or that what he revealed was old news. So...as with most of Sy's work we will find out he was correct sometime in the future.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
16. I've never known him to report something
Tue Apr 8, 2014, 03:51 PM
Apr 2014

without a battalion of facts to back it up. And yep, we will find out he was right. The PTB just want to put that off as long as possible.

malaise

(268,693 posts)
19. They know he is right but since when has the truth meant a damned thing
Tue Apr 8, 2014, 09:58 PM
Apr 2014

to neo-cons and war criminals

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
20. That is what pisses me off more than anything
Tue Apr 8, 2014, 10:01 PM
Apr 2014

They KNOW they are supporting war criminals and helping them to evade justice, and ultimately, for what?

Tacitly supporting crime is morally reprehensible no matter how you slice it.

starroute

(12,977 posts)
6. WSWS is generally pretty solid on the facts
Tue Apr 8, 2014, 01:12 PM
Apr 2014

They do often feel obliged to toss in a bit of Trotskyite rhetoric in the closing paragraphs, but I've never felt that it interfered with their straight reporting.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
11. No--they really suck at the facts, and I would routinely smack Hannah Bell's OPs around when
Tue Apr 8, 2014, 01:46 PM
Apr 2014

she posted her articles from wsws--because they were just loony.

Here, Hannah explains how Detroit is being burnt down so that yuppie urban farms can take over--information she got from WSWS....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x9172149

I miss her....

cprise

(8,445 posts)
26. I don't see a problem with the article she posted there
Wed Apr 9, 2014, 03:35 AM
Apr 2014

And, frankly, I don't care if HB herself is given to wild speculation.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
12. No--we just used to make merciless fun of them, until Hannah Bell was banned for her North Korea
Tue Apr 8, 2014, 01:52 PM
Apr 2014

apologia.

I say we revert to tradition.

iandhr

(6,852 posts)
8. Gee I wonder why.
Tue Apr 8, 2014, 01:31 PM
Apr 2014

He claims to have "anonymous" sources every time he has a "scoop." He made a claim the bin Laden raid was a hoax. And we wonder why no one takes him seriously anymore?

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
9. We've seen legitimate questioning in investigative reporting ignored
Tue Apr 8, 2014, 01:37 PM
Apr 2014

before. At at our peril. Anyone here on DU since the Stolen Election has seen it.

The silence on the Left is disturbing. But, then...we've seen that before, also. One would think that if Sy's reporting can be ripped to shreds then some would have taken the effort to refute it in a logical point by point manner.

Who would believe Tony Blair. Totting him out when the man has no credibility. The Guardian was threatened over the Snowden revelations by having their computer hard drives smashed. That could lead to a sense of intimidation by the newspaper, but Tony Blair.

Robert Parry from "Corsortium News" had a good follow up piece on Hersh's article but, I haven't found anything else. It would be interesting to know if Fox News or the RW sites had any mention of it, though.

Thanks for the follow up...

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
10. Here's the only support article I've seen:
Tue Apr 8, 2014, 01:42 PM
Apr 2014

I posted his article yesterday here in the "PMRG:"

"Was Turkey Behind Syrian Sarin Attack?" Robert Parry Reports on Sy Hersh's New Revelations[

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1269902

 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
13. The only possible use for the NYT or WashPo......
Tue Apr 8, 2014, 02:04 PM
Apr 2014

...is for lining bird cages and training a new puppy.

- Because there's nothing but shit in it either way you go......

K&R

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
17. Occasionally Though...they do a Blockbuster...that lulls us back...it's how it works
Tue Apr 8, 2014, 08:43 PM
Apr 2014

these days.

But, agree, most is MSM/PNAC/NeoCon/NeoLib Crap! Since the Iraq Invasion and before...they report what their MASTER INSIDERS tell the to report. The "Real News" that slips through is just to give them a "whiff of legitimacy" for the Partisans.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
22. The very people that turn a blind eye to it
Tue Apr 8, 2014, 10:07 PM
Apr 2014

are going to be the ones that get punished the hardest, I think.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
25. Short term and long.
Tue Apr 8, 2014, 11:58 PM
Apr 2014

Science says they can't help themselves.

Did you see Frank Carlucci is in the luxury lifeboat castle business?

The Really Creepy People Behind the Libertarian-Inspired Billionaire Sea Castles

The stinking rich are planning billion-dollar luxury liners that keep the land-based Americans they've plundered at a safe distance.

AlterNet / By Mark Ames
June 1, 2010

What happens when Americans plunder America and leave it broken, destitute and seething mad? Where do these fabulously wealthy Americans go with their loot, if America isn't a safe, secure, or even desirable place to spend their riches? What if they lose faith in their gated communities, because those plush gated communities are surrounded by millions of pissed-off Americans stripped of their entitlements, and who now want in?

The first such floating castle has been christened the " Utopia"--the South Korean firm Samsung has been contracted to build the $1.1 billion ship, due to be launched in 2013. Already orders are coming in to buy one of the Utopia's 200 or so mansions for sale- -which range in price from about $4 million for the smallest condos to over $26 million for 6,600 square-foot "estates." The largest mansion is a whopping 40,000 square feet, and sells for $160 million.

SNIP...

Both Thiel and Milton Friedman's grandson see democracy as the enemy--last year, Thiel wrote "I no longer believe that freedom and democracy are compatible" at about the same time that Milton Friedman's grandson proclaimed, "Democracy is not the answer." Both published their anti-democracy proclamations in the same billionaire-Koch-family-funded outlet, Cato Unbound, one of the oldest billionaire-fed libertarian welfare dispensaries. Friedman's answer for Thiel's democracy problem is to build offshore libertarian pod-fortresses where the libertarian way rules. It's probably better for everyone if Milton Friedman's grandson and Peter Thiel leave us forever for their libertarian ocean lair--Thiel believes that America went down the tubes ever since it gave women the right to vote, and he was outed as the sponsor of accused felon James O'Keefe's smear videos that brought ACORN to ruin.

SNIP...

While neither Bush nor the Bin Ladens are principals in the Frontier Group, its founding director, Frank Carlucci, is a name they know well, and you should too. Carlucci ran the Carlyle Group as its chairman from 1989 through 2005, right around the time that the wars started going undeniably bad, and floating castles started to look like a viable plan. But Carlucci's past is much weirder and scarier than most of us care to know: whether it's his strangely timed appearances in some of the ugliest assassinations and coups in modern history, or serving as Carter's number two man in the CIA, and Ronald Reagan's Secretary of Defense, if Frank Carlucci (nicknamed "Creepy Carlucci" and "Spooky Frank&quot is the founding director of a firm that's building floating castles, it's a bad sign for those of us left behind.

I'll get into Carlucci's partners in the Frontier Group in a moment, but first, let's reacquaint ourselves with Frank Carlucci. From an early age, Carlucci learned the importance of getting to know the right people in the right places. He studied at Princeton in the mid-1950s, where as luck should have it, Carlucci roomed with Donald Rumsfeld. Both Carlucci and Rumsfeld shared a passion for Greco-Roman wrestling at Princeton, and both went on to serve in the Navy after Princeton. Their paths would split and merge several times over the next few decades, even as they remained close personal friends throughout their lives. In the late 1950s, Carlucci briefly served as an executive at a lingerie manufacturer, Jantzen (the Victoria's Secret of its day), but quickly left to join the State Department.

CONTINUED...

http://www.alternet.org/story/147058/the_really_creepy_people_behind_the_libertarian-inspired_billionaire_sea_castles

Wonder what's in store for those of us who can't afford steerage.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
21. Must not let the electorate
Tue Apr 8, 2014, 10:05 PM
Apr 2014

figure out how much corruption, incompetence and dirty deals are being done.

I'll look at pictures of dogs, cats and horses and wish I was as honorable as they are, for surely, supposedly human beings are anything but humane.

autorank

(29,456 posts)
23. They're showing their asses
Tue Apr 8, 2014, 10:10 PM
Apr 2014

Seriiously. What's the Nation's excuse?

Excellentl article by WWSW. They're on target.

In Turkey, PM Erdogan outright bans Twitter, YouTube, and relentlessly bullies the press, to great effect.

Here, the mega elite that run things don't need to shute anything down. It tame, compliant, and insincere.

There needs to be an accounting, soon.

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