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MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)
Tue Apr 8, 2014, 11:14 AM Apr 2014

Oscar Pistorius' story doesn't make sense,

and his bizarre emotional outbursts just seem manipulative and phony to me. If, as he said, he was so worried about the welfare of Reeva, why didn't he reach across the bed to check on her? When he noticed the bathroom door was locked from the inside, hardly normal behavior for a violent intruder, why did he break it down and start shooting? He claims he was trained as a child to be a tough guy, but his whiny, whimpering behavior on the stand belies that account. I think he IS upset, but probably because he's been caught. Hope the judge throws the book at him.

Oh, and neighbors heard them arguing that night. Reeva was indicating that she wanted to end the relationship. Hmmm

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Oscar Pistorius' story doesn't make sense, (Original Post) MoonRiver Apr 2014 OP
His defense is starting right off with the overwrought emotional plea kcr Apr 2014 #1
Much like George Zimmerman and Michael Dunn. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2014 #2
His only defense gvstn Apr 2014 #3
In this case only a judge will decide. MoonRiver Apr 2014 #6
I agree with your assessment. laundry_queen Apr 2014 #4
Yes, that was the case with Arias. MoonRiver Apr 2014 #7
Arias changed her story multiple times BainsBane Apr 2014 #15
To me he comes across as extremely emotionally volatile and unstable. MoonRiver Apr 2014 #19
Guilty.. butterfly77 Apr 2014 #30
His lying is revealed by one thing: He keeps using the verb "screamed" for himself, as opposed to WinkyDink Apr 2014 #5
Where do you watch coverage of the trial? BainsBane Apr 2014 #20
There's a link for livestream down thread.n /t MoonRiver Apr 2014 #21
I'll be glad when they finally find the plane Aerows Apr 2014 #24
the phoney blubbering riverwalker Apr 2014 #8
Another angry gun nut. Lex Apr 2014 #9
That's what I think. MoonRiver Apr 2014 #10
I was going to post a warning against turning on the 24-hrs cable shows because he's wailing on all UTUSN Apr 2014 #11
It didn't make sense from the beginning. phylny Apr 2014 #12
Go with the feeling. lapislzi Apr 2014 #13
I really hopes she gets justice. MoonRiver Apr 2014 #14
cuz it's a lie Liberal_in_LA Apr 2014 #16
Livestream: WinkyDink Apr 2014 #17
South Africa doesn't have jury trials Ron Obvious Apr 2014 #18
He cries as much as he lies malaise Apr 2014 #22
I think it's more likely to happen under a judge, MoonRiver Apr 2014 #23
From the testimony of the text exchanges, Reeva was at times afraid of him... ChisolmTrailDem Apr 2014 #25
I know why he keeps saying "My Lady," but it's very weird in reply to the male Prosecutor. WinkyDink Apr 2014 #26
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2014 #27
Well yes.. sendero Apr 2014 #29
I think he's a murderer madokie Apr 2014 #28
Of course it doesn't BootinUp Apr 2014 #31
He reminds me of Lance Armstrong. undeterred Apr 2014 #32
Yup. moondust Apr 2014 #33

kcr

(15,315 posts)
1. His defense is starting right off with the overwrought emotional plea
Tue Apr 8, 2014, 11:19 AM
Apr 2014

of how sorry he is and how it's tearing him apart, rather than getting right to the facts. There is so much plea to emotion in it that I to me it looks like it's meant to distract from how strong the case is against him. They even prayed together! In the beginning I thought he would get away with it but now I'm not so sure. Unless this judge firmly had her mind made up to acquit him from the beginning, I think he's in trouble.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,173 posts)
2. Much like George Zimmerman and Michael Dunn.
Tue Apr 8, 2014, 11:24 AM
Apr 2014

Basically, "I'm sorry I killed the victim, but I was totally justified in doing what I did."

Of course, in that type of situation--where the defendant's participation in the shooting is not in doubt--that's pretty much the standard line of any defense.

gvstn

(2,805 posts)
3. His only defense
Tue Apr 8, 2014, 11:29 AM
Apr 2014

to explain his bizarre reaction is that he was afraid in a way that most people can't understand because they don't have his disabilities which make him feel extremely vulnerable. I think all the tears and emotion are part of bolstering that argument. Prior to being accused of murder he played the tough jock but now he wants us to believe he is vulnerable and fearful all the time.

A jury might buy it but because S.A. only has the judge deciding, I think he is in trouble.

laundry_queen

(8,646 posts)
4. I agree with your assessment.
Tue Apr 8, 2014, 11:29 AM
Apr 2014

At first, I wondered if his breakdowns were because he really was sorry (some abusers, even though they are sick, believe they really love their targets) but now it's just getting to be too much - like theatre. I wish I could see his face, because when you are really upset, tears just fall but when it's a put on, not very many tears are squeezed out. That's what I've noticed with narcissists anyway. It's been a never-fail tell every time I see it.

MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)
7. Yes, that was the case with Arias.
Tue Apr 8, 2014, 11:42 AM
Apr 2014

She was constantly heaving and supposedly sobbing, but nary a tear was ever seen.

BainsBane

(53,031 posts)
15. Arias changed her story multiple times
Tue Apr 8, 2014, 03:19 PM
Apr 2014

Pistorias hasn't. He's been consistent. I haven't watched the trial, but from the news coverage I've seen, his grief has always seemed genuine. Now as to what precisely happened that night, I don't know.

MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)
19. To me he comes across as extremely emotionally volatile and unstable.
Wed Apr 9, 2014, 09:52 AM
Apr 2014

That's a dangerous type of personality, especially when handed a gun.

 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
5. His lying is revealed by one thing: He keeps using the verb "screamed" for himself, as opposed to
Tue Apr 8, 2014, 11:31 AM
Apr 2014

"shouted." This, to explain Reeva's actual screaming (and hiding, cowering, and dying).

(A commenter on the DM site said this, and ITA.)

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
24. I'll be glad when they finally find the plane
Wed Apr 9, 2014, 10:48 AM
Apr 2014

To help the families of the victims get closure, and so cable news can finally talk about something else.

Lex

(34,108 posts)
9. Another angry gun nut.
Tue Apr 8, 2014, 12:01 PM
Apr 2014

And he bullied his girlfriend until he finally lost it completely and shot her. Then made up a pathetic story about it.

UTUSN

(70,683 posts)
11. I was going to post a warning against turning on the 24-hrs cable shows because he's wailing on all
Tue Apr 8, 2014, 12:57 PM
Apr 2014

of them, but it wasn't worth my opening a thread for that.

phylny

(8,379 posts)
12. It didn't make sense from the beginning.
Tue Apr 8, 2014, 01:24 PM
Apr 2014

Most people with a gun, no matter how paranoid, should feel protected enough to call out the name of your loved one and knock before shooting up the bathroom behind a closed door, even if you didn't "check the bed" next to you.

lapislzi

(5,762 posts)
13. Go with the feeling.
Tue Apr 8, 2014, 01:34 PM
Apr 2014

Crocodile tears if ever I saw any. The only time a narcissist feels sorry is when he gets caught. And then only for the getting caught part.

Justice for Reeva

MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)
14. I really hopes she gets justice.
Tue Apr 8, 2014, 03:15 PM
Apr 2014

Problem is celebs tend to get a pass, at least in this country. Hope the SA judge does the right thing.

 

Ron Obvious

(6,261 posts)
18. South Africa doesn't have jury trials
Wed Apr 9, 2014, 09:22 AM
Apr 2014

And I can't imagine the emotional pleas will carry much weight with the judge.

I haven't followed this case very closely, but I understand he fired through a closed bathroom door. Even if he legitimately believed he was confronting an intruder (and I don't discount the possibility), he can't get away from the fact that he wasn't in immediate danger and is at, at the very least, guilty of manslaughter or negligent homicide.

malaise

(268,930 posts)
22. He cries as much as he lies
Wed Apr 9, 2014, 10:36 AM
Apr 2014

He's going down for a long long time. He's an awful human being -he is arrogant, confrontational, believes he is entitled to make up stuff as he goes along. I was watching live on BBC this morning and the prosecutor was tearing hi a new one but in his little mind the pisser though he was going head to head with him.

Oscar is going to prison hopefully for the rest of his life.

 

ChisolmTrailDem

(9,463 posts)
25. From the testimony of the text exchanges, Reeva was at times afraid of him...
Wed Apr 9, 2014, 10:51 AM
Apr 2014

He obviously has anger issues and I think he IS upset, not just because of what has happened after he killed Reeva but also because his anger this time cost not only Reeva's life but now his own.

Anger can be very powerful and can crescendo into a violent nightmare fairly quickly.

They were most likely fighting just before she ran into the bathroom and locked the door and by doing that he was pushed over the edge and started blasting the door.

Often for someone with anger issues, the anger is most intense in the moment but when the anger subsides one can be quite cool, calm, and reflective. And remorseful.

Response to MoonRiver (Original post)

sendero

(28,552 posts)
29. Well yes..
Thu Apr 10, 2014, 08:20 AM
Apr 2014

... when I am sleeping with a woman in the same bed and I hear something in the bathroom, the conclusion I jump to and any normal person would jump to is that she got up to pee.

And it would take less time to verify that she is in the bed still than to get a gun.

I don't believe a fucking word this guy says because IT MAKES NO SENSE WHATSOEVER.

The fact that neighbors heard them arguing loudly before the incident doesn't help either.

madokie

(51,076 posts)
28. I think he's a murderer
Thu Apr 10, 2014, 07:52 AM
Apr 2014

and should spend the rest of his miserable life locked up doing hard labor
That's what I think

BootinUp

(47,141 posts)
31. Of course it doesn't
Thu Apr 10, 2014, 11:31 PM
Apr 2014

The guy has serious emotional issues and he is a danger to others if not himself.

moondust

(19,972 posts)
33. Yup.
Fri Apr 11, 2014, 01:32 AM
Apr 2014

It would take an awful lot of paranoia and trigger happiness to blindly unload on somebody or something heard behind a closed door without asking for some explanation or ID. Wouldn't somebody that paranoid have a dozen locks and deadbolts on all their exterior doors just so they could sleep at night?

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