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babylonsister

(171,056 posts)
Tue Apr 8, 2014, 05:32 PM Apr 2014

"...you will never guess what the North Carolina Environmental Management Commission did."

http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/north-carolina-appeals-coal-ash-ruling-040814

North Carolina's Coal Ash Problem

By Charles P. Pierce on April 8, 2014


AP Photo/Gerry Broome

Amy Adams, North Carolina campaign coordinator with Appalachian Voices, shows her hand covered with wet coal ash from the Dan River.


There's a lot of very weird stuff going on in the newly insane state of North Carolina. The state has a problem with coal ash, and with its groundwater, and with the reluctance of Duke Energy to clean up, among other things, the 39,000 fking pounds of the gunk that it spilled into the Dan River in February. The state's Environmental Management Commission decided that Duke Energy needed a "reasonable amount of time" to correct the groundwater violations. (As should be obvious, you could sail a coal barge through that adjective there.) A Superior Court judge said to hell with that noise and reversed the commission's findings, demanding that the clean-up begin immediately.

And you will never guess what the North Carolina Environmental Management Commission did.

No, really, you will never guess.

Give up?

They appealed the judge's ruling.

Told you that you wouldn't believe it.

D.J. Gerken, a lawyer with the Southern Environmental Law Center, said the state is giving away its authority to force Duke to act by appealing Ridgeway's ruling. "If the state is serious about enforcing the law, why in the world would the state ask the (N.C.) Court of Appeals to limit that authority?" he said.


In other words, the state's environmental management board is going to court essentially on behalf of Duke Energy. I wonder how that possibly could have happened.

North Carolina's base appropriations budget, ratified Thursday, fires all current members of the state's environmental rule-making board effective next Wednesday. The move gives Gov. Pat McCrory and the Republican-led legislature, which has targeted environmental regulation as a drag on business, a clean slate to remake the powerful Environmental Management Commission. The commission is charged with adopting rules protecting air and water resources.


Meanwhile, the whole state is tying itself up in knots over this coal ash business. There's tons of it laying around in ponds and in obsolete energy facilities. The latest plan seems to be to bury it near the airport in Charlotte -- which is said to be better than storing it in unlined ponds.

"The reality is, it's much better than the way they store it at the power plant," said Hartwell Carson, the French Broad riverkeeper. He and other environmental groups have been monitoring the project to take millions of tons of coal ash from a Duke Energy power plant and use it as a "structural fill" material to grade land in preparation for construction. "I don't have a lot of concerns about it in the short term," Carson said. "Fifty, 100 years from now? I'd say all bets are off."


Your great-grandchildren send their regards.
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"...you will never guess what the North Carolina Environmental Management Commission did." (Original Post) babylonsister Apr 2014 OP
In related news Warpy Apr 2014 #1
+1 (or more) n/t Tansy_Gold Apr 2014 #4
not this person thank you very much and bluemarkers Apr 2014 #6
Voting Republican is like celebrating retardation mindwalker_i Apr 2014 #7
A bit insensitive I believe- I would prefer you used the word stupid, callous, greedy... marew Apr 2014 #22
Blame Art Pope for a lot of it. alarimer Apr 2014 #9
Oh, yeah, good old Art Pope Warpy Apr 2014 #16
Oh, fuck off. ladyVet Apr 2014 #13
Too bad you are not the majority, isn't it? Warpy Apr 2014 #15
Gerrymandering is killing us. Percentage wise Democrats won control of the General Assembly octoberlib Apr 2014 #36
If I lived there (NC) I'd move..... wolfie001 Apr 2014 #24
they're not relying on just stupid to keep them around barbtries Apr 2014 #19
The only Southern State to go for Obama in '08? North Carolina! KoKo Apr 2014 #23
water is now sludge from the coal ash IronLionZion Apr 2014 #33
Maybe that's what it will take to wake the majority up and stop them voting stupidly. Warpy Apr 2014 #35
k&r... spanone Apr 2014 #2
K and R thanks for posting Stuart G Apr 2014 #3
WTF! sheshe2 Apr 2014 #5
K&R!!! Can you say, "Quid Pro Quo" corruption? Dustlawyer Apr 2014 #8
What do you mean, "insane"? Ned Fenwick Apr 2014 #10
+1 ALEC totally owns NC's General Assembly. octoberlib Apr 2014 #37
Now that's bisiness friendly with benefits! nt dougolat Apr 2014 #11
Corporate lack of responsibility & empathy for all life is remarkable, terrible!! hue Apr 2014 #12
welcome to the corporate dystopia n/t RainDog Apr 2014 #14
That's not all they did. GoCubsGo Apr 2014 #17
And the layoffs came nearly two months AFTER the Dan River blowout hatrack Apr 2014 #18
Corporate rule, "It's good for everyone." Enthusiast Apr 2014 #20
Yeah, they appealed being told to do their jobs. malthaussen Apr 2014 #21
If it wasn't for having a lot of relatives and friends in NC MynameisBlarney Apr 2014 #25
Ahhhhhrgh! progressoid Apr 2014 #26
"Your great-grandchildren send their regards." proReality Apr 2014 #27
This should be criminal on more than one level. Martin Eden Apr 2014 #28
Can't the federal government step in here? loudsue Apr 2014 #29
They should have done what MO did and allow the dumps along the river (Missouri) so the problem... rwsanders Apr 2014 #30
Some bank account checkin' needs to get underway. DeSwiss Apr 2014 #31
"Stewardship" november3rd Apr 2014 #32
Clearly the state's environmental mgmt board IS Duke Energy. nt valerief Apr 2014 #34

Warpy

(111,245 posts)
1. In related news
Tue Apr 8, 2014, 05:36 PM
Apr 2014

Water is still wet

Republicans are insanely corrupt

and people in NC are still stupid enough to vote them in.

bluemarkers

(536 posts)
6. not this person thank you very much and
Tue Apr 8, 2014, 06:49 PM
Apr 2014

I do object to the word "still" It was one election in over 100 years. (however) OMG rwnjs are freaking insane, and feel free to use NC as an example what will happen if we as a nation allow them to feed at the trough. Moral Mondays is a very positive movement and may do far more good in NC and other states ... hopefully ... fingers crossed ... please help even though they have seemingly gerrymandered themselves into winning elections, let's hope we can return to our normal progressive selves very soon.

mindwalker_i

(4,407 posts)
7. Voting Republican is like celebrating retardation
Tue Apr 8, 2014, 06:50 PM
Apr 2014

I guess that's why Republicans push religion and try to downplay science. If people were to look around them at how screwed up a place they're living in and comprehend the cause, Republicans wouldn't get elected.

marew

(1,588 posts)
22. A bit insensitive I believe- I would prefer you used the word stupid, callous, greedy...
Wed Apr 9, 2014, 09:39 AM
Apr 2014

During my career I met many mentally challenged individuals who have more kindness, thoughtfulness, and goodness in them than anyone I've heard of in the GOP.

alarimer

(16,245 posts)
9. Blame Art Pope for a lot of it.
Tue Apr 8, 2014, 06:53 PM
Apr 2014

He's a Koch wanna-be, but still influential enough here to get things like this done.

The secretary of my agency doesn't believe in climate change. He also thinks oil is a renewable resource (well, technically, it might be, if you have billions of years).

Warpy

(111,245 posts)
16. Oh, yeah, good old Art Pope
Tue Apr 8, 2014, 08:45 PM
Apr 2014

You're right about him, he's been using his money to do a lot of really bad shit down there with all the Republicans he's bought.

I lived there and I hate to see it happening. By the time the majority wakes the fuck up, there won't be much left to enjoy, including such luxuries like drinking water and land that will grow non poisonous veggies.

ladyVet

(1,587 posts)
13. Oh, fuck off.
Tue Apr 8, 2014, 08:11 PM
Apr 2014

Not all of us vote for these idiots, and you know it. Believe it or not, people in every single goddamn state vote for the wrong people. Ask the voters of Massachusetts what happened after Ted Kennedy died. How about asking the voters of the great liberal bastion of California how many stupid Republicans they've voted for. It's a lot.

I'm going to tell you something you will probably ignore: if the Democratic party spent some time, effort and money in the South, they'd have a lot more votes.

But hey, we're just a bunch of fat, ignorant, toothless rednecks, right? Who needs us? Well, except for every election, it seems like nobody.

Warpy

(111,245 posts)
15. Too bad you are not the majority, isn't it?
Tue Apr 8, 2014, 08:43 PM
Apr 2014

I agree that the DLC has always been dead wrong about where to fight. Sadly, those conservatives didn't learn from Dr Dean's 50 State Strategy. Once he was out, they went back to what didn't work.

And NC, AS A WHOLE, is stupid enough to keep voting Republican.

octoberlib

(14,971 posts)
36. Gerrymandering is killing us. Percentage wise Democrats won control of the General Assembly
Wed Apr 9, 2014, 07:46 PM
Apr 2014

last year but Republicans got more seats. You know it's bad when even the Republicans start showing up at Moral Mondays...... but will they vote against their party? That's the question.

wolfie001

(2,227 posts)
24. If I lived there (NC) I'd move.....
Wed Apr 9, 2014, 11:02 AM
Apr 2014

just on principal alone. The Governor is an ugly troglodyte for kripe's sakes! Just sayin'......

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
23. The only Southern State to go for Obama in '08? North Carolina!
Wed Apr 9, 2014, 10:20 AM
Apr 2014

What happened after that has been written about.

So...don't go trashing the good people of NC who had to deal with Art Pope/Koch Bros./ALEC and a Dem Party that fell apart after '08 due to their own leadership problems who got little to no help after Obama won and Dean's Party Activism and "50 State Strategy" was abandoned. Lots of activists were cut out...and we didn't have the financing or support to be able to beat back what the Popes/Kochs/Alec and RW Tea Partiers had waiting.

I get so angry at the NC bashing.

IronLionZion

(45,427 posts)
33. water is now sludge from the coal ash
Wed Apr 9, 2014, 04:46 PM
Apr 2014

and less wet.

There are all kinds of people in NC, including liberals

Warpy

(111,245 posts)
35. Maybe that's what it will take to wake the majority up and stop them voting stupidly.
Wed Apr 9, 2014, 07:36 PM
Apr 2014

It makes me sick to think of such beautiful country being spoiled by greedheads.

sheshe2

(83,745 posts)
5. WTF!
Tue Apr 8, 2014, 06:17 PM
Apr 2014

The state's environmental management board should be so proud! Let's have another round of applause, for an agency bought and paid for!

Who the hell needs to protect the environment when their is money to be made.

RIP Mother Earth





Thank you, bsis. Depressing as it is. This needs to be said over and over again.

Ned Fenwick

(25 posts)
10. What do you mean, "insane"?
Tue Apr 8, 2014, 06:58 PM
Apr 2014

There's nothing insane about it. They have no choice. This what the lack of campaign reform on various levels has brought us. Lobbyists run the state legislatures, using threats and lots of dirty plutocrat money. These "legislators" are going to do what they're told, or else. And it's going to get lots worse - the end.

hue

(4,949 posts)
12. Corporate lack of responsibility & empathy for all life is remarkable, terrible!!
Tue Apr 8, 2014, 08:04 PM
Apr 2014

North Carolina Environmental Management Commission; bought sold & delivered!!

GoCubsGo

(32,079 posts)
17. That's not all they did.
Tue Apr 8, 2014, 10:08 PM
Apr 2014

The state also gutted the Department of Environment and Natural Resources budget. From what I understand the DENR recently laid off 10% of the Water Division--the ones who monitor the waterways, and who enforce environmental laws. None of this is surprising, considering the Governor is a former Duke Energy bigwig.

MynameisBlarney

(2,979 posts)
25. If it wasn't for having a lot of relatives and friends in NC
Wed Apr 9, 2014, 11:11 AM
Apr 2014

I'd never ever go back.
This is horrible! My heart breaks.

Martin Eden

(12,863 posts)
28. This should be criminal on more than one level.
Wed Apr 9, 2014, 01:38 PM
Apr 2014

And the penalties should go beyond monetary to jail time, for both the polluters and the crooked politicians.

loudsue

(14,087 posts)
29. Can't the federal government step in here?
Wed Apr 9, 2014, 01:53 PM
Apr 2014

This is pure insanity! I'm in North Carolina, and I can tell you, there are already a mess of bad effects from this happening in people's lives.

rwsanders

(2,596 posts)
30. They should have done what MO did and allow the dumps along the river (Missouri) so the problem...
Wed Apr 9, 2014, 02:15 PM
Apr 2014

disappears every time there is high water.

 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
31. Some bank account checkin' needs to get underway.
Wed Apr 9, 2014, 02:58 PM
Apr 2014

Anyone that stupid will no doubt have left a clear trail of breadcrumbs.

- Leading right to their door step.

K&R

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